62 posts · 2008-01-22 20:21:54 to 2008-02-02 23:54:52
He should have listened to me the first time, the oracle could have told him the machines didn't have what he wanted in the first place. And he's far from the first one to look, though it's amusing the machines are bending over backwards with inevitable failure in regards to him, essentially they are pro-longing his pressence here in hopes of keeping him from 'snaping' perhaps, but it's no doubt inevitable, i predict an unpleastant near-world ending chaos - possibly in march since things move at this....pace.
~Darminian
He should have listened to me the first time, the oracle could have told him the machines didn't have what he wanted in the first place. And he's far from the first one to look, though it's amusing the machines are bending over backwards with inevitable failure in regards to him, essentially they are pro-longing his pressence here in hopes of keeping him from 'snaping' perhaps, but it's no doubt inevitable, i predict an unpleastant near-world ending chaos - possibly in march since things move at this....pace.
~Darminian
))The Intruder is dangerous and can harm the system at any time if he wishes. The Machines do not want this to happen so cooperating with the Intruder is the best way to avoid any hostilities or harmful action.
I'm not sure that you are correct about him wanting Neo's powers, he seems to have equal, if not, more powers than Neo anyway....
There is only so many times that they can tell him that they don't have whatever it is he's looking for.
I have no problems with people questioning authority but continuing to completely disregard and insult the chain of command is inappropriate. If you have a problem with Pace, take it up with her, Gray or the Architect, flaunting it in front of everyone is unprofessional.
((Attention seeking spam does not impress anyone, but at least it was RP style and on-topic. Sounded like an RP a switch to the Merv, but player RP stories have no business in trying to take over a LE))
So, do I take this as the Machinists becoming irritated at Agent Pace?
Eh.. not that I am complaining since.. if she ever desires to.. exile..
*maniacal laughter*
Do not take one or two people's personal disgruntlement with Pace as an indication of the view of Machinists as a whole. She aquitted herself as best she could in this meeting despite some rather inappropriate mocking and derisive attitudes from some operatives.
Whilst a solution to the Intruders inquery wasn't reached, it wasn't a failure, the Intruder just doesn't want to deal with System Agents when he can talk to someone with more knowledge pertaining to his search.
His interest in Pace's status as a System Agent and the date on which she was written is something quite new...
$10 says Agent Pace is not a program.Of course she's a program.
$10 says Agent Pace is not a program.
The Intruder is dangerous and can harm the system at any time if he wishes. The Machines do not want this to happen so cooperating with the Intruder is the best way to avoid any hostilities or harmful action.
I'm not sure that you are correct about him wanting Neo's powers, he seems to have equal, if not, more powers than Neo anyway....
There is only so many times that they can tell him that they don't have whatever it is he's looking for.
I have no problems with people questioning authority but continuing to completely disregard and insult the chain of command is inappropriate. If you have a problem with Pace, take it up with her, Gray or the Architect, flaunting it in front of everyone is unprofessional.
((Attention seeking spam does not impress anyone, but at least it was RP style and on-topic. Sounded like an RP a switch to the Merv, but player RP stories have no business in trying to take over a LE))
Well honey, it seems like whatever the Intruder is looking for, the machines do not have, so.....how is cooperating with The Intruder going to help? You can't stall him forever on his request.It all depends on what he actually wants. If it is something that the Machines aren't worried about him having or knowing then on their instructions we can help attempt to locate it... especially if it expedites his departure from the simulation....
odj wrote:We saw at the end of Revolutions that machines can transfer through a jacked-in person (Neo) so why couldn't they control a person to create a machine/human type liaison?$10 says Agent Pace is not a program.Of course she's a program.
She may not have been originally -_0
odj wrote:$50? Screw your $50, $100.$10 says Agent Pace is not a program.
$10? Why don't we make it $50!
MetaLogic wrote:Well honey, it seems like whatever the Intruder is looking for, the machines do not have, so.....how is cooperating with The Intruder going to help? You can't stall him forever on his request.It all depends on what he actually wants. If it is something that the Machines aren't worried about him having or knowing then on their instructions we can help attempt to locate it... especially if it expedites his departure from the simulation....
Vinia wrote:Oh yes, I have no doubt that they know what he wants. It almost very definitely is a dangerous game, one that can only be played by careful planning and not action on a whim....MetaLogic wrote:Well honey, it seems like whatever the Intruder is looking for, the machines do not have, so.....how is cooperating with The Intruder going to help? You can't stall him forever on his request.It all depends on what he actually wants. If it is something that the Machines aren't worried about him having or knowing then on their instructions we can help attempt to locate it... especially if it expedites his departure from the simulation....
It appears the machines already know what he wants, however as stated by Agent Pace, they do not have it.
Agent Pace: Yes. But we do not have what you are looking for. If there is anything we can do to facilitate your wishes, we will do so.
So either they really don't have it, or they're not willing to give it to him for whatever reason. They're playing a dangerous game either way.
MetaLogic wrote:Vinia wrote:Oh yes, I have no doubt that they know what he wants. It almost very definitely is a dangerous game, one that can only be played by careful planning and not action on a whim....MetaLogic wrote:Well honey, it seems like whatever the Intruder is looking for, the machines do not have, so.....how is cooperating with The Intruder going to help? You can't stall him forever on his request.It all depends on what he actually wants. If it is something that the Machines aren't worried about him having or knowing then on their instructions we can help attempt to locate it... especially if it expedites his departure from the simulation....
It appears the machines already know what he wants, however as stated by Agent Pace, they do not have it.
Agent Pace: Yes. But we do not have what you are looking for. If there is anything we can do to facilitate your wishes, we will do so.
So either they really don't have it, or they're not willing to give it to him for whatever reason. They're playing a dangerous game either way.
I have doubts....that he is mentally stable.You could very well be right
This still does not answer the question on everyone's mind... what the hell is the Intruder doing here?
Or the next question: Who is this guy, anyway?
And what does he want?
This still does not answer the question on everyone's mind... what the hell is the Intruder doing here?
Or the next question: Who is this guy, anyway?
And what does he want?
$10 says Agent Pace is not a program.I thought the same. There's been enough clues to it as it is, and the Intruder's response seemed to show even more. I don't think he'd freak out just cuz its a woman agent.
odj wrote:Actually, I figured he WAS freaking out just because she's a female Agent. He started freaking out before Pace even got here when he heard Pace was female.$10 says Agent Pace is not a program.I thought the same. There's been enough clues to it as it is, and the Intruder's response seemed to show even more. I don't think he'd freak out just cuz its a woman agent.
(best pic of event)
edit: someone beat me to it =P
(best pic of event)
For those of you that actually consider me a nuisance at these LESIG meetings. I really think you are being held blind. I have remained away from these meetings for a long long time and never have I been so compelled to speak my mind about the "efficiency" of the System.
As the screen shows you, The Machines do not have what the Intruder is looking for. Yet Agent Pace wants to apoligize for the "misunderstanding."
I was there when we first met the Intruder. Systematica told us to fight- intead of Talk. And NOW we are talking. Talking is what makes us alive and able to coexist with people. We can debate, negotiate, sing, entice, frighten, if only we learned to communicate instead of "Shooting first and asking questions later."
My point at this function was to make sure to rub it in their faces that they messed up. Being the self-centered system programs they are- they are know in a place of unpredictable actions. And now they want to make up for it. I was there, OooRoyooO, myself and a few others tried to actually talk to the Intruder. But like an eager baby to candy- It's so much easier pulling triggers than sitting down and having a talk.
And now when we know that fighting does not solve anything- We talk.
If you think i bothered your event- then maybe i should have because everyone here is PRO-War. Think about that for a second. You dont care about anyone else anymore.
You have lost your way- You won't listen to anyone but your generals feeding you some bloodthirsty crap. Even now on the Vector Renaissance or whatever Roleplaying forum. Dreami (Machine Liason) has a thread about killing EPN for the sake of killing to control and police. Pro- War! Pro-War.
You have lost the sight if you think that nothing i said, had no bearing on what the Machines and Zion should be doing- what they are willing to do for the Intruder- and what they wont do for Zion.
Warmongers. Screw you all.
You have lost your way- You won't listen to anyone but your generals feeding you some bloodthirsty crap. Even now on the Vector Renaissance or whatever Roleplaying forum. Dreami (Machine Liason) has a thread about killing EPN for the sake of killing to control and police. Pro- War! Pro-War.
You have lost the sight if you think that nothing i said, had no bearing on what the Machines and Zion should be doing- what they are willing to do for the Intruder- and what they wont do for Zion.
Warmongers. Screw you all.
Dreami is a Cypherite Liaison, not Machinist. The clue is in the handle, not least her actions. Machinists cannot be held accountable for Cypherite actions and unless they are under direction from it, neither can the system.
So you think everyone is Pro-War.. you really need to open your eyes. The Cypherites may enjoy the conflict and the gung-ho style, but thats why there is a distinction between Machinist and Cypherite, a good many of us would like to see the current situation with Zion end peacefully but it takes both sides to want it.
So the system may have underestimated and made a mistake or two regarding the Intruder, Humans make mistakes all the time and change their ways, why should the Machines be any different. The system has come around to your way of thinking... fine, what good is it to still publicly berate them especially when records would eventually be released thus enabling other Organisations to assume that your view is the same as every Machinist.
The title alone "We would like the violence to end" made me laugh. Thinking that the Machines would end the violence is just......out of space. And now the Intruder want the old man hehe...oh you toasters are really in big trouble this time.
"Intruder: Is this Pace guy some kind of a big cheese?" LOL
you really need to open your eyes. The Cypherites may enjoy the conflict and the gung-ho style, but thats why there is a distinction between Machinist and Cypherite,
I am glad that the people that make up the cypherites are the bad apples of the Human civilization- I am glad they were in attendence to watching incompetence work its wonders (again). But the fact of the matter is: Machines run the show- whatever they do (or dont do) affects the Cypherites.
Machinists cannot be held accountable for Cypherite actions and unless they are under direction from it, neither can the system.
Im sorry wasnt there a revelation that Cryptos was being run by machines? o_O
Humans make mistakes all the time and change their ways, why should the Machines be any different.
That's exactly my point. What they are willing to do for the Intruder, they should be doing for Zion. Plain and simple.
what good is it to still publicly berate them especially when records would eventually be released thus enabling other Organisations to assume that your view is the same as every Machinist.
If you assume that i am like every other machinist- you didnt read the first picture of me speaking parapharasing "Im sure i dont speak for the other machines..." and so on.
I dont speak for them- which is why I havent been at these meetings in ages. I speak for a peaceful existence, consider it Cypherite if you will but I dont execute my frustrations on the Zions. So again, I dont speak for Machines and most of those people there are Machines- not Cyph. This simulation was built to house a peaceful coexistence between Humans and Machines- atleast on a mental playground. It would be very hypocritical that Agent Pace (who couldnt help him in the first place) doesnt try to help soothe over the war with Zion. We know the damage that Zion causes the simulation- honestly the only thing we have seen from the Intruder is- dead agents (atleast thats all from my end).
I truly hope Agent Pace gets deleted. Her character is very incompetent.
Machinists cannot be held accountable for Cypherite actions and unless they are under direction from it, neither can the system.
Im sorry wasnt there a revelation that Cryptos was being run by machines? o_O
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Humans make mistakes all the time and change their ways, why should the Machines be any different.
That's exactly my point. What they are willing to do for the Intruder, they should be doing for Zion. Plain and simple.
what good is it to still publicly berate them especially when records would eventually be released thus enabling other Organisations to assume that your view is the same as every Machinist.
If you assume that i am like every other machinist- you didnt read the first picture of me speaking parapharasing "Im sure i dont speak for the other machines..." and so on.
I dont speak for them- which is why I havent been at these meetings in ages. I speak for a peaceful existence, consider it Cypherite if you will but I dont execute my frustrations on the Zions. So again, I dont speak for Machines and most of those people there are Machines- not Cyph. This simulation was built to house a peaceful coexistence between Humans and Machines- atleast on a mental playground. It would be very hypocritical that Agent Pace (who couldnt help him in the first place) doesnt try to help soothe over the war with Zion. We know the damage that Zion causes the simulation- honestly the only thing we have seen from the Intruder is- dead agents (atleast thats all from my end).
I truly hope Agent Pace gets deleted. Her character is very incompetent.
I am glad that the people that make up the cypherites are the bad apples of the Human civilization- I am glad they were in attendence to watching incompetence work its wonders (again). But the fact of the matter is: Machines run the show- whatever they do (or dont do) affects the Cypherites.
So Pace didn't resolve the matter with the intruder. All signs from him indicated that he was inclined to talk further, maybe not with Pace but at least he said he'd talk. Pace has limitations, even if she couldn't give the intruder what he wanted, how is that incompetence? You said that you preferred talk... why are you now complaining when talking is taking place?
Machinists cannot be held accountable for Cypherite actions and unless they are under direction from it, neither can the system.
Im sorry wasnt there a revelation that Cryptos was being run by machines? o_O
There was... but don't they now run their own Org independently of the Machines and only work with them when getting recompense? Hence unless they are under direct orders, neither the system nor the Machinists can be held accountable for their actions.
Besides... it looks like Veil runs the show now....
Humans make mistakes all the time and change their ways, why should the Machines be any different.
That's exactly my point. What they are willing to do for the Intruder, they should be doing for Zion. Plain and simple.
At this point in time the Intruder is the bigger threat to the simulation, that means a threat to the bluepills... a bigger concern then the Zionites. And last time I heard, the Zionites weren't looking for something and, if not appeased, they can't use override codes to the effect that the Intruder can.
what good is it to still publicly berate them especially when records would eventually be released thus enabling other Organisations to assume that your view is the same as every Machinist.
If you assume that i am like every other machinist- you didnt read the first picture of me speaking parapharasing "Im sure i dont speak for the other machines..." and so on.
Yet you still get comments like this:
Tranque101 wrote:So, do I take this as the Machinists becoming irritated at Agent Pace?It doesn't matter what you may say before or after the comment, people tend to ignore it and go straight for the assumption.I dont speak for them- which is why I havent been at these meetings in ages. I speak for a peaceful existence, consider it Cypherite if you will but I dont execute my frustrations on the Zions. So again, I dont speak for Machines and most of those people there are Machines- not Cyph. This simulation was built to house a peaceful coexistence between Humans and Machines- atleast on a mental playground. It would be very hypocritical that Agent Pace (who couldnt help him in the first place) doesnt try to help soothe over the war with Zion. We know the damage that Zion causes the simulation- honestly the only thing we have seen from the Intruder is- dead agents (atleast thats all from my end).
Consider it Cypherite?! Lol, So the Cyphs don't execute their frustrations on Zionites? They seek a peaceful existance? What Cyphs do you know?
As I said, Pace has been given instructions to deal with the Intruder at the moment, not Zion. It's hard to try to sooth things over with Zion when we're at war with them and have shown no intentions of soothing things over themselves. Yes they can cause damage to the simulation but not to the scale that the Intruder can, so shall we focus on Zion who continue to commit hostilities and try to 'smooth' the issue whilst the Intruder is going on a rampage?I truly hope Agent Pace gets deleted. Her character is very incompetent.
Programs can learn, they do learn and they can only do things with what they have at their disposal. It is not incompetence it's lack of available resources. For example, a new redpill cannot leap as far as an experienced operative.. that's not incompetence, they just lack the knowledge to be able to do it, but that's hardly their fault.
if you stopped generalizing me into a category youd see what im trying to say. they are similiar to Zerotolernce (not sure if you know him on the forums) we believe in the system. The system exists and keeps all sides safe. im really not gonna get into it but- essentially if the 99% want to live in the matrix let them live- give them the knowledge- but let them live the way they want to. Maybe Im wrong- atleast i can correct myself and move on- instead of taking 2 chapters to get through to apoligizing to the Intruder o_O.
The system is more important to me than the machines. Machines screw up all the time (and i will call them on it). Its the safety of the simulation- from human being to exile to machine.
Stop generalizing me into one org or the other- thats where you take your RP- mine doesnt go that way- my actions in game still comply with my RP regardless of PVP.
))Hardly surprising the Inturder hasn't found what he wants with the machines, they have nothing to offer anyone with an ounce of ambition or a shred of imagination. Each time they escalate their attempts to retain control an increasingly wild and powerful element arrives to upset the apple cart, its just evolutions way of progressing and eventually it will overwhelm, inevitably annihilating the mechs along the way.
The duplicity of the machines in forming and directing the Cypherites means every murder and every violation of that wayward clan bloodies the hands of every Mech operative as well, no wonder so many were keen to lose the truce so they could play agent (although ironically the truce was lost to no effect whatsoever)
No it doesn't.every murder and every violation of that wayward clan bloodies the hands of every Mech operative as well
Tytanya_MxO wrote:Think of it, as bragging rights... heheNo it doesn't.every murder and every violation of that wayward clan bloodies the hands of every Mech operative as well
Tytanya_MxO wrote:Think of it, as bragging rights... heheNo it doesn't.every murder and every violation of that wayward clan bloodies the hands of every Mech operative as well
I'm sure similar remarks were made about Humans when they created AI, it very nearly came true, but we're still here.Each time they escalate their attempts to retain control an increasingly wild and powerful element arrives to upset the apple cart, its just evolutions way of progressing and eventually it will overwhelm, inevitably annihilating the mechs along the way.
Tytanya_MxO wrote:I'm sure similar remarks were made about Humans when they created AI, it very nearly came true, but we're still here.Each time they escalate their attempts to retain control an increasingly wild and powerful element arrives to upset the apple cart, its just evolutions way of progressing and eventually it will overwhelm, inevitably annihilating the mechs along the way.
Considering that the Machines formed the Cypherites without the knowledge of Machinists and that they now operate independently of the Machines, our hands remain free of the blood they've spilt.
Evolution has all the time in the world, the only question is who has the wit, wisdom or imagination to dare to evolve and who is simply destined for extinction.
"Just doing as I was told" has always been such a very 'convincing' argument to excuse murder. But what did you learn by their deception of yourselves and of the cyphertites, all that time supporting those oh so noble aims when your superiors were actually doing the exact opposite, what has changed that you feel your distance from the Cypherites is any more convicing today as it was when they previously 'operated without your knowledge'.
You choose who you work for and when you discover their true nature you choose to continue with them or not, your choice is what smears that blood on your hands. Niaevety is not an effective detergent.
That's interesting, Tytanya. Especially considering that you work for a self-serving, power hungry exile who seeks nothing but to dominate the Matrix and profit from the eternal strife between Zion and Machine.
