[8.1.1] The information we need to end this war is out there - Syntax - 7/17/07

Watch it, everyone; it's getting rough out there. There are a lot of people who need our help now more than ever.

Michael

Saw this coming. While I do not like EPN, for deciding they were to good for Zion and going off and doing their own thing, they still friends of Zion, I suppose.

Hmm... This doesn't mean attitude nor kindness towards them is going to improve at all...

Guess I'm just a jerk.

Hehehe...

If you folks need a hand, you've got my number.

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

Coro wrote:

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

I actually suggested planting explosive in the ground above, and just blowing the ground above up, thus burying New Zion in a pile of rumble. 

MetaLogic wrote:

Coro wrote:

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

I actually suggested planting explosive in the ground above, and just blowing the ground above up, thus burying New Zion in a pile of rumble. 

Maybe it would work. Maybe not. Face it, the ship never returned to report so the only thing you know about Zion's defenses is what you could visibly see in the cinematic. Though it's pretty obvious it's more than that small area..

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

Coro wrote:

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

I actually suggested planting explosive in the ground above, and just blowing the ground above up, thus burying New Zion in a pile of rumble. 

Maybe it would work. Maybe not. Face it, the ship never returned to report so the only thing you know about Zion's defenses is what you could visibly see in the cinematic. Though it's pretty obvious it's more than that small area..

Well from what we know, the machines can't attack them like they did last time, so one of the option is to drill as far as possible, plant explosives into the man holes (enough to make sure they covered all the entrance and New Zion itself.  Set off the explosives and have the entrance cave in as well as New Zion.

Must be wonderful to be so conviced you can solve every problem with violence, no matter which way you look at it EPN remain the most worthless tribe in the Matrix or out....... Although all credit to the mechs, the recent revelations have really made them a very close second, why anyone continues to work for either of these blinkered, reactionary throw backs is beyond me.

Serenipidy: whats with the black Niobe?
Niobe: Born this way.

Lol

" Although we don't all follow the same path, Our goals are for the a greater purpose than our own there for our presence will be known. We are diffrent in all the same ways. We are Zion "  

The fact that you said 'tribes' made me stop reading that....
Personally, since Zion and NEw Zion are way below ground level, you'd need an assload of concrete or explosives to bury us. And besides, the Toasters wouldn't think of that.
While I did not find this meeting to be very useful, it was good we atleast discussed possible outcomes to our current....problem. And I got to talk alot.

-Stow

We wouldn't need an 'assload' of explosives or concrete to bury you, you are already buried, all the Machines would need to do is fill in or destroy the tunnels leading into the cities. Besides, they'd probably have the firepower to tear apart the Earth, but they won't as it is their home. I think that the Machines (I doubt any of them cook bread products) probably have thought of that already, but that action would still leave an element of unknown ie. what would the buried Humans do whilst trapped?

But even if they hadn't of thought it, which I doubt they wouldn't have, thats what us Machinists are here for, to give them the benefit of Human responses and experience, so that we can show them that Man and Machine can cooperate and work together.

" Although everyone doesn't follow the same path, Our goals are for a greater purpose than our own, therefor our presence will be known. We are diffrent in all the same ways. We are Zion. "  

It might be easier if someone figured out finally that although difficult, working together with the Machines instead of destroying them would be a better solution.

MotorZ wrote:

It might be easier if someone figured out finally that although difficult, working together with the Machines instead of destroying them would be a better solution.

Yes because destroying your own race is so much better?....We never said we wish to destroy the Matrix just give a choice to everyone in The Matrix

How is working with the Machines, laying down your arms and cooperating with them, destroying Mankind? If anything it would contribute to the eventual prosperity of Man and Machine, but we would have to build cooperation and trust on both sides.

Every person is given a choice, otherwise the system would collapse like the first few versions. Yes it is subconcious, but by saying you want to give them the choice, are you stating that the subconcious is irrelevant?

RetroX wrote:

MotorZ wrote:

It might be easier if someone figured out finally that although difficult, working together with the Machines instead of destroying them would be a better solution.

Yes because destroying your own race is so much better?....We never said we wish to destroy the Matrix just give a choice to everyone in The Matrix

How is working with the Machines, laying down your arms and cooperating with them, destroying Mankind? If anything it would contribute to the eventual prosperity of Man and Machine, but we would have to build cooperation and trust on both sides.

Every person is given a choice, otherwise the system would collapse like the first few versions. Yes it is subconcious, but by saying you want to give them the choice, are you stating that the subconcious is irrelevant?

(( An interesting event, even though I was just standing outside the building for most of it  hehehe  And the screens were quite good... even if I'm not loving my shiny red plain dress shirt heh ... and I swear I'm not shooting SIMLO in that one picture, it just looks like it. 

I also loved the Niobe comment in response to the person asking about her black clothes  lol ))

It's too bad this recap skipping past my meeting Niobe outside and offering to escort her to the hardline.  She declined and told me to watch my back, of course.  Perhaps she didn't hear me properly under several Zionites who were screaming non-sensically to get away from her and them.  In any case, I am glad to hear that Niobe is expessing doubt at the EPN's offers of.. assistance.

And what I said was true, Popper.  You may sometimes have the advantage of numbers, as you did at that moment, but any breath you take in the simulation could be your last.  Of course, it seems you're already aware of that seeing how you left your followers to be mowed down by Pace's security squad the other night.  As long as you get out safe and can return to your delusions, everything is perfectly fine...

Croesus wrote:

RetroX wrote:

MotorZ wrote:

It might be easier if someone figured out finally that although difficult, working together with the Machines instead of destroying them would be a better solution.

Yes because destroying your own race is so much better?....We never said we wish to destroy the Matrix just give a choice to everyone in The Matrix

How is working with the Machines, laying down your arms and cooperating with them, destroying Mankind? If anything it would contribute to the eventual prosperity of Man and Machine, but we would have to build cooperation and trust on both sides.

Every person is given a choice, otherwise the system would collapse like the first few versions. Yes it is subconcious, but by saying you want to give them the choice, are you stating that the subconcious is irrelevant?

How is making us more confortable, giving us an acutally feel of freedom, so we can actually breath again, a point to declare war? Apart from what's being explicitly said in the truce, this war is just stupid.

Zion and E Pluribus Neo continue to entertain the illusion of hope and unity...

Pathetic.

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Croesus wrote:

RetroX wrote:

MotorZ wrote:

It might be easier if someone figured out finally that although difficult, working together with the Machines instead of destroying them would be a better solution.

Yes because destroying your own race is so much better?....We never said we wish to destroy the Matrix just give a choice to everyone in The Matrix

How is working with the Machines, laying down your arms and cooperating with them, destroying Mankind? If anything it would contribute to the eventual prosperity of Man and Machine, but we would have to build cooperation and trust on both sides.

Every person is given a choice, otherwise the system would collapse like the first few versions. Yes it is subconcious, but by saying you want to give them the choice, are you stating that the subconcious is irrelevant?

How is making us more confortable, giving us an acutally feel of freedom, so we can actually breath again, a point to declare war? Apart from what's being explicitly said in the truce, this war is just stupid.

How about the ability to attack and retreat to a fortified base with impunity? That is what this is about. If you needed more space why not tell the Machines? Why build a city with intense defences? Why entrench yourselves deeper? In preparing and expecting an attack, you've only gone and turned it into reality...

You prepare to defend yourselves for a war, So do the Machines. The only difference is The Machines consider the best defence is a strong offence.

People have a choice of whether they want to be a simulation, if only at a subconscious level, its where they feel comfortable. Only 1% choose not to accept the simulation. That isn't a figure plucked out of the air by the Machines, its a statistical fact. So in the terms of the Truce they had allowed those who rejected the simulation to awaken from it. It us understandable that Zion would not be able to hold all of the awakened and freeborn for long, it is only logical that the Machines would know this, and would probably have done nothing if a new city was built, as long as there wasn't a possibility of launching a strong military strike...

Zion and E Pluribus Neo continue to entertain the illusion of hope and unity...

Pathetic.

If you want to keep your silly standpoint, be it. Zion has yet to be able to launch a strong military strike. The way you're thinking, this stupid war can take a hell of a lot time.

GoDGiVeR wrote:

If you want to keep your silly standpoint, be it. Zion has yet to be able to launch a strong military strike. The way you're thinking, this stupid war can take a hell of a lot time.

Just because Zion has not yet launched an attack does not mean that they are incapable of it.

Neo gave his life to end the last war, I think it only right and proper the Kid leads by example and takes EPN the same route.

Neo gave his life to end the last war, I think it only right and proper the Kid leads by example and takes EPN the same route.

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Neo gave his life to end the last war, I think it only right and proper the Kid leads by example and takes EPN the same route.

I don't mind who ends this war, as long as it doesn't involve the killing of bluepills, eradication of the Machine and Zion cities and it's population.

We can built a virus to attack the system?