[7.3.3] This simulacrum may present a threat to the System - Recursion - 6/18/07

Operatives,

Observation and interrogation by myself and System operatives leads us to conclude that the simulacrum who has posed as the terrorist Morpheus does not constitute a threat to the simulation at this time. Operatives are instructed to continue monitoring the program.

Efficiently,

Agent Gray

Interesting... I wish I could have been there.

=O
the simulacrum died.... a well...

This seems to be a good beginning to something that was meant to cause war.  If he can be given a purpose as an instrument of peace instead of the instrument of war he was then we should do all we can to assist in that.

I am pleased Agent Gray decided he was not a threat to the system and it was nice seeing all those machine operatives attempting to assist the sim.

~Red

Cool

Morpheus: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

Simulacrum: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

Yeah well we all see how well that path turned out for the original, eh? 

Morpheus: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

((As Cappy said:

Excuse me, Operatives. /forcepush

))

Let's keep this one away from Seraph.

cov wrote:

Morpheus: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

Stop preaching propoganda.  Without control there is chaos.  You are reading in between the lines.  You are free, remember that.

Gray answers that way because he is a Machine.  He lacks the ability to comprehend certain values that you and I do.  For the Machines, control IS neccessary.  We, humans, give them life.  Is it right?  Maybe not from our perspective.  Was it right for us to raise cattle in a farm to be slaughtered and eaten?  I know we're comparing apples and oranges, but the nature of the question remains the same.

For the record, I do not support the slavery of humanity.  BUT, I do believe that the ONLY way that we are going to be able to move on and to see our people free one day is to work with the Machines towards peace, and to get them to be able to trust us again.

You people that think this problem can be solved overnight by destroying the Matrix are kidding yourselves.  First off, the most likely scenario would be that all those folks plugged in would die.  You're talking the deaths of millions, maybe even billions, of humans.  Are you going to give them the choice whether they want to die or not?  But, let's say you can bring the Matrix down and still keep everyone alive, 99% of those people will probably die because they were not ready to be freed.  As for everyone else, how will you support them?  Clothe them?  Feed them?  The surface cannot support life right now, and Zion isn't THAT big to hold all of humanity.

We need to work to get that sky cleared before we start talking about freeing all of humanity.  And for those of you guys that think the Machines have the capability of clearing the sky...  you're dead wrong.  If they did, they would've done it already.  The sun is a MUCH more reliable and stable source of energy then a human being.

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

EDIT:  The reason I ask that, is because you are comparing those of us that are here for peace with those that are complete psychos.  The Machinists that were "preaching peace" were not the ones saying to delete the program.  If you took your head out of your *CENSORED* for just a few moments and actually READ the transmission, you would've realized that.

Stop preaching propoganda.  Without control there is chaos freedom.  You are reading in between the lines.  You are free, remember that.

Corrected.   

In any event, am I really free?  Are you?  We're only "free" because Neo made the Machines promise to let us be "free" - and our so-called "freedom" depends solely on the Machines' continued compliance with the Truce.

And we've seen how reliable/trustworthy they are . . .

Moreover, I prefer to think a little more broadly than just my personal freedom.  I don't consider any human free until all of us are free.  Until the Matrix is dismantled for good, our individual "freedom" is qualified and incomplete.

My point is that the Machine apologists are the ones who're taken in by propaganda - they have been seduced into believing that this illusion of freedom actually is freedom.  Moreover, they have chosen to not demand anything more than the Machines are willing to give, just like the good little slaves that we all have been bred to be.

Good thing for the rest of us: the spirit of humanity transcends all the Machines' efforts at mind control and genetic engineering.  You still have the choice to demand freedom - for all of us.

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Did I point you out individually? No. I don't need to point it out either, it's too apparent for it's own good. Maybe you should start teaching your foot soldiers some discipline and manners before sending them out amongst real people.

All members of my crew are disciplined and feel as I do about peace.  Again, you fail.  I do not control the entire Machine organization, nor should I be held responsible for their actions.  A captain is only responsible for his crew, which I take a certain manner of pride in, as you well should know.

I took your message personally since you said that immediately after my comment, and I was one of the biggest advocates of peace there.  But again, not a single Machinist who was praising peace with the Machines was harrassing or threatening the simulacra.

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Did I point you out individually? No. I don't need to point it out either, it's too apparent for it's own good. Maybe you should start teaching your foot soldiers some discipline and manners before sending them out amongst real people.

All members of my crew are disciplined and feel as I do about peace.  Again, you fail.  I do not control the entire Machine organization, nor should I be held responsible for their actions.  A captain is only responsible for his crew, which I take a certain manner of pride in, as you well should know.

I took your message personally since you said that immediately after my comment, and I was one of the biggest advocates of peace there.  But again, not a single Machinist who was praising peace with the Machines was harrassing or threatening the simulacra.

Blimey, first one on the scene...thats how I like it...hehe...

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Did I point you out individually? No. I don't need to point it out either, it's too apparent for it's own good. Maybe you should start teaching your foot soldiers some discipline and manners before sending them out amongst real people.

All members of my crew are disciplined and feel as I do about peace.  Again, you fail.  I do not control the entire Machine organization, nor should I be held responsible for their actions.  A captain is only responsible for his crew, which I take a certain manner of pride in, as you well should know.

I took your message personally since you said that immediately after my comment, and I was one of the biggest advocates of peace there.  But again, not a single Machinist who was praising peace with the Machines was harrassing or threatening the simulacra.

Really? Look closer.

The foot soldiers remark was a general insult to people like Illyria. Stop taking everything so personally Fen. This is personal: What kind of captain doesn't have the decency to help other captains when they can't silence their fools? I expect a witty comeback about how I'm a fool.

And no NightTrace, I was not referring to you.

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Did I point you out individually? No. I don't need to point it out either, it's too apparent for it's own good. Maybe you should start teaching your foot soldiers some discipline and manners before sending them out amongst real people.

All members of my crew are disciplined and feel as I do about peace.  Again, you fail.  I do not control the entire Machine organization, nor should I be held responsible for their actions.  A captain is only responsible for his crew, which I take a certain manner of pride in, as you well should know.

I took your message personally since you said that immediately after my comment, and I was one of the biggest advocates of peace there.  But again, not a single Machinist who was praising peace with the Machines was harrassing or threatening the simulacra.

Really? Look closer.

The foot soldiers remark was a general insult to people like Illyria. Stop taking everything so personally Fen. This is personal: What kind of captain doesn't have the decency to help other captains when they can't silence their fools? I expect a witty comeback about how I'm a fool.

And no NightTrace, I was not referring to you.

So you were insulting Illyria?

Satta wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Did I point you out individually? No. I don't need to point it out either, it's too apparent for it's own good. Maybe you should start teaching your foot soldiers some discipline and manners before sending them out amongst real people.

All members of my crew are disciplined and feel as I do about peace.  Again, you fail.  I do not control the entire Machine organization, nor should I be held responsible for their actions.  A captain is only responsible for his crew, which I take a certain manner of pride in, as you well should know.

I took your message personally since you said that immediately after my comment, and I was one of the biggest advocates of peace there.  But again, not a single Machinist who was praising peace with the Machines was harrassing or threatening the simulacra.

Really? Look closer.

The foot soldiers remark was a general insult to people like Illyria. Stop taking everything so personally Fen. This is personal: What kind of captain doesn't have the decency to help other captains when they can't silence their fools? I expect a witty comeback about how I'm a fool.

And no NightTrace, I was not referring to you.

So you were insulting Illyria?

Yeah. Usually that becomes apparent when I say so myself.

So it's wrong to hassle a program, in character, thats designed after a man who terrorized the Matrix with the intent of making sure he doesn't pick up where the former left off?

So it's wrong to hassle a program, in character, thats designed after a man who terrorized the Matrix with the intent of making sure he doesn't pick up where the former left off?

*sighs and shakes her head*

Illyria

Roukan wrote:

Satta wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Fen wrote:

Roukan wrote:

You know what I love? Machinists preach peace, but they insult and hassle a program. They threaten him too.

Natural selection fails.

Point out where I ever insulted or hassled this program.

Did I point you out individually? No. I don't need to point it out either, it's too apparent for it's own good. Maybe you should start teaching your foot soldiers some discipline and manners before sending them out amongst real people.

All members of my crew are disciplined and feel as I do about peace.  Again, you fail.  I do not control the entire Machine organization, nor should I be held responsible for their actions.  A captain is only responsible for his crew, which I take a certain manner of pride in, as you well should know.

I took your message personally since you said that immediately after my comment, and I was one of the biggest advocates of peace there.  But again, not a single Machinist who was praising peace with the Machines was harrassing or threatening the simulacra.

Really? Look closer.

The foot soldiers remark was a general insult to people like Illyria. Stop taking everything so personally Fen. This is personal: What kind of captain doesn't have the decency to help other captains when they can't silence their fools? I expect a witty comeback about how I'm a fool.

And no NightTrace, I was not referring to you.

So you were insulting Illyria?

Yeah. Usually that becomes apparent when I say so myself.

Thank you for reminding me why we banned you from our ventrillo.