This isn't 1999.

niice...

/explanation

*waits patiently*

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2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

'98 can be explained by that whole thing... From what I understood it was a matter of convincing everyone that the previous year was 1998, and the year before 1997 and so on and so forth, so that could sort of be played off.

2003, well, that's kind of odd, isn't it? Since it only says '03 maybe we can pretend it was 1903... <.<

EDIT: Because I typed "pretent." This does not give me much hope for a degree in the English department...

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version?  That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version?  That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

Oh. =P

/facepalm

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version?  That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version?  That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

Tygrius wrote:

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version?  That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

2199 is not plausible. 7 iterations of the Matrix. Besides, 1999 is when AI was CREATED. There's the time between creation and the Matrix.

Roukan wrote:

Tygrius wrote:

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version?  That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

2199 is not plausible. 7 iterations of the Matrix. Besides, 1999 is when AI was CREATED. There's the time between creation and the Matrix.

Right. That's what Morpheus had figured before they knew there had been previous versions of the Matrix, and previous incarnations of Zion. 6 Matrixes with "The One" plus the two failed Matrices, which, god only knows how long those were around (they can't be assumed cyclical like the others) plus the time for the war, and the time between 1999 and the creation of AI (I don't think it happened that year... or anytime too soon). It's probably around 3500 or later.

They threw it out because it was bad - why are you so eager to eat it up?

*CENSORED* and here I was ready to party like it was 1999. 

Anywho, it's hard to really use "Beyond" as evidence since it's part of Animatrix and not one of the shorts written by the Wachowskis.  Though it was inspired like the others, they do contain things that contradict the "canon" of the Matrix universe, as envisioned by the Wachowskis.

I may be wrong but who cares what year it is in the Matrix anyway?

'98 can be explained by that whole thing... From what I understood it was a matter of convincing everyone that the previous year was 1998, and the year before 1997 and so on and so forth, so that could sort of be played off.

*CENSORED* and here I was ready to party like it was 1999.  " />

Anywho, it's hard to really use "Beyond" as evidence since it's part of Animatrix and not one of the shorts written by the Wachowskis.  Though it was inspired like the others, they do contain things that contradict the "canon" of the Matrix universe, as envisioned by the Wachowskis.

I may be wrong but who cares what year it is in the Matrix anyway?

BAD Ideas that are NOT in the movies but have stunk their way in to MxO canon:

1) It's always 1999 in the Matrix.
2) The Matrix is only a big city and a surrounding mountain range.
3) Morpheus found five "failed Ones" before finding Neo.

And before I get jumped (again) for #3 because "it's in the original script:"  it was in the script and was not shot in to the movie because it was a BAD IDEA that they REJECTED.  Going thru old movie scripts to find things that were not used in order to show that they were "real" is pretty flawed.  The early scripts of "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" don't include Spock's death so, following the same logic as those who are whining "but it's in the script they didn't use!" then Spock didn't die in Wrath of Khan, either, even tho that's what everyone saw on the screen.  The W Bros re-used the concept of "five previous Ones" in Reloaded, so throwing it back on top of the present cycle makes no sense and is the equivalent of eating thrown away food out of garbage bin.  They threw it out because it was bad - why are you so eager to eat it up?

Seriously, PS10N, why is it so hard for you to conceive of the plausability that Morpheus, in his zealousness to fulfill his destiny, jumped to the conclusion that he had found "The One" when all he had really found was another average Joe. It's not that far out of a concept. But anyways, while we're on the continuity train...something that's always bugged me...

Why is it Mega City when this states otherwise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_%28The_Matrix%29

Vesuveus wrote:

2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

In regard to the 1999 thing, I have always felt this way and continue to feel this way:

The numerical progression of time is unaltered and keeps ticking away like it's supposed to.
However, the society/technology/atmosphere never progresses beyond the status quo of 1999. There are no big changes in their world, every day is just like any other, and everyone accepts it. I think that fits in with the theme of the movie about accepting the status quo vs. challenging authority.

I always assumed the Matrix was more about conditioning the bluepills to accept that nothing ever changes, rather than altering the details of their reality to explain why nothing ever changes.

Its simple, Beyond isn't canon. This only shows that nothing that the W Bros or Paul C did not direct or write should be taken as canon.

The other five films and comics are just published fan fiction that the W bros enjoyed and decided to share with everyone along with their own ideas.

The Matrix time line simple goes like this

02/19/95 - Trinity's call
9/18/96 -  Neo Phone call to Machines
03/97 - Reloaded/Revolutions starts and ends 3 days later
05/97 - MxO Story line starts up
06/12/99 - The war starts again

PS10N wrote:

BAD Ideas that are NOT in the movies but have stunk their way in to MxO canon:

1) It's always 1999 in the Matrix.
2) The Matrix is only a big city and a surrounding mountain range.
3) Morpheus found five "failed Ones" before finding Neo.

And before I get jumped (again) for #3 because "it's in the original script:"  it was in the script and was not shot in to the movie because it was a BAD IDEA that they REJECTED.  Going thru old movie scripts to find things that were not used in order to show that they were "real" is pretty flawed.  The early scripts of "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" don't include Spock's death so, following the same logic as those who are whining "but it's in the script they didn't use!" then Spock didn't die in Wrath of Khan, either, even tho that's what everyone saw on the screen.  The W Bros re-used the concept of "five previous Ones" in Reloaded, so throwing it back on top of the present cycle makes no sense and is the equivalent of eating thrown away food out of garbage bin.  They threw it out because it was bad - why are you so eager to eat it up?

Seriously, PS10N, why is it so hard for you to conceive of the plausability that Morpheus, in his zealousness to fulfill his destiny, jumped to the conclusion that he had found "The One" when all he had really found was another average Joe. It's not that far out of a concept. But anyways, while we're on the continuity train...something that's always bugged me...

Why is it Mega City when this states otherwise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_%28The_Matrix%29

Including this and all, I mean ALL the other things that happened in MXO, after the movies... It's just that, to me, the movies kinda gave the idea that 'the watchers/audience/you and me' were bluepills and that our world, planet earth, was the Matrix. And since I've been playing MXO, the more this idea drifts away.
Yet this is what was so interesting about it.
All respect to the writes of the story, I guess this is what the Matrix is. But for me it's pretty far away from the image that the movies left behind. Yet the Animatrix carried this image too, I saw it, there were small holes that contradict a thing here and there, but I can look passed that easily. Big things, like it's always '99, one city, no planet, the hacker trees, the flashy effects, big fly monsters, simulacra's...all things that, if you ask me, weren't needed for the Matrix to make it more interesting. It were the small things, like using a phone to log out of the world, dejavu's that aren't real, the use of numbers here and there that had to do with computers (0, 1, 8, 16, 101, 303), comparing real life with how a computer works, that kinda stuff is what got me fascinated about the Matrix.
Oh well, I'll accept it and meh, it's just the way it is. Could've been better but I'm enjoying how it is anyway.

You put this in a good way I think Reeverb..I agree with you 200%..

I agree with the whole story ,but i highlighted these paticular comments for a reason...because both of them are quite true..and I believe that more can be done for the greater future of this game  and to uphold the nature of the films..

However, I do also believe Rarebit is not God, but he's trying to an extent..and for that I respect him..

Remember that as redpills we are aware more of the code and what is actually going on around us. So the hacking graphics are just us enhancing what is actually happening. What bluepills may be able to explain away as imagination could be things we take for granted.

In the end... it is a game and certain aspects of it (such as the EJP) are there for the benefit of us gamers. Its the compromise of story vs game mechanics take out all of the glowing graphics and the hacker graphics and it will be less visually appealing but you can toggle them off if you don't like them. This explains why the 'one city' has crept into the story. They have a lot longer to explore certain things in a continuous online game then a trilogy of films concerned with a couple of intertwined storylines with multiple layers of meaning and also the game is limited to that city. There is only so far one vehicle of story telling can stick with another before compromising has to start happening.

I see you're point of view as well..

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Remember that as redpills we are aware more of the code and what is actually going on around us. So the hacking graphics are just us enhancing what is actually happening. What bluepills may be able to explain away as imagination could be things we take for granted.

In the end... it is a game and certain aspects of it (such as the EJP) are there for the benefit of us gamers. Its the compromise of story vs game mechanics take out all of the glowing graphics and the hacker graphics and it will be less visually appealing but you can toggle them off if you don't like them. This explains why the 'one city' has crept into the story. They have a lot longer to explore certain things in a continuous online game then a trilogy of films concerned with a couple of intertwined storylines with multiple layers of meaning and also the game is limited to that city. There is only so far one vehicle of story telling can stick with another before compromising has to start happening.

What if the numbers in the screenshot weren't the date? :O

What if the numbers in the screenshot weren't the date? :O

PS10N wrote:

BAD Ideas that are NOT in the movies but have stunk their way in to MxO canon:

1) It's always 1999 in the Matrix.
2) The Matrix is only a big city and a surrounding mountain range.
3) Morpheus found five "failed Ones" before finding Neo.

And before I get jumped (again) for #3 because "it's in the original script:"  it was in the script and was not shot in to the movie because it was a BAD IDEA that they REJECTED.  Going thru old movie scripts to find things that were not used in order to show that they were "real" is pretty flawed.  The early scripts of "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" don't include Spock's death so, following the same logic as those who are whining "but it's in the script they didn't use!" then Spock didn't die in Wrath of Khan, either, even tho that's what everyone saw on the screen.  The W Bros re-used the concept of "five previous Ones" in Reloaded, so throwing it back on top of the present cycle makes no sense and is the equivalent of eating thrown away food out of garbage bin.  They threw it out because it was bad - why are you so eager to eat it up?

Seriously, PS10N, why is it so hard for you to conceive of the plausability that Morpheus, in his zealousness to fulfill his destiny, jumped to the conclusion that he had found "The One" when all he had really found was another average Joe. It's not that far out of a concept. But anyways, while we're on the continuity train...something that's always bugged me...

Why is it Mega City when this states otherwise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_%28The_Matrix%29

Well, there's no place of residency listed. So, though born in Capital City, it's entirely possible that Neo resided in "Mega City."

I don't really see the idea of it being "Always 1999" as conflicting. Not in the least - as a matter of fact, it accentuates the point the brothers were trying to make. The Machines are not going to "let" the bluepills of the Matrix do anything - their jobs, their lives, even their time is regulated in an everlasting, unchanging cycle. Let their technology advance? Absurd - they may find a way to free themselves of the Matrix through technology. What chemist might develop his own red pill? (Note to self: Good idea for an RP story - I had it first, no stealing! )

Moreover, technology would likely progress as it had during the "real" timeline, where AI would eventually be created, and the war would repeat itself. I'm guessing that's not something the Machines want to see happen.

As for the five previous versions of the One? It adds to the theme of control. Zion only knew what the Machines had told them, or, depending on your view, had allowed them to learn. As a matter of fact, everything we know now is still contingent on what they've said. There's a war because we've been told there's a war. There are seven Matrixes because we've been told there are seven. I think this is something that's been alluded to when the Merovingian talked with the Morpheus simulacra about the Machines' power source, and his answers were rather unfounded.

Why is it Mega City when this states otherwise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_%28The_Matrix%29