65 posts · 2007-06-12 20:16:37 to 2007-06-19 16:05:59
Gotta be humiliating getting your butt handed to you by your own simulacrum. Nice of the General to make it clear that this thing was his creation all along. And if the old rust-bucket really is leaving after the repeated beat-downs we and everyone else have given him, that's the best news I've heard in a real long time.
It always made perfect sense. It was far too opportune, the messages too directed, too obviously directed to incite conflict and hatred.
It was too military.
It's nice to know who was pulling the strings for certain, I suppose, and even more... entertaining to see him have a conflict with his own creation. I could give a *CENSORED* what happens to this Morpheus Simulacrum - it's caused us enough damage and trouble that we won't want it around.
It seems that EPN still worship fake Morpheuses, though, maybe it can go hang out with them.
Form dictates function eh?
A few thoughts...
the general might find a nasty surprise if he attacks Zion - Niobe (paraphrased) : could this be illuding to the hardware being moved out of Zion?
The General is a shrewd and cunning mind. I would not be at all surprised if this apparent mutany causing him to run with his tail between his legs is merely a ploy to lowwer our guard towards the simulacrum and assume the General is on the run... I wouldn't be the first diversionary tactic he's tried. (( His face is on the Megacity Map that came with the Game box... don't assume he'll be gone anytime soon. How many main events has he been the root cause of... even the unlimits))
If it really was Morpheus that was killed by the assassin, and it really was his corpse that exploded into a cloud of flies, what's to say that this sim that has been filled with the appearance, behavioral patterns and recordings of the real Morpheus isn't acting like a lightning-rod attracting more of Morpheus' mind into it (assuming that morpheus' psyche was partially or completely dispersed into the code of the Matrix).
Who can say what unpredictable things may be happening now that the reset cycle of the Matrix has been brought to a halt.
Nothing ever goes quite right...
Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable. His rebellion wasn't.
Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.
Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?
Only blessing: Missing out on the spam.Form dictates function eh?
A few thoughts...
the general might find a nasty surprise if he attacks Zion - Niobe (paraphrased) : could this be illuding to the hardware being moved out of Zion?
The General is a shrewd and cunning mind. I would not be at all surprised if this apparent mutany causing him to run with his tail between his legs is merely a ploy to lowwer our guard towards the simulacrum and assume the General is on the run... I wouldn't be the first diversionary tactic he's tried. (( His face is on the Megacity Map that came with the Game box... don't assume he'll be gone anytime soon. How many main events has he been the root cause of... even the unlimits))
If it really was Morpheus that was killed by the assassin, and it really was his corpse that exploded into a cloud of flies, what's to say that this sim that has been filled with the appearance, behavioral patterns and recordings of the real Morpheus isn't acting like a lightning-rod attracting more of Morpheus' mind into it (assuming that morpheus' psyche was partially or completely dispersed into the code of the Matrix).
Who can say what unpredictable things may be happening now that the reset cycle of the Matrix has been brought to a halt.
Nothing ever goes quite right...
Whilst there is currently little to support such a theory, I like this idea alot: It holds a certain symmetry. With all this corrupted code which is flying around Megacity at the moment, it would also be a very nice fly tie-in.
My initial thoughts were not as well constructed as phi. I simply considered the classic downfall of evil tyrants generally (no pun intended), and how they can often hold a pivotal role to the outcast minion. Might this simulacrum hold the key to the end of The General?
((Another Euro-friendly LE with a good attendence by many of the influencial figures on Syntax. It was also nice to see The Big Man mixing it up; even if he was a fake. A nice simple event to offer us all some closure on the "Is he/isn't he? debate. Nice :thumbup
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As for the Morpheus Simulacrum, what will happen of him?
phi wrote:Form dictates function eh?
A few thoughts...
the general might find a nasty surprise if he attacks Zion - Niobe (paraphrased) : could this be illuding to the hardware being moved out of Zion?
The General is a shrewd and cunning mind. I would not be at all surprised if this apparent mutany causing him to run with his tail between his legs is merely a ploy to lowwer our guard towards the simulacrum and assume the General is on the run... I wouldn't be the first diversionary tactic he's tried. (( His face is on the Megacity Map that came with the Game box... don't assume he'll be gone anytime soon. How many main events has he been the root cause of... even the unlimits))
If it really was Morpheus that was killed by the assassin, and it really was his corpse that exploded into a cloud of flies, what's to say that this sim that has been filled with the appearance, behavioral patterns and recordings of the real Morpheus isn't acting like a lightning-rod attracting more of Morpheus' mind into it (assuming that morpheus' psyche was partially or completely dispersed into the code of the Matrix).
Who can say what unpredictable things may be happening now that the reset cycle of the Matrix has been brought to a halt.
Nothing ever goes quite right...
Whilst there is currently little to support such a theory, I like this idea alot: It holds a certain symmetry. With all this corrupted code which is flying around Megacity at the moment, it would also be a very nice fly tie-in.My initial thoughts were not as well constructed as phi. I simply considered the classic downfall of evil tyrants generally (no pun intended), and how they can often hold a pivotal role to the outcast minion. Might this simulacrum hold the key to the end of The General?
((Another Euro-friendly LE with a good attendence by many of the influencial figures on Syntax. It was also nice to see The Big Man mixing it up; even if he was a fake. A nice simple event to offer us all some closure on the "Is he/isn't he? debate. Nice :thumbup
Then again perhaps this "empty shell" will find a new alliance with Cryptos. A shell created hollow and a Whole hollowed out... the first created to abuse Morpheus' legacy... to destroy the peace. The second made that way to prevent morpheus' ideals from coming to fruition. Two that search for the purpose that gives reason for existance.
As Smith said:
Agent Smith: But, as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
[Several Agent Smith Clones walk in]
Agent Smith Clone 1: It is purpose that created us.
Agent Smith Clone 2: Purpose that connects us.
Agent Smith Clone 3: Purpose that pulls us.
Agent Smith Clone 4: That guides us.
Agent Smith Clone 5: That drives us.
Agent Smith Clone 6: It is purpose that defines us.
Agent Smith Clone 7: Purpose that binds us.
And Morpheus:
Morpheus: ...I do not see coincidence, I see providence. I see purpose. I believe it our fate to be here. It is our destiny...
A new begining? Perhaps for Zion a new unified path, instead of just damage control. Always running around trying not to tick off the machines. I'm sick of stopping people from doing things, wouldn't mind actually working toward a positive goal for once.
Roukan wrote:What i mean is now what are we gonna do? It seems like the plot point we were going for was completely resolved before the third critical even came out..As for the Morpheus Simulacrum, what will happen of him?
Skill wrote:
Why do i always find myself asking this...
Now what?
Random prediction. Morpheus really is dead, but this simulacrum will take his place.
About time some kicked the General's *CENSORED* also what i was looking forward to see!! And about time, we got the mystery of Motpheus signal's closed...well at least we know that was a Sim(pson)
Should we have finish the General of, once and for all?
Peace Zion!
img>So The General was behind it all along?!
Oh my, didn't see that one coming 
(( Lucky guess.So The General was behind it all along?!
Oh my, didn't see that one coming
))It is good we finally have an answer to the Morpheus Sim. It really isn't a big surprise that the General was behind it, the constant warmongering by the Sim was a pretty big clue. The Sim turning on it's creator was a surprise, though not an unwelcome one.
I do wonder what that Sim will do now. Keeping an eye on it seems to be a good idea to me.
However, all credit goes to Zampano who was the first to voice the suggestion that the General was directly behind this, months ago before it had even been discovered that the signal was fake. Everyone else in this thread who saw this coming only worked it out after reading what he and the Machinists said. Or, I guess, worked it out only recently, when it became even more obvious after it was determined that the signal was a fake.
Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!((You're assuming a lot there.))
*Pauses for breath.*
Ah-hahahahahahahahahah! Oh my, if that isn't the funniest series of events I've ever read about.
Hate to have to say it, kids, but: we told you so!
Roukan wrote:Or Morpheus is alive and seen in the last cinematic watching the destruction of the General's base. It was him that got a hold of the Morpheus Sim and reprogrammed it which is why the Sim rebelled against the General.As for the Morpheus Simulacrum, what will happen of him?
Skill wrote:
Why do i always find myself asking this...
Now what?
Random prediction. Morpheus really is dead, but this simulacrum will take his place.
((You're assuming a lot there.))
Show me where anyone else suggested it was the General earlier. Unfortunately Zampano only posted his theory on a private forum which I can't link to, but I nabbed his theory and posted it here:
Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable. His rebellion wasn't.
Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.
Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?
The_Big_V wrote:I call dibs on being the next villain.Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable. His rebellion wasn't.
Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.
Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?
NightTrace wrote:Apparently Chapter 8 could be focusing more on the Merovingian, from the Image Retrieval a few weeks back.The_Big_V wrote:I call dibs on being the next villain.Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable. His rebellion wasn't.
Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.
Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?
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Coro wrote:phi wrote:Form dictates function eh?
A few thoughts...
the general might find a nasty surprise if he attacks Zion - Niobe (paraphrased) : could this be illuding to the hardware being moved out of Zion?
The General is a shrewd and cunning mind. I would not be at all surprised if this apparent mutany causing him to run with his tail between his legs is merely a ploy to lowwer our guard towards the simulacrum and assume the General is on the run... I wouldn't be the first diversionary tactic he's tried. (( His face is on the Megacity Map that came with the Game box... don't assume he'll be gone anytime soon. How many main events has he been the root cause of... even the unlimits))
If it really was Morpheus that was killed by the assassin, and it really was his corpse that exploded into a cloud of flies, what's to say that this sim that has been filled with the appearance, behavioral patterns and recordings of the real Morpheus isn't acting like a lightning-rod attracting more of Morpheus' mind into it (assuming that morpheus' psyche was partially or completely dispersed into the code of the Matrix).
Who can say what unpredictable things may be happening now that the reset cycle of the Matrix has been brought to a halt.
Nothing ever goes quite right...
Whilst there is currently little to support such a theory, I like this idea alot: It holds a certain symmetry. With all this corrupted code which is flying around Megacity at the moment, it would also be a very nice fly tie-in.My initial thoughts were not as well constructed as phi. I simply considered the classic downfall of evil tyrants generally (no pun intended), and how they can often hold a pivotal role to the outcast minion. Might this simulacrum hold the key to the end of The General?
((Another Euro-friendly LE with a good attendence by many of the influencial figures on Syntax. It was also nice to see The Big Man mixing it up; even if he was a fake. A nice simple event to offer us all some closure on the "Is he/isn't he? debate. Nice :thumbup
Then again perhaps this "empty shell" will find a new alliance with Cryptos. A shell created hollow and a Whole hollowed out... the first created to abuse Morpheus' legacy... to destroy the peace. The second made that way to prevent morpheus' ideals from coming to fruition. Two that search for the purpose that gives reason for existance.As Smith said:
Agent Smith: But, as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
[Several Agent Smith Clones walk in]
Agent Smith Clone 1: It is purpose that created us.
Agent Smith Clone 2: Purpose that connects us.
Agent Smith Clone 3: Purpose that pulls us.
Agent Smith Clone 4: That guides us.
Agent Smith Clone 5: That drives us.
Agent Smith Clone 6: It is purpose that defines us.
Agent Smith Clone 7: Purpose that binds us.
And Morpheus:
Morpheus: ...I do not see coincidence, I see providence. I see purpose. I believe it our fate to be here. It is our destiny...A new begining? Perhaps for Zion a new unified path, instead of just damage control. Always running around trying not to tick off the machines. I'm sick of stopping people from doing things, wouldn't mind actually working toward a positive goal for once.
Hmmm.... I like your positive attitude, but matters can become hazy when one looks so far in to the future.
The current Machinist "I told you so" mentality is needless, and fails to recognise that all theories were solely speculation and equally valid. Debate is healthy, but retrospectively dressing your speculation as fact is somewhat unnecessary.
Machinists and Zionites should avoid such one-upmanship and focus on constructive issues. That said, I offer my congratulations who were first to consider the connection.
If we fall in to this pattern of behaviour, we risk the situation of a theorist becoming less forthcoming with their ideas; for fear of being latterly ridiculed.
Do not mistake my words as "sour grapes"; I appreciated the Mech call for caution as being sensible and I personally adopted a "wait and see" attitude. I realise this is essentially a non-opinion, but I felt unable to commit to a theory with the information we previously possessed.
Procurator wrote:Yes, because he was "the first"Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!((You're assuming a lot there.))
*Pauses for breath.*
Ah-hahahahahahahahahah! Oh my, if that isn't the funniest series of events I've ever read about.
Hate to have to say it, kids, but: we told you so!
NightTrace wrote:The_Big_V wrote:I call dibs on being the next villain.Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable. His rebellion wasn't.
Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.
Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?
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NO!
Those dibs are reserved for the PILL!
/mood totallypissedoffvengeanceismine
To all the I told you so's... Whatever. It's not like everyone said you were wrong. It seems to me that prety much every possible outcome was speculated on ... so someone had to be right.
Unless you made some money by placing a bet shut your yap. you sound like a frickin' 3 year old.
And no... I'm not oposing your ideas, it's what I suspected too. I just think you're making yourselves look like jerks.
As for the sim's rebellion ... it would seem that the General's biggest weak point has always been rebellion within his ranks. It was a turn-coat that helped rescue Sati, and it was a turn coat that gave us this recent development.
As for my theories... I'm sure the truth of what is happening is much more mundane... but I like to stimulate the imagination.
Although I still believe there is a fair chance that Morpheus left for 01 to find Neo, then the General noticed he was gone and replaced him with the sim that went and caused all the havoc with the bombs.
What are you on about? Why can we only say 'we told you so' if everyone said we were wrong? That's why there was an argument.To all the I told you so's... Whatever. It's not like everyone said you were wrong.
Back to the original question...
Is Morpheus dead or alive?
So much time and effort spent learning nothing of the truth about the real Morpheus.
