MA vs Spy

 Lets look at this in a mature way. I have been playing MxO for about a year now. I know that there are going to be times when there isn't going to be a fair fight (Zergs) and such. That doesn't bother me, but there are ways around that aswell; However Spies have an unfair advantage.

 Think about it. The spy has ranged weapons. They can slow you down or even root your character. All the whille throwing knives at you whilst a poison knife is constantly taking hitpoints from you. Once you are able to move they can root you again. To top it all off. After they have done all of this they can go back into sneak and then punt you. A spy can also sneak up on me as an Martial Artist even with detection on. I can see them creeping around and they can still Punt or do a throw attack on me before I get a chance to interlock them. I didn't even mention that my RSI is buffed out the Wazzu with thrown buffs.

Think about it Martial Art are the close quarter combatants. They are the equivalent of a tank in the Matrix. A poorly prepared Tank. The few buffs that they do have like in akido only last a short while

This is how I  see making it an equal playing field. Spies should have to have their  damage lowered a little, martial artist should have a strong buff against rooted if not Immunized to it, or Martial Artist should have a ranged weapon as well. Like throwing Stars or Throwing Daggers. Everyone else has a ranged weapon that can still be used in CQC. Being a martial artist. My guns barely even scratch NPCs (about 194 hitpoints on average and thats a level 30 npc) much less a buffed up PC. In real life, once an assasins cover is blown they would have a hard time taking out their target.

I don't expect to win every fight in pvp. I have won many and I have lost many, but I have never once won against a Spy at level 50.

MA can easily take on a knife thrower, Aikido can even do grab normals that cancel out their knife throws, just put some stats into thrown defense and your away.

block, wait until they've attacked your evade, switch to grab and break theirs. If they jump back immediatelly then on their next try lower your evade before they try to break your evade. It causes them to IL and you get one very shocked MKT/Assasin

pack-hunter wrote:

block, wait until they've attacked your evade, switch to grab and break theirs. If they jump back immediatelly then on their next try lower your evade before they try to break your evade. It causes them to IL and you get one very shocked MKT/Assasin

Or, wait for them to come to attack your shield, and drop it, they will go into IL with no Punt or Suplex and you can start while they wonder what just happened.  If they do roll out, your shield timer should be close to filling so you can repeat.

SolidRevolver wrote:

pack-hunter wrote:

block, wait until they've attacked your evade, switch to grab and break theirs. If they jump back immediatelly then on their next try lower your evade before they try to break your evade. It causes them to IL and you get one very shocked MKT/Assasin

Or, wait for them to come to attack your shield, and drop it, they will go into IL with no Punt or Suplex and you can start while they wonder what just happened.  If they do roll out, your shield timer should be close to filling so you can repeat.

/scratchhead

didn't I just say that

Yes... yes you did, if only I could read... @_@

Can read, cant type, cant talk..... quite a list I am gaining here

MAs do dominate in interlock if they have any idea what they're doing.

With a lower accuracy and defense than the spy I'm sure they do.... oh wait, no they don't.

Let me say this again, with hacker stats (ie +50% to thrown defense) and using Aikido grab I dodge a little less than half of the knife attacks that come at me, and thats against unskilled MKT's, the skilled MKT's eat me for lunch if I try that.

I say they drop the huge accuracy of MKT's and instead subsidize their sneak attacks with large CT bonuses, that way they need to hit a sneak attack on the MA (And will still have a good chance of doing so) if they hope to win in IL (as their regular knife won't outroll other attacks so easily), cause right now they can miss the Punt/Suplex and still smash any MA or gunner without breaking a sweat.

I've been MA for a week now with a broken hand, and I've yet to find a MKT (or any build, even) that's given me trouble. MA is pure EZ mode.

MA is pure EZ mode.

You know, with desperation on, I have yet to lose to an MKT. Or I've just been fighting sucky ones.

Well,

 lemme see here...Ok as far as 'fairness' goes in any MMO, it's never gone please everyone and it ain't gonna be perfect.

 Just because your MA, doesnt mean you have to do a 30 30 16 stat hack. choose your Atts. to suit the loadout you want to kill.

The post about immunity to roots etc. clearly not logical - ER's arnt gonna have much fun when they can't root an MA

If you complain that MKT's are 'owning' you, then there are a number of things you can do;

1. reconfigure your stats for an all out mkt def/resis or balance your existing Att. with some different def's etc (you get the idea)

2. Stay away from MKT's? everyone has a weakness, if your's is MKT, dont run in shouting sploits when you don't stand much chance of winning.

3. There are no rules in bringing an enemy down, bring some friends with you

4. find out a 30 30 16 Att MKT's weakness, then use that loadout

 These are a few things to try, in my opinion - as long as 'spamming' bugs etc are fixed, the Loadouts seem fair.

 See what you can do to counter your weakness. The games flexablility is there to use.

 Regards

Carloss

I have just turned Master Shadow as it is by far the best Loadout in the game

Tiango wrote:

I have just turned Master Shadow as it is by far the best Loadout in the game

My favorite thing to do is be a full Master Assassin, fight till my health gets low. Get next to a HL, /ms (my macro for loading master shadow), switch my hotbar which has Master Shadow, Activate it, ?????, Profit.


Gets em every time Tee hee....

I've been MA for a week now with a broken hand, and I've yet to find a MKT (or any build, even) that's given me trouble. MA is pure EZ mode.

I might have been gone for months, but I know little has changed. I have to disagree with MA being EZ mode, as well. Where as the Spy gets attacks that cause states that lead to other attacks, and massive damage combos, MAs have to endure an opponent long enough for a state to be caused inorder to do such high damage combos. Although MAs should have a significant advantage in Interlock, over every other class really, because virtually none of their special attacks are functional in freefire combat. It would be logical that a Spy entering close combat with an MA, not having taken inniative with a sneak attack should loose most of the time. That Sneak attack is really the ace up the Spy's sleave and without proper use of it a Spy shouldn't have much chance in close combat.

My $0.02