The Time has come to make a choice...

This is a log of a very interesting conversation between The EPN Liaison Khepril, some operatives and SkyBruin of Morpheus' Legacy...

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Khepril: In case you're wondering, Skybruin is here as that faction have wished to assist us in the finding of Morpheus, which is what this meeting has been specifically called for
Rashahd: ty sky
SkyBruin: glad to help in this matter
SkyBruin: as we too wish to bring morpheus home
MAR5: We can use allies,agreed.
SkyBruin: And if neo is also alive we would wish to help him as well.
FreequencyJR: I would hope all of Zion would!
SkyBruin: I would too.
FreequencyJR: EPN or not, our goal is all the same
Khepril: Indeed, we owe him our lives afterall
Nehoe: perhapse you should become epn then since your goals apear to be most similar
Nehoe: surley zion command wont be pleased with this
MAR5: As an aside ,i have oftern wondered about that as well.
SkyBruin: we were once asked by morpheus himself to stay with zion.
SkyBruin: this was before his disappearance.
Nehoe: yes but im asking what command think of you openly aid as they put it "terrorists"
SkyBruin: but we are not afraid to go against zion if the cause is right
SkyBruin: as morpheus himself did at times
Khepril: Lock does hate that
SkyBruin: yes he does
FreequencyJR: Aside our obvious diffrences... we are not here to debate EPN/Locke and brining unity unmong Zion.. this should be the least of our concerns as of now.
SkyBruin: khepril may a few of my brothers join us?
MAR5: I understand your motivations Sky.
MAR5: But we cannot save you from a court martial, as long as you know the risks involved i suppose, it's your choice.
Khepril: Who wishes to join Sky?
SkyBruin: if you do not wish it i can understand
SkyBruin: Mercio
MAR5: EPN needs allies so we appreciate your help.
SkyBruin: as i said in this matter we will gladly assist
MAR5: It's good to work with you again.
SkyBruin: Thank you khepril.
Khepril: Ah excellent
Khepril: I'm sure as i go through this you'll have a fair number of questions but let me get through all i have to say and then you can ask all that you want at the end.
Khepril: Now, as we all know, the recent apearances of morpheus in the matrix have raised so many questions. Is it him? I'd like to to think so.
Khepril: If it is Morpheus, the things he's telling us about Neo being alive are of vital importance to us, Our whole perpose revolves about following Neo's Legacy.
Khepril: If he's alive and being held by the machines we will need to act accordingly to ensure he's returned to us.
thekeymaster: thanks
Khepril: We've been fighting against the Cypherites for quite a while now and i doubt with their ideals that's going to stop anytime soon. Naturall, I've got no trouble fighting them again to get this data
Khepril: As such, <Classified> will be coming in on <Classified> at <Classified> Megacity time to personally oversee an atack on a main Cypherite base
Khepril: And so, to business. Information has been intercepted that the Cypherites have some data regarding the sightings.

Khepril: <Classified>'s keen to find out what this is and I'm sure you are all equally keen.

MAR5: MAR5 is stunned by the bold move.

Khepril: Now, because the Machines are more than eager to remove us from the system, the exact location of this meeting will be kept secret until the day of the operation.

Khepril: We'll be striking right into a main Cypherite base, the last thing we want is trouble from Machines too

Khepril: You'll need to contact myself and my fellow Officers no earlier than one hour before the meeting and we'll inform you of the venue.

Khepril: There is only one question I need to ask you. All reports indicate that the Cypherite base in question has heavy security.

MAR5: A formidable battle indeed.

Khepril: My question is this, how many operatives will be able to jack in for that time?

Sputnik1220: I will be available.

thekeymaster: what is mega city time

SkyBruin: ((pacific standard time))

Bloodstream: GMT-8

thekeymaster: the time is three

MAR5: As will I.

KevinXSer: GMT - 7. It's one hour less.

thekeymaster: is this mega city time

thekeymaster: one hour less ok

Bloodstream: I should be available

Rashahd: I will be right there

Nehoe: to be clear is currentl 14:19 mct yes?

Reani: i will be there

Sputnik1220: yes.

KevinXSer: <Classified>

urotsukidoji: domo

SkyBruin: I will try to be present and will inform our leadership to mobilize our people without specifics.

Trinite: ..............

655321: I will get as many of my team as I can

MasterDragon488: I will be there for the operation!

SkyBruin: I can't gauratee how many we will have but we contribute all we can.

Khepril: There is an uplink inside this base where I will be able to hack into their mainframe and search for this data

Bloodstream: I take it then the primary task for this mission is to protect you.

MAR5: They'll have their eyes on <Classified>, I'm afraid.

Khepril: We're still trying to learn more about the location but we'll have to have the area cleared so I can indeed try to gain access to that uplink

SkyBruin: but that can work to advantage

SkyBruin: if <Classified> provides distraction the rest can find what is neeed

SkyBruin: *needed

Bloodstream: Yes, however <Classified> is strong, <Classified> can handle <Classified>, to be frank Khepril isn't going to last long in a firefight

Khepril: The reason we're not releasing the location of the meet with <Classified> is so to ensure <Classified> safety while jacked in

urotsukidoji: agreed

Mercio nods at Khepril.

Khepril: And I do agree with you Bloodstream, the hacking I can handle but I'll need your help to ensure my safety in the base
655321 agrees with Khepril.

SkyBruin: yes security never hurts

Bloodstream: Infact, maybe it would be safer for one of us to use the recall system to bring you in once the majority of the enemy is down.

Khepril: Hopefully we'll have a more... complete idea of the security we'll be up against and even if we do take over the base, I doubt we'll have long before the Cypherite reinforcements appear

MasterDragon488: That's not a bad idea Bloodstream.

SkyBruin: yeah it's apopular tactic we use

655321: I think if everyone keeps their mouths shut, we should have enough time to get you in and out before they know what hit them

Khepril: I do hope that is the case

urotsukidoji: hope for the best prepare for the worst

Khepril: Quite. As it's a main base I'd assume that they would have significant security but I think if we move into there strongly and quickly we'll overpower them

Khepril: Well, I've said all I have to on this for now. Remember, <Classified> at <Classified> Megacity time. Now, anything you wish to ask me?

Bloodstream: In the event of overwhelming opposition, do we have a backup plan?

MAR5: If we have the forces, I believe we can do this successfully and without losses.

MAR5: Well, little loss.

MAR5: But something could always go wrong.

MasterDragon488: I agree, any little thing.

SkyBruin: As was said plan for the worst hope for the best

Khepril: Sadly no backup. The information we're receiving from our informant is that the data is only obtainable from that mainframe. All trace of it has been removed from the Matrix and only their commanders have access to it

SkyBruin: I will try to descreetly have our poeple mobilized

Khepril: Put bluntly, this is the only way to get that data

SkyBruin: I agree them being cypherittes

Khepril: There is one more thing I can see while we're here

655321: If the plan is somehow compromised, is there an abort procedure we should be aware of?

Khepril: <Classified>'s curious as to your combat skills before this attack. As such, I said I'd run the simulacra once here to have a quick look see.  In terms of an abort procedure, you'll have to rely on us Liaisons who will be co-ordinating with <Classified> that night

Khepril: If it gets too tough, we call no joy and we walk away and fall back to <Classified> secure location

Sputnik1220: Mnemasyne and Zenonophone will be present?

Khepril: They shall indeed

Khepril: We're hoping a full presense of Officers may... spread the fire if needs be

Sputnik1220: It's good to hear they can make it.

Khepril: Yes, Mnemasyne has been cursing her connection jack recently. It turns out that a bash of her head onboard ship damaged it slightly but she should be alright by then

SkyBruin: maybe Mercio can help with that he used to have problems with his

Sputnik1220: Oh! I hope she's all right, and that her connection is repaired soon.

Sputnik1220: At least it's not a rodent....

thekeymaster: k folks its been fun

thekeymaster: see you all little later

Khepril: She will be, even though she refuses the massages.... anyway, we have a simulacra to destroy

SkyBruin: ok let's get to it.

Bloodstream: Thankyou

SkyBruin: well we'll give them a good show.

Khepril: Alright, time to pile out folks. Thankyou all for attending this afternoon, I'll see you on Wednesday

Bloodstream: Goodbye Khepril

SkyBruin: yes. thanks khepril

urotsukidoji: sayonra

Sputnik1220: Good bye, Khepril. Take care.

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Whilst we all know Morpheus' Legacy is prone to helping EPN in truce breaking situations, remember back to Chelsea's Code Pulses, i think the time should come where they make a choice here. Obviously Morpheus' return is not on the priorities of the Zion council, remember they wanted him locked up. With that said, why should Mopheus' Legacy still be involved with Zion when they continue to aide what the council see's as terrorists. As SkyBruin said "but we are not afraid to go against zion if the cause is right" but if the cause is not in Zions best intrests, rather EPN's then perhaps they should be cast out of Zion or move willingly?

I have a lot of respect for all members of Morpheus' Legacy, however it is time for the cards to be layed down. Why does Zion's Liaisons/Factions/Council put up with a faction that will undoubtedly cause so much Zion-Machine tension by helping EPN in breaking the truce for a cause they find worthy, but Zion's council itself does not.

Agreed, choose your affiliation, ML.  For too long you've vehemently defended the terrorists, and instead, attempted to implicate those who fight on your behalf.  Do you fight for Zion, or do you blindly follow Morpheus into the foggy mire of his questionable ethics and pursuits?

The simple truth is, you can't be both.  If your affiliation is Zion, then you would justifiably admonish the actions of EPN for the reckless folly that those actions are, not defend them.  If your plans lie with EPN, then you owe it to the people of Zion to declare this and break ranks. 

No longer should you deal with EPN by cover of your 'ardent Zionists' label.  Where do you stand? 

yeah... I don't know what you all are talking about ML are cypherites

(More serious answer to come soon)

2. Some People in EPN doesn't like us being in on their meetings...and do not feel they get the same co-operation from Zion as their Liaisons give Zion, presumably because of the numerical boost Zion gives them ((There's flaws both OOC and IC))

In regards to the timing of this post, well it couldn't have tied in better. I uploaded this BEFORE tonights event, it ties in rather well though. I would like some kind of proof of Machines aiding Cypherites in any kind of Illegal activites; There's plenty of yourselves (and FA, amongst smaller Zion factions) aiding EPN factions in setting off and preserving code bombs.

Now whilst I'm sure you'd like FA to share some of the flack too, there's no direct proof of them trying to involve themselves in EPN's operations directly, only through word of mouth and sheer want of involvement.

By all means i do understand your commitments to Morpheus, but i can't help but wonder, why go so far for a deadman? Until sufficient proof surfaces that he is alive then there is no reason to believe he is. 

A far more realistic outlook would be to see that EPN are hell bent on causing disruption and as much trouble to the system the ones using Code Pulses, which are Illegal, and these Morpheus sightings happen in conjunction with the Code Pulses getting set off. It's no coinsidence, oh no, It's rather deliberate I'm sure. It seems too good to be true. It seems rather obvious, like i previously mentioned, that EPN would try to do their utmost to get Zions support for numerical reasons and to strain the truce. Manipulating the Morpheus situation, which is in many of Zions hearts, is the easiest way. That being said, the ones I've spoken with don't agree with Zion being given free reign at their Operations whilst EPN are kept out of Zion operations and kept in the dark/excluded.

Another point, Machines will gladly draw the line with Cypherites, however at no point was Cryptos remotely hostile towards Zion and until Veil reveals her true goals now then we have no reason not to improve relations with them. The Cypherites we fight alongside at Mara have done nothing to remove our trust in them, Veils strike against Zion was not under Cryptos' command and now that Veil is in charge of the Cypherites I think it's in Zions best interests that the Machines keep Veil under control too, to prevent the extreme methods she has been renound for from surfacing again.

"By all means i do understand your commitments to Morpheus, but i can't help but wonder, why go so far for a deadman? Until sufficient proof surfaces that he is alive then there is no reason to believe he is. "



if you understand our commitment to Morpheus,as you say,you dont have to wonder!!outlaw answered your question perfectly:
"Morpheus is our business...we work for him, we follow his teachings, anything that is involved...."
And who says hes  dead.Everyone knows that he is alive

Outlaw wrote:

2. Some People in EPN doesn't like us being in on their meetings...and do not feel they get the same co-operation from Zion as their Liaisons give Zion, presumably because of the numerical boost Zion gives them ((There's flaws both OOC and IC))

In regards to the timing of this post, well it couldn't have tied in better. I uploaded this BEFORE tonights event, it ties in rather well though. I would like some kind of proof of Machines aiding Cypherites in any kind of Illegal activites;

Try forming the *CENSORED* thing. Gray openly admits it too.

There's plenty of yourselves (and FA, amongst smaller Zion factions) aiding EPN factions in setting off and preserving code bombs.

Code bombs? I haven't seen heard of any code bombs in ages.

Now whilst I'm sure you'd like FA to share some of the flack too, there's no direct proof of them trying to involve themselves in EPN's operations directly, only through word of mouth and sheer want of involvement.

Doesn't that contradict what you just said... Whatever. There's plenty of people that would support EPN just because you guys support CYPHs. Perhaps you should think on that.

By all means i do understand your commitments to Morpheus, but I can't help but wonder, why go so far for a deadman? Until sufficient proof surfaces that he is alive then there is no reason to believe he is.

No, I don't think you do understand. It's just a matter of finding him.

A far more realistic outlook would be to see that EPN are hell bent on causing disruption and as much trouble to the system the ones using Code Pulses, which are Illegal, and these Morpheus sightings happen in conjunction with the Code Pulses getting set off. It's no coinsidence, oh no, It's rather deliberate I'm sure. It seems too good to be true. It seems rather obvious, like i previously mentioned, that EPN would try to do their utmost to get Zions support for numerical reasons and to strain the truce. Manipulating the Morpheus situation, which is in many of Zions hearts, is the easiest way. That being said, the ones I've spoken with don't agree with Zion being given free reign at their Operations whilst EPN are kept out of Zion operations and kept in the dark/excluded.

Realistic in what way? There were signals showing up before the cpd was developed. That and the fact that likely nothing will actually happen until he returns to Zion. If any/all of the transmissions are faked it would also make said group look pretty bad. Almost as bad as you guys.

Another point, Machines will gladly draw the line with Cypherites, however at no point was Cryptos remotely hostile towards Zion

Hmm.   Are you sure about that?

and until Veil reveals her true goals now then we have no reason not to improve relations with them. The Cypherites we fight alongside at Mara have done nothing to remove our trust in them, Veils strike against Zion was not under Cryptos' command and now that Veil is in charge of the Cypherites I think it's in Zions best interests that the Machines keep Veil under control too, to prevent the extreme methods she has been renound for from surfacing again.

Where do i Start...


Yasamuu1 wrote:

Outlaw wrote:

2. Some People in EPN doesn't like us being in on their meetings...and do not feel they get the same co-operation from Zion as their Liaisons give Zion, presumably because of the numerical boost Zion gives them ((There's flaws both OOC and IC))

In regards to the timing of this post, well it couldn't have tied in better. I uploaded this BEFORE tonights event, it ties in rather well though. I would like some kind of proof of Machines aiding Cypherites in any kind of Illegal activites;

Try forming the *CENSORED* thing. Gray openly admits it too.

There's plenty of yourselves (and FA, amongst smaller Zion factions) aiding EPN factions in setting off and preserving code bombs.

Code bombs? I haven't seen heard of any code bombs in ages.

((Yeah typo, lame :p))

Now whilst I'm sure you'd like FA to share some of the flack too, there's no direct proof of them trying to involve themselves in EPN's operations directly, only through word of mouth and sheer want of involvement.

Doesn't that contradict what you just said... Whatever. There's plenty of people that would support EPN just because you guys support CYPHs. Perhaps you should think on that.

By that logic, two wrongs would make a right? By all means, if Machine operatives were supporting Cypherites in the field or during operations, then they were during operations where by no means was the truce broken.

A far more realistic outlook would be to see that EPN are hell bent on causing disruption and as much trouble to the system the ones using Code Pulses, which are Illegal, and these Morpheus sightings happen in conjunction with the Code Pulses getting set off. It's no coinsidence, oh no, It's rather deliberate I'm sure. It seems too good to be true. It seems rather obvious, like i previously mentioned, that EPN would try to do their utmost to get Zions support for numerical reasons and to strain the truce. Manipulating the Morpheus situation, which is in many of Zions hearts, is the easiest way. That being said, the ones I've spoken with don't agree with Zion being given free reign at their Operations whilst EPN are kept out of Zion operations and kept in the dark/excluded.

Realistic in what way? There were signals showing up before the cpd was developed. That and the fact that likely nothing will actually happen until he returns to Zion. If any/all of the transmissions are faked it would also make said group look pretty bad. Almost as bad as you guys.

Sorry, but if that happend, you and the rest of the Zionites that continue to involve yourself in EPN's operations would look fools all the same, perhaps bigger fools for endorcing the breaking of the truce.

Another point, Machines will gladly draw the line with Cypherites, however at no point was Cryptos remotely hostile towards Zion

Hmm.   Are you sure about that?

Perhaps i should have used a context IE - Veil was the one detonating EMP's and capturing ships. Not Cryptos.

and until Veil reveals her true goals now then we have no reason not to improve relations with them. The Cypherites we fight alongside at Mara have done nothing to remove our trust in them, Veils strike against Zion was not under Cryptos' command and now that Veil is in charge of the Cypherites I think it's in Zions best interests that the Machines keep Veil under control too, to prevent the extreme methods she has been renound for from surfacing again.

So again i ask, where do you align yourself?

Yasamuu1 wrote:

So again i ask, where do you align yourself?

Like the others said. I follow Morpheus..
We made that choice a long time ago.

Even if that path sways from Zion? Zions council has made it clear they do not want anything to do with these Morpheus rumours and that they are that, just rumours.

The level of involvement that Morpheus' Legacy takes in EPN affairs has been an issue for quite some time. They've done very well working alongside Zion and the Machines. Now they throw it all away on trying to defend the reputations of known hostiles - terrorists. If Cryptos was so fake, then how blind is The Kid? We may have been told all along, but how long have you been told that your leader's charade is all a cry for vanity.

Michael steals glory from his Savior. This is no reverance. It's bloodshed. And this is what you want, Mr. Hill?

The level of involvement that Morpheus' Legacy takes in EPN affairs has been an issue for quite some time. They've done very well working alongside Zion and the Machines. Now they throw it all away on trying to defend the reputations of known hostiles - terrorists. If Cryptos was so fake, then how blind is The Kid? We may have been told all along, but how long have you been told that your leader's charade is all a cry for vanity.

Michael steals glory from his Savior. This is no reverance. It's bloodshed. And this is what you want, Mr. Hill?

No what I want is to find out what has happened to Morpheus. 

As I said in that meeting we would help in that matter, but that does not mean that we will help them in the future if it is not what we feel is right.

If the zion leadership has a problem with our actions, they can reprimand us as they see fit. 

We do not defend EPN's reputation they can stand on their own for good or for ill.

Skill wrote:

Yasamuu1 wrote:

So again i ask, where do you align yourself?

Like the others said. I follow Morpheus..
We made that choice a long time ago.

Even if that path sways from Zion? Zions council has made it clear they do not want anything to do with these Morpheus rumours and that they are that, just rumours.

Continuing to entertain the thought of Morpheus' survival until there is definite proof beyond a few choice words--which I did receive, by the way--before his death, and a few sporadic, inconclusive messages in recent months, is simply asanine. Zion has better things to do with its time and Operatives than chasing after Morpheus. Although he is becoming increasingly prominent, we have a larger threat to deal with.

Make your choice, or shift your priorities.

Like I said; I'm all but willing to believe he's alive, if conclusive evidence is placed before me. I can, myself, go out and find that conclusive evidence. If it means aiding EPN in some low-level anti-Cypherite work, then so be it. But we're talking about just that--low level work. What we did the other night was not an affront against the system, but the Cypherites, who appear to be out of everybody's favour at the minute. If searching for a fallen comrade like that makes me a terrorist, too, then this whole situation is out of both proportion and context.

But, as we've seen, the evidence we were looking for was not only inconclusive, but non-existant. I will search for reason to beleive in his return. But I re-iterate; broken relay messages and blank computer screens are not enough.

Zerotolerance wrote:

The level of involvement that Morpheus' Legacy takes in EPN affairs has been an issue for quite some time. They've done very well working alongside Zion and the Machines. Now they throw it all away on trying to defend the reputations of known hostiles - terrorists. If Cryptos was so fake, then how blind is The Kid? We may have been told all along, but how long have you been told that your leader's charade is all a cry for vanity.

Michael steals glory from his Savior. This is no reverance. It's bloodshed. And this is what you want, Mr. Hill?

No what I want is to find out what has happened to Morpheus. 

As I said in that meeting we would help in that matter, but that does not mean that we will help them in the future if it is not what we feel is right.

If the zion leadership has a problem with our actions, they can reprimand us as they see fit. 

We do not defend EPN's reputation they can stand on their own for good or for ill.

Outlaw wrote:

2. Some People in EPN doesn't like us being in on their meetings...and do not feel they get the same co-operation from Zion as their Liaisons give Zion, presumably because of the numerical boost Zion gives them ((There's flaws both OOC and IC))

In regards to the timing of this post, well it couldn't have tied in better. I uploaded this BEFORE tonights event, it ties in rather well though. I would like some kind of proof of Machines aiding Cypherites in any kind of Illegal activites; There's plenty of yourselves (and FA, amongst smaller Zion factions) aiding EPN factions in setting off and preserving code bombs.

Now whilst I'm sure you'd like FA to share some of the flack too, there's no direct proof of them trying to involve themselves in EPN's operations directly, only through word of mouth and sheer want of involvement.

By all means i do understand your commitments to Morpheus, but i can't help but wonder, why go so far for a deadman? Until sufficient proof surfaces that he is alive then there is no reason to believe he is. 

A far more realistic outlook would be to see that EPN are hell bent on causing disruption and as much trouble to the system the ones using Code Pulses, which are Illegal, and these Morpheus sightings happen in conjunction with the Code Pulses getting set off. It's no coinsidence, oh no, It's rather deliberate I'm sure. It seems too good to be true. It seems rather obvious, like i previously mentioned, that EPN would try to do their utmost to get Zions support for numerical reasons and to strain the truce. Manipulating the Morpheus situation, which is in many of Zions hearts, is the easiest way. That being said, the ones I've spoken with don't agree with Zion being given free reign at their Operations whilst EPN are kept out of Zion operations and kept in the dark/excluded.

Another point, Machines will gladly draw the line with Cypherites, however at no point was Cryptos remotely hostile towards Zion and until Veil reveals her true goals now then we have no reason not to improve relations with them. The Cypherites we fight alongside at Mara have done nothing to remove our trust in them, Veils strike against Zion was not under Cryptos' command and now that Veil is in charge of the Cypherites I think it's in Zions best interests that the Machines keep Veil under control too, to prevent the extreme methods she has been renound for from surfacing again.

   I think it is time I make some things clear for all, as I completely understand how our loyalties can be be misunderstood at times by outsiders. They are very clear to our members; we don't think twice about where we stand within our own faction.

1. Our relationship with EPN: It is absolutely true that we do often sympathize with the EPN organization; as many of our core beliefs are somewhat parallel to theirs. In that feeling of comraderie, we have assisted them in some of their operations and will continue to do so if we believe it is the right thing to do. But, while EPN wishes to tear apart the Matrix by brute force, we simply want all humans to have a choice; not just the limited numbers as the truce dictates. Also, the EPN leadership can be at times... not efficient in achieving their goals, and are not as seasoned as Niobe and Ghost are, whom we follow without question when asked and required. They have earned our respect. We have never even considered switching to EPN affiliation because of this.

2. Zion Command: We have never been reprimanded by Zion Command for assisting with some of EPN's operations, and we have often done so in concert with other Zion factions. Another aspect of Zion Command that no one seems to mention: Niobe and Ghost - don't believe for a second they would not drop everything to assist Morpheus in any way possible at great cost. Personal loyalties were what kept them alive during the long war, never forget that. The Zion Council whom our Commander Lock reports to has always and consistently supported Morpheus as well. He is a hero to our people, in life and in death! Not just to us in Morpheus' Legacy.

3. The Cypherites: They are anathema to us. We will always seek to hunt them down and destroy them whenever possible. And I'll promise this to any Machine Operative - truce be damned - if you assist them through your 'improved relations', I'll oppose you at every moment this is observed. Veil killing a crew, then popping an EMP on our Zion dock and now you want to get cozy with her??? I don't think so, not on my watch.

4. Morpheus: Our constant, long-term goal, our 'raison d'être' so to speak, is to get him back by whatever means possible. Enough said.

5. The Truce: ML truly does not want an all-out war with the Machines. We do respect the truce. We only oppose Machines who put us or Zion at risk in some way, in any circumstance. We are provoked or attacked more often than not in these instances.

   I hope this helps.

Madbent, Commander - ML

1. Our relationship with EPN:  as many of our core beliefs are somewhat parallel to theirs.

3. The Cypherites:  truce be damned

5. The Truce: We do respect the truce.

I hope this helps.

Madbent, Commander - ML

Once again, attack is the best form of defence whilst the initial question goes unanswered.  Yes, on occasion the machines have had to work alongside the Cypherite's towards a beneficial outcome.  Pointing fingers at us for these actions, as justification for ML's continual ties with EPN is merely a diversionary tactic.  Our means, although unsavoury at times, ultimately justify the intended end. 

We are not responsible for, answerable to, or working directly alongside Veil.  Her actions are based on her own justifications and beliefs, and do not directly correlate with those of the machines.  Gray's reticence when merely holding a conversation with Veil reflects our hesitancy and caution towards her, we are not united by beliefs or treaty.  There is none of the 'getting cozy' which you described.  Morpheus' Legacy however, continually champion the cause of EPN, and vehemently defend them when challenged on their illegal activities.  

Your affiliation clearly goes beyond merely 'helping out' where required, and something you wish to conceal.  Zion should be distancing themselves from EPN, as the group is not a true reflection on the beliefs of a true Zionist.  Instead, machinists who work towards preserving all forms of life are slain to protect the terrorist organization.  As you say, Madbent, they do attempt to use brute force to complete their objectives.  You also, quite rightly point out that this is not the most efficient manner in which to conduct various activities.  With that in mind what are we, and Zion to think when particular ML members leap to the defence of EPN, both with fist and tongue?

You cannot aim your weapons toward the same targets as EPN whilst simultaneously denying the ultimate alliance you share.  

Double post, apologies.

Madbent wrote:

1. Our relationship with EPN:  as many of our core beliefs are somewhat parallel to theirs.

3. The Cypherites:  truce be damned

5. The Truce: We do respect the truce.

I hope this helps.

Madbent, Commander - ML

Once again, attack is the best form of defence whilst the initial question goes unanswered.  Yes, on occasion the machines have had to work alongside the Cypherite's towards a beneficial outcome.  Pointing fingers at us for these actions, as justification for ML's continual ties with EPN is merely a diversionary tactic.  Our means, although unsavoury at times, ultimately justify the intended end. 

We are not responsible for, answerable to, or working directly alongside Veil.  Her actions are based on her own justifications and beliefs, and do not directly correlate with those of the machines.  Gray's reticence when merely holding a conversation with Veil reflects our hesitancy and caution towards her, we are not united by beliefs or treaty.  There is none of the 'getting cozy' which you described.  Morpheus' Legacy however, continually champion the cause of EPN, and vehemently defend them when challenged on their illegal activities.  

Your affiliation clearly goes beyond merely 'helping out' where required, and something you wish to conceal.  Zion should be distancing themselves from EPN, as the group is not a true reflection on the beliefs of a true Zionist.  Instead, machinists who work towards preserving all forms of life are slain to protect the terrorist organization.  As you say, Madbent, they do attempt to use brute force to complete their objectives.  You also, quite rightly point out that this is not the most efficient manner in which to conduct various activities.  With that in mind what are we, and Zion to think when particular ML members leap to the defence of EPN, both with fist and tongue?

You cannot aim your weapons toward the same targets as EPN whilst simultaneously denying the ultimate alliance you share.  

I'd appreciate a minimal level of respect in that you do not continue to quote my comments as above out of context.

And beyond this pointless debate, one thing is clear: Zion Command has never insisted that we cease our occasional assistance to EPN. If they did so, we would of course comply.

Another thing - our view of 'cozy' may be different from yours. Any association with the Cypherites - by any operative - from any organization - for any reason - is viewed as a threat that must be stopped.

noctivagus wrote:

Madbent wrote:

1. Our relationship with EPN:  as many of our core beliefs are somewhat parallel to theirs.

3. The Cypherites:  truce be damned

5. The Truce: We do respect the truce.

I hope this helps.

Madbent, Commander - ML

Once again, attack is the best form of defence whilst the initial question goes unanswered.  Yes, on occasion the machines have had to work alongside the Cypherite's towards a beneficial outcome.  Pointing fingers at us for these actions, as justification for ML's continual ties with EPN is merely a diversionary tactic.  Our means, although unsavoury at times, ultimately justify the intended end. 

We are not responsible for, answerable to, or working directly alongside Veil.  Her actions are based on her own justifications and beliefs, and do not directly correlate with those of the machines.  Gray's reticence when merely holding a conversation with Veil reflects our hesitancy and caution towards her, we are not united by beliefs or treaty.  There is none of the 'getting cozy' which you described.  Morpheus' Legacy however, continually champion the cause of EPN, and vehemently defend them when challenged on their illegal activities.  

Your affiliation clearly goes beyond merely 'helping out' where required, and something you wish to conceal.  Zion should be distancing themselves from EPN, as the group is not a true reflection on the beliefs of a true Zionist.  Instead, machinists who work towards preserving all forms of life are slain to protect the terrorist organization.  As you say, Madbent, they do attempt to use brute force to complete their objectives.  You also, quite rightly point out that this is not the most efficient manner in which to conduct various activities.  With that in mind what are we, and Zion to think when particular ML members leap to the defence of EPN, both with fist and tongue?

You cannot aim your weapons toward the same targets as EPN whilst simultaneously denying the ultimate alliance you share.  

I'd appreciate a minimal level of respect in that you do not continue to quote my comments as above out of context.

And beyond this pointless debate, one thing is clear: Zion Command has never insisted that we cease our occasional assistance to EPN. If they did so, we would of course comply.

Another thing - our view of 'cozy' may be different from yours. Any association with the Cypherites - by any operative - from any organization - for any reason - is viewed as a threat that must be stopped.

You view our concerns over one of our 'flagship' Zionist factions as 'pointless'?  I'm sorry you see it that way, but we are merely attempting to ascertain Morpheus' Legacy's status in the face of continual evidence of EPN-ties.  They are genuine, justified concerns.  Whether or not they are 'pointless' remains to be seen. 

I accept that your view of 'cozy' may differ from mine, but I can assure you that the machines will never be aligned with Veil, to a degree which warrants the use of the traditional meaning of the word.

I haven't taken your words out of context, just highlighted the ones which concerned me the most.  The fact that you are the one who said them, negates the dislike you have of the manner in which I presented them.  You said 'truce be damned' when faced with potential altercations in one section, then claimed that you do in fact respect the truce, in another.  The discrepancies were already present, I'm just the one who pointed them out.  I await the time where Zion Command are aware of these 'temporary' EPN unities, and enforce the sequestering of their activities.  Zion should not be involved, EPN do not have our best interests at heart.

((I'm told these are OOC brackets - Who knew?  Anyway this doesn't come down to disrespect or anything as harsh as that.  This is a IC discussion regarding the concern over the consequences of certain actions.  I will continue to pick at anything which I feel out of turn, so to speak.  The reason for this will be known only to those who know my character best in-game - I vehemently despise the EPN movement and what they stand for.  In PvP, Zion can go free as they do not take precedence.  Don't be offended by my words, I'm merely questioning your faction on your Zionist beliefs, which is part of what the game should be.  These are the fun discussions, discussions that immerse you into the world far more than PvP ever could.))

You view our concerns over one of our 'flagship' Zionist factions as 'pointless'?  I'm sorry you see it that way, but we are merely attempting to ascertain Morpheus' Legacy's status in the face of continual evidence of EPN-ties.  They are genuine, justified concerns.  Whether or not they are 'pointless' remains to be seen. 

I accept that your view of 'cozy' may differ from mine, but I can assure you that the machines will never be aligned with Veil, to a degree which warrants the use of the traditional meaning of the word.

I haven't taken your words out of context, just highlighted the ones which concerned me the most.  The fact that you are the one who said them, negates the dislike you have of the manner in which I presented them.  You said 'truce be damned' when faced with potential altercations in one section, then claimed that you do in fact respect the truce, in another.  The discrepancies were already present, I'm just the one who pointed them out.  I await the time where Zion Command are aware of these 'temporary' EPN unities, and enforce the sequestering of their activities.  Zion should not be involved, EPN do not have our best interests at heart.

((I'm told these are OOC brackets - Who knew?  Anyway this doesn't come down to disrespect or anything as harsh as that.  This is a IC discussion regarding the concern over the consequences of certain actions.  I will continue to pick at anything which I feel out of turn, so to speak.  The reason for this will be known only to those who know my character best in-game - I vehemently despise the EPN movement and what they stand for.  In PvP, Zion can go free as they do not take precedence.  Don't be offended by my words, I'm merely questioning your faction on your Zionist beliefs, which is part of what the game should be.  These are the fun discussions, discussions that immerse you into the world far more than PvP ever could.))

((OOC - I'm not offended at all, I'm responding as Madbent would. He's a bit of a single minded guy, focused on his ultimate goals and is wholly dedicated to his faction. He can on occasion be arrogant about his actions and priorities when speaking to outsiders as well.))

   I've explained myself as much as I can and am willing to. We do not view our actions as interfering with the truce; and will always view anyone associating with the Cypherites with abject suspicion and hostility. If Zion Command concretely orders us to shift our priorities, then we will do so.

   Our only exception to pure devotion to Zion Command is asking us to abandon Morpheus in any way; we simply would never do that. We do not see this ever occurring of course - most in Zion would never accept such instruction, and the council knows this.

Yasamuu1 wrote:

So again i ask, where do you align yourself?

Like the others said. I follow Morpheus..
We made that choice a long time ago.