82 posts · 2007-07-23 21:36:53 to 2007-08-10 13:45:03
Operatives,
I would like to thank those involved in the successful elimination of a terrorist-run human extraction facility in Westview. Operatives Zunion and GlueVane led System forces to the facility, following the signal from tracer program planted in one of the target subjects. Resistance at the site was soon crushed.
With your assistance, operatives, we will continue to keep the System safe and secure for generations to come.
Efficientemente,
Agent Pace,
System Liaison
Who ever said Zion was only allowed to free 1%?
The Machines, but thats also Mr. Sanders figures for how many want out thanks to the sublimital choice.Before the truce:
Oh I know, just questioning the logic behind keeping people from freeing them as they do more harm inside then out.
Oh I know, just questioning the logic behind keeping people from freeing them as they do more harm inside then out.That last parts the key. Keeping people form freeing the 1% leaves them to roam around the city and either become aware and clue in others possibly outside the 1% or lead to what happend with Anome's mom.
GamiSB wrote:Oh I know, just questioning the logic behind keeping people from freeing them as they do more harm inside then out.That last parts the key. Keeping people form freeing the 1% leaves them to roam and either become aware and not selfsubstantiate or lead to what happend to Anome's mom.
Don't think so. The Architect said "No more awakenings are to be allowed". Knowing his character and that of a Machine there is no fancy wording or hidden meanings in that. Every word is thought out and persaies in it's meaning. Thus it can logicaly be assumed that that means no more awakenings, period. Not by Zion or 01.
Although I've been wrong before so who knows, guess I'll just wait for an offical word from someone.
Don't think so. The Architect said "No more awakenings are to be allowed". Knowing his character and that of a Machine there is no fancy wording or hidden meanings in that. Every word is thought out and persaies in it's meaning. Thus it can logicaly be assumed that that means no more awakenings, period. Not by Zion or 01.
Although I've been wrong before so who knows, guess I'll just wait for an offical word from someone.
Oracle: What about the others?
Architect: What others?
Oracle: The ones that want out.
Architect: Obviously, they will be freed.
Thats basicly the truce in a nutshell. Zion is allowed to free those that want out and the ones that want out are only (suposidly) apart of the 1%.
I mean, specifically. Do you have any proof of the machines stating "Zion was allowed to free 1%"? I know about 1% rejecting the simulation from the movie. It is my belief that Zion was allowed to free as many as they could under the truce. If they were only allowed to free 1% would it have made any sense for them to overwrite Cryptos?
This is the model of how things work numerically in my opinion.
I'm only going to refer to zion operatives, not freeborn. Say there are 100 operatives and 80% are assigned to awakenings. People would be freed at a pretty steady rate and there would be turnover caused by those freed operatives in turn freeing others. What I'm trying to say is that it would grow exponentially. (More freeing more, freeing more) The only factor to slow this down would be that at some point they would come up against minds that were too strongly cemented to the program.
That is not specific. This is just the bare introduction of the truce. I've never seen that Zion was limited to 1%.
No. It doesn't make sense. Why would the Machines fear the strain caused by only releasing 1%? 99% accepted it and 1% didn't, the 1% would undoubtedly be the easiest to free, but why would Zion stop there?
"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).
As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...
Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?
You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?
Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.
Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you.
Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.
1% isn't the number freed. Its the number that have the potential to be freed. That reject the system . Rejection and wanting out go hand in hand. You don't want to stay in a place that you can't stand the smell of right? Same goes for the Matrix they don't like the smell and want out. Will all the 1% take red? I'm sure a few won't but will later hate themselves for it. Will they all want to stay red? Obviously not look at Cypher.
The age thing is only in appliance as to how they react to the truth. Think about it, who is going to come to terms faster that the world was a lie, a five year old kid or a 70 year old man. The older you are the more of a blow it is to hear the truth.
1% is not a threat. The Machines would have no reason to fear One Percent. I think you have taken one little morsel that was spoken and interpreted it to mean much more than it does. As it stands there is no evidence on either side to clarify what is indeed the truth. It is all about belief. You believe in limitations apparently. I do not. Free your mind Gami.
No limitations now - they're all "off limits". Free whoever the hell wants to be freed.
But one percent of the population of the Matrix is a rather large number. Assuming there are only 3 billion bluepills plugged into the Matrix, that's 30 million who reject it subconsciously, given the one percent approximation. The Machines fear that we might awaken all of those 30 million and have them stand with us to defend our cities.
As well they should - the last I checked, the sentinel fleet hovering near Zion only numbered half a million, and that's before Stalingrad and whatever reinforcing and production they've done. But given that figure, it's a sixty to one ratio in favor of Zion.
You think they'd permit that to happen just because the inhabitants are going crazy and can no longer handle the mental and physical limitations and stress of the Matrix? Of course not - they only see the bluepills as batteries. Why else would they openly sponsor the Cypherite organization as a means to prevent awakenings during the Truce? They feared losing their power, even though it was well within our right to remove them from the System.
They don't give a *CENSORED* about the bluepills.
((Kanye West: The Architect doesn't care about bluepills.))
Oh I know, just questioning the logic behind keeping people from freeing them as they do more harm inside then out.
GamiSB wrote:Oh I know, just questioning the logic behind keeping people from freeing them as they do more harm inside then out.
Oh thats not a problem. They just kill them instead of awakening them.
Hmm seems the machines have forgotten their own design which requires a certain amount of bluepills rejecting and leaving the matrix..... Clearly any notions we may have had that the Mechs are more logical and less prone to knee jerk stupidity than humanity were misplaced, their dogmatic response is as likely to destabilise the Matrix as anything dreamed up by half wits of EPN.....
You are cowards and traitors to help the machines. For now you have purpose but what happens if Zion falls? Who will you turn to when the Machines decide you no longer have a purpose.
We have other extraction points, we will free who does who wish to take the redpill and go over your god damed 1% til every human pluged in has been given a choice.
1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...
Croesus wrote:1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...
If that were possible there would never have been a Zion in the first place. Should it be remotely true you have also clearly talked yourself out of a job, the mechs will certainly not maintain their own redpills as a charity without Zion you will be surplus to requirements.... Now I wonder what form of golden handshake the Machines would offer......... maybe..... oh no thats right 'There is no such procedure' lol.
lol((somehow... for me that's a firsttimer seeing Tytanya loling IC, makes me chuckle
))Tytanya_MxO wrote:lol((somehow... for me that's a firsttimer seeing Tytanya loling IC, makes me chuckle
))"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).
As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...
Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?
You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?
Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.
Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you.
Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.
I remember my awakening Neoteny. I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite. She told me half truths and manipulated me. She said she was saving my life. Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government. It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody. I surely would have been one of the victims. My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody. I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.
After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills. They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late. I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda. I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them. In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense. It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives. They don't consider blue pills human.
The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely. The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger. Well that still was not good enough for Zionites.
Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again. And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again. I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion. They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there. The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet. Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish. Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction. No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.
Tytanya_MxO wrote:I'd like to see proof that they would be able to keep people that want out in the Matrix. Entire "crops" were lost because people didn't have a choice. But if that were the case, the Oracle would be obsolete, in this respect. She facilitates of the choice and that doesn't exist anymore, if this is what you're talking about.Croesus wrote:1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...
If that were possible there would never have been a Zion in the first place. Should it be remotely true you have also clearly talked yourself out of a job, the mechs will certainly not maintain their own redpills as a charity without Zion you will be surplus to requirements.... Now I wonder what form of golden handshake the Machines would offer......... maybe..... oh no thats right 'There is no such procedure' lol.
The risk factor is lessened in allowing redpills to leave the simulation, but as I stated it is possible for them to remain inside at the cost of heightened risk to the simulation. Our job of protecting the Matrix, working alongside the Machines, will be needed as long as long as Humankind are plugged into the system and in cases of self substantiation. Because of this we will be needed more than ever!
Croesus wrote:Unless self substantiating, which doesn't happen often, people who reject the simulation are only released from it by their own death (possibly self inflicted due to seeing things others can't) or by being released by other people. For example, Neo rejected the simulation because he subconsciously rejected it. If there were no one to wake Neo, he would have lived his life like others but aware that there was something wrong...Tytanya_MxO wrote:I'd like to see proof that they would be able to keep people that want out in the Matrix. Entire "crops" were lost because people didn't have a choice. But if that were the case, the Oracle would be obsolete, in this respect. She facilitates of the choice and that doesn't exist anymore, if this is what you're talking about.Croesus wrote:1% reject it as per the simulations restrictions but it does not mean that they need to be freed, they can still exist within the simulation and monitored by Machinist operatives. Any self substantiating bluepill will be met and explained of the situation from Machinist operatives...
If that were possible there would never have been a Zion in the first place. Should it be remotely true you have also clearly talked yourself out of a job, the mechs will certainly not maintain their own redpills as a charity without Zion you will be surplus to requirements.... Now I wonder what form of golden handshake the Machines would offer......... maybe..... oh no thats right 'There is no such procedure' lol.
The risk factor is lessened in allowing redpills to leave the simulation, but as I stated it is possible for them to remain inside at the cost of heightened risk to the simulation. Our job of protecting the Matrix, working alongside the Machines, will be needed as long as long as Humankind are plugged into the system and in cases of self substantiation. Because of this we will be needed more than ever!
Keeping people that want freedom locked up will only result in disaster. It has been this way throughout human history and will be as long as human beings exist. The Machinists are so set on calling our kind out as deviant and violent, but that goes for the blues that want out as well.
There's a reason that choice existed, and unless you do what the Cypherites in the Syntax instance have taken up arms to attempt(killing anyone that questions), it's going to be a very different threat without it.
Unless self substantiating, which doesn't happen often, people who reject the simulation are only released from it by their own death (possibly self inflicted due to seeing things others can't) or by being released by other people. For example, Neo rejected the simulation because he subconsciously rejected it. If there were no one to wake Neo, he would have lived his life like others but aware that there was something wrong...
Crops were lost due to an absence of a choice, not if they chose to reject the simulation but weren't allowed out.
The Oracle is required as her program provides a choice to all bluepills on a subconscious level, that is her function.
Zion exists because of the choice the Oracle gives. Choosing out and never being able to get out defeats the purpose of the choice. A slave screaming and yelling "I want out" and never getting out does nothing, but *CENSORED* everyone around him/her off, or convince them to want out too.
There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.
People can only want freedom if they know for a fact there is a 'freedom' otherwise they would live their lives sure or unsure of what is wrong, being unable to convince those who do accept the world. But yes keeping those who know that there is something wrong with the world is dangerous to the stability of the simulation, but it can be managed.
To this point in history, it hasn't been managed, and saying that it can is an assumption. Where's the hard evidence?
Croesus wrote:The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious.Unless self substantiating, which doesn't happen often, people who reject the simulation are only released from it by their own death (possibly self inflicted due to seeing things others can't) or by being released by other people. For example, Neo rejected the simulation because he subconsciously rejected it. If there were no one to wake Neo, he would have lived his life like others but aware that there was something wrong...
Crops were lost due to an absence of a choice, not if they chose to reject the simulation but weren't allowed out.
The Oracle is required as her program provides a choice to all bluepills on a subconscious level, that is her function.
Zion exists because of the choice the Oracle gives. Choosing out and never being able to get out defeats the purpose of the choice. A slave screaming and yelling "I want out" and never getting out does nothing, but *CENSORED* everyone around him/her off, or convince them to want out too.
There's no point in talking about choice if there is none. Either there is one or there isn't. Plain and simple.
People can only want freedom if they know for a fact there is a 'freedom' otherwise they would live their lives sure or unsure of what is wrong, being unable to convince those who do accept the world. But yes keeping those who know that there is something wrong with the world is dangerous to the stability of the simulation, but it can be managed.
To this point in history, it hasn't been managed, and saying that it can is an assumption. Where's the hard evidence?
Neoteny wrote:"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).
As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...
Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?
You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?
Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.
Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you.
Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.I remember my awakening Neoteny. I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite. She told me half truths and manipulated me. She said she was saving my life. Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government. It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody. I surely would have been one of the victims. My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody. I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.
After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills. They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late. I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda. I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them. In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense. It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives. They don't consider blue pills human.
The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely. The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger. Well that still was not good enough for Zionites.
Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again. And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again. I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion. They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there. The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet. Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish. Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction. No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.
You know what you sound like, Satta? A Cypherite. Deny it all you want, that's their stance. Stop the awakenings by any means necessary.
You know nothing of our means, you know nothing of our operations, and you base your opinions of Zion solely on the radical actions of your own family and of Morpheus. You are too bullheaded to realize that there are different people in Zion, and that most of them were awakened post-Truce and do care about both redpills and bluepills. I mean, come on, we've heard from both Niobe, the Kid, and all liaisons involved that they do not wish to see any bluepills be harmed in the war.
And what could have saved your friends? Oh, I don't know, maybe if the Machines didn't order the unnecessary attacks on extractions? We're trying to give people the out they want. The Machines are trying to stop that. I know they're just following orders, but the Machines *CENSORED* well have the power to change the orders.
You've got a troubled past so far as awakenings go, but you've got to get over it and realize that the majority are not like you in that sense. We are going to free minds, and they will try to stop us. Not for the safety of the bluepills, because they would sooner kill those who we are extracting than let them live free, but for their fears. They fear that they will join Zion, they fear that we will outnumber the Machines. They fear that they will help us win.
And you know what, Satta? If you'd been awakened in this time, you'd be dead. Not by any of Zion's means, but by the Machines' and your own. And that, is the truth of the situation.
Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us.
Not been reading, man?
They kinda just did.
Havocide wrote:I say again. Will.Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us.
Not been reading, man?
They kinda just did.
Tranta wrote:Havocide wrote:I say again. Will.Extractions happened before the truce, they will continue even now its gone. Time to live with it Machines, or try to *CENSORED* stop us.
Not been reading, man?
They kinda just did.
The choice is not if you want in or out of the simulation, it is to whether you accept or reject the reality presented to you. People don't choose out they choose to reject the notion that the world around them is real. This choice is real, this choice is present, this choice is subconscious.
Vinia, not everybody is like the Cypherites. The majority of us that reject it, want out of it. That's human nature. To allow people to reject it and not let them out is going back to the same crap we went through in the beginning. And if that's the case, we're going back to what we've been doing in this war - getting them out anyway.
Zion exists because initially the Machines needed somewhere to house the Humans who have been released from the system allowing the function of the One to cycle, i.e. to release him from the system etc...
Yes, it is true I assume that it can be managed. I assume this because the Machines would not voluntarily do something without regards of the consequences. The consequences being the instability and possible failure of the simulation in total.
I see the "crops" of the first few versions of this lie are proof of that. Good game.
If you require hard evidence then how about not releasing anyone for a while.....
How about no? Unlike your colleagues, I'm not willing to deny human beings the truth because Colonel Sanders finds it fitting to react that way.
Satta wrote:Neoteny wrote:"The ones that want out" are those who subconsciously reject the System. Zion was not permitted to free those who were unaware of the System, and subconsciously accepted the System without a problem, as they do not "want out" (they don't know there is an out, and might not even believe it if they did).
As for this... operation, and the redpills that assisted in it...
Do you not remember your roots? Would you remain questioning the existence of not only yourselves but of the so called world around you within the simulation?
You are killing your own. Forcing a worthless existence upon those who do not desire it. And why? Because they told you to? Because there is no longer a Truce?
Some things change depending upon the circumstances surrounding them. Others, such as awakenings, do not. In times of peace, and times of war, we must awaken those who are willing. Not for us, but for them. They have a right to the truth. They have a right to sanity. They have a right to understand what is truly real.
Think back to your own awakening. Imagine an Agent killing those who were aiding in your extraction. Imagine them killing you.
Now look at what you're doing. You have become the Agents in this situation, and you are killing yourselves.I remember my awakening Neoteny. I was awakened by my sister who was a Zionite. She told me half truths and manipulated me. She said she was saving my life. Not because I was in a dream world but because I worked for the government. It was only a miracle that I was not at the office the day Neo and Trinity broke Morpheus out of custody. I surely would have been one of the victims. My Father was another victim of redpill Zionites attempting to extract somebody. I have lost many friends who were attempting to stop the Zionite terrorists who were attempting to kidnap(extract) people.
After I learned the truth I understood the calousness and systematic evil that Zionites were bringing upon bluepills. They say I could not understand because I was awakened too late. I say that I was awakened too late to be brainwashed by Zionite propoganda. I accept that 1% of the simulation will become "aware," however I do not approve ov Zions methods of trying to release them. In an attempt to save one life as they call it, they take more lives in the name of self defense. It was plainly obviouse that the only lives Zionites value are redpill lives. They don't consider blue pills human.
The truce allowed blue pills to be extracted safely. The machines agreed to allow it therefore not putting any blue pills in danger. Well that still was not good enough for Zionites.
Now that the truce is over at Zions hand they are going back to the old method once again. And in doing so putting blue pills at risk again. I pledge to stop this reckless behavior by Zion. They are not the saviors of humanity and Zion does not represent all of humanity. You call the Matrix a prison when people are just living out there lives there. The real prison is waking up and learning just what your species did to the planet. Learning that there is no life left because we were selfish. Learning that humans live like cochroaches in an underground bunker cave who plot for more death and destruction. No, I am not taking lives, I am saving them.
You know what you sound like, Satta? A Cypherite. Deny it all you want, that's their stance. Stop the awakenings by any means necessary.You know nothing of our means, you know nothing of our operations, and you base your opinions of Zion solely on the radical actions of your own family and of Morpheus. You are too bullheaded to realize that there are different people in Zion, and that most of them were awakened post-Truce and do care about both redpills and bluepills. I mean, come on, we've heard from both Niobe, the Kid, and all liaisons involved that they do not wish to see any bluepills be harmed in the war.
And what could have saved your friends? Oh, I don't know, maybe if the Machines didn't order the unnecessary attacks on extractions? We're trying to give people the out they want. The Machines are trying to stop that. I know they're just following orders, but the Machines *CENSORED* well have the power to change the orders.
You've got a troubled past so far as awakenings go, but you've got to get over it and realize that the majority are not like you in that sense. We are going to free minds, and they will try to stop us. Not for the safety of the bluepills, because they would sooner kill those who we are extracting than let them live free, but for their fears. They fear that they will join Zion, they fear that we will outnumber the Machines. They fear that they will help us win.
And you know what, Satta? If you'd been awakened in this time, you'd be dead. Not by any of Zion's means, but by the Machines' and your own. And that, is the truth of the situation.
"Up to a point a man's life is shaped by environment, heredity, and movements and changes in the world about him. Then there comes a time when it lies within his grasp to shape the clay of his life into the sort of thing he wishes to be. Only the weak blame parents, their race, their times, lack of good fortune, or the quirks of fate. Everyoen has it within his power to say, "This I am today; that I will be tomorrow." - Louise L' Amour
I have repeatedly said that not all of Zion is united and on the same page and that is the problem. I cannot risk the minority group in Zion who wishes to do harm to the Matrix run loose and hide behind the newly protected walls of Zion. Zion has a history of important leaders among them going astray and causing harm. I listed the actions of Morpheus, I also mentioned Niobe destroying a power plant killing an untold number of blue pills. I mentioned Neo and Trinity blowing up the government building in downtown killing friends of mine. I mentioned Neo flying at supersonic speed through a city street destroying everything in his path just to catch Trinity from falling. I mentioned my father being killed just for doing his job. Yes, watching your father die can screw up a 5 year olds head. What makes it worst is to find out why he died.
Radical and mililitant machinist I am, Cypherite I am not. I am on the far right inside of The Collective. However I have not crossed that line into the Cypherite zone. I do not wish to be plugged back in whether it is possible or not. I do not want to kill all redpills, and I do not want to keep all bluepills asleep. I already stated that everything was fine with the truce and I had no problem with bluepills awakening. Our ultimate goal is to create an environment where one day the Matrix is no longer necessary and all humans are wheened off of it. I have stated that my problem is with how Zion goes about its business, not the fact that they are awakening blue pills. So ignore everything I have said and just label me a Cypherite if that makes you feel better. In our past people would call someone a racist just to label them and end the conversation when they have nothing else to say.
"Niobe, you were thankful that Neo bought you two years. But if you'd abided by the truce, he could have bought you *forever*." - Illyria
"Niobe, you were thankful that Neo bought you two years. But if you had stayed under the Machine's thumb ready to be crushed you could of had as many as we would allow. -
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