please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

73 posts · 2007-07-13 10:55:15 to 2008-01-24 09:08:14

#36300281858 07/13/2007 10:55:15 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
For update 53, I repacked some of our specularity textures that had been broken since...probably forever. This restored shiny highlights to items that have always looked properly shiny in our model tools, but have had no highlights in the game itself, such as Agent glasses, and many types of leather clothing.

Scattered reports indicate that some items now have inappropriate specularity; for instance, some felt/cloth items that should have no shine are shiny, and some items are shiny with a color tint in the shine that changes the overall color of the item to the wrong hue.

Please list such items here, with:

a) The complete name of the item
b) A reasonably sized screenshot showing the problem


#36300281860 07/13/2007 10:59:36 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

The Black Dress Shirt has a red tint.

Personally, I am ok with the shineness.

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#36300281910 07/13/2007 11:49:25 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Yoshi Triga Trench



Misene Panel Trench Highcollar (and the no collar ones)



#36300281921 07/13/2007 11:57:59 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Yoshi Asiri Trench


#36300281945 07/13/2007 12:26:44 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
HostileIntention wrote:
Yoshi Asiri Trench


lol Effectuator.


One I like to add: Female beta glasses.
#36300281981 07/13/2007 13:23:17 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

Black Void Shades



Same problem as the Black dress shirts as the shine creates a purple/red look


#36300282018 07/13/2007 14:20:52 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Are you sure those aren't the purple ones?

These are what my black ones look like:


#36300282026 07/13/2007 14:27:12 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Positive, I only wear black and you can tell what color Voids are by looking at the edges of the glasses. It's not nearly as noticable as the dress shirts but it's there. It may just be how the ligth hits it as you can see im out in the open while in your pics its cloudy and darkish.

#36300282030 07/13/2007 14:30:13 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I think it has to do with your camera position, it seems when I put my camera facing down on my character certain shades turn purple, but at steady level they look normal.  I'm sure it has something to do with the reflection they are rendering or something.
#36300282073 07/13/2007 16:00:31 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

 

Gotta be the lighting as I get it also on a straight shot from the side. You can also see it in the left lense in Solids pic which is a straight on shot.


#36300282082 07/13/2007 16:12:08 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

Yeah, I have noticed the red tint on the Voids, when you move your camera around you can get rid of it, but it seems to be there more angles than not if know what I mean, that will have to be tweaked too but it seems it is the same problem as on the shirt.

Side note:  I like the Yoshi Asiri Trench & Yoshi Triga Trench new shiney-ness SMILEY

EDIT: It seems to go pure black when you angle it to get a white shine on the lense, like my right lense or HTs left lense (the right lense doesn't look pure black if you look closely)  none of Gami's lenses have the light on it so the red/purple is seen better.

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#36300282536 07/14/2007 04:53:55 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
-Black/Black Machello Jacket and Tie (All of the Machello Jacket and Tie shirts, actually.)
-Black Plain Slacks (Bit difficult to see... sorry. I think all of them are like this too, but it is not quite as obvious.)


A better shot of the shirt.
Another of the jacket/tie shirts (Dark Green/Brown).

-Black Avero Suit Coat


-Green Dress Shirt
(All of the Dress Shirts.)


I actually think the Void Shades look pretty cool now...

edit: bloody $@!# forums...

#36300282545 07/14/2007 05:05:32 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

Actually, in regards to the slacks, quite a lot of trousers now have the shine, probably for belts. However, this is actually quite subtle and nice. I like it.

The shine on the Arasaki Leather Pants however looks a little much, it was always kind of a dull, or at least limitedly shiny, leather.

Also, the System Shades also have the discolouration problem. I was fighting some Agents earlier and they look more rose tinted than evil black now SMILEY

#36300282548 07/14/2007 05:12:52 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I admit that it is nice that you can see the belt on the pants, but having the pant legs shiny is sorta weird, hehe.

And I agree on the Arasaki Leather Pants...

#36300282550 07/14/2007 05:19:27 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
SolidRevolver wrote:

The Black Dress Shirt has a red tint.

Personally, I am ok with the shineness.

The shinyness has gotta go, as it looks like it's been drenched in oil.
#36300282555 07/14/2007 05:25:58 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
HostileIntention wrote:
Yoshi Triga Trench




That's not wrong, that's actually looking like the right shine for that item as you can see the shine is only on the leather parts of the Trench and not actually the cloth part of it.

#36300282595 07/14/2007 06:44:07 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I think the Avero Suits are fine, and as to the Black Void shades looking purple, it is indeed the angle in which you look at them. Since there's no reflection, the shiny stuff has to come from somewhere, and apparently that somewhere has a purple side to it.
#36300282829 07/14/2007 12:30:14 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Yeah, didnt Rare say they have like certain mapped textures to use for reflections? Looks like this ones just got a purple tinge to it is all.

Should be changed to black SMILEY
#36300282850 07/14/2007 12:58:48 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
cloudwolf wrote:
Yeah, didnt Rare say they have like certain mapped textures to use for reflections? Looks like this ones just got a purple tinge to it is all.



Should be changed to black SMILEY

For the Voids at least, they lose the purple tinge when it doesn't have the white shine on them.
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#36300282869 07/14/2007 13:23:55 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Llywela wrote:
-Black/Black Machello Jacket and Tie (All of the Machello Jacket and Tie shirts, actually.)
-Black Plain Slacks (Bit difficult to see... sorry. I think all of them are like this too, but it is not quite as obvious.)



This is my uniform I have to walk round looking laminated (or possibly covered in latex) All day please god change it
#36300282899 07/14/2007 14:25:23 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Black Misene Leather Trench Highcollar

Before



After




Photobucket
#36300282907 07/14/2007 14:56:18 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I actually like that one. Much cooler with.

You know, it is a skinned leather trench, probably supposed to be shiny.
#36300282952 07/14/2007 16:03:51 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

A list of my clothes I feel are too shiny now:

First, the Cherry Cabbie Cap:

2. Greyish Milleri Fade Dress Combo- I don't mind the top half being a bit shiny, but the bottom is too plastic looking:

3. The Black Silver Croc Coat, Highcollar (i understand it's crocodile, so it has a bit of a shine, but I think this is too far, looking almost like oil):

4. The Black Milleri Dress:

5. the Lotus sleevless shirts in general (Purple picked as an example):

That's my too shiny list, but to change topic from unacceptable to annoying- the new 'specularity' has made the Brown Kell shiny jacket and pants match even less than they did before:

Is it too much to ask that the same fabric in the same colour be the same colour?

#36300282971 07/14/2007 16:31:22 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I dunno, I like the Cherry cap and the Croc jacket looks ok, probably better with a little less sine, but I'm not sure if the amount of shinyness can be scaled....
#36300282984 07/14/2007 16:43:07 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Really now why complain more, if it was suppose to be something from the begining and only just kicked in, be happy that for 2 years, you didn't have this.
#36300283001 07/14/2007 16:55:11 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Crieses-mxo wrote:

That's my too shiny list, but to change topic from unacceptable to annoying- the new 'specularity' has made the Brown Kell shiny jacket and pants match even less than they did before:

Is it too much to ask that the same fabric in the same colour be the same colour?


This is the only think I agree on there, all the rest look good with the shine, and the reason I think this needs tweaking is on the color.

The Lotus Sleeveless screen looks more highlighted than shiney, but if it is shiney mabey that could be removed as that has a very 'cottony' look to it.

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#36300283022 07/14/2007 17:19:57 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
The Jayne collarless duster shouldn't be shiny; from the grain on the coat's texture you can tell it should have the matte finish it had before, as opposed to now (the black leather pants are dead-on, in comparison):


#36300283082 07/14/2007 18:41:06 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Crieses-mxo wrote:

A list of my clothes I feel are too shiny now:

First, the Cherry Cabbie Cap:

2. Greyish Milleri Fade Dress Combo- I don't mind the top half being a bit shiny, but the bottom is too plastic looking:

3. The Black Silver Croc Coat, Highcollar (i understand it's crocodile, so it has a bit of a shine, but I think this is too far, looking almost like oil):

4. The Black Milleri Dress:

5. the Lotus sleevless shirts in general (Purple picked as an example):

That's my too shiny list, but to change topic from unacceptable to annoying- the new 'specularity' has made the Brown Kell shiny jacket and pants match even less than they did before:

Is it too much to ask that the same fabric in the same colour be the same colour?



I'm not trying to cause a debate here, but to me all of those clothing items have material that appears to warrant specularity. 

Especially the Utley dress.
#36300283254 07/15/2007 03:07:55 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I think all those females are fine apart from the Lotus' - always struck me as cloth.

That said the weird colouration thats come with the specularity does need to be addressed.
#36300283452 07/15/2007 11:09:01 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

 Sakura Ninja Boots!

#36300283478 07/15/2007 11:56:18 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
hosh boots!
#36300283595 07/15/2007 15:19:26 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
cloudwolf wrote:
I actually like that one. Much cooler with.



You know, it is a skinned leather trench, probably supposed to be shiny.

We already had a shiny trench before the patch.  Misene Panel Trench I think it's called. The Misene Leather Trench was the one that's originally not shiny I believe. We don't need all of our trench coats shiny.


#36300283766 07/15/2007 21:35:40 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
SniperWolf101 wrote:

 Sakura Ninja Boots!

ROFL those look ridonculous
#36300285075 07/17/2007 12:07:36 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Blue sky t-shirt.  Specularity causing shiny 'blotches.'


#36300286119 07/18/2007 14:33:43 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
SniperWolf101 wrote:

Same discolouration problem on the male beta boots.
#36300286137 07/18/2007 14:45:18 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Cloudwolf, if you're actually going to report items, rather than just spamming your opinion on things others post, it would be nice if you'd include a screenshot.
#36300286146 07/18/2007 14:57:10 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

Whats with the grudge? And isn't opinion the entire point of a forum?

Plus 'same problem on x' certainly seems like reporting an item to me.

*sigh*

Alright, alright, i'll get some screenies in a bit.

Polystene Shirt (possible mistake) & Arasaki Leather Pants (tad too shiny imo but hey, this is no place for opinion)



Looks like the boots were a lighting thing since they're fine now, is there any special way the speculars handle the current tint of the lighting?

#36300286519 07/18/2007 22:53:20 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I think all leather should be shiny.  Polystene, I'm not so sure about.
#36300286552 07/18/2007 23:40:22 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
will have a pic in the morning but the Baal reinforced pants are shiny all over. Not sure if this was intended (always thought of them as being cloth) but the gray I guess "patchs" that go around the legs should be really the only shiny part it looks like.

#36300286564 07/19/2007 00:02:10 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Female Beta Shades.


#36300286732 07/19/2007 04:46:31 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Roukan wrote:
Female Beta Shades.


I take it the male is wearing male Beta Shades? if so then yeah the female shades are in a server issue
#36300286770 07/19/2007 05:25:46 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Avalod wrote:
Roukan wrote:
Female Beta Shades.

I take it the male is wearing male Beta Shades? if so then yeah the female shades are in a server issue
Nah, the male is wearing Void shades by the looks of it.

The Beta shades used to look nice and dark, now they barely match the Beta outfit, and in comparison it's a drastic change.




Also, I wish we could get the specularity of the Agent shades toned down slightly... The shine now is nice, but I think there's just a little
"too much" of it, and it's a bit distracting. o.O



#36300286788 07/19/2007 05:38:09 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Black knit beanie. Kinda looks like I'm wearing a plunger.







Black Ninja mask




#36300286938 07/19/2007 08:50:45 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Beanies have always been like that, though now you mention it 'knit' does seem to imply fabric /shrug.

As for the ninja mask, i like it, kinda reminds me of the elite commandos. But yeah, opinions and all that.
#36300286965 07/19/2007 09:04:38 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53

The Purple Misene Leather Trench Highcollar and the Purple Arisiki Leather Pants now have tons of specularity.  The coat looked like rough leather that didn't need to be shiny.  The pants are (in my opinion) too shiny but I'm not sure about that one.  It's just an opinion.  But, in comparison to that exact outfit, it used to match fairly well before, but now... 

Red Misene Panel Trench Highcollar.  Again, it looked like a darker leather that wasn't supposed to be shiny. 

I don't have a before and after picture for this one but I can explain as best I can.  Brown Jayne Half-Duster Highcollar and Sienna Arisiki Leather Pants.  The jacket and pants used to match a little better than this before, and the jacket was a type of jacket that didn't look like it needed a bright shine. 

All of the Leather Arisiki Pants were effected and I sort of don't like it but I do know that it's leather and probably would have that shine on them so I can't make a call on those.  Also, I love all of the effects on the glasses.  Even the glasses that had a horrible shine to them before, then got toned down to be darker, now have a reflection to them but it doesn't ruin them like the shine did before.  Good job with the glasses (except the miscolorations some of them have.)

Edit:  One of the things I just want to mention is that the coats that don't look right are the coats that looked like they were coarse leather before.  Now, with the shine added, the coat looks like a very smooth and very plasticy coat which is not what we wanted at the time of purchasing the coat. 

#36300286971 07/19/2007 09:12:32 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I'm pretty sure colour doesn't effect the specularity, merely the material. So any we highlight will be across all variations of said item.
#36300287036 07/19/2007 10:12:43 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
0rexis wrote:
Also, I wish we could get the specularity of the Agent shades toned down slightly... The shine now is nice, but I think there's just a little
"too much" of it, and it's a bit distracting. o.O


I like the shine on the System Shades, but the shine itself when looking at the character head-on goes right through the bridge of the Shades and the inside of each side, at least it does on the female version (I don't think I'm explaining it properly) I would prefer it if the shine cut across diagonally down the outside of one of the lenses when head-on. If thats not possible then I'd go withs 0rexis about the toning down of the shine.


If neither than can we at least get rid of the shine from the frames ie. the bridge and the arms, keeping them a dark colour? I am sure their textures are different to the actual lenses....


#36300290245 07/24/2007 10:12:55 please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Rarebit wrote:
For update 53, I repacked some of our specularity textures that had been broken since...probably forever. This restored shiny highlights to items that have always looked properly shiny in our model tools, but have had no highlights in the game itself, such as Agent glasses, and many types of leather clothing.

Scattered reports indicate that some items now have inappropriate specularity; for instance, some felt/cloth items that should have no shine are shiny, and some items are shiny with a color tint in the shine that changes the overall color of the item to the wrong hue.

Please list such items here, with:

a) The complete name of the item
b) A reasonably sized screenshot showing the problem



Huh! O.O does this mean you finally fixed the brooker jackets?

#36300294300 07/30/2007 22:37:48 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
I don't have a picture, but it seems the Burning Eye Trench was also made shiny. I'll post the comparisons laster if I can find a good shot of the old look.
#36300294311 07/30/2007 23:24:52 Re:please list clothing with inappropriate specularity in update 53
Remag_Div wrote:
I don't have a picture, but it seems the Burning Eye Trench was also made shiny. I'll post the comparisons laster if I can find a good shot of the old look.
Yeah I got that covered. ;)