Buon giorno, operatives. I was pleased to be able to speak with many of you about current operations. It is refreshing to see your enthusiasm for protecting the System.
Efficientemente,
Agent Pace
System Liaison
[7.2.5] The Cypherite controller and I came to a friendly agreement - Recursion - 5/17/07
41 posts · 2007-05-18 20:01:17 to 2007-05-26 19:18:16
I loved the bit where it said "Ignoring NightTrace". Yet, it didn't say anything about ignoring the Cypherites at the Q&A session or the one talking about how hot it was to make-out with Veil.
PS: I bet you were REALLY dreading making this thread, Mr. Bit. 
Oooh, wow, he flipped someone the bird. Totally inappropiate Matrix behavior.
Well, anyway, nice to see just how much Pace has been affected, and to see her freely conversing with even the Cypherites.
Thanks for the pity event. Im glad I could make it, even if I did get ignored for being IC.
Take Car, Agent
Well, Agent Pace, that was certainly a very productive meeting. I am hoping that the relationship between the Machinists and the Cypherites continues to improve.
Oh, and thanks to all of the Machinists who helped out, tonight.
Yes, Cappy, that means you.
Well, that certainly appeared to be rather pointless. So the new way of "operating with" the Cypherites that Gray spoke of was simply offering them more power and influence? And Pace seems proud of herself for "negotiating" such a great deal? *sighs*
The sooner we speak, the better, Machines. It isn't speaking much to your character, or your willingness to maintain peace, for that matter, that you would continue to sponsor those who are killing our operatives, sabotaging our equipment, spying on us, and lying to the inhabitants of your own System, even after your so-called "control factor" has been removed.
God help me, if something doesn't happen soon... Maybe I'll see it plainly why Morpheus did what he did.
Iovai wrote:
/bowhead
As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
Oh, and thanks to all of the Machinists who helped out, tonight.
Yes, Cappy, that means you.
/bowhead
As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Iovai wrote:Oh, and thanks to all of the Machinists who helped out, tonight.
Yes, Cappy, that means you.
/bowhead
As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
You're only feeding the fire by supporting Cypherite relations. It'll only serve to make Zionites bitter, especially we who believe wholeheartedly in this Truce. And that will foster further E Pluribus Neo support, if not bolster their ranks.
I would also like to take this opportunity to reassert that in no way does Zion as a whole support E Pluribus Neo. Should individual operatives decide to do so, that is at their own discression, poor though it may be.
However, the fact remains that the Cypherites have killed our Captains in cold blood, not to mention the recent case where they then used the stolen hovercraft to EMP bomb the gates of Zion. What was the last "attrocity" that E Pluribus Neo has committed? Stealing information from the System? Come now...
Beside that little fact, if E Pluribus Neo is truly the problem, why are the Cypherites being assigned to spy and attack Zion? Shouldn't they be working on undermining E Pluribus Neo?
NightTrace wrote:
Oh and anybody noticed? But since her "repair" she only wears the naughty-naughty (as Rarebit once called them) sunglasses. I guess it's a sign that some of her human characteristics have been removed on the way.))
Thanks for the pity event. Im glad I could make it, even if I did get ignored for being IC.((I guess you're pissed? :-/
Oh and anybody noticed? But since her "repair" she only wears the naughty-naughty (as Rarebit once called them) sunglasses. I guess it's a sign that some of her human characteristics have been removed on the way.))
Neoteny wrote:
Rest assured, Machinists aren't pleased either. Note, however, that the Machines have requested Cypherite help in spying on Zion - that's all. The moment that Cypherites kill innocents on Machine orders or as a direct result of Machine orders... that's the day that everything's gone to hell.
The sooner we speak, the better, Machines. It isn't speaking much to your character, or your willingness to maintain peace, for that matter, that you would continue to sponsor those who are killing our operatives, sabotaging our equipment, spying on us, and lying to the inhabitants of your own System, even after your so-called "control factor" has been removed.
God help me, if something doesn't happen soon... Maybe I'll see it plainly why Morpheus did what he did.
Rest assured, Machinists aren't pleased either. Note, however, that the Machines have requested Cypherite help in spying on Zion - that's all. The moment that Cypherites kill innocents on Machine orders or as a direct result of Machine orders... that's the day that everything's gone to hell.
(( hmm... its odd that the movement of zion's resources has apparently become public discussable knowledge. Thought it was all meant to be hush hush between the agents and certain secret service cyphs. The line between IC and OOC knowledge needs to be kept in mind at all times. ))
(( A lot of people saw it on computer screens, and probably felt like discussing it.
There's a general problem with how much people know. Missions, cinematics, live events... It's all public OOC, but ends up public IC too. I reckon there are just a lot of leaks. ))
There's a general problem with how much people know. Missions, cinematics, live events... It's all public OOC, but ends up public IC too. I reckon there are just a lot of leaks. ))
(( Yeah, spose. But that charistic of OOC knowledge should never comprimise the premise of the story, ya know? Besides, i always presumed hackable computers within your own orgs bases wern't meant to be public knowledge points, why else would they be locked out to their own operatives? ))
(( *Laughs.* That's a point. We should be getting in trouble over that. ))
It's always good to have a question and answer event, as long as theres not too many people..it just leads to chaos.
((I enjoyed reading this thread))
((I enjoyed reading this thread))
Vitamin wrote:
I loved the bit where it said "Ignoring NightTrace". Yet, it didn't say anything about ignoring the Cypherites at the Q&A session or the one talking about how hot it was to make-out with Veil.
PS: I bet you were REALLY dreading making this thread, Mr. Bit.
QFT.
What a great way to encourage good roleplay during Live Events. I guess we're supposed to be saying "lol agn pace ur hot will u mary me plz?" instead.
Procurator wrote:
(( *Laughs.* That's a point. We should be getting in trouble over that. ))(("The operator made me do it! He put a marker on my HUD and i thought I was supposed to hack it!" ))
What is wrong with saying lol? it means my l33t d00d laughed out loud right... 
Paying someone usually indicates they are in your employ and most employers are responsible for their employees actions. I hope the Machines are prepared to be responsible for the Cyperites actions.
This is a deplorable solution, Pace. You only stated you would pay for the information, yet put no limits on how the information was to be gathered. They use more then just hacking to get their information or have you forgotten. After only a few attempts at coming to a beneficial solution, for all involved, with Zion this is what you turn to and it is backed by Agent Gray. This may seem efficient now, but many of your future dealings with Zion will be tainted by this solution, thereby decreasing your much beloved efficiency in the future.
This solution will only lead to increasing tension and distrust of the Machines, the exact opposite of what should be occuring. One step forward, two steps back... I guess the cycle continues.
~Red
Nicely put, RedBindi. There appears to be no tactic too underhanded to test the limits of the Truce and to test Zion's capacity to work past these setbacks. We, of course, are up to the challenge for the sake of preserving humanity's freedom, but it sure would be swell if the Machines shared our willingness to cooperate without all the double talk and double standards.
ThePigeonKing wrote:
As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
What are you talking about? A small portion of Zion is supporting us. And you talk about both sub orgs like you know first hand while you are affiliated with neither.
The fact is that EPN is outside of the truce. All that means is that we accept responsibility for our own actions unattached from Zion. The Cyphs are breaking the truce for the Machines who are bound by the truce.
Two years of living the dream... and interpreting it! ~Variel
this was a fun QA session 
Vesuveus wrote:
ThePigeonKing wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
What are you talking about? A small portion of Zion is supporting us. And you talk about both sub orgs like you know first hand while you are affiliated with neither.
The fact is that EPN is outside of the truce. All that means is that we accept responsibility for our own actions unattached from Zion. The Cyphs are breaking the truce for the Machines who are bound by the truce.
Iovai wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:And just happen to be gettitng paid for every hijack, hack, and murder by the Machines.ThePigeonKing wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
What are you talking about? A small portion of Zion is supporting us. And you talk about both sub orgs like you know first hand while you are affiliated with neither.
The fact is that EPN is outside of the truce. All that means is that we accept responsibility for our own actions unattached from Zion. The Cyphs are breaking the truce for the Machines who are bound by the truce.
Iovai wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:ThePigeonKing wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
What are you talking about? A small portion of Zion is supporting us. And you talk about both sub orgs like you know first hand while you are affiliated with neither.
The fact is that EPN is outside of the truce. All that means is that we accept responsibility for our own actions unattached from Zion. The Cyphs are breaking the truce for the Machines who are bound by the truce.
Your goals have always been similar, nay, the same. They were guiding you with Cryptos leading the front in days past, and they're guiding you with "friendly agreements" in days present.
Soon enough they'll have you conditioned to the point where you won't even need something to guide you in the "right direction", you'll just do as instructed. But make no mistake, they are still calling the shots, and you are still doing their bidding. Whether you care to know it, or you care to ignore it, it is a simple and blatant truth.
Neoteny wrote:
Perhaps I should ask again why you would want to work for them?
I don't think the opinion of outsiders will do any good if they won't even listen to their own operatives...The sooner we speak, the better, Machines. It isn't speaking much to your character, or your willingness to maintain peace, for that matter, that you would continue to sponsor those who are killing our operatives, sabotaging our equipment, spying on us, and lying to the inhabitants of your own System, even after your so-called "control factor" has been removed.
God help me, if something doesn't happen soon... Maybe I'll see it plainly why Morpheus did what he did.
Perhaps I should ask again why you would want to work for them?
Iovai wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:ThePigeonKing wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.As for you, Neoteny... Well, a large portion of Zionites are still supporting EPN. That's a bit strange. While both Cypherites and EPN are misguided groups on the fringe of fanaticism, the Cypherites are at least concerned with the well-being of the System which must be maintained at all costs. E Pluribus Neo disregards the importance of the System and its rules time and time again, chasing its own tail.
What are you talking about? A small portion of Zion is supporting us. And you talk about both sub orgs like you know first hand while you are affiliated with neither.
The fact is that EPN is outside of the truce. All that means is that we accept responsibility for our own actions unattached from Zion. The Cyphs are breaking the truce for the Machines who are bound by the truce.
BS
For reasons Gami cited.
Two years of living the dream... and interpreting it! ~Variel
GamiSB wrote:
Oh yeah? And where did you get that from? The Cypherites have only been paid this time. If they murder and commit other atrocities during the execution of the operation they've just been paid for, then we have a problem. At that point, the Machines will either realise the error of their ways, or I will have lost hope.
Iovai wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.And just happen to be gettitng paid for every hijack, hack, and murder by the Machines.
Oh yeah? And where did you get that from? The Cypherites have only been paid this time. If they murder and commit other atrocities during the execution of the operation they've just been paid for, then we have a problem. At that point, the Machines will either realise the error of their ways, or I will have lost hope.
Procurator wrote:
GamiSB wrote:Iovai wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.And just happen to be gettitng paid for every hijack, hack, and murder by the Machines.
Oh yeah? And where did you get that from? The Cypherites have only been paid this time. If they murder and commit other atrocities during the execution of the operation they've just been paid for, then we have a problem. At that point, the Machines will either realise the error of their ways, or I will have lost hope.
Now, now everyone let's keep calm, just to clarify i will quote what Pace said to Veil while sealing the deal from Mech Crit 7.2.5
Agent Pace: Excellent! Then we have a deal: you'll bolster your surveillance efforts in Zion, and we'll provide payment to the arranged account in exchange, at the established rate. I am glad that our meeting was so fruitful; you see, Veil, that we can be quite generous to those open to reason. We look forward to continued work with our old associates on the basis of this new...understanding.
Now tell me If I am wrong but to me Proc, that looks like that the Machines will keep paying the Cypherites gathering intelligence, notice however that they don't seem to mention about how they go about gathering this intel so long as they gather it, so I would say that, Proc, that you do have a problem.
We don't know what the terms were. People stumbled into the very end of Pace's discussion with Veil, and could only catch the last sentence of it.
I know it doesn't look good - you think I'm happy that the Machines are using the Cypherites at all? It doesn't seem to have sunken in that they can't be trusted, and that Veil is a maniac. Even after she attacked Pace they want to give her the benefit of the doubt. They'll learn. Eventually...
I know it doesn't look good - you think I'm happy that the Machines are using the Cypherites at all? It doesn't seem to have sunken in that they can't be trusted, and that Veil is a maniac. Even after she attacked Pace they want to give her the benefit of the doubt. They'll learn. Eventually...
True we may not have been able to hear the terms. However we did hear Pace's report to Gray and then a small debrief. It's safe to say after considering the characteristics of an Agent and the topic that since both didn't report them to one other and then to us that there are none.
I do not trust Veil at all.
Illyria
Illyria22 wrote:
And?I do not trust Veil at all.
Illyria
'And' nothing. She's vindictive and violent, willing to kill in the real. She wants Zion destroyed. And if it turns out that redpills really can't be reinserted, she will probably lose what little sanity she has.
Things were much safer when Cryptos was leading the Cypherites.
Illyria
Illyria22 wrote:
Things were much safer when there were no Cypherites.
'And' nothing. She's vindictive and violent, willing to kill in the real. She wants Zion destroyed. And if it turns out that redpills really can't be reinserted, she will probably lose what little sanity she has.
Things were much safer when Cryptos was leading the Cypherites.
Illyria
Things were much safer when there were no Cypherites.
Im still a proponent of the max execution of both splinter groups.
Awww.
Haigen wrote:
Awww.
Hey, we can be quite forgiving of a cute lil' thing like you. Just kick the mask, join the Machines properly, and fight to uphold the Truce... then there'll be no need for you to be executed.
::slides Haigen an application::
xenin wrote:
Procurator wrote:GamiSB wrote:Iovai wrote:The Cypherites do not break the truce *for* the Machines. We just have similar goals sometimes.And just happen to be gettitng paid for every hijack, hack, and murder by the Machines.
Oh yeah? And where did you get that from? The Cypherites have only been paid this time. If they murder and commit other atrocities during the execution of the operation they've just been paid for, then we have a problem. At that point, the Machines will either realise the error of their ways, or I will have lost hope.
Now, now everyone let's keep calm, just to clarify i will quote what Pace said to Veil while sealing the deal from Mech Crit 7.2.5Agent Pace: Excellent! Then we have a deal: you'll bolster your surveillance efforts in Zion, and we'll provide payment to the arranged account in exchange, at the established rate. I am glad that our meeting was so fruitful; you see, Veil, that we can be quite generous to those open to reason. We look forward to continued work with our old associates on the basis of this new...understanding.
Now tell me If I am wrong but to me Proc, that looks like that the Machines will keep paying the Cypherites gathering intelligence, notice however that they don't seem to mention about how they go about gathering this intel so long as they gather it, so I would say that, Proc, that you do have a problem.
At the risk of adding further fuel to the fire:
Agent Pace uses the term, " the established rate".
Procurator is ascertaining that this matter is a "one-off" and I know that xenin has already highlighted the inference that the arrangement could continue. But could Pace's words not also suggest that this is not a wholly new situation?
As mentioned, the whole conversation is not heard and so we can only specualte on what was discussed earlier. But, if this is the first occasion that such cooperation has been sought and obtained, where would be establishment to which Pace refers?
Why not use, "the agreed rate" or "proposed rate"?
May be I am getting tied up on semantics.... I sorely hope so. I do not envy Proc's position in attempting to defend the motives of the Machines.
::EDIT:: Spelling mistakes.
