[7.1.5] I'd say we get along...very well - Vector - 4/16/07

Rossepillole,

I was pleased to have the chance to meet some of you on my rounds the other day. It is good to see how enthusiastic everyone is to defeat the General and return the Matrix to a state of stability!

Also, it was very kind of Veil to arrive and offer some combat practice. Although relations with the Cypherites have been strained lately, with this type of inter-organizational cooperation and camaraderie, I think we will soon understand each other very well indeed.

Efficientemente,

Agent Pace
System Liaison

I've had enough of this.

Machines, Zion will not tolerate Cypherite cooperation. If you do not cease cooperative relations with the Cypherites in full, we will take retaliatory actions.

We're supposed to be allies bound by the Truce, but you go behind our backs and not only work with, but helped to establish the same group of people who have constantly murdered and hindered our operatives, not to mention the city itself? And here, I thought that after the Cryptos incident, you might have learned that this is not something that we will take lying down.

We will not stand for this.

I hope your misplaced trust in Veil comes back and bites you right on the *CENSORED* Pace. I also hope Gray puts you on report for this infraction.

:::::::::incoming message:::::::::::

:::GnCft Morpheus at broadcast depth:::

****STATIC............STAT.......****

////////link established\\\\\\\\\

:::muffled but recognizable voice:::

..Agent...pace..

///////signal filter enable\\\\\\\\

///Clear Signal Established\\\

This is General Neopill of Vengeance Rising. You actions have been recorded , copied, and sent to various "hidden" source's in , and out of the simulation.  You have transformed from a "easy on the eyes" agent, to a person of interest.  Dont take this lightly. For some of your recent actions have had persuaded me to feel that much more confident, that this truce is a farce, and another form of control brilliantly schemed by your architect.

*eyes open a bit more wider*

 General Neopill

<Vengeance Rising>

Zions last hope.

What is Zion going to do if the machines doesn't end it's relationship with the cyph?  Go back to war with the machines?  Please, don't make me spill my Brandy.  The machines would crush every human that isn't connected to the simulation in a matter of hours if not minutes.  Zion, you're all talk and no action, and of course you won't take any action because you know it'll be futile.  You know that the machines would destroy Zion ten times over even before you can stop half of the machines forces.

Like I said, all talks..... 

MetaLogic wrote:

What is Zion going to do if the machines doesn't end it's relationship with the cyph?  Go back to war with the machines?  Please, don't make me spill my Brandy.  The machines would crush every human that isn't connected to the simulation in a matter of hours if not minutes.  Zion, you're all talk and no action, and of course you won't take any action because you know it'll be futile.  You know that the machines would destroy Zion ten times over even before you can stop half of the machines forces.

Like I said, all talks..... 

    Proof?

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

What is Zion going to do if the machines doesn't end it's relationship with the cyph?  Go back to war with the machines?  Please, don't make me spill my Brandy.  The machines would crush every human that isn't connected to the simulation in a matter of hours if not minutes.  Zion, you're all talk and no action, and of course you won't take any action because you know it'll be futile.  You know that the machines would destroy Zion ten times over even before you can stop half of the machines forces.

Like I said, all talks..... 

    Proof?

How about the past five times that the machines has destroyed Zion, as well as kill every living person inside of it, and how about the sixth time where they were corned inside the Temple.  The only thing that saved them was Neo, and he was a Super Hero.  Zion won't have a Super Hero this time around. 

But go ahead, talk the talk, stick your chest out and beat it. 

Maybe, Zion wont need just one. Some of us fight to free mankind, not all, but more than you are aware of. Never underestimate your enemy, especially one backed into a corner.

MetaLogic wrote:

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

What is Zion going to do if the machines doesn't end it's relationship with the cyph?  Go back to war with the machines?  Please, don't make me spill my Brandy.  The machines would crush every human that isn't connected to the simulation in a matter of hours if not minutes.  Zion, you're all talk and no action, and of course you won't take any action because you know it'll be futile.  You know that the machines would destroy Zion ten times over even before you can stop half of the machines forces.

Like I said, all talks..... 

    Proof?

How about the past five times that the machines has destroyed Zion, as well as kill every living person inside of it, and how about the sixth time where they were corned inside the Temple.  The only thing that saved them was Neo, and he was a Super Hero.  Zion won't have a Super Hero this time around. 

But go ahead, talk the talk, stick your chest out and beat it. 

Maybe, Zion wont need just one. Some of us fight to free mankind, not all but some. Never underestimate your enemy, especially one backed into a corner.

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

What is Zion going to do if the machines doesn't end it's relationship with the cyph?  Go back to war with the machines?  Please, don't make me spill my Brandy.  The machines would crush every human that isn't connected to the simulation in a matter of hours if not minutes.  Zion, you're all talk and no action, and of course you won't take any action because you know it'll be futile.  You know that the machines would destroy Zion ten times over even before you can stop half of the machines forces.

Like I said, all talks..... 

    Proof?

How about the past five times that the machines has destroyed Zion, as well as kill every living person inside of it, and how about the sixth time where they were corned inside the Temple.  The only thing that saved them was Neo, and he was a Super Hero.  Zion won't have a Super Hero this time around. 

But go ahead, talk the talk, stick your chest out and beat it. 

MetaLogic wrote:

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

What is Zion going to do if the machines doesn't end it's relationship with the cyph?  Go back to war with the machines?  Please, don't make me spill my Brandy.  The machines would crush every human that isn't connected to the simulation in a matter of hours if not minutes.  Zion, you're all talk and no action, and of course you won't take any action because you know it'll be futile.  You know that the machines would destroy Zion ten times over even before you can stop half of the machines forces.

Like I said, all talks..... 

    Proof?

How about the past five times that the machines has destroyed Zion, as well as kill every living person inside of it, and how about the sixth time where they were corned inside the Temple.  The only thing that saved them was Neo, and he was a Super Hero.  Zion won't have a Super Hero this time around. 

But go ahead, talk the talk, stick your chest out and beat it. 

*Looks at machines' track record for honesty*
*Compares growth rates*
*Searches for another answer*
*Looks at MetaLogic and thinks "How much brandy has he had again?*

The Bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Your Pro-Mech bruhaha, means nothing to me.

Your an obvious fan of what was brought onto Zion.

Enjoy your Machine position, while it lasts. When they find you, "insignifigant", and "only human", you'll either be dead, or running for the gates of Zion.

The Bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Your Pro-Mech bruhaha, means nothing to me.

Your an obvious fan of what was brought onto Zion.

Enjoy your Machine position, while it lasts. When they find you, "insignifigant", and "only human", you'll either be dead, or running for the gates of Zion.

    The machines say "our hero won't be there to save us" but what they don't realize is that we wouldn't have needed him if Smith hadn't screwed things up the first time around. So maybe their "hero" won't be there for them either.

    I can't speak for underestimating your enemy, I do that all the time. But at least I don't overestimate myself.

hellstomp3r wrote:

The Bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Your Pro-Mech bruhaha, means nothing to me.

Your an obvious fan of what was brought onto Zion.

Enjoy your Machine position, while it lasts. When they find you, "insignifigant", and "only human", you'll either be dead, or running for the gates of Zion.

True, if Zion decides to declare war on the machines again, I will be seen as a threat by them, there's no denying that.  I wouldn't expect anything less of them to either disown me and every other human working for the machine and cypherite organization, and/or kill us.  I knew the risk I took when I sided with them, and I accepted it. 

Can you honestly tell me that you're willing to accept the death of every man, woman, child of Zion if you actually persuade the Zion Council to re-start the war?   

When did I say I would persuade Zion Council? ((lmao))

When Did I say I would start a War? ((Rofl))

I just gave a bit of warning, You may be Agent Grays *paddle boy*, but some of us see through the smokescreen the Machines have put up.

MetaLogic wrote:

hellstomp3r wrote:

The Bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Your Pro-Mech bruhaha, means nothing to me.

Your an obvious fan of what was brought onto Zion.

Enjoy your Machine position, while it lasts. When they find you, "insignifigant", and "only human", you'll either be dead, or running for the gates of Zion.

True, if Zion decides to declare war on the machines again, I will be seen as a threat by them, there's no denying that.  I wouldn't expect anything less of them to either disown me and every other human working for the machine and cypherite organization, and/or kill us.  I knew the risk I took when I sided with them, and I accepted it. 

Can you honestly tell me that you're willing to accept the death of every man, woman, child of Zion if you actually persuade the Zion Council to re-start the war?   

When did I say I would persuade Zion Council? ((lmao))

When Did I say I would start a War? ((Rofl))

I just gave a bit of warning, You may be Gray's *CENSORED*, but some of us see through the smokescreen the Machines have put up.

hellstomp3r wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

hellstomp3r wrote:

The Bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Your Pro-Mech bruhaha, means nothing to me.

Your an obvious fan of what was brought onto Zion.

Enjoy your Machine position, while it lasts. When they find you, "insignifigant", and "only human", you'll either be dead, or running for the gates of Zion.

True, if Zion decides to declare war on the machines again, I will be seen as a threat by them, there's no denying that.  I wouldn't expect anything less of them to either disown me and every other human working for the machine and cypherite organization, and/or kill us.  I knew the risk I took when I sided with them, and I accepted it. 

Can you honestly tell me that you're willing to accept the death of every man, woman, child of Zion if you actually persuade the Zion Council to re-start the war?   

When did I say I would persuade Zion Council? ((lmao))

When Did I say I would start a War? ((Rofl))

I just gave a bit of warning, You may be Gray's *CENSORED*, but some of us see through the smokescreen the Machines have put up.

and you do what, nothing.  Nothing but talks and slap on the wrist saying "Bad Gray, bad!" 

Ahh and people wonder why I left Zion. 

*chuckles* 

I never once said, "do nothing". ((hahahaha))

<Vengeance Rising> is Clandestine.  Which means, watch your MF back!

Gen. Neo "pillster" pill

Metalogic, just shut the f*** up. You're only defending what shouldn't be defended. The Machines should not take sides with the Cypherites whatsoever but they do.

What to do to stop them? Form a complaint? A what an idea, the only thing is that the Machines know the worth of the Cypherites to them and every Zionite, EPN and Merv knows it too. the truce is a stalemate with the Machines with the upper hand. The only way to stop this CYPH nonsense is talk sense to the Mech Ops and tell them to NOT side with them ((EVEN IF IT'S AN LE, goddamnit)). The Mech Ops do not need the "strength" of the Cypherite hordes, they have the Machines, after all.

"If you don't like the way this organization is run, you are free to take your leave."
                                                                                                                          -Gray
Where I'm going with this is the machines are stubborn as hell, and seem to never truly admit when they're wrong. They'll do what they deem necessary to protect their **** system if it gets them all destroyed. With the advent of code bombs, one must ask, "do i really want to risk the lives of those I protect just so we can be friends with another group that would think nothing of killing those I am trying to protect, if it fit their purposes?" If people really want to save the lives of those in the matrix they can start by working WITH Zion, instead of against.

Edit: Clarity
Edit: oh, MetaLogic, please read my WHOLE sig

Skill writes:............................................like he know's what hes talkin' about.

/salutes to Skill

 ((see ya on Vector))  *winks*

Metalogic, your confusion is obvious. As obvious as what I beleive to be .....well..........................hehe...............*classified*

Gen. Neo "pillster" pill

 <VengeanceRising>

http://vengeancerising.proboards53.com/

...the only way to stop anything is to disband Zion and restart the cycle.

On a side note, and just for the record, Merv Operatives only began attacking after we were provoked by the Machines.  I was going to merely just observe the situation and take notes for Le Patron, but apparently even in these rare occurences, they feel uneasy about sharing the same space in a civil manner with us.   No worries, c'est la Vector, next time I will not hesitate to act violently first.

I would like to see more Mero/Mech harmony, as we have worked together in the past, especially on Vector against the troglodyte hordes.

One big Franco-Italian family!  No caves and slop and bare feet for us!  Why?  Because we are.....civilized.

"I figure that means they still want something we can give them. We'll just see how bad they really want it."

A quote said in this Event by Veil about the Machines: http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300010900

Makes you wonder if the Cypherites are up to something involving the Machines, doesn't it?

As for Zion Reacting to The Machines receiving Cypherite help, well I see why people are upset but this isn't a time to go to war against the Machines, since The General is still on the loose. Plus We also Have E Pluribus Neo backing us up on occasion, so need to fear the Tyranny of The Machines or Cypherites, we shall preveil.

On a side note, and just for the record, Merv Operatives only began attacking after we were provoked by the Machines.  I was going to merely just observe the situation and take notes for Le Patron, but apparently even in these rare occurences, they feel uneasy about sharing the same space in a civil manner with us.   No worries, c'est la Vector, next time I will not hesitate to act violently first.

Whilst I arrived during the hostilities..lets be honest here, after all the attacks on Gray and The Merv siding with The General, why should there be any kind of reprieve granted?

Secondly, in relation to the flack the Machinists are taking for trying to keep on good terms with the Cypherites: Veil is the most extreme Cypherite. Veil has orchistrated an attack on Zion's own hovercraft, this much is true. HOWEVER, if we get the Cypherites on board then they can continue where Cryptos left off, conducting themselves peacefully.

Nice to see Agent 'Pretty but bland' isn't wasting her time with trivialities, all this talk of what the machines 'could do' is amusing mostly because I agree they could achieve so much more but try as they might the best they seem to acheive is equilibrium....what they have in power they lack in imagination and now evolution is passing them by, linking with the Cypherites and their own short sighted philisophy is pretty much a no brainer.... doh lets try that thing...you know the one thats failed at least 5 times previously!

The bubble headed dim witted blonde appears to be directing operations!

The Machines should not work with the Cypherites. Or even associate with them. The Cypherites have killed Zionite soldiers and set off an EMP inside of Zion. The Cypherites are sworn enemies of Zion. And any one that helps them should be considered truce breakers.

And if this isn't the case, then Zion should be allowed to help and assist EPN as they see fit.

Edit: I re-read the event. And I still don't think the Cyphs and Mechs should have anything to do with eachother. And the same would apply to Zion and EPN. And I hope Veil does have something up her sleeve. That way maybe the mechs will learn that the Cypherites are dangerous.

a) The Machines don't trust the Cypherites, especially now that Veil is running the show.

b) EPN and Zion do work together despite the Zion Council disavowing them.

c) Veil and Pace dueled.  Big whoop.

d) Let's not get into the issue of breaking the truce when the lines are clearly blurred on all sides.

a) The Machines don't officially trust the Cypherites but always let them secretly "roam free", especially now that Veil is running the show.

b) EPN and Zion do work together despite the Zion Council disavowing them.

c) Veil and Pace dueled.  Big whoop.

d) Let's not get into the issue of breaking the truce when the lines are clearly blurred on all sides.

a) The Machines don't trust the Cypherites, especially now that Veil is running the show.

b) EPN and Zion do work together despite the Zion Council disavowing them.

c) Veil and Pace dueled.  Big whoop.

d) Let's not get into the issue of breaking the truce when the lines are clearly blurred on all sides.

I tend to agree with the sentiments above: It is easy to read too much in to such incidents.

We are in the midst of a "Cold War" where many such interactions would commonly be regarded as isolated "flash-points" by all parties. Consider the numerous skirmishes which occurred over International Water, during the late 20th Century of Human History...

((I would also add that the format of Live Events would quickly become stale if the various Org. representatives could only spout the retoric of their official stand-point. That's the beauty of introducing "personalities" in to how events unfold.))

Posturing by the respective camps is ultimately fruitless ((though these boards would be pretty pointless if people weren't allowed to express their opinions :p )). I believe this incident holds little credible evidence, in establishing direct Machine support for the Cypherite cause.

I've had enough of this.

Machines, Zion will not tolerate Cypherite cooperation. If you do not cease cooperative relations with the Cypherites in full, we will take retaliatory actions.

We're supposed to be allies bound by the Truce, but you go behind our backs and not only work with, but helped to establish the same group of people who have constantly murdered and hindered our operatives, not to mention the city itself? And here, I thought that after the Cryptos incident, you might have learned that this is not something that we will take lying down.

We will not stand for this.

The Machines could easily say the same thing to Zion for their *continuing* work with EPN.  (Shimeda's fiasco with the three bluepills that ended up killing one of them was an EPN/Zion operation, as evidenced by the Zion operatives' presence and participation.) 

What's that old saying...oh yes.  "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Illyria

They'll do what they deem necessary to protect their **** system if it gets them all destroyed. With the advent of code bombs, one must ask, "do i really want to risk the lives of those I protect just so we can be friends with another group that would think nothing of killing those I am trying to protect, if it fit their purposes?"

You misunderstand us -- the group we are trying to protect are the bluepills. 

As I've said before, even if every redpill (including myself) is killed, as long as the Matrix and the six billion human beings connected to it survive, I will consider it a victory.  6 billion lives are worth more than a few hundred thousand.

Illyria

Neoteny wrote:

I've had enough of this.

Machines, Zion will not tolerate Cypherite cooperation. If you do not cease cooperative relations with the Cypherites in full, we will take retaliatory actions.

We're supposed to be allies bound by the Truce, but you go behind our backs and not only work with, but helped to establish the same group of people who have constantly murdered and hindered our operatives, not to mention the city itself? And here, I thought that after the Cryptos incident, you might have learned that this is not something that we will take lying down.

We will not stand for this.

The Machines could easily say the same thing to Zion for their *continuing* work with EPN.  (Shimeda's fiasco with the three bluepills that ended up killing one of them was an EPN/Zion operation, as evidenced by the Zion operatives' presence and participation.) 

What's that old saying...oh yes.  "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Illyria

The Council didn't tell them to go there, Niobe didn't tell them to go there, Ghost didn't tell them to go there, and the rest of the city and I sure as hell didn't tell them to go there. It was not a joint EPN/Zion affair in any way.

They chose to do it. And perhaps we will choose to distance ourselves from them.

The truth of the matter is, we have had numerous opportunities to work in conjunction with E Pluribus Neo, and we have shot down the majority of them (excluding, say, information on the General, or the Assassin, or god forbid - Cryptos and the Cypherites!)

The truth of the matter is, Zion does not not support EPN, no matter your conspiracies. However, our supposed "allies", the Machines, were discovered not only aiding the Cypherites, but to helping bring them out of infancy and into a true blue organization?

And after we catch them, what do they do?

Admit it, and continue to do so.

Where's the regard for the Truce, the regard for Zion?