Stay in bed
sleepy-head
It'll be all right
when Zion's dead
xoxo
Stay in bed
sleepy-head
It'll be all right
when Zion's dead
xoxo
[9.2.2] Snug in our beds forever and ever - Syntax - 1/17/08
99 posts · 2008-01-18 18:02:31 to 2008-01-23 11:55:25
Stay in bed
sleepy-head
It'll be all right
when Zion's dead
xoxo
Shame I had to miss the event but Duty called in the real. Sorry to hear about Obscurci.
((heh wow the recap of this one was far different than my own experience))
Aww, nothing of the action at the end? Guess it's good, cuz the Mervs kicked my butt pretty bad.
Interesting choice by their captain.
Aww, nothing of the action at the end? Guess it's good, cuz the Mervs kicked my butt pretty bad.
Interesting choice by their captain.
One of these days, the Murderess' luck will run out and she will get all the sleep she needs from the big dirt nap.
I only hope I am on hand to see it. But either way, Toorima's time is coming.
One less Cyph in the world.
I'd love to be 'snug in my bed forever and ever'.
Too bad I can't.
Nothing to see here. Move along
I don't know the guy, but that's one *CENSORED* good soldier. Willing to take his own life to protect whatever information was on his ship, and take out some of those masked bastards with him. I salute you, Cinquez and crew. Hopefully, with people with your kind of dedication on our side, we can kill every last one of those Cypherite bastards once and for all.
Gotta save Tasha for last, though.
Nice to have some allies in this war.
Though sad to see one go, rest in peace Obscurci.
Though sad to see one go, rest in peace Obscurci.
Rest in Peace Obscurci. *removes mask and bows head*
Okay, so, you send people to kill a supposed Bluepill murderer (was he really though? There's nothing in this report to suggest it, just what I overheard at the preceding meeting). Groovy; he's doomed.
Then he blows up his ship with the Cypherite boarding crew in it?!
Ah-hahahahahahahahahah! This is too good to be true!
Then he blows up his ship with the Cypherite boarding crew in it?!
Ah-hahahahahahahahahah! This is too good to be true!
"One less fanatic to wake up our babies"
It's not your decision to keep them alseep.. they deserve a choice at least, Toorima.
... once again, Proc beats me to it *chuckles*
All of my respect and admiration go to Captain Cinquez and his crew. They were true soldiers of Zion willing to do what it took to protect our citizens, giving up even their own lives.
But largely, this is nothing new. The Cypherites will continue to come for us and there are those of us who will come for them. They want to see all of Zion dead? I think we can very easily see the lot of them dead first.
How exactly was Captain Cinquez protecting Zion's citizens? All I see here is that he hates bluepills and that he appears to have killed some of them, which is why Veil and her buddies went after him.
Illyria
I just dont get it If he was a known Bluepill killer then why are you guys saying he did a good job?
Illyria22 wrote:
I tried to see it, i really did but i can't find anywhere in this event that even remotely sudgest that he killed a blue. Was there something prior to this that shows him killing one or are we just going off the word of Cypherites that it happend?How exactly was Captain Cinquez protecting Zion's citizens? All I see here is that he hates bluepills and that he appears to have killed some of them, which is why Veil and her buddies went after him.
Illyria
GamiSB wrote:
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I tried to see it, i really did but i can't find anywhere in this event that even remotely sudgest that he killed a blue. Was there something prior to this that shows him killing one or are we just going off the word of Cypherites that it happend?(( I'm having the same problem. Procurator's only glad that Cinquez is dead becasue he was apparently a Bluepill murderer. However, he only gathered that from the Cypherite meeting that happened prior to this event. I'd love to see more evidence before Proc ends up looking like more of an idiot.
))He kept Cypherites from stealing his ship and whatever information and access might have been on it, and even took a few out with him. That's a good job in my book - an honorable soldier's death.
I don't know a thing about him killing any bluepills, I only saw the word "blues" a few times here and there, which is also common slang for Cypherites. That, and I don't really trust a *CENSORED* thing that the legions of ignorance have to say.
How low can you get? I mean....murdering blue pills....the ones that don't put up a challenge and have no idea that the rules of the Matrix can be bent. A coward and a danger to everything. I fear Zionites are driving themselves mad in their endless and pointless search for their beloved 'One' and are unfortunately bringing down the Matrix with them out of idiocy and carelessness.
If you defend, and even worse, condone the murdering of bluepills, what does that say about your regard for the Matrix? Well if you ask me, not a lot, in fact it puts you on about a level playing field with the Intruder, only you don't have anywhere near the power, or a bunch of raving loonies begging to help you and babble away information regardless of the fact that they don't actually know what your purpose is.
Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.
If you defend, and even worse, condone the murdering of bluepills, what does that say about your regard for the Matrix? Well if you ask me, not a lot, in fact it puts you on about a level playing field with the Intruder, only you don't have anywhere near the power, or a bunch of raving loonies begging to help you and babble away information regardless of the fact that they don't actually know what your purpose is.
Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.
Neoteny wrote:
I only saw the word "blues" a few times here and there, which is also common slang for Cypherites.Thats new to me, last time I checked "Blues" was referred to Bluepills.
Kybutra wrote:
Neoteny wrote:<-- still waiting on the news that he did kill blues.I only saw the word "blues" a few times here and there, which is also common slang for Cypherites.Thats new to me, last time I checked "Blues" was referred to Bluepills.
GamiSB wrote:
<-- Still cant find the event before this one that said he did.
Kybutra wrote:Neoteny wrote:<-- still waiting on the news that he did kill blues.I only saw the word "blues" a few times here and there, which is also common slang for Cypherites.Thats new to me, last time I checked "Blues" was referred to Bluepills.
<-- Still cant find the event before this one that said he did.
Cinquez was responsible for murdering John Peskin and several other sleepers simply because they weren't interested in his or Zion's agenda. John was killed before he could provide us with information many months ago. We took upon ourselves to make him pay for his crimes.
Haigen wrote:
Cinquez was responsible for murdering John Peskin and several other sleepers simply because they weren't interested in his or Zion's agenda. John was killed before he could provide us with information many months ago. We took upon ourselves to make him pay for his crimes.
"Was there something prior to this that shows him killing one or are we just going off the word of Cypherites that it happend?"
Not that your word doesn't mean anything just you know, picture is worth more.
I cant seem to find anything, So I would have to say no.
Kybutra wrote:
I cant seem to find anything, So I would have to say no.((Cinquez is a LE character controled by rarebit though from the looks))
AlphaCoder wrote:
Well said!
How low can you get? I mean....murdering blue pills....the ones that don't put up a challenge and have no idea that the rules of the Matrix can be bent. A coward and a danger to everything. I fear Zionites are driving themselves mad in their endless and pointless search for their beloved 'One' and are unfortunately bringing down the Matrix with them out of idiocy and carelessness.
If you defend, and even worse, condone the murdering of bluepills, what does that say about your regard for the Matrix? Well if you ask me, not a lot, in fact it puts you on about a level playing field with the Intruder, only you don't have anywhere near the power, or a bunch of raving loonies begging to help you and babble away information regardless of the fact that they don't actually know what your purpose is.
Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.
Well said!
John Peskin may not have been visibly murdered by Cinquez, but the men protecting him at the time of his death--the same men who murdered Peskin--were under his command. It took a long time to track that ship down and draw information from a crew member himself. That Cinquez murdered bluepills to fit with his self-obsessed, maniacal agenda is fact.
The man was a rat and a coward, and died like one.
- Tranta
The man was a rat and a coward, and died like one.
- Tranta
Methinks that some screenshots of the Merv skirmish are missing. >_>
Tranta wrote:
So what your saying is that now thanks to Cinquez we only have your word to say that him and his crew were killing blues. Rather convenient I'd say
John Peskin may not have been visibly murdered by Cinquez, but the men protecting him at the time of his death--the same men who murdered Peskin--were under his command. It took a long time to track that ship down and draw information from a crew member himself. That Cinquez murdered bluepills to fit with his self-obsessed, maniacal agenda is fact.
The man was a rat and a coward, and died like one.
- Tranta
So what your saying is that now thanks to Cinquez we only have your word to say that him and his crew were killing blues. Rather convenient I'd say
AlphaCoder wrote:
As it was stated, proof of this soldier's murderous habits are still pending. Until then, this is little more than a means of justification.
How low can you get? I mean....murdering blue pills....the ones that don't put up a challenge and have no idea that the rules of the Matrix can be bent. A coward and a danger to everything. I fear Zionites are driving themselves mad in their endless and pointless search for their beloved 'One' and are unfortunately bringing down the Matrix with them out of idiocy and carelessness.Our "idiocy" isn't what makes people red. Their own choices are. The Matrix is flawed and naturally, people reject it. That is what the Cypherites have to realize and deal with - their own choices and actions.
If you defend, and even worse, condone the murdering of bluepills, what does that say about your regard for the Matrix? Well if you ask me, not a lot, in fact it puts you on about a level playing field with the Intruder, only you don't have anywhere near the power, or a bunch of raving loonies begging to help you and babble away information regardless of the fact that they don't actually know what your purpose is.
Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.
As it was stated, proof of this soldier's murderous habits are still pending. Until then, this is little more than a means of justification.
Fen wrote:
I don't know the guy, but that's one *CENSORED* good soldier. Willing to take his own life to protect whatever information was on his ship, and take out some of those masked bastards with him. I salute you, Cinquez and crew. Hopefully, with people with your kind of dedication on our side, we can kill every last one of those Cypherite bastards once and for all.
Gotta save Tasha for last, though.
There is no shortage of candidates for the mass grave.
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!"
Marias wrote:
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Methinks that some screenshots of the Merv skirmish are missing. >_>http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...895#36300389130
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AlphaCoder wrote:
It is your own idiocy that you are where you are. If you don't do anything by yourself you will always eat *poop* for breakfeast. Only until you accept that and come to terms with it, you'll eventually realize that breakfeast may not be as bad as you claim it to be, after all.
Like you said, think before you speak, I hate those goddamn exaggerations and generalisations.
And on a sidenote: Zion, the Council and it's military leaders do not seek Neo after all. They have much worse to face. It is the operatives, especially those whom we call E Pluribus Neo, that are as you claim.
The town of (New) Zion has other priorities, they lie in the people they have and not the ones they don't have.
- GG
Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.It is YOUR GODDAMN CHOICE that you are in the real eating *poop* for breakfeast each morning. Either SHUT UP and face it or kill yourself (so called "Reinsertion" by the Cyphs and Mechs).
It is your own idiocy that you are where you are. If you don't do anything by yourself you will always eat *poop* for breakfeast. Only until you accept that and come to terms with it, you'll eventually realize that breakfeast may not be as bad as you claim it to be, after all.
Like you said, think before you speak, I hate those goddamn exaggerations and generalisations.
And on a sidenote: Zion, the Council and it's military leaders do not seek Neo after all. They have much worse to face. It is the operatives, especially those whom we call E Pluribus Neo, that are as you claim.
The town of (New) Zion has other priorities, they lie in the people they have and not the ones they don't have.
- GG
GoDGiVeR wrote:
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
Yes the town of New Zion....the last hope of humanity, or the perfect place to cleanse the gene pool. The only reason your council and New Zion need to worry about "the people they have" is once again, because of your own stupidity and insolence, and total lack of any decent organisation. Otherwise the truce would still be intact and you wouldn't have so much to worry about.
You make me laugh each time you pass off your mistakes to others and, once again, turn a blind eye to your own incompetance.
(( I hope you aren' taking any of this to heart, t'is all RP <3 ))
AlphaCoder wrote:Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.It is YOUR GODDAMN CHOICE that you are in the real eating *CENSORED* for breakfeast each morning. Either SHUT UP and face it or kill yourself (so called "Reinsertion" by the Cyphs and Mechs).
It is your own idiocy that you are where you are. If you don't do anything by yourself you will always eat *CENSORED* for breakfeast. Only until you accept that and come to terms with it, you'll eventually realize that breakfeast may not be as bad as you claim it to be, after all.
Like you said, think before you speak, I hate those goddamn exaggerations and generalisations.
And on a sidenote: Zion, the Council and it's military leaders do not seek Neo after all. They have much worse to face. It is the operatives, especially those whom we call E Pluribus Neo, that are as you claim.
The town of (New) Zion has other priorities, they lie in the people they have and not the ones they don't have.
- GG
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
Yes the town of New Zion....the last hope of humanity, or the perfect place to cleanse the gene pool. The only reason your council and New Zion need to worry about "the people they have" is once again, because of your own stupidity and insolence, and total lack of any decent organisation. Otherwise the truce would still be intact and you wouldn't have so much to worry about.
You make me laugh each time you pass off your mistakes to others and, once again, turn a blind eye to your own incompetance.
(( I hope you aren' taking any of this to heart, t'is all RP <3 ))
AlphaCoder wrote:
1. I butter nothing up with being "free". That you chose the redpill is your choice. You chose the uncertain, your bad. Nobody forces you to take the red pill (of course there are both cases of red- and bluepills being forced to swollow down, I hate either case).
2. We lot can't contain ourselves considering blues? I'm sorry, but I can easily say the same of the Machines (and Merovingians).
3. Thank you for the flawless reference to Nazi-Germany. Also, it's absolutely inappropriate. Cleanse the gene pool? *CENSORED* are you about? Sure there are people who'd rather kill all blues and the Mechs with them just to keep themselves alive, but that's stupidity. The same stupidity the Machines have done over and over for the last millenium.
Fact: Zion was built by the Machines as a mean to control that had absolutely no purpose other than to guide a flaw created by Machines. Thus Zion has had no live of it's own, everything was a lie, a mere dream. Furthermore Neo (I don't need to go further with his deeds, legacy, etc. though, that would be another point to struggle over) gave a town of a million people, born only to feed the lust of the Machines, a chance to LIVE ON THEIR OWN ACCORD, LIKE LIVING BEINGS. They want to live in peace, nothing more, nothing less. It's a fact that everything they are, their whole life, is a lie and that truth hits them straight in the face. Who wouldn't panic? Who wouldn't make wrong choices? Oh wait, that sounds familiar, sounds like bluepills to me. But unlike The Machines blues, the blues of the Town of New Zion are all awaken to the truth and must face it, without CHOICE of rejecting the reality they live in. Do you really think that people just can handle that as if it were nothing? Even after 3 years? Ridiculous. It's the same with the blues, but blues can take the bluepill, THEY CAN REJECT IT, ZION CANNOT.
4. The truce broke because of building New Zion, granted, but that doesn't make US incompetent. Why does everybody close their eyes to some simple factors of being human? Zion has always been threatened to be wiped out. Even with the "truce", survival was just behind a fake smile. It was inevitable, if you belief it or not, that this would happen sooner or later. Peace built upon military force cannot last. "Hey we're now at peace, but move even a single muscle *boom* you're dead meat as you should be, but you're lucky that that one guy saved you." People who are threatened that way and turn a blind eye on -that- (not on our own incompetence as you say) are already dead. But Zion does not want to die and the Machines KNEW THAT (why wouldn't they? It was an easily predictable outcome of this situation. I doubt that the Machines have turned that incompetent since the beginning of the truce) but hell, did they care? They only let us live on their whimp. ((er.. if that's the word -_-)), they wouldn't give A *poop* if the truce broke and hey, it did. And now everybody blames us for doing the wrong thing, but in the end, it was the only possible thing to do in this situation. The truce would have never lasted the way it was and if it had broken later on because of somthing else, Zion would have been exterminated, the One-Zion-Cylce would have been restored and a new Zion would have been built.
Zion broke the truce, but then again, this was the ONLY way for Zion to move about and make sure that they'll last longer than under the fake smile. The Machines would have never budged and allowed anything to Zion to relief stress, even if Zion would have allowed the Machines more rights in the city they've built. The outcome wouldn't have changed by a bit, only that we wouldn't be here anymore and a new town would be already under construction.
I'm sorry, but I can't turn a blind eye on a situation, which has only 2 predictable outcomes: The way of Zions destruction (nothing lasts, time will tell) as a being of their own (LIFE FTW!) and the way of Zions destruction as a lie created by the Machines.
-GG
((6. RP would be only half as interesting without such back and forth in arguments =P))
GoDGiVeR wrote:AlphaCoder wrote:Zion needs to sit down and shut up, and get some sense. Think before you speak, and come to terms with the fact that your saviour is DEAD, just like we have come to terms with the fact that because of your idiocy, we are stuck in the Real and eating s**t for breakfast each morning.It is YOUR GODDAMN CHOICE that you are in the real eating *CENSORED* for breakfeast each morning. Either SHUT UP and face it or kill yourself (so called "Reinsertion" by the Cyphs and Mechs).
It is your own idiocy that you are where you are. If you don't do anything by yourself you will always eat *CENSORED* for breakfeast. Only until you accept that and come to terms with it, you'll eventually realize that breakfeast may not be as bad as you claim it to be, after all.
Like you said, think before you speak, I hate those goddamn exaggerations and generalisations.
And on a sidenote: Zion, the Council and it's military leaders do not seek Neo after all. They have much worse to face. It is the operatives, especially those whom we call E Pluribus Neo, that are as you claim.
The town of (New) Zion has other priorities, they lie in the people they have and not the ones they don't have.
- GG
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
Yes the town of New Zion....the last hope of humanity, or the perfect place to cleanse the gene pool. The only reason your council and New Zion need to worry about "the people they have" is once again, because of your own stupidity and insolence, and total lack of any decent organisation. Otherwise the truce would still be intact and you wouldn't have so much to worry about.
You make me laugh each time you pass off your mistakes to others and, once again, turn a blind eye to your own incompetance.
(( I hope you aren' taking any of this to heart, t'is all RP <3 ))
1. I butter nothing up with being "free". That you chose the redpill is your choice. You chose the uncertain, your bad. Nobody forces you to take the red pill (of course there are both cases of red- and bluepills being forced to swollow down, I hate either case).
2. We lot can't contain ourselves considering blues? I'm sorry, but I can easily say the same of the Machines (and Merovingians).
3. Thank you for the flawless reference to Nazi-Germany. Also, it's absolutely inappropriate. Cleanse the gene pool? *CENSORED* are you about? Sure there are people who'd rather kill all blues and the Mechs with them just to keep themselves alive, but that's stupidity. The same stupidity the Machines have done over and over for the last millenium.
Fact: Zion was built by the Machines as a mean to control that had absolutely no purpose other than to guide a flaw created by Machines. Thus Zion has had no live of it's own, everything was a lie, a mere dream. Furthermore Neo (I don't need to go further with his deeds, legacy, etc. though, that would be another point to struggle over) gave a town of a million people, born only to feed the lust of the Machines, a chance to LIVE ON THEIR OWN ACCORD, LIKE LIVING BEINGS. They want to live in peace, nothing more, nothing less. It's a fact that everything they are, their whole life, is a lie and that truth hits them straight in the face. Who wouldn't panic? Who wouldn't make wrong choices? Oh wait, that sounds familiar, sounds like bluepills to me. But unlike The Machines blues, the blues of the Town of New Zion are all awaken to the truth and must face it, without CHOICE of rejecting the reality they live in. Do you really think that people just can handle that as if it were nothing? Even after 3 years? Ridiculous. It's the same with the blues, but blues can take the bluepill, THEY CAN REJECT IT, ZION CANNOT.
4. The truce broke because of building New Zion, granted, but that doesn't make US incompetent. Why does everybody close their eyes to some simple factors of being human? Zion has always been threatened to be wiped out. Even with the "truce", survival was just behind a fake smile. It was inevitable, if you belief it or not, that this would happen sooner or later. Peace built upon military force cannot last. "Hey we're now at peace, but move even a single muscle *boom* you're dead meat as you should be, but you're lucky that that one guy saved you." People who are threatened that way and turn a blind eye on -that- (not on our own incompetence as you say) are already dead. But Zion does not want to die and the Machines KNEW THAT (why wouldn't they? It was an easily predictable outcome of this situation. I doubt that the Machines have turned that incompetent since the beginning of the truce) but hell, did they care? They only let us live on their whimp. ((er.. if that's the word -_-)), they wouldn't give A *poop* if the truce broke and hey, it did. And now everybody blames us for doing the wrong thing, but in the end, it was the only possible thing to do in this situation. The truce would have never lasted the way it was and if it had broken later on because of somthing else, Zion would have been exterminated, the One-Zion-Cylce would have been restored and a new Zion would have been built.
Zion broke the truce, but then again, this was the ONLY way for Zion to move about and make sure that they'll last longer than under the fake smile. The Machines would have never budged and allowed anything to Zion to relief stress, even if Zion would have allowed the Machines more rights in the city they've built. The outcome wouldn't have changed by a bit, only that we wouldn't be here anymore and a new town would be already under construction.
I'm sorry, but I can't turn a blind eye on a situation, which has only 2 predictable outcomes: The way of Zions destruction (nothing lasts, time will tell) as a being of their own (LIFE FTW!) and the way of Zions destruction as a lie created by the Machines.
-GG
((6. RP would be only half as interesting without such back and forth in arguments =P))
AlphaCoder wrote:
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
Sorry but reading these pieces of ignorant bull *poop* from the people that can't deal with their own actions is getting old. Lets go back to "Blue Pill Freeing 101" shall we.
Zion/EPN go out and looks for the 1% that have problems with the system. Some can deal with it and cope for awhile but eventually they all hit that stage where nothing makes sense and if they are not removed by Zion they self substantiate and possibly cause others to question or even worse hurting others. So while I'm sure you own bias is going to just ignore all this, even when it comes from the guy that built your dream world, Zion freeing people is a needed part of the system and without it those 99 dreamers you want to keep all snug in their beds are never going to get that perfect sleep.
As for buttering it all up, I can't say I was there for your awakening or knew how it all went down. In some causes I can understand why people went as they did such as with Haigen, but every awakening I have seen done by a Zionite/Neonite is cliche at best and follows almost word for word what Morpheus told Neo. Recruiters/awakeners/whatever you want to call them make it perfectly clear that this isn't some ride at Disney, you won't be able to turn back, and that it is a hard and almost unbearable truth. Which is all Zion or EPN have ever offered. That redpill wasn't handed out promising a 4 star hotel to stay in once its all over, or a new wonderful life. Just the truth. If yours didn't go according to plan sorry you got dealt this hand but you had it coming from the moment you felt the splinter but you always had the option to play it or fold.
I tried... I really did...
I read up about the operation and heard about the deaths of the Cypherite boarding crew and their target... and.... I just can't seem to care...
The way I see it, if he did indeed kill bluepills because they didn't want to follow his agenda then a murderer is dead... if not then he was simply a Zion soldier who killed himself by his own hands just to take out a few Cypherites.
I can't see any negative to all this... so it's just business as usual...
GamiSB wrote:
Machinists can address any issues bluepills may have and if someone is dangerous enough to destabilise the simulation for others and his/herself or just cannot accept the simulation at all then we can see to it that they are freed from the simulation as necessary. Just because someone questions something about the simulation doesn't mean that they require or want waking. A splinter of the mind can be removed, the damage caused by removing them from their world is much worse, yet that is what you risk every time you 'free' a bluepill. Their mind may not accept something but it almost probably does accept everything else. Your example of dangerous selfsubstantiation is a very rare occurrence.
Lets be realistic... you are prohibited from entering the simulation... would the Machines do this if you were required? Ha. So just get over yourselves, you trespass onto Machine property in order to wake bluepills in order to convince them to join your cause...
I read up about the operation and heard about the deaths of the Cypherite boarding crew and their target... and.... I just can't seem to care...
The way I see it, if he did indeed kill bluepills because they didn't want to follow his agenda then a murderer is dead... if not then he was simply a Zion soldier who killed himself by his own hands just to take out a few Cypherites.
I can't see any negative to all this... so it's just business as usual...
GamiSB wrote:
Zion/EPN go out and looks for the 1% that have problems with the system. Some can deal with it and cope for awhile but eventually they all hit that stage where nothing makes sense and if they are not removed by Zion they self substantiate and possibly cause others to question or even worse hurting others. So while I'm sure you own bias is going to just ignore all this, even when it comes from the guy that built your dream world, Zion freeing people is a needed part of the system and without it those 99 dreamers you want to keep all snug in their beds are never going to get that perfect sleep.Lol! You really believe that you are required by the system to wake up the 1% Funniest thing I've heard all day... What do you think Machinists are for? The situation you pointed out is our main duty because we are better at dealing with Humankind than Machine programs. Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what you job is... history.
Machinists can address any issues bluepills may have and if someone is dangerous enough to destabilise the simulation for others and his/herself or just cannot accept the simulation at all then we can see to it that they are freed from the simulation as necessary. Just because someone questions something about the simulation doesn't mean that they require or want waking. A splinter of the mind can be removed, the damage caused by removing them from their world is much worse, yet that is what you risk every time you 'free' a bluepill. Their mind may not accept something but it almost probably does accept everything else. Your example of dangerous selfsubstantiation is a very rare occurrence.
Lets be realistic... you are prohibited from entering the simulation... would the Machines do this if you were required? Ha. So just get over yourselves, you trespass onto Machine property in order to wake bluepills in order to convince them to join your cause...
GamiSB wrote:
You mean to tell me you don't think/see how telling them they have been living a lie is practically a guarantee that they will pop that stupid red pill? "You've been living a lie, discover the truth". You think people are going to turn that down, once you have said that they don't listen to the rest of what you tell them, they are too busy wondering what the hell "the truth" is gunna be after being blissfully ignorant for however long.
You are no longer required, why can't you accept this and go gracefully, let the Machines sort you out with a comfy disconnecting, don't go kicking and screaming just because there is nothing left for you to do here, why can't you see that that's the case?
AlphaCoder wrote:As for buttering it all up, I can't say I was there for your awakening or knew how it all went down. In some causes I can understand why people went as they did such as with Haigen, but every awakening I have seen done by a Zionite/Neonite is cliche at best and follows almost word for word what Morpheus told Neo. Recruiters/awakeners/whatever you want to call them make it perfectly clear that this isn't some ride at Disney, you won't be able to turn back, and that it is a hard and almost unbearable truth. Which is all Zion or EPN have ever offered. That redpill wasn't handed out promising a 4 star hotel to stay in once its all over, or a new wonderful life. Just the truth. If yours didn't go according to plan sorry you got dealt this hand but you had it coming from the moment you felt the splinter but you always had the option to play it or fold.
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
You mean to tell me you don't think/see how telling them they have been living a lie is practically a guarantee that they will pop that stupid red pill? "You've been living a lie, discover the truth". You think people are going to turn that down, once you have said that they don't listen to the rest of what you tell them, they are too busy wondering what the hell "the truth" is gunna be after being blissfully ignorant for however long.
You are no longer required, why can't you accept this and go gracefully, let the Machines sort you out with a comfy disconnecting, don't go kicking and screaming just because there is nothing left for you to do here, why can't you see that that's the case?
Vinia wrote:
I tried... I really did...
I read up about the operation and heard about the deaths of the Cypherite boarding crew and their target... and.... I just can't seem to care...
The way I see it, if he did indeed kill bluepills because they didn't want to follow his agenda then a murderer is dead... if not then he was simply a Zion soldier who killed himself by his own hands just to take out a few Cypherites.
I can't see any negative to all this... so it's just business as usual...
GamiSB wrote:Zion/EPN go out and looks for the 1% that have problems with the system. Some can deal with it and cope for awhile but eventually they all hit that stage where nothing makes sense and if they are not removed by Zion they self substantiate and possibly cause others to question or even worse hurting others. So while I'm sure you own bias is going to just ignore all this, even when it comes from the guy that built your dream world, Zion freeing people is a needed part of the system and without it those 99 dreamers you want to keep all snug in their beds are never going to get that perfect sleep.Lol! You really believe that you are required by the system to wake up the 1% Funniest thing I've heard all day... What do you think Machinists are for? The situation you pointed out is our main duty because we are better at dealing with Humankind than Machine programs. Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what you job is... history.
Machinists can address any issues bluepills may have and if someone is dangerous enough to destabilise the simulation for others and his/herself or just cannot accept the simulation at all then we can see to it that they are freed from the simulation as necessary. Just because someone questions something about the simulation doesn't mean that they require or want waking. A splinter of the mind can be removed, the damage caused by removing them from their world is much worse, yet that is what you risk every time you 'free' a bluepill. Their mind may not accept something but it almost probably does accept everything else. Your example of dangerous selfsubstantiation is a very rare occurrence.
Lets be realistic... you are prohibited from entering the simulation... would the Machines do this if you were required? Ha. So just get over yourselves, you trespass onto Machine property in order to wake bluepills in order to convince them to join your cause...
Please do us all a favor and stop trying to put words in my mouth. You know perfectly well what was meant there and it was hardly that Zion and EPN are the only ones that could do the job. It was simply to say that its needed (much to our Cypherites friends dismay). As for removing splinters I'll believe it when I see it and given that we have people that took the blue pill still fighting at the impulse I'd say your full of just waiting to believe it or you can show some actual evidence for it. How ironic that the organization that preaches logic and reason still sets so much on blind faith.
Vinia wrote:
GamiSB wrote:Zion/EPN go out and looks for the 1% that have problems with the system. Some can deal with it and cope for awhile but eventually they all hit that stage where nothing makes sense and if they are not removed by Zion they self substantiate and possibly cause others to question or even worse hurting others. So while I'm sure you own bias is going to just ignore all this, even when it comes from the guy that built your dream world, Zion freeing people is a needed part of the system and without it those 99 dreamers you want to keep all snug in their beds are never going to get that perfect sleep.Lol! You really believe that you are required by the system to wake up the 1% Funniest thing I've heard all day... What do you think Machinists are for? The situation you pointed out is our main duty because we are better at dealing with Humankind than Machine programs. Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what you job is... history.
Machinists can address any issues bluepills may have and if someone is dangerous enough to destabilise the simulation for others and his/herself or just cannot accept the simulation at all then we can see to it that they are freed from the simulation as necessary. Just because someone questions something about the simulation doesn't mean that they require or want waking. A splinter of the mind can be removed, the damage caused by removing them from their world is much worse, yet that is what you risk every time you 'free' a bluepill. Their mind may not accept something but it almost probably does accept everything else. Your example of dangerous selfsubstantiation is a very rare occurrence.
Lets be realistic... you are prohibited from entering the simulation... would the Machines do this if you were required? Ha. So just get over yourselves, you trespass onto Machine property in order to wake bluepills in order to convince them to join your cause...
If that is so, then why does Zion exist in the first place?
AlphaCoder wrote:
GamiSB wrote:AlphaCoder wrote:As for buttering it all up, I can't say I was there for your awakening or knew how it all went down. In some causes I can understand why people went as they did such as with Haigen, but every awakening I have seen done by a Zionite/Neonite is cliche at best and follows almost word for word what Morpheus told Neo. Recruiters/awakeners/whatever you want to call them make it perfectly clear that this isn't some ride at Disney, you won't be able to turn back, and that it is a hard and almost unbearable truth. Which is all Zion or EPN have ever offered. That redpill wasn't handed out promising a 4 star hotel to stay in once its all over, or a new wonderful life. Just the truth. If yours didn't go according to plan sorry you got dealt this hand but you had it coming from the moment you felt the splinter but you always had the option to play it or fold.
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
You mean to tell me you don't think/see how telling them they have been living a lie is practically a guarantee that they will pop that stupid red pill? "You've been living a lie, discover the truth". You think people are going to turn that down, once you have said that they don't listen to the rest of what you tell them, they are too busy wondering what the hell "the truth" is gunna be after being blissfully ignorant for however long.
You are no longer required, why can't you accept this and go gracefully, let the Machines sort you out with a comfy disconnecting, don't go kicking and screaming just because there is nothing left for you to do here, why can't you see that that's the case?
Right, John Doe, father, working for a nice software company living in Tabor Park is just going to jump at the impulse of "Everything you know is a lie!" without having ever thought that in the first place. Leave his wife, kids, job, everything just cuse some druggie on the street tells them to take a pill? Seriously start actually thinking for realistically here.
You know that saying "No one can be told what the Matrix is" You ever stopped and wondered exactly why that is? Because it takes someone that is completely insane by bluepill standards to believe the truth. No one that has had no reason to question the Matrix is going to want to be freed from it. You don't ask why 2+2=5 without knowing figuring that something might be wrong and that's exactly what the Matrix tries to cover up. Tells people to believe something that only 1% realise that something is wrong. And then even that isn't enough to go out looking for the answer or even believing it when you do find it. You have people that just don't care, people that are to lazy, people that are fine with it it being 5 but do realize that something's wrong. There is much more to the process then fancy quotes and two pills.
And finally I don't give a *CENSORED* who does it. I just see a lack of it coming from the Machines and the complete opposite coming from Cypherites. All I, Zion, or EPN really care about is that it happens. Where they go, what they do, what they choose, is all up to them and as long as they got to make their choice then I'm perfectly fine with letting them swallow that little blue pill.
ShiXinFeng wrote:
Vinia wrote:Isolated, underlined and put in bold so you can read it properly this time...Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what your job is... history.
If that is so, then why does Zion exist in the first place?
GamiSB wrote:
GamiSB wrote:Please do us all a favor and stop trying to put words in my mouth. You know perfectly well what was meant there and it was hardly that Zion and EPN are the only ones that could do the job. It was simply to say that its needed (much to our Cypherites friends dismay). As for removing splinters I'll believe it when I see it and given that we have people that took the blue pill still fighting at the impulse I'd say your full of just waiting to believe it or you can show some actual evidence for it. How ironic that the organization that preaches logic and reason still sets so much on blind faith.
Zion/EPN go out and looks for the 1% that have problems with the system. Some can deal with it and cope for awhile but eventually they all hit that stage where nothing makes sense and if they are not removed by Zion they self substantiate and possibly cause others to question or even worse hurting others. So while I'm sure you own bias is going to just ignore all this, even when it comes from the guy that built your dream world, Zion freeing people is a needed part of the system and without it those 99 dreamers you want to keep all snug in their beds are never going to get that perfect sleep.
No words were put in your mouth, what I highlighted was the lack of words from your mouth. If you mean something, say it. If we were to apply what we think you meant, that'd be putting words into your mouth. Show me a bluepill who has had questions about his environment, taken the bluepill and is still 'fighting at the impulse'. Just because you haven't seen it does not mean its not happening. I've not seen Zion or EPN wake any bluepills for a good while, but that does not mean its not happening...
Lack of evidence does not mean you can disregard peoples beliefs or that something isn't happening. Also, whilst I represent my Organisation, basing any assumption on it's beliefs and thoughts on my own is flawed.
GamiSB wrote:
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300015378
I haven't read the whole event, didn't read what was said, haven't seen a screenshot with his name but that is the event and I've personally seen him laying dead on the ground.
We know the captain hates blues because we've have our connections. Who cares anyway? It's just a redpill.
Haigen wrote:This was the event where John Peskin was killed:Cinquez was responsible for murdering John Peskin and several other sleepers simply because they weren't interested in his or Zion's agenda. John was killed before he could provide us with information many months ago. We took upon ourselves to make him pay for his crimes.
"Was there something prior to this that shows him killing one or are we just going off the word of Cypherites that it happend?"
Not that your word doesn't mean anything just you know, picture is worth more.
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300015378
I haven't read the whole event, didn't read what was said, haven't seen a screenshot with his name but that is the event and I've personally seen him laying dead on the ground.
We know the captain hates blues because we've have our connections. Who cares anyway? It's just a redpill.
Vinia wrote:
"Your job is done here, now all go and die as you were supposed to be from the beginning." Very humane, Vinia, indeed. But hey, you don't care about anything else than your blues, why should you care about the rest?
- DD
ShiXinFeng wrote:Vinia wrote:Isolated, underlined and put in bold so you can read it properly this time...Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what your job is... history.
If that is so, then why does Zion exist in the first place?
"Your job is done here, now all go and die as you were supposed to be from the beginning." Very humane, Vinia, indeed. But hey, you don't care about anything else than your blues, why should you care about the rest?
- DD
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Vinia wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:Vinia wrote:Isolated, underlined and put in bold so you can read it properly this time...Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what your job is... history.
If that is so, then why does Zion exist in the first place?
"Your job is done here, now all go and die as you were supposed to be from the beginning." Very humane, Vinia, indeed. But hey, you don't care about anything else than your blues, why should you care about the rest?
- DD
When did I say go and die? I'd rather prefer you stay in New Zion, look after the innocent children and civilians and prosper there, at least then I can try to persuade the Machines to leave you alone, but I know that you have no intentions of doing so.
If you truly know me as your statement suggests you do, you'd know that I care about more than just the blues, but as blues are the Human race, you're *CENSORED* right I care about them, in fact the only thing I care about more than the blues is the vision of the future, of Mankind and Machine united.
I probably won't see this future, most likely down to the actions of you and yours, so making sure bluepills survive past my expiration matters more to me than anything.
GamiSB wrote:
So don't try and fool me with this innocent blue pills getting to choose and having freedom of choice, you perform such an act each time you "free" someone that, in their dizzy state of mind, being bombarded by all these truths and all these wondrous promises of seeing the truth, even if it won't be easy and you can't go back, will almost certainly say yes; because as I said before, they stop listening once you mention seeing the truth, and start fantasising .
AlphaCoder wrote:Once again, a shot, and a miss (by a mile I might add). Of course the average "John Doe", father of 4, successful IT employee isn't going to just up and leave people he loves and the life he loves. However if they don't believe it's real any more, and (you said it yourself) are regarded as a bit of a nut case, then what have they to lose? They get to prove to everyone they were right, they get to see "the truth", they get to look out, from the other side of the looking glass. You don't approach "innocent blues" you approach "vulnerable blues".GamiSB wrote:AlphaCoder wrote:As for buttering it all up, I can't say I was there for your awakening or knew how it all went down. In some causes I can understand why people went as they did such as with Haigen, but every awakening I have seen done by a Zionite/Neonite is cliche at best and follows almost word for word what Morpheus told Neo. Recruiters/awakeners/whatever you want to call them make it perfectly clear that this isn't some ride at Disney, you won't be able to turn back, and that it is a hard and almost unbearable truth. Which is all Zion or EPN have ever offered. That redpill wasn't handed out promising a 4 star hotel to stay in once its all over, or a new wonderful life. Just the truth. If yours didn't go according to plan sorry you got dealt this hand but you had it coming from the moment you felt the splinter but you always had the option to play it or fold.
So the fact that I simply noticed something was wrong and one of your fools latched on to that and approached me about it has nothing to do with the fact that I am in the Real? The way you butter up being "free" could make anyone take the red pill, then they're stuck, just like the rest of us poor s*ds, all because you lot can't keep yourselves contained when you see someone who is starting to see through the wonderful world they live in.
You mean to tell me you don't think/see how telling them they have been living a lie is practically a guarantee that they will pop that stupid red pill? "You've been living a lie, discover the truth". You think people are going to turn that down, once you have said that they don't listen to the rest of what you tell them, they are too busy wondering what the hell "the truth" is gunna be after being blissfully ignorant for however long.
You are no longer required, why can't you accept this and go gracefully, let the Machines sort you out with a comfy disconnecting, don't go kicking and screaming just because there is nothing left for you to do here, why can't you see that that's the case?Right, John Doe, father, working for a nice software company living in Tabor Park is just going to jump at the impulse of "Everything you know is a lie!" without having ever thought that in the first place. Leave his wife, kids, job, everything just cuse some druggie on the street tells them to take a pill? Seriously start actually thinking for realistically here.
You know that saying "No one can be told what the Matrix is" You ever stopped and wondered exactly why that is? Because it takes someone that is completely insane by bluepill standards to believe the truth. No one that has had no reason to question the Matrix is going to want to be freed from it. You don't ask why 2+2=5 without knowing figuring that something might be wrong and that's exactly what the Matrix tries to cover up. Tells people to believe something that only 1% realise that something is wrong. And then even that isn't enough to go out looking for the answer or even believing it when you do find it. You have people that just don't care, people that are to lazy, people that are fine with it it being 5 but do realize that something's wrong. There is much more to the process then fancy quotes and two pills.
So don't try and fool me with this innocent blue pills getting to choose and having freedom of choice, you perform such an act each time you "free" someone that, in their dizzy state of mind, being bombarded by all these truths and all these wondrous promises of seeing the truth, even if it won't be easy and you can't go back, will almost certainly say yes; because as I said before, they stop listening once you mention seeing the truth, and start fantasising .
Vinia wrote:
You can't stop that 1% of bluepills from realising how fake the Matrix is. Someone must be their to extract them, you can't keep shoving Bluepills down their throats and Zion extracts them, for those who choose to take the Redpill. If you think we are going to stand by and watch them be recycled or even let those Redpills fill the ranks of the Machines Army or Cypherite Terrorists, them your more stupid than I thought.
GoDGiVeR wrote:Vinia wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:Vinia wrote:Isolated, underlined and put in bold so you can read it properly this time...Don't think because of your history that you are still required to do that job, because that's exactly what your job is... history.
If that is so, then why does Zion exist in the first place?
"Your job is done here, now all go and die as you were supposed to be from the beginning." Very humane, Vinia, indeed. But hey, you don't care about anything else than your blues, why should you care about the rest?
- DDWhen did I say go and die? I'd rather prefer you stay in New Zion, look after the innocent children and civilians and prosper there, at least then I can try to persuade the Machines to leave you alone, but I know that you have no intentions of doing so.
If you truly know me as your statement suggests you do, you'd know that I care about more than just the blues, but as blues are the Human race, you're *CENSORED* right I care about them, in fact the only thing I care about more than the blues is the vision of the future, of Mankind and Machine united.
I probably won't see this future, most likely down to the actions of you and yours, so making sure bluepills survive past my expiration matters more to me than anything.
You can't stop that 1% of bluepills from realising how fake the Matrix is. Someone must be their to extract them, you can't keep shoving Bluepills down their throats and Zion extracts them, for those who choose to take the Redpill. If you think we are going to stand by and watch them be recycled or even let those Redpills fill the ranks of the Machines Army or Cypherite Terrorists, them your more stupid than I thought.
Tranta wrote:
John Peskin may not have been visibly murdered by Cinquez, but the men protecting him at the time of his death--the same men who murdered Peskin--were under his command. It took a long time to track that ship down and draw information from a crew member himself. That Cinquez murdered bluepills to fit with his self-obsessed, maniacal agenda is fact.
The man was a rat and a coward, and died like one.
- Tranta
Well for starters, you have shown no proof that he was a murderer, for all I know when you say "Murderer" You could mean he Awakened people and you didn't like it.
However even if he was a Murderer, I'm glad he managed to redeem himself by killing your Stupid Boarding party and wasted Obscuri.
Before you go around calling Cinquez a Coward, I suggest you look at yourselfs first. While Killing Bluepills is a detestable act, he probably only been that for a week. While you killing Redpills by pulling out their jacks and not confronting them head on, has been going on for over 2 years now. The Cypherites are a collection of Cowards and Veil is the Chief amongst them.
Last thing. Speaking of Veil, I remember her saying these words to Machinists "This just won't do, dearie. The Machines have decided to let the Intruder do whatever he wants, but how long do you think you can go around cleaning up the messes he makes? If they haven't got the guts to stand up to him, then maybe they should step aside for those who can." Now She said these words and yet your Organisation has done nothing to stop the Intruder. So clearly by returning to killing Zionites, I can only conclude that you are too weak to handle the Intruder and left the problem to the Machines. So are you all Talk and no Action or are you actually going to get off your Fat Butts and do something useful for a change and get rid of the Intruder?
Be Seeing you Tranty.