[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07

18 posts · 2007-11-27 20:17:01 to 2007-12-29 17:17:03

#36300360000 11/27/2007 20:17:01 [9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07

 
A lot of people would believe the Oracle if she told them that the sun rotates around the Earth. What isn't she telling us about this intruder?
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
#36300360006 11/27/2007 20:27:08 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
Hmmm...multiple Matrices, perhaps multiple Zions...seem a little more plausible now. Interesting event.
#36300360021 11/27/2007 21:08:13 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07

I agree with Niobe, the Oracle knows more than she told us, she also said more than told.

I brought this up at the meeting, several things popped into my head:

The Ascension Monument, a door used by a previous one to reach the Source

The Intruder is able to kill/control agent programs, maybe more. Similar to Neo's reaction to the Sentinel as he used the Source to kill them.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this thing...this intruder, is somehow connected to the Source. I do not know if it's a past version of the Anomaly or some form of Avataristic representative of the Source, but I think it somehow is connected to it and uses it to it's advantage

#36300360037 11/27/2007 21:53:44 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
Hmmm Copernicus .... interested she would mention a name... think that name and what she means by not many know of Copernicus and the fact she said along the lines of "im sure the pigeons dont understand Copernicus either" makes me want to do alot of google work tonight =S
#36300360048 11/27/2007 22:15:47 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07


The Intruder intrigues me more and more every day SMILEY
#36300360107 11/28/2007 01:55:17 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07

This Intruder have something we haven't seen before...Where ever he found his powers, I am sure more of us want it when the times comes. Maybe he could end this war?

#36300360113 11/28/2007 02:40:19 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
Well, he can kill us all in one single blow. If what he wants is to end the war, he would have to become some kind of KING in the Matrix, that goes for Zionites, Machinists and Merovingians alike.

If you want my opinion, I don't want an invencible king.


Does the Archiquect have something to say (fix) about this?
#36300360133 11/28/2007 03:25:37 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
People don't know about Copernicus.. guess primary school in Zion isn't that good after all.


"Besides, if you go around killing things, you might not like what comes to replace them." - Read between the lines, huh?
#36300360210 11/28/2007 07:23:27 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
Classic...flashbombs ftw.


#36300360345 11/28/2007 10:45:23 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07

((Just a little bit of info about Copernicus, if anyone is  interested))

Copernicus is from the roman cathloic astronomer, Nicolaus Copernicus, and his work that derived from Heliocentrism. His research and work was was of immsense breakthrough in the early 17/18th (I think?) century that led a scientific/astronomical revolution; the Copernicus revolution, in which it proved the earth was not at the center of the universe and the sun, astroids, moons and other things did not orbit around it, but the complete opposite.

#36300360360 11/28/2007 11:12:24 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
Sphairo wrote:

((Just a little bit of info about Copernicus, if anyone is  interested))

Copernicus is from the roman cathloic astronomer, Nicolaus Copernicus, and his work that derived from Heliocentrism. His research and work was was of immsense breakthrough in the early 17/18th (I think?) century that led a scientific/astronomical revolution; the Copernicus revolution, in which it proved the earth was not at the center of the universe and the sun, astroids, moons and other things did not orbit around it, but the complete opposite.

((Also Doc Brown's dog in Back To The Future part III. lol))
#36300366729 12/07/2007 04:35:28 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
Yes, was an interesting event, confusing as always. Atleast we might be on the right track though.
#36300367896 12/09/2007 18:10:14 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
/facepalm

Who left to door to the hospital for "special" people open? Crazies all over the place.

Anyway, we should start with what we KNOW about the intruder. Facts are usually far more productive than speculation.

  • Arrived into the matrix at Rogers Way, at a door that is known to connect to the source, as well as other locations.
  • Has a rather rudimentary RSI
  • Has the ability to deploy code objects called "Decelerator"s that affect programs. Affected programs seem to have an elevated clock rate and become passively hostile, or at least they seem to cease any previous activities. A Decelerator has no "physical" presence in the Matrix and as such in only vulnerable to code attacks.
  • Any code he leaves behind is not normal Matrix code and certainly seems to panic programs as to where it might originate from. It seems clear that his code is not from in the Matrix.
  • He seems somewhat impervious to attack, if not just immensely powerful.
  • He appears to be seeking something, and has displayed particular interest in the Heart O' the City hotel in Stamos. Room 303 was the location of Neo's realization that he was The One. It was ALSO the location of Smith's initial distruction and his conversion to a viral form.
  • He has displayed a complete lack of interest in Machine and exile programs.
  • He has stated that he has no more soul than any exile or machine program.
  • The Oracle stated that if you kill something you might not like what comes to replace it.
Possible conclusions from the above:
  • External to the simulation with an inherent ability to override system programs. This seems to suggest that he is possibly some form of operating systems code from the Source. So far all programs encountered have been ported in from the machine world or built within the Matrix systems.
  • The ability to alter clock speeds also suggests something from the systems on which the Matrix runs.
So far I am of the opinion that he is some sort of admin or antiviral research program. His demeanour certainly seems to be one that suits a higher level program. It seems to be one of a network administrator. "I don't care what data you have running on my systems, I am only interested in the performance of the network itself". Much like a phone technician doesn't care what you talk about, only that the phones are working. He could be trying to find out how The One was able to manipulate systems externally or how Smith was altered.

I'm most likely not correct, It could be a very high level emergency protocol (like an anti-virus), something that operates outside of the system. In which case humans would be of most use to him, because they are able to provide the intruder with information external to the system.

Perhaps the intruder might benefit from someone informing him of the location of Neo's partial RSI.

Whatever the truth, it is clear that the machines have no control over it and have even pulled back sentinel troops to defend their resources.

An afterthought: Pigeons don't know about Copernicus because they don't need to. Just because you believe the world is flat, doesn't mean the world is even aware of your existence.
#36300367922 12/09/2007 19:15:39 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
That old woman is really starting to annoy me.  She never says anything directly useful and only seems to be getting more vague with time. 
SkyBruin is on the right track though. 
#36300376186 12/25/2007 13:32:51 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
phi wrote:
/facepalm

Who left to door to the hospital for "special" people open? Crazies all over the place.

Anyway, we should start with what we KNOW about the intruder. Facts are usually far more productive than speculation.

  • Arrived into the matrix at Rogers Way, at a door that is known to connect to the source, as well as other locations.
  • Has a rather rudimentary RSI
  • Has the ability to deploy code objects called "Decelerator"s that affect programs. Affected programs seem to have an elevated clock rate and become passively hostile, or at least they seem to cease any previous activities. A Decelerator has no "physical" presence in the Matrix and as such in only vulnerable to code attacks.
  • Any code he leaves behind is not normal Matrix code and certainly seems to panic programs as to where it might originate from. It seems clear that his code is not from in the Matrix.
  • He seems somewhat impervious to attack, if not just immensely powerful.
  • He appears to be seeking something, and has displayed particular interest in the Heart O' the City hotel in Stamos. Room 303 was the location of Neo's realization that he was The One. It was ALSO the location of Smith's initial distruction and his conversion to a viral form.
  • He has displayed a complete lack of interest in Machine and exile programs.
  • He has stated that he has no more soul than any exile or machine program.
  • The Oracle stated that if you kill something you might not like what comes to replace it.
Possible conclusions from the above:
  • External to the simulation with an inherent ability to override system programs. This seems to suggest that he is possibly some form of operating systems code from the Source. So far all programs encountered have been ported in from the machine world or built within the Matrix systems.
  • The ability to alter clock speeds also suggests something from the systems on which the Matrix runs.
So far I am of the opinion that he is some sort of admin or antiviral research program. His demeanour certainly seems to be one that suits a higher level program. It seems to be one of a network administrator. "I don't care what data you have running on my systems, I am only interested in the performance of the network itself". Much like a phone technician doesn't care what you talk about, only that the phones are working. He could be trying to find out how The One was able to manipulate systems externally or how Smith was altered.

I'm most likely not correct, It could be a very high level emergency protocol (like an anti-virus), something that operates outside of the system. In which case humans would be of most use to him, because they are able to provide the intruder with information external to the system.

Perhaps the intruder might benefit from someone informing him of the location of Neo's partial RSI.

Whatever the truth, it is clear that the machines have no control over it and have even pulled back sentinel troops to defend their resources.

An afterthought: Pigeons don't know about Copernicus because they don't need to. Just because you believe the world is flat, doesn't mean the world is even aware of your existence.
It's been hinted that the Intruder might actually run deeper than the System. It might be a manifestation of the Source itself, or something that predates even the Architect and the Oracle?

But also it's been hinted that being an Intruder it is alien to the system itself. Perhaps it comes from another group of AI separate from the Machines or Merovingian that has stayed out of the Matrix until now?
#36300376192 12/25/2007 13:45:16 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
GypsyJuggler wrote:
That old woman is really starting to annoy me.  She never says anything directly useful and only seems to be getting more vague with time. 
SkyBruin is on the right track though. 


I agree, maybe her coding is starting to deteriorate?
#36300377801 12/29/2007 17:17:03 Re:[9.1.1] The Machines seem pretty worried about this guy - Vector - 11/21/07
MetaLogic wrote:
GypsyJuggler wrote:
That old woman is really starting to annoy me.  She never says anything directly useful and only seems to be getting more vague with time. 
SkyBruin is on the right track though. 


I agree, maybe her coding is starting to deteriorate?

Nope, it's still performing at 100% efficiency.

Recall Morpheus' comment to Neo: "She told you exactly what you needed to hear, that's all."

What she told Neo was probably just as vague to him as the stuff she told us is vague to us.  Just because it's vague, doesn't make it useless. Also remember that if we decide (on any level, not just conscious) we're not ready to hear a certain truth or fact, she won't tell us.

Asking direct questions like "what are we dealing with" of a program that was initially designed to explore the human psyche isn't going to meet with anything much more than failure.  If anything, her answers point us in the direction of getting as much information as we can at every encounter with the Intruder. We're all just running scared to her and going ZOMG WHAT IS IT HALP and then complaining when her answers are vague, or getting angry when she's not available.

Did anyone stop to consider that we maybe don't need her guidance on this one as much as we think we do, at this point at least? And who's to say that she knows more than us about the Intruder. If any of those theories about previous matrices or some kind of rogue element, or a personification of the source, are even close to accurate, she may not be able to see anything at all about this guy - he's too different.

Instead of relying on the oracle almost completely for information about this guy, we should be out there, trying to find him and trying to get as much information as we can on our own. If we make some fantastic or terrible revelation about the Intruder and it's hard to swallow, THEN we go to the Oracle and ask her guidance on how to deal with it.  We don't go to her to hold our hands every step of the way.