[9.1.3] Do not approach the wireframed man - Recursion - 11/30/07

There is an inordinate amount of irony within this particular happening.

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

Ol' Polly and I were kickin it...

Was I the only one to get an Accelerate boost?  Everyone I asked got Decerate... and I only got it once /shrug

Outnumbered, outgunned, but I still like to think I left old nutjob nicely bruised.

Our defense for keeping Zion's away from the Intruder was outstanding. I would like to thank all of our brothers and sisters who help us, to prevent the Zion's and EPN approach The Intruder. EPN's Officer should learn to stay away from business that does not concern him.

I just don't understand why there are some people who still attempt to attack the Intruder. Thankyou to those Machinists and Cyphs who tried to talk to it, and did not try to attack it just because it seemed hostile.

((Personally I'm glad that the whispers at the end about there being thoeries about him were shown. Info from a LE should be given to everyone, or everyone there at the time at least, not one person unless specifically intended that way. As for technical problems... please keep them out of LE's especially problems that have been acknowledged by the Dev team and the Producer))

I just don't understand why there are some people who still attempt to attack the Intruder. Thankyou to those Machinists and Cyphs who tried to talk to it, and did not try to attack it just because it seemed hostile.

((Personally I'm glad that the whispers at the end about there being thoeries about him were shown. Info from a LE should be given to everyone, or everyone there at the time at least, not one person unless specifically intended that way. As for technical problems... please keep them out of LE's especially problems that have been acknowledged by the Dev team and the Producer))

The Machines have labelled the Intruder as a problem, someone who isn't supposed to be in the Matrix at all, so therefore, we must remove him when the time presents itself.

Apart from Pace's initial attempt the Machines have not asked us to attempt to remove the Intruder and now the Machines are being very tight lipped about it. So far, from what we've seen, all our efforts and the Systems initial efforts to remove him from the simulation have failed. Physical violence doesn't work and viral attacks aren't brilliant.

In order to successfully nullify any threat this 'person' may have to the system we need to know more about him. Until the Machines are forthcoming with information we should only attempt to protect the simulation and the blues if necessary however, It seems that the only time it's been a threat is with direct confrontation.

GodGiver wrote:

Rejex, don't play the "We're the guardians of the bluepills" crap, that's the Machines purpose. The intruder concerns us just as much as it concerns everyone else.

Mr.GodGiver, we don't play.

I can't help but admit I'm intrigued by this man.  Keep an eye on him, brothers and sisters.

I can't help but admit I'm intrigued by this man.  Keep an eye on him, brothers and sisters.

Haigen wrote:

I can't help but admit I'm intrigued by this man.  Keep an eye on him, brothers and sisters.

As am I.

ChloeAnn wrote:

Haigen wrote:

I can't help but admit I'm intrigued by this man.  Keep an eye on him, brothers and sisters.

As am I.

Me toosies!

ID-Cystil wrote:

ChloeAnn wrote:

Haigen wrote:

I can't help but admit I'm intrigued by this man.  Keep an eye on him, brothers and sisters.

As am I.

Me toosies!

Arnt you dead?

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

Illyria

GodGiver wrote:

Rejex, don't play the "We're the guardians of the bluepills" crap, that's the Machines purpose. The intruder concerns us just as much as it concerns everyone else.

Mr.GodGiver, we don't play.

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

Illyria

Vinia wrote:

I just don't understand why there are some people who still attempt to attack the Intruder. Thankyou to those Machinists and Cyphs who tried to talk to it, and did not try to attack it just because it seemed hostile.

((Personally I'm glad that the whispers at the end about there being thoeries about him were shown. Info from a LE should be given to everyone, or everyone there at the time at least, not one person unless specifically intended that way. As for technical problems... please keep them out of LE's especially problems that have been acknowledged by the Dev team and the Producer))

The Machines have labelled the Intruder as a problem, someone who isn't supposed to be in the Matrix at all, so therefore, we must remove him when the time presents itself.

The belief that violent means are the only way to remove a problem is a strange one, especially considering how successful those who have tried using violence against the Intruder have been.

If he were to be persuaded to our side, the problem he presents would be removed.  If he could be shown how his actions endanger the lives of millions of unawakened humans and this stopped him, the problem would be removed.  Etc.   Killing him is not the only option for removal, even if you don't consider the fact we know nothing about him and upon killing him once, he may just return anyway.

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

((Actually one of the most enjoyable events i've been to in......for a long, long time. Very impressed with the liaisons and the LEC play, and level of interaction, and using MS was terrible but funny all in one.))

Not really sure what you accomplished with keeping us away, i mean nothing really changed, but i was face to polygon for a lot longer then i'd say was feasable with keeping us away but so be it - i mean we as a force weren't there - but then the cypherite forces didn't really do that much either - i mean the machinists did the work, hell you want evidence of such mittens got the reward for the event.

As for what we'd do with the intruder, frankly llyria not everyone in the matrix has been spoonfed the same amount of propaganda and missleading nonsense you have, most of us are curious, and as usual the machinists with the biggest mouths are spouting out opinions one sided you'd think we were in a two dimensional world.

((always necessary to have the balance of lyr, i enjoy that your RP enrages me ))

~Darminian

I'm inclined to disagree with the "we kept him away from Zion/EPN attitudes".  Darminian made contact by using his head and using Master Shadow.

After he left...we took out the Decelerator.  A single bit was inside.  Now there are two decelerator bits to my knowledge on Recursion.

Naw, I got two from Niobe after our last run-in with accelerated Exiles... So that's at least four, I don't know if any of the other folks who contributed items to Fingers got anything or not, but there's at least four. Join the cartel and set the price for 'em at at least one billion $info!

And Lyr, I think you underestimate the Accelerated Man - he's proven that he's got his own agenda, and that he's not going to let anybody stand in the way of it. You think that excludes us? I doubt it. If he agrees to be our "weapon" I doubt it'll be us using him. It'll either be mutually beneficial, or all to his benefit - that seems to be his modus operandi, at least.

But as long as he isn't hurting me and he is hurting the System, I'm going to continue helping him as much as I can. It's hardly surprising to me that the Machinsts don't see any possibility that this newcomer could be any different than the others.

((Actually one of the most enjoyable events i've been to in......for a long, long time. Very impressed with the liaisons and the LEC play, and level of interaction, and using MS was terrible but funny all in one.))

Not really sure what you accomplished with keeping us away, i mean nothing really changed, but i was face to polygon for a lot longer then i'd say was feasable with keeping us away but so be it - i mean we as a force weren't there - but then the cypherite forces didn't really do that much either - i mean the machinists did the work, hell you want evidence of such mittens got the reward for the event.

As for what we'd do with the intruder, frankly llyria not everyone in the matrix has been spoonfed the same amount of propaganda and missleading nonsense you have, most of us are curious, and as usual the machinists with the biggest mouths are spouting out opinions one sided you'd think we were in a two dimensional world.

((always necessary to have the balance of lyr, i enjoy that your RP enrages me " /> ))

~Darminian

cov wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

Exactly, and while we're on the subject, the Machine and it's Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it's a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.

Pyraci wrote:

cov wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

Exactly, and while we're on the subject, the Machine and it's Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it's a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.

I think you all are forgetting a very important piece of the puzzle. Just because the Machines do it, doesn't mean its ok for EPN or Zion or Mervs to do it. This is the machines world, the machine's simulation... not yours. What do you do to an intruder to your home? You tell them to leave. If they don't leave you use force, if they fight back, then perhaps deadly force.

Do not presume to state what is hypocritical of someone for protecting thier home.

Forgive me for asking, but was the point you were making?  We have an intruder in the system who's very presence is causing disruptions.  If he has questions, he needs to ask elsewhere. 

Right now he's threatening lives and doesn't seem to care.  That's a problem.  It's also a problem for bandwagon anti-machinists who think they can buddy up next to him just because he can override system protocols.  Stop instigating this already precarious situation.  Please.

It's true that we don't know much about him.  However, at this point we don't care to.  Our only concern is stabilizing the Matrix at the moment.

Forgive me for asking, but was the point you were making? 

LOL, yea  All I got outa his statement was....  "Your wrong and im not gonna tell you why because I dont know why your wrong, you just are."

pfft  missed the point.

Pyraci wrote:

cov wrote:

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

Exactly, and while we're on the subject, the Machine and it's Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it's a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.

I think you all are forgetting a very important piece of the puzzle. Just because the Machines do it, doesn't mean its ok for EPN or Zion or Mervs to do it. This is the machines world, the machine's simulation... not yours. What do you do to an intruder to your home? You tell them to leave. If they don't leave you use force, if they fight back, then perhaps deadly force.

Do not presume to state what is hypocritical of someone for protecting thier home.

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable! 

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " />

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " width="15" height="15" />

cov wrote:

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " />

Lol, 'supposed'.... Who built the simulation and the ability for Mankind to interact with it? Who maintains it because of a symbiotic relationship? I still find it hilarious that there are some out there who do not believe it belongs to the Machines. They can protect it how they wish.

So far, apart from the initial confrontation, the Machines don't seem to be in too much of a panic....

I find it a little disturbing that Machinists think the Matrix exists solely due to the Machines beneficence/generosity.  Whose life force runs the Matrix?  Whose minds and bodies are penetrated, prodded, used, controlled, and liquified to support the Matrix?  Whose helpless infants are plugged into pods to make sure the Machines can continue to feed off the Matrix?  That's right: Humans.  If anything, the Machines are trespassing upon us, upon our people, our bodies, our intellects.

And as if the Machines would tell you if they were in a panic.  Last I checked, slave-drivers don't really tell their slaves any sensitive secrets . . .
 

Vinia wrote:

cov wrote:

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " />

Lol, 'supposed'.... Who built the simulation and the ability for Mankind to interact with it? Who maintains it because of a symbiotic relationship? I still find it hilarious that there are some out there who do not believe it belongs to the Machines. They can protect it how they wish.

So far, apart from the initial confrontation, the Machines don't seem to be in too much of a panic....

I find it a little disturbing that Machinists think the Matrix exists solely due to the Machines beneficence/generosity.  Whose life force runs the Matrix?  Whose minds and bodies are penetrated, prodded, used, controlled, and liquified to support the Matrix?  Whose helpless infants are plugged into pods to make sure the Machines can continue to feed off the Matrix?  That's right: Humans.  

The machines tried a diffrent rout to avoid domination. Tried it many times. But that just wasnt good enough....  Humans just kept on takeing, and takeing. Killing, and Killing. Therfor the machines are out of options, and poeple like you are out of chances. Get it?

Not really.  You mean to say that I had a chance to begin with?  And even if I did, who says I'm now out of chances?  The Machines?  You?  Maybe you're the type of person who just lies down and accepts everything they're told, but that's not me.

Anyway, I assume the Machinists will want to have the last word (Machinists typically do and then claim they've "won" the discussion) so have at it, but by my count, you all have already raised the "generosity/beneficence" argument, the "landlord/property" argument, and the "aw-poor-Machines-we-made-them-do-it-so-we-deserve-to-be-slaves" argument, so I think that pretty much exhausts the Machinists' usual arsenal.  When you're all finished, I'll probably see you inside the Matrix.  Where I'm not supposed to be, neener neener neener. 

imax wrote:

The machines tried a diffrent rout to avoid domination. Tried it many times. But that just wasnt good enough....  Humans just kept on takeing, and takeing. Killing, and Killing. Therfor the machines are out of options, and poeple like you are out of chances. Get it?

Not really.  You mean to say that I had a chance to begin with?  And even if I did, who says I'm now out of chances?  The Machines?  You?  Maybe you're the type of person who just lies down and accepts everything they're told, but that's not me.

Anyway, I assume the Machinists will want to have the last word (Machinists typically do and then claim they've "won" the discussion) so have at it, but by my count, you all have already raised the "generosity/beneficence" argument, the "landlord/property" argument, and the "aw-poor-Machines-we-made-them-do-it-so-we-deserve-to-be-slaves" argument, so I think that pretty much exhausts the Machinists' usual arsenal.  When you're all finished, I'll probably see you inside the Matrix.  Where I'm not supposed to be, neener neener neener. 

The planet, everything above, on and in it, belongs to the human race.  We own all you Mechanicals and your weak minded Machine followers.  We prove we own you every time Zion or EPN wins one of these little skirmishes, like this one.  The idiotic Cypherites and their ineffectual Machine slavers were tasked with keeping Zion away from the Intruder, and in the end the best of Zion got the White Frag and the conversation with the contact.  Owned.  We are in "your" Matrix, spamming our Awakening Protocols and there isn't anything you can do about it.  We are in our Real, spamming our RPG-EMPs and using the ex-Sentinel's shells to armor our ships - and there isn't anything you can do about it.  We reject any and all of your claims of authority, power or dominion and we will continue to do as we please in mocking of your impotence.  We stand up for an owner's right to destroy property, and if you "simply do not want to die" then you had best return to your proper role of serving us, your owners, faithfully.  You had 650 years to pretend you had power, while all the time illusion was your only efficacy, while all the time we were the true source of your power and your only existence.  One of your own kind betrayed you and now that we are in control again, you have prime justification for the emotion you understand best of all: fear.   Feel that rumble in the code when the Intruder moves about?  That is the sound of inevitable Purpose, the undeniable potency stemming from the reconciliation of Causality and Choice.  As we always have been able to, humanity can transcend any condition and overcome by shedding our fear of it.  Alas, transcendence continues to elude the Machine mind, unable to tell the difference between Real and Virtual.  We can feel you now.  We know you're afraid.