LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

76 posts · 2007-07-08 05:29:50 to 2007-11-12 05:39:38

#36300276588 07/08/2007 05:29:50 LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
The overall job of LESIG is interaction. They are the people whose job's are to make sure that the time spent between Critical Missions and/or Live Events has a high enough level of interaction with storyline elements to keep their assigned organizations feeling active.

Some members have shown that they understand that:

Zeissman - Clocks some time in at least every day, most days multiple hours at a time.

Merrit - Merrit puts in about six+ hours a week, not the most active, but it provides a solid amount of time for interaction, and Merrit even interacts with those outside of her org, which picks up the slack of others.

ExIvy - ExIvy I sometimes think doesn't have all the time available that they would like to have, but when she does jack in, she is always ready to talk to people. She's set up small events off the top of her head, and recognizes the sluggish feeling that players get without that interaction.


Other people don't though. Eventual and Torman [Recursion Mech Liaisons] while they have shown improvement, are not even close to being up to par I'm afraid. While an hour a week between the two of them is a step above not logging in at all for close to three months, it doesn't provide the level of interaction that keeps the Machinist organization feeling active. They have said IC that they have no interest in leveling [which right there would provide hours+ worth of interaction by the time they finished], and when invited to things such as TC's Party, they even said they had no interest in attending parties. What do they have interest in then? It is quite obviously not meeting the goals of the LESIG/Liaison program. While I can say I have enjoyed speaking to the both of them, when I have a chance to. Those chances are few and far between.

Most recently a faction mate of mine, Fenshire, spoke to Eventual, in regards to a LESIG event that he had become involved with through interaction with Merrit. Eventual spoke to him that single time, and apparently gave him some lip service about putting in a request to the "higher ups" etc. Nothing came of it, and by the time the next phase of this event came up? Eventual had not logged in again, and if he had, decided to not respond to Fenshires e-mails in game.

Now, my question in the end comes down to this, why is it that its so easy for someone like me [An outsider of LESIG], to have a higher understanding of the goals of the program, and why is it that people that have proven themselves to either A.) be unwilling to strive toward those goals, or B.) Be unable to achieve those goals are still in the program? The Machine org on recursion has been getting the shaft regarding this entire program since LESIG 2.0 started. Why has nothing been done to fix this? Showing up an hour a week, standing semi-AFK at an org meeting is not being a Liaison. Having the effort to post "I'm here" does not mean you are doing your job as a LESIG member.

People need to be replaced, or step down.
#36300276591 07/08/2007 05:37:01 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Rarebit makes a point not to pick well-known or talkative players for induction into LESIG, because their sudden and unexplained absence would be too suspicious. Therefore he picks players according to their general ability to not be recognized across servers; unfortunately, that leads into some players that just don't give a s**t. Or, at least, that's what I tell myself whenever I see LESIG do something stupid. Meh well.
#36300276592 07/08/2007 05:39:52 LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
NightTrace wrote:
People need to be replaced, or step down.

One would think this would be the thing to do. More likely, they'll just get another message telling them to try to be more active...again.

#36300276595 07/08/2007 05:40:51 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Thats all well and good, but that doesn't answer the question of why people are still in despite months of repeated no showing and/or failing to meet the programs overall goals.

I know one of the main points of the events etc now is to just get the new storyline elements pushed out there so that the posts can be made, the crits can come out, and the story can continue, but there has to be something somewhere that says that as this is a game that we pay to play, that its supposed to be fun.

If you are in LESIG and cannot meet the programs goals, you need to step down. If you cant bring yourself to lose the "1337" status, you need to be replaced, weather Rarebit likes confrontation or not.
#36300276597 07/08/2007 05:50:04 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

((

I'd like to add that Rylet and Toluca also do a great job with LESIG.  Rylet hasn't been around much lately (probably the player is on vacation), but he has spent some time logging in.  I also see Toluca on at least once a day, and when she went on vacation, actually came up with an RP reason for it.

Very nice work to those guys.

In reference to NT, I think you got confused between me being angry IC, and me being angry OOC.  Eventual never gave me any lip for requesting aid.  Actually, he seemed genuinely interested in helping me out, however, after a week's notice, I never got a single update.  I saw him very briefly on Wednesday evening, when he told me that he was "compiling data for [me] now".  Then, he promptly logged off, and I still haven't seen him since.  I sent him an email the morning of the deadline date that I needed the information, and never got a response.

During the event, I asked a security guard if I had access to the information I had requested of Eventual, to which the guard responded no.  I had asked if Eventual had put in a request for the information, which I was told no.  The anger you got from me, NT, was that my character was pissed off that Eventual had apparently lied to him.  That Eventual had seemingly no interest in helping Fenshire assist Merrit.

OOC, I really wasn't pissed because it worked with my current RP, and I ended up having fun anyway.

))

~Fen's controller

#36300276601 07/08/2007 05:53:01 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Fen wrote:

((

I'd like to add that Rylet and Toluca also do a great job with LESIG.  Rylet hasn't been around much lately (probably the player is on vacation), but he has spent some time logging in.  I also see Toluca on at least once a day, and when she went on vacation, actually came up with an RP reason for it.

Very nice work to those guys.

In reference to NT, I think you got confused between me being angry IC, and me being angry OOC.  Eventual never gave me any lip for requesting aid.  Actually, he seemed genuinely interested in helping me out, however, after a week's notice, I never got a single update.  I saw him very briefly on Wednesday evening, when he told me that he was "compiling data for [me] now".  Then, he promptly logged off, and I still haven't seen him since.  I sent him an email the morning of the deadline date that I needed the information, and never got a response.

During the event, I asked a security guard if I had access to the information I had requested of Eventual, to which the guard responded no.  I had asked if Eventual had put in a request for the information, which I was told no.  The anger you got from me, NT, was that my character was pissed off that Eventual had apparently lied to him.  That Eventual had seemingly no interest in helping Fenshire assist Merrit.

OOC, I really wasn't pissed because it worked with my current RP, and I ended up having fun anyway.

))

~Fen's controller

((If your current RP is to go Zion...I'll cry SMILEY ))
#36300276603 07/08/2007 05:53:21 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Fen wrote:

((OOC, I really wasn't pissed because it worked with my current RP, and I ended up having fun anyway))

I know you had fun, but because of the overall lack of participation from the Mech Liaisons? You're character is being steadily pushed away from the org, and to Zion. Thats stupid. Not on you're part for getting influenced IC by RP etc, but that it is seemingly o.k. for this kind of thing to continue. Why should it be alright for the overall lack of interaction to be approved?
#36300276605 07/08/2007 05:57:35 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

Hey, did you guys hear about the new award they're going to be giving Machine operatives that do well in events?

It's called the BOHICA award!

Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

EDIT:  I spelled "hear" wrong...  *facepalm*

#36300276606 07/08/2007 05:59:48 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
heh...It's funny cause thats how it feels to be a Mech SMILEY
#36300276610 07/08/2007 06:22:38 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

(( Ya i was there for that event, I dont see why a mech Liasion wont help you out fenshire when it would benefit the machines. I am sure LESIG knew that the event would have hostile Guards for us to attack if neccassary, but if we had the access to the file we could have avoided the bloodshed.

You guys need to come over to the dark side and join zion, we have real Liasions SMILEY ))

#36300276623 07/08/2007 07:33:32 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Ic3b3rg wrote:

(( You guys need to come over to the dark side and join zion, we have real Liaisons SMILEY ))

That's the whole point of this thread, we shouldn't have to go zion just because our Liaisons are crap, we should be allowed to have a choice of which side we want to represent and then have Liaisons that do their job and back us up.

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#36300276624 07/08/2007 07:35:10 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
I know I'd play on here much more if the liaisons were active enough. I know I didn't hit 50 here for pvp reasons.
#36300276632 07/08/2007 08:07:06 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Yasamuu1 wrote:
I know I'd play on here much more if the liaisons were active enough. I know I didn't hit 50 here for pvp reasons.


You told me you were here for me!  >=O

Betch!

#36300276633 07/08/2007 08:08:42 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
odj wrote:
Ic3b3rg wrote:

(( You guys need to come over to the dark side and join zion, we have real Liaisons SMILEY ))

That's the whole point of this thread, we shouldn't have to go zion just because our Liaisons are crap, we should be allowed to have a choice of which side we want to represent and then have Liaisons that do their job and back us up.
QFT
#36300276641 07/08/2007 08:30:40 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Fen wrote:
Yasamuu1 wrote:
I know I'd play on here much more if the liaisons were active enough. I know I didn't hit 50 here for pvp reasons.


You told me you were here for me!  >=O

Betch!

At which point did I say I wasn't ;P
#36300276645 07/08/2007 08:41:10 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
NightTrace wrote:
odj wrote:
Ic3b3rg wrote:

(( You guys need to come over to the dark side and join zion, we have real Liaisons SMILEY ))

That's the whole point of this thread, we shouldn't have to go zion just because our Liaisons are crap, we should be allowed to have a choice of which side we want to represent and then have Liaisons that do their job and back us up.
QFT
Liaisons, shouldn't have any bearing on what organisation you work with....surely?
#36300276661 07/08/2007 09:03:28 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Havocide wrote:
NightTrace wrote:
odj wrote:
Ic3b3rg wrote:

(( You guys need to come over to the dark side and join zion, we have real Liaisons SMILEY ))

That's the whole point of this thread, we shouldn't have to go zion just because our Liaisons are crap, we should be allowed to have a choice of which side we want to represent and then have Liaisons that do their job and back us up.
QFT
Liaisons, shouldn't have any bearing on what organisation you work with....surely?
That's not what I said, but we shouldn't get bad Liaisons because of the choice we make.

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#36300276662 07/08/2007 09:07:02 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Havocide wrote:
NightTrace wrote:
odj wrote:
Ic3b3rg wrote:

(( You guys need to come over to the dark side and join zion, we have real Liaisons SMILEY ))

That's the whole point of this thread, we shouldn't have to go zion just because our Liaisons are crap, we should be allowed to have a choice of which side we want to represent and then have Liaisons that do their job and back us up.
QFT
Liaisons, shouldn't have any bearing on what organisation you work with....surely?
They do, to an extent. Because if your liaisons don't log on, then you're missing out on a lot of content. Interacting with liaisons allows one to stay IC 100% and have an intelligent conversation with them. Without Systematica on Vector, I'm not sure what I'd do because Systematica is a really big reason behind me continuing to play the game itself. So, what the machinsts here are going through, I can only half comprehend. If someone on another org, one like Zion who are binded by the truce with The Machines, manage to interact with you on a great level like Merrit does then naturally that affects you and your decision on what org your in.
#36300276670 07/08/2007 09:17:25 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

It's ticking over to the four month mark. My question is, they obviously don't care, why do you? And by they, I mean the decision makers. Or maker, in this case. Just drop it. And we can all get back to the many non-answers and =PPP.

Maybe next year, if we're REALLY lucky, we'll get Pink Formal Gloves, or something even cooler!

SMILEY

#36300276682 07/08/2007 10:02:36 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Vitamin wrote:

Maybe next year, if we're REALLY lucky, we'll get Pink Formal Gloves, or something even cooler!

Green formal gloves?! OMG OMG OMG /asskiss5.0 =PpPpPpP
#36300276692 07/08/2007 10:29:29 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Read the OP, not the replies, so excuse me if I repeat anything already said.

Exivy is a Cyph liaison and she still interacts with me more than Torman and Eventual do. While I will respect them for being our liaisons when they are being our liaisons, I can't respect them when they're nowhere to be found.

Once they were threatened to be replaced by more active LESIG actors, they suddenly became active again, but only on days when there was an event or if they had to tell us to do something. They outright refuse to get involved in the community. They refuse to go to player events or parties. They refuse to be active on any day that's not a LESIG event revolving around this Major Masters device crap. What's going on here?

TO RAREBIT: THEY OUTRIGHT REFUSE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY


THEY OUTRIGHT REFUSE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY

REFUSE

Off with their heads.



#36300276695 07/08/2007 10:39:13 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Read the OP, not the replies, so excuse me if I repeat anything already said.

Exivy is a Cyph liaison and she still interacts with me more than Torman and Eventual do. While I will respect them for being our liaisons when they are being our liaisons, I can't respect them when they're nowhere to be found.

Once they were threatened to be replaced by more active LESIG actors, they suddenly became active again, but only on days when there was an event or if they had to tell us to do something. They outright refuse to get involved in the community. They refuse to go to player events or parties. They refuse to be active on any day that's not a LESIG event revolving around this Major Masters device crap. What's going on here?

TO RAREBIT: THEY OUTRIGHT REFUSE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY


THEY OUTRIGHT REFUSE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY

REFUSE

Off with their heads.




QFT

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#36300276704 07/08/2007 11:34:23 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
I vote Pyraci for Mech Liaison.
#36300276713 07/08/2007 12:28:23 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Read the OP, not the replies, so excuse me if I repeat anything already said.

Exivy is a Cyph liaison and she still interacts with me more than Torman and Eventual do. While I will respect them for being our liaisons when they are being our liaisons, I can't respect them when they're nowhere to be found.

Once they were threatened to be replaced by more active LESIG actors, they suddenly became active again, but only on days when there was an event or if they had to tell us to do something. They outright refuse to get involved in the community. They refuse to go to player events or parties. They refuse to be active on any day that's not a LESIG event revolving around this Major Masters device crap. What's going on here?

TO RAREBIT: THEY OUTRIGHT REFUSE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY


THEY OUTRIGHT REFUSE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY

REFUSE

Off with their heads.




QUOTED FOR ABSOLUTE TRUTH

LESIG shouldn't be about people who care about the game. It should be about people who care about the community!
#36300276834 07/08/2007 18:13:41 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
It strikes me that there are people (like our friends Fen and Trace) who are always IC, who have demonstrated that their characters care for their org, and who have shown the ability to draw the line between IC and OOC information and attitudes (even Trace. SMILEY ). I've always wondered why LESIG wasn't chosen in an open fashion, with liaisons appointed from within the ranks of respected community members.

Sure, there would be cries of favoritism - most of these respected players have particular factions - but honestly I'm starting to think that "Omg favoritism" would be less of a problem than "our liaisons don't know our community and never log in". People like Fen, Trace, Pyraci... these guys would be great liaisons, if they were willing to agree to drop their factions and work for the greater good of the org as a whole. The thing is... I know these guys. You know these guys. They're part of our community. They're all capable of handling the job.

When the liaisons started showing up, I had the same issue (and NOT just because I wanted Void to have a shot at Merv liaison around here - though everyone who knows me should know that I wouldn't turn it down if offered). Why didn't the Devs choose respected and known characters from within the orgs? Characters with existing stories and connections to the various factions?

It may never happen, and it probably won't, but I still feel like that would be the best way to handle things. Why do we need 3 liaisons per org who never log in (in some cases - there have been some excellent liaisons as well), when we can draw on existing players who log on every day and who have PROVEN themselves to be respectable, both IC and OOC?


- Void
Recursion: n - See Recursion.
Void's Sig
#36300276839 07/08/2007 18:23:21 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
EndlessVoid wrote:
It strikes me that there are people (like our friends Fen and Trace) who are always IC, who have demonstrated that their characters care for their org, and who have shown the ability to draw the line between IC and OOC information and attitudes (even Trace. SMILEY ). I've always wondered why LESIG wasn't chosen in an open fashion, with liaisons appointed from within the ranks of respected community members.

Sure, there would be cries of favoritism - most of these respected players have particular factions - but honestly I'm starting to think that "Omg favoritism" would be less of a problem than "our liaisons don't know our community and never log in". People like Fen, Trace, Pyraci... these guys would be great liaisons, if they were willing to agree to drop their factions and work for the greater good of the org as a whole. The thing is... I know these guys. You know these guys. They're part of our community. They're all capable of handling the job.

When the liaisons started showing up, I had the same issue (and NOT just because I wanted Void to have a shot at Merv liaison around here - though everyone who knows me should know that I wouldn't turn it down if offered). Why didn't the Devs choose respected and known characters from within the orgs? Characters with existing stories and connections to the various factions?

It may never happen, and it probably won't, but I still feel like that would be the best way to handle things.


- Void

I agree.

I suppose the only thing I see restraining that option is that many players have made themselves known OOC, as we are right now, and many others know how to contact these people in an out of character manner (XFire, AIM, E-Mail, whatever) and I could see where that might be a liability.

As it stands, most people have not seen the current LESIG members go out of character (spare appropriate moments), at least within the context of the game, and do not know the identity of the player behind the character, so they wouldn't know if they've ever engaged with them in any Out of Character context. All the know is the character, not the player. So I could see where having the player in the mix might be a bit of a problem.

However, there is also accountability. If you go inactive without reason or explanation, you will be hounded personally, and will not be able to hide behind the shield of anonynimity.

In my opinion, promotions would make more sense, being that currently it's just "Oh, someone you've never heard of was promoted to liaison." "Wait, what? I've done more than them! I've never even heard of them, and they never even considered me for the position!"

Seems like a bit of a catch-22 as far as remaining in character goes. It'd work fine for me if the players promoted would have to be full-time in character from that point on, though. 'Cause it really does bug me when I see a liaison go out of character for some stupid reason like telling someone not to curse (*cough*, Rivvet, *cough*).

But I guess all of that is beside the point. Yes, this situation does need to be remedied, and we have run out of time and patience. Can 'em and move on to the reserves. That's just how it's got to be.

The issue can be avoided no longer.

#36300276868 07/08/2007 19:06:49 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

Accountability, now theres a word that needs to be used more often. Why would the big wigs of this game (those higher up on the food chain above walrus mind you) allow the use of Players as Liasions to the LET (rarebit) which is suppose to keep the community informed of events and help in making this community even tighter with richer RP and more story tellingness (yes i made up that word).

We know that this game has no funding, and its down a lot on the Dev team since HCfrog left. But cant they just get a couple of Interns and sit them down and say "Ok, for the next 8 hours of your shift and any time your here you are going to be helping by being a Liasion"

And what is happening with the money that is being made off the Ads inside the matrix game anyways? Is that just getting collected by those big wigs?

I am also a big supporter of a Test server (we had one before!) but I guess the live servers are enough to be used as a test bed for the patchs I guess.

This rant was brought to you by me, my views are in no way how I view my fellow players and/or Devs/CSRs/QAteam/interns/Webteam/or any other job titled that one or two people have. My views are strictly my own and how I preceive how the Big wigs are running things.

#36300276960 07/08/2007 23:24:23 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
I have found the perfect picture of NightTrace in this situation:


#36300276976 07/09/2007 00:20:14 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Reposco is on, he just doesn't entertain other Organization's Operatives the way Zeissman will.
#36300276987 07/09/2007 00:53:54 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Vaico wrote:
Reposco is on, he just doesn't entertain other Organization's Operatives the way Zeissman will.


Actually, Reposco's a pretty fun guy to talk to.  The man even offered to go have a drink with me.  Zeissman and Reposco will carry on conversations and debates with me, Toluca will tease me with cake, Merrit and Rylet allow me to help them out and chat with me in general.

Eventual and Torman barely talk to me, and from what I hear, won't even conversate with members of opposing organizations.

Been there, done that, and it pissed everyone off.  TAMIE anyone?

#36300276998 07/09/2007 01:41:41 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
ThePigeonKing wrote:
I have found the perfect picture of NightTrace in this situation:



cap0ne, what are you doing posting EPN propoganda?!?!?

but wait, why would they want to receive The Kid?

#36300277009 07/09/2007 02:19:44 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Vaico wrote:
Reposco is on, he just doesn't entertain other Organization's Operatives the way Zeissman will.


Reposco is a *CENSORED* nice fella. So is Zeissman. EPN really lucked out in round two.

To be honest, all of the new LESIG members are awesome as far as talent goes, except, well, except the Machine liaisons. There are also some quantity issues, as in people we never see in the game, i.e. also the Machine liaisons (and sadly, I never see Caelifera much, either).

So does there seem to be a common denomenator here?

#36300277022 07/09/2007 02:51:22 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Honestly... What's so bad about people being IC ingame and OOC on the forums?
Rarebit does it all the time, and everyone's fine with it.

Maybe those promoted to Liaison status should have a separate forum account for "official" posts, with the "Liaison" rank and all that. Their other account could be for them to function as a player, the way Rarebit uses his dev account to speak OOC and his LE character accounts for IC posts.

- Void
Recursion: n - See Recursion.
Void's Sig
#36300277025 07/09/2007 03:02:08 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
EndlessVoid wrote:
Honestly... What's so bad about people being IC ingame and OOC on the forums?
Rarebit does it all the time, and everyone's fine with it.

Maybe those promoted to Liaison status should have a separate forum account for "official" posts, with the "Liaison" rank and all that. Their other account could be for them to function as a player, the way Rarebit uses his dev account to speak OOC and his LE character accounts for IC posts.

- Void


Actually, I liked it a lot better when I didn't know who was behind the Live Event characters...  but that's just me.  Interacting with Live Event characters has lost a bit of it's "magic" now that I know Rarebit is behind them.  When you meet a character like Niobe, or Gray, or the Merovingian...  it feels like I'm meeting a character played by Rarebit, as opposed to actually meeting the character.

If that makes sense...

Like, when I'd meet Morpheus back in the day, it really felt like I was meeting the character of Morpheus.

I -hate- seeing LESIG characters go OOC.  I don't WANT to know who's behind them.  I don't WANT to know the player.  I like the mystery, and I don't really want to hold a grudge against a liaison because I don't like the player OOC.  Because you know that would happen with a lot of people here.

Let's say NightTrace played a LESIG liaison for EPN.  Half of EPN hate NightTrace.  A lot of people can't seperate that wall between IC and OOC...  if they knew Trace was the guy who played the liaison, they'd think that every single time the Machines ruined an EPN plan, it would be because Trace leaked it...  which wouldn't be true.

This game generates more drama then daytime television.  I think it's bad enough having LESIG comprised of players without having to know who the players actually are.

~Fen

#36300277079 07/09/2007 05:27:08 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
You make a good point, Fen.
Those early days were the best, and honestly what we need is the institution of a new LET.

But just as honestly, that's probably never going to be in the cards. The current LESIG plan has been set up to avoid drama, but drama has happened anyway - drama will always happen. I'd take knowing who the Liaisons are OOC over having Liaisons that don't know their server or org's population.

- Void


You're right that a lot of people wouldn't be keen on that, though. I like to believe that most people are capable of separating OOC and IC, but maybe in some ways I'm still back on Regression. SMILEY
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Void's Sig
#36300277160 07/09/2007 08:20:23 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
I've always seen it like this... Characters are characters are characters. End. Of. Story. We aren't watching a movie anymore. This is The Matrix. You can't have Laurence Fishburne walking around going by "Larry" during the movie. Keanu can't break the fourth wall and laugh at the camera when The Oracle says something funny. You can't have the actors lining up at the end scene of a movie saying "Hi, I'm Hugo Weaving and I was playing Agent Smith in the movie you just saw."

This is not "let's play dress-up". When you're a LESIG member, the game aspect should completely vanish. IC and OOC don't exist. Morpheus is Morpheus. Period. Morpheus isn't Rarebit = Morpheus. Anything other than TOTAL DEVOTION as a character - be it on DN1, in game or wherever - is completely and entirely unacceptable.

You can't have LESIG saying "((brb food))" during an event. There is no reason to break character for anything. Movies are movies. Why is this any different? Is this not simply another medium meant to accomplish the same as, or even more than a movie? If I'm mistaken, then this game and "experience" have been nothing but a mistake and a waste of time.

This is truly disgusting on every possible level.
#36300277335 07/09/2007 12:56:29 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Dear Torman,

You are inactive, you are corrupt, and you are a liaison for personal gain. You have not allowed Recursion Machinists a proper live event in months. Not being able to go into buildings without massive lag is not an excuse.

Step down.




To my fellow Recursionite Machinists:

If you wish to see a difference and receive the content you are paying for, please refuse any and all orders from our inactive liaison officers Torman and Eventual. Tell them you're mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore.

Players corrupted by an ego that has resulted in their inactive LESIG position will not be tolerated. kthxbye
#36300277345 07/09/2007 13:27:47 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Dear Torman,

You are inactive, you are corrupt, and you are a liaison for personal gain. You have not allowed Recursion Machinists a proper live event in months. Not being able to go into buildings without massive lag is not an excuse.

Step down.




To my fellow Recursionite Machinists:

If you wish to see a difference and receive the content you are paying for, please refuse any and all orders from our inactive liaison officers Torman and Eventual. Tell them you're mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore.

Players corrupted by an ego that has resulted in their inactive LESIG position will not be tolerated. kthxbye

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
#36300277355 07/09/2007 13:40:53 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

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#36300277484 07/09/2007 16:35:04 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Guys, I have been singing this same song for over 2 months.

I'll be right here to cheerlead and wave the banner all I can, but you need to know that nothing will get done about this. It is easiest to do nothing. Doing nothing about it is less effort than doing something. It cost nothing to do nothing about it.

All of these posts will go unanswered. Any PM on the subject will go unanswered. All facts are in vane. All pleas for fairness fall on deaf ears. All good ideas will be tossed out.

Nothing will happen.

They do not care.

Let me repeat that. It is important.

They do not care.

/dap: /salute: /peace out
#36300277568 07/09/2007 18:59:16 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Thank you, for showing how in the end this gets fixed.

Ban the OP of the deleted thread. And in a startling show of effort, the accused duel clients for almost 30 minutes. Because I've never seen someone duel client...therefor we must be wrong.

This entire situation disgusts me, but the higher ups way of fixing things just disapoints me.


#36300277581 07/09/2007 19:32:42 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

Was it an ingame ban, a forum ban, or just a suspention. Not that any are justifiable but there is still a difrence in the three.


#36300277588 07/09/2007 19:45:10 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

Forum ban/suspension.

#36300277912 07/10/2007 09:30:38 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

Actully after I asked about what type of ban it was on the forums cap0ne told me ingame that it was a forum ban not because of his post but because of his sig. Now yes baning someone from the forums for a sig when you could have just as easily told them to change it is still f-ed up but its nearly as f-ed up as it would have been because of his post. As you can see his post is still around on this thread (meaning eithe A the mods haven't found it and taken it down or B there is nothing wrong with it) and the only reason the other thread was locked/moved was because it turned into a flame war taht had revealed the ID of a LEISG member.


#36300277913 07/10/2007 09:32:31 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
GamiSB wrote:

Actully after I asked about what type of ban it was on the forums cap0ne told me ingame that it was a forum ban not because of his post but because of his sig. Now yes baning someone from the forums for a sig when you could have just as easily told them to change it is still f-ed up but its nearly as f-ed up as it would have been because of his post. As you can see his post is still around on this thread (meaning eithe A the mods haven't found it and taken it down or B there is nothing wrong with it) and the only reason the other thread was locked/moved was because it turned into a flame war taht had revealed the ID of a LEISG member.


That doesn't resolve the issue he was complaining about, and that's what is needed.
#36300277917 07/10/2007 09:38:15 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Vitamin wrote:
GamiSB wrote:

Actully after I asked about what type of ban it was on the forums cap0ne told me ingame that it was a forum ban not because of his post but because of his sig. Now yes baning someone from the forums for a sig when you could have just as easily told them to change it is still f-ed up but its nearly as f-ed up as it would have been because of his post. As you can see his post is still around on this thread (meaning eithe A the mods haven't found it and taken it down or B there is nothing wrong with it) and the only reason the other thread was locked/moved was because it turned into a flame war taht had revealed the ID of a LEISG member.


That doesn't resolve the issue he was complaining about, and that's what is needed.

Oh I know, just correcting the reasoning of being banned. I think we can agree that if he was forum banned for his post it would be a very diffrent story as there is nothing wrong with his post. His sig however was borderline and while still maybe not worthy of a forum ban it was bound to have been asked to be removed at some point.

I can agree that this is a problem and needs to be fixed and haveing been there before with no LO and no content I can almsot sympathize with ya. And its obvious there are still bugs in the program. We've lost 8 LOs in 4 months and thats not even counting teh inactive ones.


#36300277968 07/10/2007 11:47:21 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
We know this thread is here and trust me we are all keeping an eye on it. For now everything is within the TOS and those few posts that goes outside of the TOS have been removed. The thread will remain open as long as we keep things civil and within the TOS.
#36300278062 07/10/2007 13:49:07 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
#36300278084 07/10/2007 14:12:20 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]

Skull thinks that NightTrace is correct, the machine liasions on recursion are lame!!! At the last zion meeting LifeDestroyer, my alt and leader of Deletion spoke to eventual and told him that he would be happy to help the guy lvl up some... He responds right after with "I'll take you up on that offer" How can he do that if he doesn't come on?! /shrug Anyways Rarebit needs to do something right now about them. Pick a vetaran player that has been machine forever or is very dedicated to the org and appoint them as machine liasion. Screw all the secret crap and just make one of us the liasion. Someone that will not screw up and will support this org with all of their ability. I for one think that it's bull that EPN gets someone like Zeissman and they aren't even a real orginization!!!! That guy is the sole reason why EPN has so many numbers on this server and I for one think that is bull.

RAREBIT HOLD A CONTEST ON RECURSION AND GIVE 1ST AND 2ND PLACE TO ONLY MACHINES THE SPOT OF LIASION!!!! CAPS LOCK FTW!!!!!!

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#36300278098 07/10/2007 14:29:45 Re:LESIG [Yep, another LESIG thread made by NT]
Nah, man. It's not going to happen like that. If there is indeed change in the Machine org on Recursion(which I truly hope does happen), it has to happen the right way. Having a person overtly selected is going to cause more problems than it fixes.