[8.1.1] We had to move because they had us dead to rights - Vector - 7/12/07

Neo bought us two years.

Let's show him it was enough.

-Niobe

Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.

And now, suddenly because we have the capability to defend ourselves, they want to wipe us out?

Something here doesn't add up.

Awakenings will be processed at double time, if not more quickly, if we can. I recommend that we manufacture and use as many Code Pulse Bombs as possible. Knowledge will be our salvation.

Zion offers her hand to our Machinist brothers and sisters. We realize that you may not agree with us, but we need you, now, more than ever. We're under attack, I'm sure you see that, and however it is that you view the situation the facts are simple - Zion and free humanity will die unless we have all the support we can muster. We can't promise the safety of the System, but attacking our bluepill cousins isn't any sort of goal of ours. If you would like to join the fight for humanity, we welcome you with open arms.

Zion offers her hand to our brothers and sisters in E Pluribus Neo. We are in the same boat now, and whether or not we disagree on a few issues, we are stronger united than we are separate. I formally apologize for my past viewpoints and claims against E Pluribus Neo, as they were made in an attempt to preserve a sham of a truce which was falling apart at the seam. We need you now, more than ever. Let us put the past behind us, and be as brothers not estranged, but reunited.

I will continue my work killing Cypherites in the Real. My only regret is that I did not begin work earlier... Maybe we could've kept that craft from spotting New Zion.

Niobe, the Saltpillar is ready for orders, as always.

"Give Me Peace, Or Give Me Death".

-Neoteny

Ebola wrote:

Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.

And now, suddenly because we have the capability to defend ourselves, they want to wipe us out?

Something here doesn't add up.

Awakenings will be processed at double time, if not more quickly, if we can. I recommend that we manufacture and use as many Code Pulse Bombs as possible. Knowledge will be our salvation.

Zion offers her hand to our Machinist brothers and sisters. We realize that you may not agree with us, but we need you, now, more than ever. We're under attack, I'm sure you see that, and however it is that you view the situation the facts are simple - Zion and free humanity will die unless we have all the support we can muster. We can't promise the safety of the System, but attacking our bluepill cousins isn't any sort of goal of ours. If you would like to join the fight for humanity, we welcome you with open arms.

Zion offers her hand to our brothers and sisters in E Pluribus Neo. We are in the same boat now, and whether or not we disagree on a few issues, we are stronger united than we are separate. I formally apologize for my past viewpoints and claims against E Pluribus Neo, as they were made in an attempt to preserve a sham of a truce which was falling apart at the seam. We need you now, more than ever. Let us put the past behind us, and be as brothers not estranged, but reunited.

I will continue my work killing Cypherites in the Real. My only regret is that I did not begin work earlier... Maybe we could've kept that craft from spotting New Zion.

Niobe, the Saltpillar is ready for orders, as always.

"Give Me Peace, Or Give Me Death".

-Neoteny

I think you are missing what Niobe said...

I believe that Niobe followed the ancient saying "In times of peace, prepare for war". Zion used this peace, to build an army stronger than before, and move that army and civilian population into a more fortified position. They want to try to oppose the Machines, they will not win. It is impossible to stand up to the might of the Machines. Zion wants a war, they will get one. A wise Machine once said "Surrender your flesh, we demand it."

Ebola wrote:

Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.

There is no peace and stability looking into the barrel of a loaded gun. The Truce was thrown away by the Machines. The Machines didn't wipe out Zion because it wasn't about peace, it's never been about peace, only control. Now that Zion is no longer under the Machine gunpoint control, the Machines want to wipe out Zion. Zion gave the Machines every chance they could for this Truce to become a real peace and the Machines without any known threat from Zion have thrown it all away.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Zion will not fall. Zion's existence will continue to protect all from annihilation by the Machines no matter where you stand.

I think you are missing what Niobe said...

I believe that Niobe followed the ancient saying "In times of peace, prepare for war". Zion used this peace, to build an army stronger than before, and move that army and civilian population into a more fortified position. They want to try to oppose the Machines, they will not win. It is impossible to stand up to the might of the Machines. Zion wants a war, they will get one. A wise Machine once said "Surrender your flesh, we demand it."

Yeah, we prepared.

To defend ourselves.

From this. very. action.

Are we not justified?

Ebola wrote:

Oh Niobe, first the Machines offer your kind the peace and stability of the Matrix: You throw that away. And then they offer you the peace and stability of the Truce: You throw that away too. Its true that the Machines could of wiped you out at any point, but they didn't. Its time to teach you and the rest of your unappreciative kind a lesson. A lesson that has been taught six times before. Be seeing you again soon.

And now, suddenly because we have the capability to defend ourselves, they want to wipe us out?

Something here doesn't add up.

There is no peace and stability looking into the barrel of a loaded gun. The Truce was thrown away by the Machines. The Machines didn't wipe out Zion because it wasn't about peace, it's never been about peace, only control. Now that Zion is no longer under the Machine gunpoint control, the Machines want to wipe out Zion. Zion gave the Machines every chance they could for this Truce to become a real peace and the Machines without any known threat from Zion have thrown it all away.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Zion will not fall. Zion's existence will continue to protect all from annihilation by the Machines no matter where you stand.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

I think you are missing what Niobe said...

I believe that Niobe followed the ancient saying "In times of peace, prepare for war". Zion used this peace, to build an army stronger than before, and move that army and civilian population into a more fortified position. They want to try to oppose the Machines, they will not win. It is impossible to stand up to the might of the Machines. Zion wants a war, they will get one. A wise Machine once said "Surrender your flesh, we demand it."

Zion isn't opposing the Machines. The Machines are opposing Zion's liberation form the Machine threat. The Truce was never a peace. Truces don't exist without a war to abate conflict within. Zion didn't create this war, the Machines did as a measure of control in the great deception of the Cycle of the One. The Machines want war as they've shown by attacking New Zion networks despite any known threat from Zion to 01 or the system.

Oh...my...freaking...god. Hahahahahahaha... whew, sometimes, you zionites make me laugh at how *CENSORED* *CENSORED* you all are.

r3spon5e wrote:

There is no peace and stability looking into the barrel of a loaded gun. The Truce was thrown away by the Machines. The Machines didn't wipe out Zion because it wasn't about peace, it's never been about peace, only control. Now that Zion is no longer under the Machine gunpoint control, the Machines want to wipe out Zion. Zion gave the Machines every chance they could for this Truce to become a real peace and the Machines without any known threat from Zion have thrown it all away.

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Zion will not fall. Zion's existence will continue to protect all from annihilation by the Machines no matter where you stand.

If it was about control, they'd have wiped out Zion the second Neo was dead, then restarted the cycle.  They didn't because they wanted to give us the chance to live in peace with them.  You and your ilk have spit in the face of that.

Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

Thank you Capt. Niobe. For making things a bit more understandable for us. We are all here to fight the good fight!

Vengeance Rising would be honored to be considered as one of the first fleets to be entered into service for the protection of  New Zion.

Capt. Neopill

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Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

r3spon5e wrote:

If Zion falls, we're all dead. Fight for the Machines against Zion and you fight for your own death.

Incorrect, we have shown loyalty to the machines and for that we will be spared.

r3spon5e wrote:

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Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

If its always been about control for Machines what has it been about for Zion?

I did not recall Neo dying so that he can buy Zion 2 years to prepare for war yet again.  This is trully sad and I am embarrased yet again of my human species.  Instead of using those two years to promote more peace and stronger ties, they used it to build more weapons.

And do you think the machine warfactory has been idle?

Satta wrote:

I did not recall Neo dying so that he can buy Zion 2 years to prepare for war yet again.  This is trully sad and I am embarrased yet again of my human species.  Instead of using those two years to promote more peace and stronger ties, they used it to build more weapons.

And do you think the machine warfactory has been idle?

I did not recall Neo dying so that he can buy Zion 2 years to prepare for war yet again.  This is trully sad and I am embarrased yet again of my human species.  Instead of using those two years to promote more peace and stronger ties, they used it to build more weapons.

And exactley what now, have the Machines been doing?................. Stepping on the truce. Thats what!

 It has been and always WAS a form of Machine control. What? YOu didnt expect humans to evolve to this as well? You backed us into a corner, and kept us there for far too long!

 The nerve of you to say something like this! Niobe wasn't labeling Neo's intentions, merely informing us of the fact that what he did and what he fought for is showing its head, finally! 

 He asked for peace? Yes. But I havent seen peace since my awakening. Only an attempt by the Machines to keep your fields full.

Expect Hell. Because thats what you are gonna get!

Capt. Neopill

Vengeance Rising - Protecturate of New Zion

Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

odj wrote:

r3spon5e wrote:

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Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

If its always been about control for Machines what has it been about for Zion?

Freedom.

And

Truth. Zion protects the truth Neo showed us by not allowing the return to the Cycle of the One.

And

Peace. Neo showed us the Machines will not accept change without great motivation to break them of their fixation on control. Yet the Truce was not the Peace Neo asked for. Simply another sign of the Machines fixation on control. If Zion cannot be destroyed, the Machines have to face the reality of working with Zion. Something they have never done before. A change that will take great motivation and sacrifice to promote.

A change that keeps alive the hope of a true peace for all.

Neoteny wrote:

Satta wrote:

I did not recall Neo dying so that he can buy Zion 2 years to prepare for war yet again.  This is trully sad and I am embarrased yet again of my human species.  Instead of using those two years to promote more peace and stronger ties, they used it to build more weapons.

And do you think the machine warfactory has been idle?

No, we do not, because as I recall, we just got finished disposing of the General and his armies.

Ah, that they did.

So what you're saying is that it's perfectly fine for them to build weapons which are readily available and useful in an attack, but it's a Truce-breaking attrocity when we build defensive weaponry?

Again, something just doesn't add up.

r3spon5e wrote:

Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

To borrow a phrase, a system of control that allows Zion enough freedom to build a secret bunker is "incredibly inefficient."  If they wanted control, Zion would have been wiped out.  The cycle was broken because the machines saw the potential for peace in us.  Neo went to 01 and jacked in directly to their hardware.  They reset the system meaning they got the code they needed out of him, so if they wanted, they could have simply restarted the cycle again.  It would have continued as it always had.

The difference was not that Neo put them in a position where they couldn't continue it.  The difference was that Neo showed them that not all humans are blood thirsty war mongers.  Congratulations for stomping on his legacy.  I'll be sure to thank you with a bullet.

This........coming from a Machine.  You should spend your time researching the Machine objective.  You only want to keep us "humans" down.  Now prices have to be paid, heads have to roll...............heh..........it's the American way!

Lucen wrote:

r3spon5e wrote:

Wrong. The Cycle of the One failed with Neo's emergence. Six Cycles pass and then failure. That's a 15% failure rate. Incredibly inefficient by any Machine standard. The Truce was merely another attempt at maintianing control without resorting to the rreturn of the Cycle of the One which will eventually fail again.

It has always been about control and nothing else.

To borrow a phrase, a system of control that allows Zion enough freedom to build a secret bunker is "incredibly inefficient."  If they wanted control, Zion would have been wiped out.  The cycle was broken because the machines saw the potential for peace in us.  Neo went to 01 and jacked in directly to their hardware.  They reset the system meaning they got the code they needed out of him, so if they wanted, they could have simply restarted the cycle again.  It would have continued as it always had.

The difference was not that Neo put them in a position where they couldn't continue it.  The difference was that Neo showed them that not all humans are blood thirsty war mongers.  Congratulations for stomping on his legacy.  I'll be sure to thank you with a bullet.

Zion is not the ones screaming about not being able to destroy Zion at the drop of a hat.

The Machines never gave peace a chance, violated the Truce repeatedly and have attacked Zion without any proof of a threat to 01 or the System. 

Ignorance runs rampant in the Collective. It has always been so. Welcome back Lucen.

  The difference was that Neo showed them that not all humans are blood thirsty war mongers.  I'll be sure to thank you with a bullet.

I highly doubt that this, Lucen, will be the lone mech waving a white flag when it all goes down.   Talk and hypothesis are irrelavent during wartime.

Welcome to the Third Renaissance.

Capt. Neopill - Zion

I highly doubt that this, Lucen, will be the lone mech waving a white flag when it all goes down.   Talk and hypothesis are irrelavent during wartime.

Welcome to the Third Renaissance.

Capt. Neopill - Zion

The machines are the innocents here.  Every move they've made has been justified by human treachery.

Lucen wrote:

The machines are the innocents here.  Every move they've made has been justified by human treachery.

((now thats comedy))

hellstomp3r wrote:

Lucen wrote:

The machines are the innocents here.  Every move they've made has been justified by human treachery.

((now thats comedy))

And that's just glaring red light suggesting you can't disprove what I'm saying.  Keep up the one liner throw away responses.  It just shows you for what you are.

In  case you havent noticed. I disagree with everything you have said. Red lights? Heh, those are muzzle flashes in your periferal. DUCK!

NP

hellstomp3r wrote:

I highly doubt that this, Lucen, will be the lone mech waving a white flag when it all goes down.   Talk and hypothesis are irrelavent during wartime.

Welcome to the Third Renaissance.

Capt. Neopill - Zion

If tonight is any indication, we won't be the one's waving the white flag.  And take a look at the first communication from Niobe here.  She flat out admits Zion never had any intention of working toward peace.  Can you blame the machines for not trusting them?  Humanity, throughout our history has done very little besides prove how violent and untrustworthy we are.  Since the invention of AI, we have tried to wipe the machines off the face of the earth for nothing more than having more valuable currency than us, then spent 6 cycles of the Matrix trying to destroy them, and now when given a real chance at peace, we find Zion once again preparing to wage war.

The machines are the innocents here.  Every move they've made has been justified by human treachery.

Niobe thought it was best we be ready should something like this happen again.

If the Machines wanted peace, they wouldn't have let it happen again.

Building a city with defenses isn't a hostile action. Calling off the Truce and sending the Machine army after Zion is.

Lucen wrote:

hellstomp3r wrote:

I highly doubt that this, Lucen, will be the lone mech waving a white flag when it all goes down.   Talk and hypothesis are irrelavent during wartime.

Welcome to the Third Renaissance.

Capt. Neopill - Zion

If tonight is any indication, we won't be the one's waving the white flag.  And take a look at the first communication from Niobe here.  She flat out admits Zion never had any intention of working toward peace.  Can you blame the machines for not trusting them?  Humanity, throughout our history has done very little besides prove how violent and untrustworthy we are.  Since the invention of AI, we have tried to wipe the machines off the face of the earth for nothing more than having more valuable currency than us, then spent 6 cycles of the Matrix trying to destroy them, and now when given a real chance at peace, we find Zion once again preparing to wage war.

The machines are the innocents here.  Every move they've made has been justified by human treachery.

Niobe thought it was best we be ready should something like this happen again.

If the Machines wanted peace, they wouldn't have let it happen again.

Building a city with defenses isn't a hostile action. Calling off the Truce and sending the Machine army after Zion is.

Seconded.

((and im gonna stop posting now for a bit or i'll look like another Havocide,....pwnt))

You know, I think at this point, there's just too much bad blood, it's good this way, because after this, God willing both are alive, there'll be a clean slate to work with. There was alot of problems with the war ending through Neo and not through Zion as a whole. Hell, it's one of the things that pissed off the General.

But anyway, we in Zion are off to the matresses to let out some of this Bad Blood

Niobe is simply informing you that for once they've done something to actively ensure their survival. I sat in on this meeting as I, like many others in E Pluribus Neo, were curious as to what the official Zion view was on all of this.

I'm quite impressed to say that for a lot of it, we're running along the same line of thoughts. By that, they were using the truce to prepare themselves.

Some have been complaining that all this pisses on Neo's memory, yet I disagree. The truce pissed over Neo's memory. Neo died for peace, the truce was a joke from day one. The Machines were content with it for only one reason, they thought that Zion wouldn't dare attempt to attack them. Break the truce and start the War all over again.

The reason the Machines broke the Truce is simple. A loss of control.

Look at them now, all their posturing and where is it getting them? No-where. Heck, they haven't managed to wipe out E Pluribus Neo, who were the "Terrorists of the System". Now they've got more to worry about.

To you Machines I say this; bring it on. You haven't killed us yet and you're not going to be able to now.

To our Zion brothers and sisters, I commend you all for keeping your cool. The important thing for you all now is not to give up, dig deep and stand together. That place you've built is a stroke of brilliance, now you have to defend it.

If you need anything from E Pluribus Neo, you know how to contact us.

Fight together, fight for your freedom.

Niobe is simply informing you that for once they've done something to actively ensure their survival. I sat in on this meeting as I, like many others in E Pluribus Neo, were curious as to what the official Zion view was on all of this.

I'm quite impressed to say that for a lot of it, we're running along the same line of thoughts. By that, they were using the truce to prepare themselves.

Some have been complaining that all this pisses on Neo's memory, yet I disagree. The truce pissed over Neo's memory. Neo died for peace, the truce was a joke from day one. The Machines were content with it for only one reason, they thought that Zion wouldn't dare attempt to attack them. Break the truce and start the War all over again.

The reason the Machines broke the Truce is simple. A loss of control.

Look at them now, all their posturing and where is it getting them? No-where. Heck, they haven't managed to wipe out E Pluribus Neo, who were the "Terrorists of the System". Now they've got more to worry about.

To you Machines I say this; bring it on. You haven't killed us yet and you're not going to be able to now.

To our Zion brothers and sisters, I commend you all for keeping your cool. The important thing for you all now is not to give up, dig deep and stand together. That place you've built is a stroke of brilliance, now you have to defend it.

If you need anything from E Pluribus Neo, you know how to contact us.

Fight together, fight for your freedom.

*grins*

Now Thi$ $hould be very intere$ting....

New Zion doesn't seem so innocent now.  Clearly they intended on finishing the war.  I'm sure Neo will be happy to know he lost his love and his life so Zion could delay the inevitable.

May there be mercy.

Just remember, if the machines wipe out Zion and there is no one to stand against them, no one to fight for our freedom...How long do you Machine operatives think your masters will keep you around? There is no going back to the system, you are all in as much danger as us without the truce. Your all just people, strapped into a chair with a jack in your head. Just like the rest of us.....

Just remember, you always have a home in Zion.....


Captain ZeroMark
The Black Market

Lucen wrote:

hellstomp3r wrote:

I highly doubt that this, Lucen, will be the lone mech waving a white flag when it all goes down.   Talk and hypothesis are irrelavent during wartime.

Welcome to the Third Renaissance.

Capt. Neopill - Zion

If tonight is any indication, we won't be the one's waving the white flag.  And take a look at the first communication from Niobe here.  She flat out admits Zion never had any intention of working toward peace.  Can you blame the machines for not trusting them?  Humanity, throughout our history has done very little besides prove how violent and untrustworthy we are.  Since the invention of AI, we have tried to wipe the machines off the face of the earth for nothing more than having more valuable currency than us, then spent 6 cycles of the Matrix trying to destroy them, and now when given a real chance at peace, we find Zion once again preparing to wage war.

The machines are the innocents here.  Every move they've made has been justified by human treachery.

Niobe thought it was best we be ready should something like this happen again.

If the Machines wanted peace, they wouldn't have let it happen again.

Building a city with defenses isn't a hostile action. Calling off the Truce and sending the Machine army after Zion is.

((The fact that you guys still do not understand how building a bunker full of defensive weapons can be viewed as a threat is disturbing.  I really hope that those arguing this point only believe this as an in character thing.  For those of you who actually pay attention in the world this very issue itself has the possiblity to leading to WWIII.  Turn on the news sometime and take a look at Iran and their nuclear issue and America and the missile defense shield and Russias response.  Russia responded by releasing the nuclear fuel to Iran which they were holding off from doing as a detterent to America))

It is all about detterents and security everyone.  It seems that you all are either naive or just confused with why the machines are upset.  Let me try to explain it for you.  The machines indeed could destroy Zion whenever they wanted to.  In fact Zion should be destroyed if Neo did not interfere.  The truce ended with the machines holding a gun to the head of the Zionites.  The machines were definitely threatened as well by the Program Smith, but Zion did not control that program and Zion was not on the verge of wiping out the machines.

If you go to your Zion archives and look at human history you will find that just 8 years before the current Matrix date of 1999 the Nation of Iraq was defeated by the United Nations mainly America.  Iraq's leaders brokered a truce with the rest of the world.  They were allowed to keep their leader and way of life.  They were not allowed to construct more weapons which would endanger the region.  They had a gun to their head at the time and the trigger was not pulled.  During this time of Peace or truce Iraq secretly built more weapons, buikt more palaces, scammed the oil for food program, and was taking pop shots at American forces in the no fly zones.  Iraq broke many resolutions which automatically causes a resumption of hostilities.  And it did ending with Iraq being totally destroyed.

I wish us humans would learn from history and not repeat our mistakes because this is oddly similar to what is happening today.  The truce ended with a gun pointed to Zions head.  Sentinels halted the attack and stayed on stand by outside the walls of Zion, just like the American forces did to Iraq.  Zion just like Iraq used that period of peace to rebuild its arsenal for "Defensive measures."  Now why would building a defensive city be a threat to the machines you ask?

The fact that redpills now know that they are 100% protected they have the freedom to do whatever they wish.  Whether that be stay with the truce, end the truce, attack the machines, attack the Matrix, attempt to go beyond waking 1% of the bluepills, etc...  There will be no consequences of their actions.  And since we know  Zions past and that they want to be on equal footing with the machines it is only logical that the machines would fear that mostly.  The last time humanity was on an equal footing with the machines they tried to commit genocide to the machines.  If you were a machine you would never and I mean ever allow for that to happen again.  Had Humans won the original war we would never ever allow the machines to be in a position where they can again launch an attack on us.  They cannot risk sitting there and hoping that humanity will go against its nature to be dominant.

Now this is what I don't understand  We have heard from Zionites and fake machinists condone Zion building a secret base for self defense.  If I was a Zionite I would be the loudest voice screaming about Zions right to self defense.  I would be on the front line sticking a middle finger to the machinists.  I would be like Locke and admit that we have been destroyed 6 times by the machines.  There is no way in hell we will let ourselves stay in a position where we can be destroyed again.  I would admit that hell yeah we built up a new city.  We believe that humans are slaves and that it is our duty as humans to free ourselves from bondage from the machine oppressors.  It is our duty to take back what is rightfully and enheritantly ours.  I would say we will no longer cower at the feet of the machines and beg them for our lives.  Our lives our in our hands not the hands of the machines and we will fight to the very last man, woman, and child for freedom.  I would argue that humans are not to be slaves and would rather be dead.  I would then slap all the other Zionites who are coming out here and playing this game of we just wanted to expand our city.  I would tell them not to be afraid to tell the truth just like Niobe and Rylet.  I would tell them to prepare for war and invite all of the humans from all the organizations who believe as we do that Machines are not our masters to come down and stand with us.  I would say that today is a day where we can actually defend ourselves from the machines.  Today we are able to do what we have never done in the past and that is survive.  I would say that humanity is not at threat to be wiped out because as long as machines need humans to survive they will maintain the Matrix.  I would argue that we fight for our survival, our autonomy, and our freedom.  I would be a better leader and Zionite than any of the ones arguing about this case right now.

After all that I would realize that we will no longer be able to enter the Matrix safely.  I would realize that just like in the past when there were men better than me leading a force 100Xs more affective than mine that I would lose.  I would realize that we just caused the deaths of everyone in Zion.  I would acknowledge that therr are only two options of what will occur.  Either we will be wiped out down here because the machines would eventually find away around our defenses, or they will bury us down here and we live out our days in freedom in new Zion never to see the surface, never to see the Matrix, and never to secure freedom for the 99% of humanity.  I would then still be satisfied because at least I am free.

If you are a Zionite at least have the balls to say that.  Stop dancing around the issue and trying to justify this as being the machines fault.  Admit you had an agenda and that agenda is coming to fruition after two years.  And if you don't know that this is a break of the truce then please go ask somebody or shut up.  Even Zion leadership new it would end the truce which is why they kept it a secret.  I guess since they were smart enough to know that, then that is why they are the leadership and left all you poor people out of the loop. 

I have just shown you that I do understand better than most of you the Zion side of things.  I am not one dimensional in thinking, but I am here to tell you that there is an alternative.  There is a way out for all of us.  The first step is to stop thinking about Zion and Zion alone.  Think about all sentient beings.  Think about saving everyone.  Think as Neo thought.  He did not just save Zion he saved everybody.  Join those of us who are and have been trully working for this and not just buying time as Niobe has said.  Join those Zionites, Merovingians, and machinists who believe as the Oracle said, "The only way to get there is together."  I am Captain Sattakan and I fight for humanity.

"I will still plant my apple tree whose shade I know I will never sit under" - MLK Jr.

Khepril wrote:

Niobe is simply informing you that for once they've done something to actively ensure their survival. I sat in on this meeting as I, like many others in E Pluribus Neo, were curious as to what the official Zion view was on all of this.

I'm quite impressed to say that for a lot of it, we're running along the same line of thoughts. By that, they were using the truce to prepare themselves.

Some have been complaining that all this pisses on Neo's memory, yet I disagree. The truce pissed over Neo's memory. Neo died for peace, the truce was a joke from day one. The Machines were content with it for only one reason, they thought that Zion wouldn't dare attempt to attack them. Break the truce and start the War all over again.

The reason the Machines broke the Truce is simple. A loss of control.

Look at them now, all their posturing and where is it getting them? No-where. Heck, they haven't managed to wipe out E Pluribus Neo, who were the "Terrorists of the System". Now they've got more to worry about.

To you Machines I say this; bring it on. You haven't killed us yet and you're not going to be able to now.

To our Zion brothers and sisters, I commend you all for keeping your cool. The important thing for you all now is not to give up, dig deep and stand together. That place you've built is a stroke of brilliance, now you have to defend it.

If you need anything from E Pluribus Neo, you know how to contact us.

Fight together, fight for your freedom.

Fight together blah blah blah, thats all well and good but you've said yourselves already somewhere 'We broke the truce' isn't that right?   So now your saying the machines broke it? Hmm...

spha x

((The fact that you guys still do not understand how building a bunker full of defensive weapons can be viewed as a threat is disturbing.  I really hope that those arguing this point only believe this as an in character thing.  For those of you who actually pay attention in the world this very issue itself has the possiblity to leading to WWIII.  Turn on the news sometime and take a look at Iran and their nuclear issue and America and the missile defense shield and Russias response.  Russia responded by releasing the nuclear fuel to Iran which they were holding off from doing as a detterent to America))

It is all about detterents and security everyone.  It seems that you all are either naive or just confused with why the machines are upset.  Let me try to explain it for you.  The machines indeed could destroy Zion whenever they wanted to.  In fact Zion should be destroyed if Neo did not interfere.  The truce ended with the machines holding a gun to the head of the Zionites.  The machines were definitely threatened as well by the Program Smith, but Zion did not control that program and Zion was not on the verge of wiping out the machines.

If you go to your Zion archives and look at human history you will find that just 8 years before the current Matrix date of 1999 the Nation of Iraq was defeated by the United Nations mainly America.  Iraq's leaders brokered a truce with the rest of the world.  They were allowed to keep their leader and way of life.  They were not allowed to construct more weapons which would endanger the region.  They had a gun to their head at the time and the trigger was not pulled.  During this time of Peace or truce Iraq secretly built more weapons, buikt more palaces, scammed the oil for food program, and was taking pop shots at American forces in the no fly zones.  Iraq broke many resolutions which automatically causes a resumption of hostilities.  And it did ending with Iraq being totally destroyed.

I wish us humans would learn from history and not repeat our mistakes because this is oddly similar to what is happening today.  The truce ended with a gun pointed to Zions head.  Sentinels halted the attack and stayed on stand by outside the walls of Zion, just like the American forces did to Iraq.  Zion just like Iraq used that period of peace to rebuild its arsenal for "Defensive measures."  Now why would building a defensive city be a threat to the machines you ask?

The fact that redpills now know that they are 100% protected they have the freedom to do whatever they wish.  Whether that be stay with the truce, end the truce, attack the machines, attack the Matrix, attempt to go beyond waking 1% of the bluepills, etc...  There will be no consequences of their actions.  And since we know  Zions past and that they want to be on equal footing with the machines it is only logical that the machines would fear that mostly.  The last time humanity was on an equal footing with the machines they tried to commit genocide to the machines.  If you were a machine you would never and I mean ever allow for that to happen again.  Had Humans won the original war we would never ever allow the machines to be in a position where they can again launch an attack on us.  They cannot risk sitting there and hoping that humanity will go against its nature to be dominant.

Yo' cuz. Tell them the whole story. In hindsight, Iraq did a bunch of things that big bad America and the UN didn't like, but when the US said "We think you have WMD's. Give em up now!" and they didn't have them, the US went in anyway, guns blazing on faulty intelligence and assumptions in an attempt to maintain control of an indirect threat and made the situation for both sides worse. Iraq isn't justified in what they did, and their leader was a tyrant and a dictator, but a mis-judged reaction to a problem is as bad, if not worse than the problem itself.

And as far as Zion and EPN is concerned, that 1% garbage just went out the door the moment the Architect said no more extractions. That 1% was valid as long as the blues had a choice. The system we know was based on it. That choice doesn't exist anymore, to the Machine at least. Therefore, Zion will do what it needs to, since the Machine finds it necessary to do so.

We are humans. Our ancestors scorched the skies and destroyed the earth to fight the Machine, but we aren't our ancestors. We want to live, and live in freedom without being threatened.

You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom.
- Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)

- Ezechiel