[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07

52 posts · 2007-11-14 18:34:02 to 2008-04-01 20:30:03

#36300353223 11/14/2007 18:34:02 [8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07

 
Not all data recovered from the Zion mainframe was relevant. However...I am aware that operative opinions on what is and is not relevant differ. I have also observed that some operatives become distracted and irritable if they are not involved in speculation on a subject that invites doubt and uncertainty. Much was written by authors on this human desire for "the unknown." In my experience, it often results in wasted resources.
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
#36300353224 11/14/2007 18:36:31 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Hopefully we will recover some useful information from the ZAITSO program in the near future.
#36300353230 11/14/2007 18:44:17 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Huh. And I thought Anome had problems.
#36300353236 11/14/2007 18:55:00 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Man's dependence on Machines.
#36300353269 11/14/2007 19:49:29 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
He's a creepy one... totally thought it was his sex bot.
#36300353273 11/14/2007 19:52:16 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
There are some really good one liners in this dialogue. "Describe zoloft"
But my favorite is
"plan to have a spontaneous day tomorrow!"

#36300353316 11/14/2007 21:00:28 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
that looked like a funny event. wish i was on syntax for it =(

... oh wait, no i don't. but it still looked funny.
#36300353317 11/14/2007 21:02:58 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
lol  lots of good Iyr screenies in there, which is odd since its syntax
#36300353323 11/14/2007 21:26:04 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Poor Cp....how the *CENSORED* do you pronounce that?
#36300353330 11/14/2007 21:38:16 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Archer88 wrote:
Poor Cp....how the *CENSORED* do you pronounce that?
It's either "Spar" or it's simply the noise you make after one of those terrible cough/sneezes.
#36300353338 11/14/2007 22:00:52 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Anyone remember this?

DR. SBAITSO?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sbaitso

SMILEY nice one rare.


#36300353346 11/14/2007 22:15:09 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
(( too bad I couldn't be on for this, it looked like a riot  SMILEY ))
#36300353350 11/14/2007 22:24:43 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Most.Difficult.Program.Ever.
#36300353351 11/14/2007 22:27:03 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Rainman wrote:
Anyone remember this?

DR. SBAITSO?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sbaitso

SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> nice one rare.



Hah, that's a pretty nice find. From what I could tell from the event though, the ZAITSO/SBAITSO seemed more like SIMLO's idea. SMILEY
#36300353353 11/14/2007 22:30:03 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Hmm, I sincerely hope something useful comes from the study of this ZAITSO, otherwise we pooled the Machine resources together to recover someone's missing imaginary friend...
#36300353382 11/15/2007 00:39:25 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
This bot reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember...

"Hello, I'm NG Resonance. What would you like to talk about, Alex D?"

Oh yeah, god she got annoying.
#36300353398 11/15/2007 01:50:15 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
You machines are pathetic, you choose to deprive someone of the only friend he had to gain a program which your leader had already declared worthless - and you wonder why Cphar didn't want to join you?!!

Was that little program really worth messing up his life? I only hope he can perhaps learn to rely on people and that some good may come out of your lowly actions.
#36300353406 11/15/2007 02:37:05 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
FrozenFyre wrote:
You machines are pathetic, you choose to deprive someone of the only friend he had to gain a program which your leader had already declared worthless - and you wonder why Cphar didn't want to join you?!!

Was that little program really worth messing up his life? I only hope he can perhaps learn to rely on people and that some good may come out of your lowly actions.
If someone is relying on a simple program to keep their life together from a psychological standpoint, there isn't much life to mess up. 
#36300353412 11/15/2007 03:15:51 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Tenshi wrote:
If someone is relying on a simple program to keep their life together from a psychological standpoint, there isn't much life to mess up. 

Agreed. In any case the program was relatively simplistic compared to other programs such as SIMLO. I'm sure if he was desperate enough to have what can only be described as an extention of an imaginary friend, he could program another. Besides we didn't deprive him of the program, he stored it in a database and didn't retrieve it before leaving for New Zion... he left it. Who knows maybe this turn of events may lead that man to overcome his problems and include himself with his community, or maybe not. We all have to make choices when life throws us curveball, life isn't fair and now choice about his own future is his to make...
#36300353417 11/15/2007 03:30:09 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Your words may be logical, but they are not justification

Are you truly so cold?
#36300353423 11/15/2007 03:45:20 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Oi, shush you. I wanted to make a copy of ZAITSO and hand the original back to Cpahr. And whatever we may find out about Popper from this program, I sincerely hope we can return it to Cpahr as soon as we're done with it. The man needs help, and though he shrugged off our offers of support, I think he deserves it. To Zionites that know him: buck your ideas up and help the poor lad. Now you know how he feels, so do something about it.

sontag wrote:
This bot reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember...

"Hello, I'm NG Resonance. What would you like to talk about, Alex D?"

Oh yeah, god she got annoying.
Heh, good call! I remember her.

#36300353428 11/15/2007 03:54:18 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Do you think Cphar will be pleased about his 'friend' being copied for our use? It may after all have... intimate details about him as well as this Michael, who may or may not be Popper. He may not even accept it back possibly thinking we've made modifications to it. Of course we could elect not to tell him, but if we were handing back his program then the program might divulge that information to him anyway... If he truly is dependant on the program, that he has been without for a while now, then he'll take it back anyway. As Proc said... this may make some Zionites who know of Cphar actually notice Cphar and try to help him.. heh, if he even wants help....
#36300353431 11/15/2007 03:59:34 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Hm.. Two of my daughters happen to be exilic in nature, they of course aren't programmed simplistically, but they are far from imaginary.
 
They both have the power, and the will to love and live in a future where they should not be in constant fear of the Machine Deletion list simply because of whom they are or from what race they come.

All sentient life has the capability to love. Why ruin a mans obvious only friend, whether it be imaginary or not in your eyes, for personal "safety".  I do not doubt Gray's Scanning capability when he said it was useless to you folk.. I suppose it is a manner of that those with an overtly twitchy trigger finger and a xenophobic disposition outnumber those who can see a situation NOT ONLY with logic and proportions but with a sense of sympathy and care for someone else regardless from whom they decide to work for (rather he was moreso "imprisoned" in a zion asylum most likely, making it probably impossible for him to turn)., and in honest I highly doubt Ziatsu will grow to explode the matrix into thousands of code bits.


#36300353455 11/15/2007 04:35:38 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
You are implying that the program Ziatsu is sentient. Of course this cannot be determined completely just by a conversation and specific parameters have always eluded mankind in how to determine sentience. It is however, widely established that a shell that has been limited, simplistic programming which emulates feelings and appearance with no evidence of growth beyond a memory is not sentient, much like the work of robotics in mankind's history before AI of course there are always exceptions.

Regardless, the current view on this subject is about the man Cphar rather than his apparently useless program. In some eyes he is seen as someone who needs help by giving his 'friend' back to him, others suggest that they are helping him by removing this 'imaginary' friend. Some may say that he does not need help and to leave him alone.  However, this is a situation that forces others to make the decision and they will make it in the way that they believe will help him. So suggesting that we/they do not show any sympathy is false, it is merely how the person making the decision and the person observing the decision differ in that area.
#36300353669 11/15/2007 08:54:47 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07

What Tranque said in a nice formal manner I agree upon. Now I'll just say it in mine.

Machinists you disgust me.  With the crackheads joining the System's cause these days I guess anything could be thought of as an excuse for wiping people out... hope the next excuse won't be that he had green hair. Try doing us all a favor, and when I say all I mean mankind - free your mind, aight? Bootlicking faschists!

#36300353673 11/15/2007 08:59:40 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
How quaint. Wiping people out? You can't be talking about the other night's events; we didn't kill or even touch a soul.

Oh, no, my mistake. We did touch people. Gray kicked some Cypherites out of the room.
#36300353684 11/15/2007 09:14:16 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Synapse777 wrote:

What Tranque said in a nice formal manner I agree upon. Now I'll just say it in mine.

Machinists you disgust me.  With the crackheads joining the System's cause these days I guess anything could be thought of as an excuse for wiping people out... hope the next excuse won't be that he had green hair. Try doing us all a favor, and when I say all I mean mankind - free your mind, aight? Bootlicking faschists!

ROFL....

What Proc said....
#36300353712 11/15/2007 09:52:01 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Procurator wrote:
Oi, shush you. I wanted to make a copy of ZAITSO and hand the original back to Cpahr. And whatever we may find out about Popper from this program, I sincerely hope we can return it to Cpahr as soon as we're done with it. The man needs help, and though he shrugged off our offers of support, I think he deserves it. To Zionites that know him: buck your ideas up and help the poor lad. Now you know how he feels, so do something about it.

sontag wrote:
This bot reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember...

"Hello, I'm NG Resonance. What would you like to talk about, Alex D?"

Oh yeah, god she got annoying.
Heh, good call! I remember her.

Fair enough Proc, I do realise that not all of you entirely supported the retention of the program, but I still am surprised at the ability of some machinists to deprive him of a friend and an aid. The fact that he MAY be rehabilitated because of this does not justify it at all. The program was there to aid him in communication with other, to support him - nothing you've said so far justifies taking it away from him.
#36300353719 11/15/2007 09:59:18 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Unfortunately, it came down to a tactical advantage. The only reason we took it away was because we thought we might be able to gain some insight into Michael Popper's addled brain. The potential advantage was weighed against the immediate welfare of Cpahr and won out. We're not being mean for the sake of it.

Well, eh, having said that, there were a couple of voices that wanted to destroy ZAITSO outright, but that was before we realised how attached Cpahr was to it.
#36300353763 11/15/2007 10:56:49 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
That event was tiresome
#36300353897 11/15/2007 14:29:04 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
MxO-Insertion wrote:
Most.Difficult.Program.Ever.



You've never met TheCurit.
#36300353923 11/15/2007 14:59:42 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07

From listening-in from the sidelines, I kept thinking of a Chinese Finger Trap when considering the dialogue that was going on. SMILEY

Cphar obviously has issues and I was bitting my lip with all the honey-soaked recruitment campaign of the Machinsits. He is vulnerable and simply wished for the return of his security blanket; for whatever purpose he has for it...

I'm with Gray on this one: ZAITSO holds no useful purpose to The Machines and is just a silent confessor to whomever should wish to use it. Yet, for all their false sympathies, the Machinists voted to deprive ZAITSO from the bewildered Cphar, on the spurious pretext that it held secrets concerning The Kid.

Score 1 for the caring face of The Machines: A publicity coup if ever I saw one.

#36300353931 11/15/2007 15:11:09 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
(( What's going on here? I could have sworn there was a post by xenin at the top of this page, followed by responses from at least me then Vinia. Where have they gone? ))
#36300353936 11/15/2007 15:19:19 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
sontag wrote:
This bot reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember...

"Hello, I'm NG Resonance. What would you like to talk about, Alex D?"

Oh yeah, god she got annoying.

SmarterChild
#36300353966 11/15/2007 15:56:41 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Procurator wrote:
(( What's going on here? I could have sworn there was a post by xenin at the top of this page, followed by responses from at least me then Vinia. Where have they gone? ))

((Hey, you're right... what happened here? I don't think there was anything said in or out of character that would have required removal.... There's some funny business going on here... ))
#36300354114 11/15/2007 21:57:41 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
I understand that Ziatsu was not sentient, it is simply a matter of, just because a program does not hold a strict and "logical" purpose to Gray, does not mean it is worthless to someone else. Please return to him his friend, no matter how you judge him, it would be a nice PR move from the machines and show their general care for humanity. I hope all works out of Cpahr, the mentally ailed are humans too regardless the stigmas attached.
#36300354122 11/15/2007 22:29:34 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Tranque101 wrote:
I understand that Ziatsu was not sentient, it is simply a matter of, just because a program does not hold a strict and "logical" purpose to Gray, does not mean it is worthless to someone else. Please return to him his friend, no matter how you judge him, it would be a nice PR move from the machines and show their general care for humanity. I hope all works out of Cpahr, the mentally ailed are humans too regardless the stigmas attached.

Stigmas? Mentally Ailed? What is this? Bash the nut job's live event week? I will say not all nut jobs are as in need for a Sim to talk to or vice versa.. But some just tend to talk to... others.... then those around them.. *grins* In fact. Joe and the sim would love to hang with me being the "so-called" nut case i am. XD

But seriously Stop bashing the nut jobs this week for events.. Especially on syntax.. makes me look bad.... >_< I mean nut jobs have feelings to you know..
#36300354124 11/15/2007 22:32:59 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Did you even read my post? It was supporting Cpahr and his emotional attachment to Ziatsu. And I believe Mentally Ailed is a better term then Nutjob.
#36300354133 11/15/2007 22:57:44 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Tranque101 wrote:
Did you even read my post? It was supporting Cpahr and his emotional attachment to Ziatsu. And I believe Mentally Ailed is a better term then Nutjob.
>_> Yes I read the post. and it wasn't directed to you it was in context on the whole aspect of what these events on syntax been so far.. All related to a mentally unstable or ailed person... Sheesh no love for the weak at all
#36300354198 11/16/2007 02:57:53 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Procurator wrote:
(( What's going on here? I could have sworn there was a post by xenin at the top of this page, followed by responses from at least me then Vinia. Where have they gone? ))


 ((Yeah there was, But I was swearing, which is probably why it got removed, anyway I will say what I said again without swearing.))

 You Machinists are absolutely and totally a bunch of misreable gits, you gone and depraved a guy from his Aid. You people are without any charity or compassion. Proc and Vinia, You can take the words "Tactical Advantage" And shove it up your *Beep* because as far as I am concerned, your purely just a bunch of misreable digusting *beep*holes who just take what you *CENSORED* well please, nothing but a bunch of Thugs and Fascists.

((That should do it, I hope))

#36300354207 11/16/2007 03:29:51 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
(( Right, I shall now try to reconstruct my post. Bah, the effort...

And Mods: If you find something bad about our posts, censor the problem, not the whole post! Jurymen can keep his head level when moderating, why can't you? Moderate with moderation. ))

Dude, give it a rest. We took ZAITSO because there was a very strong possibility that it was the Kid's little toy as well, and would therefore contain useful information on him and and give us an insight into his addled brain. This potential advantage was weighed against Cpahr's immediate mental wellbeing and won out.

Unfortunately, while I think the transcript made it clear that ZAITSO may have had something to do about Popper (viz. we suddenly got all interested in it), it left out crucial lines that made it very clear:

ZAITSO: How is your friend Michael?
ZAITSO: Michael used to talk with me also. Friends are important.
ZAITSO: Michael missed Neo, right?

We didn't take ZAITSO away just for the hell of it - we had a reason. You may not like the reason, but this is war and a tactical advantage is a tactical advantage. Granted, there were a couple of voices who were calling for the program to be killed outright, but that was before we realised how important it was to Cpahr.
#36300354218 11/16/2007 03:49:32 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07

((and I said something along the lines of....))

Proc, don't bother trying to explain to him. Quite frankly I'm amazed at the fact that some people still complain over our actions and motives, due to the fact that they are not clued up on the full details. We are at war. if that program has information about the leader of our enemy then we shall be all up for trying to recover that information. You would do the same if you had the opportunity to recover some info or details about Pace or Gray. As soon as we find out the information, if there is any, about this Michael person, who may or may not be Popper, then I have no problems in giving Cphar his little program back. However, we didn't deprive him of it, he had to have had it in his posession to be deprived of it, he didn't have it, he left it when he moved to new Zion. It was just chance that the Machines still had a copy. He has survived this long without it, I honestly can't see what is wrong with keeping it a little longer. 

If it were up to Gray, he may have well have said to destroy it as he thought it was worthless, how would that have come across to the poor sap? Machinists, who have often spoken about how rash some decisions from the Machines are decided, with the idea to recover some possible info from it, to save it from possible deletion and many being in the mind to return it after.

((This is a little less eloquent than my original post, but as Proc says... Effort in repeating myself exactly... nah...))

#36300354251 11/16/2007 05:16:08 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07

It was an exercise in how we humans where reacting to the situation at hand.  And dealing with an .... annoying abnormality.  Gray was monitoring us the whole time if anyone didn't really notice.  Didn't anyone else but me find it a little unusual that we spent so much time bantering with such an insignificant program?  Normally either the Zionite would have just gotten his "puppy" back or it would have been simply deleted on the spot.  Such is the way of the Machines.  We where being used as guinea pigs again.  Gotta love that feeling don't you?  It might have some interesting information on the EPN leader we can use.  That was it's one redeeming quality.  But the major point was - Gray's intention was to STUDY US!  We are always uner constant observation be our machine counterparts.  Even though we work for them.  Even as operatives we willingly/ or sometimes unwhittingly provide them with "field study" on our human behaviors.  Perhaps we should not forget this.  Big Brother Gray is ALWAYS watching us.

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((Anyway - That was fun!  Loved coming up with some on-liners.  Ppl seemed to like my cracks about Arnold J. Rimmer (Red Dwarf reff.).  I got some tells about that SMILEY.  And a sting on Pace "If Pace where here she would have told us to kill it already!"  That was a good one SMILEY. Well you know she would have ...

Heehee - I can't help but notice these screencaps used ....
Uhm ... who's been looking at my behind *raises eyebrow*
How am I looking?  I'm lookin' niiiiiice!
And NO - I am NOT dating Vogt.

And the beautiful Illyria shot is really sweet too!  She's awesome isn't she?
And so is the gal in the moon silver dress.  Woowoo!

Gotta love those beauty shots, Huh Rarebit sweetie? ;D

Oh - the guys?  Uuuh - If Ziabotso-whatsisface had a hologramatic "H" on his forhead - he would have looked like Arnold J Rimmer from Red Dwarf.  I would say - probably about ... 3 or 4th season Red Dwarf Rimmer.  He was just about as annoying. ))

#36300354270 11/16/2007 05:52:39 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Darkhawk wrote:
((Oh - the guys?  Uuuh - If Ziabotso-whatsisface had a hologramatic "H" on his forhead - he would have looked like Arnold J Rimmer from Red Dwarf.  I would say - probably about ... 3 or 4th season Red Dwarf Rimmer.  He was just about as annoying. ))


((Red Dwarf FTW))
Archived image unavailable: Rimmer1.gif
#36300354296 11/16/2007 06:47:08 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
(( Gyah! I can't find any decent pictures of Rimmer in his green uniform.  ))

#36300354526 11/16/2007 12:42:42 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
FrozenFyre wrote:
You machines are pathetic, you choose to deprive someone of the only friend he had to gain a program which your leader had already declared worthless - and you wonder why Cphar didn't want to join you?!!

Was that little program really worth messing up his life? I only hope he can perhaps learn to rely on people and that some good may come out of your lowly actions.


I'd hoped that if he did join us, we could get him some decent psychological help -- Zion's version of a Teddy Ruxpin didn't seem to be a very good therapist for him!

Illyria

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#36300355432 11/18/2007 14:41:49 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
Grace of Darkness wrote:

























*CENSORED*. Useropts?
#36300433161 03/28/2008 15:02:45 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07


ZAITSO:  I am smarter than you think...



Hmmmm...



#36300433216 03/28/2008 17:42:45 Re:[8.3.5] Explain your function - Syntax - 11/13/07
ouuu necroing this tsk tsk trying to show something here :p
although i wonder where he has been of late.