Lost Discussion Thread

Wow. @_@

Yasamuu wrote:

Wow. @_@

Wow². @_@

YES.  AWESOME episode!  And I was fortunate enough to watch it at my step-mother's house on her 55" HD tv!

So, we saw Faraday in the first episode way back when the Dharma first got there.  With the revelation that he told Charlotte that she'd die on the island, I'm thinking he hasn't gone back in time yet (other than the flashes they're having).  I don't know what that would mean, but it's something.

Also, Claire told Kate not to bring Aaron on the island, and now Jin told Locke not to bring Sun back on the island?  I'm seeing a connection here.

That was crazy awesome stuff. For some reason I keep thinking that Faraday is Jacob, now.

I was a little disappointed with Charlottes death. It feels like we have another libby and to a lesser extent now, Rousseau, on our hands with a wad of interesting but unexplained backstory.

On the subject of Rousseau, I wish we could have stayed with them a little longer because that was cool. Seeing Montand lose his arm and then Rousseau kill her team. Were they really crazy? I have my doubts maybe they all were...One thing that points to the team being driven crazy or taken over by smokie in some way was the fact Robert had no idea what smokie was until the flash and Rousseau had him at gunpoint at which point he said it was a security system for the temple, he either figured that out himself or through other means...

The Christian-Locke scenes were awesome.

Much more awesomeness aswell, it really was a good episode.

Yasamuu wrote:

I was a little disappointed with Charlottes death.

Agreed. (if she is dead) No idea if they were rushed with the episode or something or if she's not actualy dead but her death seemed way way too quick for my liking, just like Jin when he got exploded on the boat. LOST takes its time when people really die, and heck even when they don't. (charlie hanging from the tree anyone?)

odj wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

I was a little disappointed with Charlottes death.

Agreed. (if she is dead) No idea if they were rushed with the episode or something or if she's not actualy dead but her death seemed way way too quick for my liking, just like Jin when he got exploded on the boat. LOST takes its time when people really die, and heck even when they don't. (charlie hanging from the tree anyone?)

Meh, she wasn't really fledged out over a few series though was she? So there's no real point in basing a whole episode about her death or anything, either that or she's not really dead D:

Griffo wrote:

odj wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

I was a little disappointed with Charlottes death.

Agreed. (if she is dead) No idea if they were rushed with the episode or something or if she's not actualy dead but her death seemed way way too quick for my liking, just like Jin when he got exploded on the boat. LOST takes its time when people really die, and heck even when they don't. (charlie hanging from the tree anyone?)

Meh, she wasn't really fledged out over a few series though was she? So there's no real point in basing a whole episode about her death or anything, either that or she's not really dead D:

Yeah thats possible, but most deaths are pretty emotional on LOST, to the main characters anyway, but it wasn't really that great.

Well she's not gone forever, I'm sure.  We'll get to see her again when Daniel tells her not to come to the island or she'll die - which won't change anything, but perhaps there will be more emotions when that comes.

And I always thought Rousseau went insane and killed her team but now I'm thinking they really were possessed.

Has anyone played Myst? Supposedly it's a game that LOST has drawn many influences from. From what I'm reading it seems that way, anyway, but I'm wondering if it's worth playing? Sounds interesting but probably won't play on vista knowing my luck, despite it being remade. ~_~

Loved the last episode, lots of Cerberus and island's-ancient-civilisation stuff. Couldn't believe it when the scene cut to a ruined temple suddenly like that, presumably with one of the few (almost) structurally intact 'Cerberus vents' left.

Myst is great, but the series as a whole is better. Awesome scenery, clever puzzles, compelling story and a great soundtrack (later games had music composed by Jack Wall, who did the Mass Effect soundtrack). I'd recommend it, but I don't see much of a connexion to Lost. The games tend to have a lot of islands in them and maybe they have a similar atmosphere, but the plots are completely different.

In regards to the similarities, I was reading this page: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Myst

The game sounded like it might be right up your alley, Proc. Glad to see you didn't disappoint

I'm wondering how difficult some of them will be to pick up, the PsP version seems easy enough to get but I have a feeling I wouldn't enjoy this type of game on the PsP.

Procurator wrote:

I'd recommend it, but I don't see much of a connexion to Lost.

O rly?

The player is initially dropped from the sky into an unknown world.

Plane crash, check.

From a first-person point-of-view, the player explores the mysterious backstory

Third person, characters explore, check.

while interacting with various types of environmental puzzles.

Other Survivors are the puzzles, check.

Often the player comes upon locations, now abandoned, which may have been the home or studio of someone who is no longer present.

Lots of these present.

The background of the series deals with the fictional D'ni civilization, a race of people

Others.

who possessed the ability to craft "links", in the form of books, to other universes called "Ages".

Time travel.

This serves as the plot foundation for the travel between worlds in the games.

Time travel has been a hinted factor in LOST since the early seasons. Don't believe me?

Season 2, Episode 13, Hurley and Sayid set up the 2 way radio Bernard found in the Arrow station with a bigger antenna to see if they could pick up anything...

HURLEY: Hold it, stop! Do you hear that!

RADIO ANNOUNCER: [with spotty reception] That was the old classic "Just A-Sittin' and A-Rockin'" by Duke Ellington and his Orchestra, featuring Cootie Williams on the trumpet. Up next on WXR, the Glenn Miller Orchestra with "Moonlight Serenade".

[The song begins to play with good reception]

HURLEY: Whoa, you hear how clear that is? It's got to be close, right?

SAYID: Radio waves at this frequency bounce off the ionosphere. They can travel thousands of miles. It could be coming from anywhere.

HURLEY: Or, anytime. (beat) Just kidding, dude.

Hurley may have been kidding, but the writers were not.

Nah, I think some of those elements are too generic to be counted, and some are a bit of a stretch. The D'ni ages are a far cry from mere time periods.

Procurator wrote:

Nah, I think some of those elements are too generic to be counted, and some are a bit of a stretch. The D'ni ages are a far cry from mere time periods.

Yeah, but we're talking about influences and ideas that LOST got from the series.  I don't think it would be right to say they ripped them straight from MYST and plopped them into their own story.

Time periods and D'ni ages are similar topics and are a general link.  We're not looking for exact matches here.

Holy. Sh!t.

Epic.

Very cool episode. Now the question is, who made it and who didnt?

Each episode I think gets better and better.

Awesome.

What I'm wondering is what time they're in and how long it's been for those still left on the island.  They could have time jumped 3 years into the future when the O6 get back so it wouldn't have been that long for them, or they could have spent 10 years jumping through time.

Plus, that van and the jumpsuit looked new.

I'm assuming the time jumping stopped when Locke pushed the wheel back into place.  Therefore they've spent numerous years ingratiating themselves into Dharma as they came to the island.  Hence the camper van looking like new, and the suits.

Its just a question of how long they've been there.  Have to assume Dharma is still around, so it would imply the 6 have gone back in time, hence no crash.  But then, that may negate my previous thought that the time-travelling had stopped.

Gah, mind-fudge.

It's going to be crazy. I think the crash will still happen, hence why there was Ajira water bottles when everyone left behind moved forward in time, but without the 06. So the Ajira crash will still happen in the present. Thats probably how the Ajira folk ended up shooting at Sawyer etc.

I reckon the reason the 06 needed to go back, along with why it's only Locke, Sawyer etc moving in time, is because they were all needed to do a certain thing in the past that influences how things are in the future. The likes of Jin disappearing infront of Rousseau probably sent her loopy, Locke starting off the process for which he was identified as the leader of the Others. The reason it's happening fast is because the situation isn't right, ie the 06 weren't there, to carry out what they had to do at that specific time so it jumps... or the jumps won't stop 'til the 06 do what they have to do in the past. I dunno, something like that.

Desmonds right, though, they're all pawns in the game. I got the feeling Ben was after Penny when he went off to tie up the last loose end. He was using a pay phone near a marina, right?

Oh, and Aaron, wth?!

Yes Ben was at the marina.

But, if I remember right, wasn't Ben told he could never return to the island?  He seems to have his own game plan going on, so he's certainly going to be one mixing it all up.  As usual I guess.

Yeah, I can see this just getting messier this season (which I'm pretty excited about).

I like your way of thinking, Yasamuu.  Ben could have been going after Penny, and if Penny dies I can see Desmond wanting to go back to the island to seek revenge on Ben but then of course he'll end up being used by the island for some purpose he didn't see coming.

And yeah, Aaron?  I read in Entertainment Weekly that episode 12 (what # are we on now?) is a Kate episode where we get to see Kate's reasoning for not wanting to go back and then wanting to go back and I have a feeling that's when we'll find out what happened to Aaron.

It will be interesting to see what Lock and Widmore talk about.

Yasamuu wrote:

It's going to be crazy. I think the crash will still happen, hence why there was Ajira water bottles when everyone left behind moved forward in time, but without the 06. So the Ajira crash will still happen in the present. Thats probably how the Ajira folk ended up shooting at Sawyer etc.

I think the Ajira folk that were shooting at Sawyer and them WERE the 06.  If you remember, when they found the campsite and they were digging around, there was an open guitar case nearby...  which Hurley had brought with him on the plane.

Fen wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

It's going to be crazy. I think the crash will still happen, hence why there was Ajira water bottles when everyone left behind moved forward in time, but without the 06. So the Ajira crash will still happen in the present. Thats probably how the Ajira folk ended up shooting at Sawyer etc.

I think the Ajira folk that were shooting at Sawyer and them WERE the 06.  If you remember, when they found the campsite and they were digging around, there was an open guitar case nearby...  which Hurley had brought with him on the plane.

Yeah, good point. You could well be right, I had thought about it but dismissed it due to the fact I had no idea why they would be doing so but thats not really grounds to do so.

I came accross an incredibly spoilerific picture from episode 14 which I didn't mean to. If you want to see it I'll PM it, it's nothing too major, just a specific character but it's still something i'd rather have gone 'WT EFF' while watching.

Yasamuu wrote:

Fen wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

It's going to be crazy. I think the crash will still happen, hence why there was Ajira water bottles when everyone left behind moved forward in time, but without the 06. So the Ajira crash will still happen in the present. Thats probably how the Ajira folk ended up shooting at Sawyer etc.

I think the Ajira folk that were shooting at Sawyer and them WERE the 06.  If you remember, when they found the campsite and they were digging around, there was an open guitar case nearby...  which Hurley had brought with him on the plane.

Yeah, good point. You could well be right, I had thought about it but dismissed it due to the fact I had no idea why they would be doing so but thats not really grounds to do so.

I came accross an incredibly spoilerific picture from episode 14 which I didn't mean to. If you want to see it I'll PM it, it's nothing too major, just a specific character but it's still something i'd rather have gone 'WT EFF' while watching.

Is episode 14 next week?

No, it's only episode 7. Which is why I'm annoyed I found it, lol. >.<

Yasamuu wrote:

No, it's only episode 7. Which is why I'm annoyed I found it, lol. >.<

Then he showed me I had to pluck out my eyes!

Kybutra wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

No, it's only episode 7. Which is why I'm annoyed I found it, lol. >.<

Then he showed me I had to pluck out my eyes!

You asked!

Best...episode...EVER!!!

Yasamuu wrote:

Kybutra wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

No, it's only episode 7. Which is why I'm annoyed I found it, lol. >.<

Then he showed me I had to pluck out my eyes!

You asked!

Ah, screw it.  Send it to me.  I'm impatient. 

Oh god.  MUST RESIST URGE TO FIND OUT SPOILERS BLAHGBLHFALJA

Yasamuu wrote:

Kybutra wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

No, it's only episode 7. Which is why I'm annoyed I found it, lol. >.<

Then he showed me I had to pluck out my eyes!

You asked!

Liar!

That was one awesomesouce of an episode, Its good to see Widmore's story unfolding. Watching Ben strangle locke was a jaw dropping moment and Abaddon dieing sucked I was hoping get a little more story from him. Im sure I'll have more to post after I rewatch it tomorrow after work.

Yas' speculation that the Ajira crash still happened was confirmed.  That's nice.

I knew Ben was going to kill Locke as soon as Locke told him he had Jin's wedding ring.  I'm wondering if he knew Locke would be resurrected once the plance crashed or not, but I'm thinking he didn't with his "I'm really going to miss you, John" remark.  Should be interesting once he finds out.

Question:  Who was the woman that stole one of the boats with Lapidus?  If only Jack, Kate and Hurley flashed and disappeared, that would mean that Ben, Sun and Sayid didn't and are with the rest of the plane members.  We know Ben's still there, Sun could be the woman Lapidus ran paddled off with, so where's Sayid?

And the next episode looks like it's going to deliver.  HARD.

But... but... but... Bens one of the good guys! :'(

I'm trying to figure out exactly where the plane landed. Was it on the Hydra Islands runway? I think so. The building Caeser was in is definitely not one we've seen on the main island so I think it's the Hydra Island they've landed on and whoever Lapidus was with, Sun does seem like the likely candidate(though we didn't she 'flash' with the rest of them?), in the other boat realised this and sailed off to the main Island.

Edit: Seems like they are on the hydra for sure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER_oRayvuYI This also explains why there's a sawn off shotgun under the table. XD

I've always felt Widmore is not the super-duper evil villian that Ben made him out to be, you can't trust a thing Ben says after all, I believed that it wasn't him who dropped the plane on the bottom of the ocean and that he was not as bad as Ben made him out to be. HOWEVER! He's still done some shady things, and I think the second protocol from Season 4, 'torch the island'? isn't exactly befitting of someone genuinely trying to protect everyone, though I think this might be revisited as the Season goes on.

Sucked that Abaddon died, though. He was another of these interesting side characters that didn't get enough screen time due to the fact the actor had other priorities; ie Fringe.

There's so much more to think about, like the 'war' thats coming etc but I'll need to rewatch. XD One of the best episodes of the Season, if not the best.

The awesomeness of an episode of Lost can be measured in the number of minutes Charles Widmore is on screen. By that measure, this episode rocked beyond words.

Cervacius wrote:

I'm wondering if [Ben] knew Locke would be resurrected once the plance crashed or not, but I'm thinking he didn't with his "I'm really going to miss you, John" remark.

Exactly what I was thinking as I watched it.

As others have said, the loss of Abaddon was a real shame. I knew we were on for a good show when he appeared in the hospital.

I won't bother trying to wrap my head around what's going on with Ben and Widmore, as it's clearly up in the air right now. This is how you make a plot twist, Heroes.

Procurator wrote:

This is how you make a plot twist, Heroes.

Ben and Widmore are both bad guys, Richard makes Locke king of the island.

....

Dun!

LOST

[/end serise]

Aliens?

Procurator wrote:

The awesomeness of an episode of Lost can be measured in the number of minutes Charles Widmore is on screen. By that measure, this episode rocked beyond words.

Cervacius wrote:

I'm wondering if [Ben] knew Locke would be resurrected once the plance crashed or not, but I'm thinking he didn't with his "I'm really going to miss you, John" remark.

Exactly what I was thinking as I watched it.

As others have said, the loss of Abaddon was a real shame. I knew we were on for a good show when he appeared in the hospital.

I won't bother trying to wrap my head around what's going on with Ben and Widmore, as it's clearly up in the air right now. This is how you make a plot twist, Heroes.

After I watched last night's episode, I rewatched the one from last week, and there's that part when Ben's in Church praying, and Jack comes in. Then, Ben starts to tell him the story of Thomas the apostle...so yes, I think he did know, even if he didn't yet beleive it, even though he seemed to be hinting that Jack was analogous to Thomas...I think it still hints at that notion.

Just seemed strange that he'd say 'I'm going to miss you John, I really am' when there was nobody else around to hear him.

Yasamuu wrote:

Just seemed strange that he'd say 'I'm going to miss you John, I really am' when there was nobody else around to hear him.

I really thought that Ben was being sincere, brining Locke's hopes up to the point where he convinces him to not to commit suicide to then kill him with his bear hands after all they had been through, I think that was one of the few genuine moments from Ben. (remember Ben went as far as to turn the wheel to move the island exiling himself)

odj wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Just seemed strange that he'd say 'I'm going to miss you John, I really am' when there was nobody else around to hear him.

I really thought that Ben was being sincere, brining Locke's hopes up to the point where he convinces him to not to commit suicide to then kill him with his bear hands after all they had been through, I think that was one of the few genuine moments from Ben. (remember Ben went as far as to turn the wheel to move the island exiling himself)

Yea...I think even with the fact that Ben killed him...doesn't necessarily mean Ben is the bad guy. From a religious P.O.V. (and I'm not a christian or catholic), if Locke would have killed himself, he would have gone to hell, so in one sense Ben might have saved him from Hell...possibly...

The only thing tempting me to resub is this thread. Fact.

Next weeks episodes are looking good, here's two sneak peaks:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/20...neak-peeks.html

Yasamuu wrote:

The only thing tempting me to resub is this thread. Fact.

Don't do it! MxO needs to die already.

This was an awesome episode.

Here's my prediction:  The statue is of Richard.

Fen wrote:

This was an awesome episode.

Here's my prediction:  The statue is of Richard.

Looked like a womans body to me.