This thread is for discussing the special edition of The Other Side of the Looking Glass, posted on Monday, April 2, 2007.
A Special The Other Side of the Looking Glass - April 2, 2007
205 posts · 2007-04-02 12:44:29 to 2007-04-06 08:51:00
Given the track record of TSR Joel, when he was a forum admin, to say Im disapointed in your choice of replacment is understatement of the lifetime.
NOES WALRUS! :'(
Now i can't use your session to surf anymore, been good knowing you man
Now i can't use your session to surf anymore, been good knowing you man
/cry
Walrus, are you going to have a going away party?
We're gonna miss you.
Although, I will say, Raijinn is the man to do the job if you're not here anymore. Good decision.
I <3 Raijinn. XD
Walrus, are you going to have a going away party?
We're gonna miss you.Although, I will say, Raijinn is the man to do the job if you're not here anymore. Good decision.
I <3 Raijinn. XD((All messages in green are Shiboo's.))
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Like I said: I'm not really going anywhere. Just focusing on production.
And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
*cries*
Well, at least you'll still be producing... and I guess that's most important. Best of luck on the other game too.
Hey, friendly it is. Joel, avoid pissing matches with MxO players and you won't get such a 'lovely' response from them. Like the time you engaged us back int TCR days, and Walrus had to fix your mess. Good luck, you're going to need it.
<Keep it friendly, folks. - Walrus>
You did a grand job, and took the flak for a number of things, Your tusked presence--even if still omiscient--will be missed. Never have we had such a zoological public face, but we loved it. Farewell, Walrus.
Farewell to a great deal of things, in my opinion, but we'll see how it goes... Needless to say, I'm not too chuffed.
Farewell to a great deal of things, in my opinion, but we'll see how it goes... Needless to say, I'm not too chuffed.
Can i have your stuff?
lol, check your PM's though walrus
DA
lol, check your PM's though walrus
DA
Can I still stay under your desk? PLEASE!!!!
Shhhhh DA... *cough*
Shhhhh DA... *cough*
Helpful Links: Walrus wrote:
A...Raijinn introduction party?...*Shrugs*
I dunno, I think we just need a party. Walrus, Raijinn, Rarebit, all of you are invited, m'kay.
Could we have a party anyways? O.oLike I said: I'm not really going anywhere. Just focusing on production.
A...Raijinn introduction party?...*Shrugs*
I dunno, I think we just need a party. Walrus, Raijinn, Rarebit, all of you are invited, m'kay.
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Sad to see you go. Will You be Keeping the name Walrus on ur new adventure?
Walrus wrote:
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
LET, Devs ... then Frog, now Walrus... its like the original team is being deleted by agents of the system.
When you say "overseeing", exactly in what capacity, who will be making important production decisions? From what you say that seems like it will be still you which is good to know and that Raijinn will be taking over the community role on the forums/website.
*wait seen you answer that as I typed this. Having you focus on production is great, and look forward to all the other things you have planned.
Good luck on your other job too Walrus!, and its been great to have you in the role you have been part of for such a long time.
Welcome back Raijinn and good luck in your new role Raijinn.
NightTrace wrote:
Walrus wrote:Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Quoted for the sexy, sexy truth.
Oh...
And quoted for HAHAHAHAHAHA.
NightTrace wrote:
Oh, right, all over the place until they started getting a bunch of FM-1500 Magnums, *then* they began to shut up.
So, what is the price this time, NightTrace, hm? O_O!
Raijinn's a good guy, hands down. He is a great person for community management/relations/parties/etc.
Walrus wrote:Hmm...where have I seen the MCDOE post complaints about favortism before?...Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Oh, right, all over the place until they started getting a bunch of FM-1500 Magnums, *then* they began to shut up.
So, what is the price this time, NightTrace, hm? O_O!
Raijinn's a good guy, hands down. He is a great person for community management/relations/parties/etc.
((All messages in green are Shiboo's.))
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And Walrus... thanks for three years of great work!
NightTrace wrote:
From what i have seen Joel done recently with planetside is amazing, first thing first, our website will be needing a recoding. I'll do it
But seriously, Joel is a good guy that knows his stuff, like walrus said give him a chance you will learn to love him
DA
Walrus wrote:Now Come-on Joel is a good guy, the secret forums were for the better of the community and helped fixed many major exploits people have complained about and made PE's ALOT better.Edited before walrus can muhahahAnd, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
From what i have seen Joel done recently with planetside is amazing, first thing first, our website will be needing a recoding. I'll do it
But seriously, Joel is a good guy that knows his stuff, like walrus said give him a chance you will learn to love him
DA
Sixerz is sad.
DevilsArms wrote:
NightTrace wrote:Yes! Bescause sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many things were fixed via those forums, right? Shall we post links and give examples?Walrus wrote:Now Come-on Joel is a good guy, the secret forums were for the better of the community and helped fixed many major exploits people have complained about and made PE's ALOT better.Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
From what i have seen Joel done recently with planetside is amazing, first thing first, our website will be needing a recoding. I'll do it
But seriously, Joel is a good guy that knows his stuff, like walrus said give him a chance you will learn to love him
DA
Cmdr_Dezreki wrote:
NightTrace wrote:You know Dezreki, thats flamebaiting, and Im not going to stoop to your level on this one. I will give you a short responce however. The DOE has earned two FM-1500's. One by Symmetric when the DOE in no uncertain terms collected more then any other faction by a means of almost 100 items. The other by Mitrios who came out on top of a tournie. If you would like to make accusations based on fact, please feel free, if you would like to continue to make wild posts with no factual basis, please do not post at all.Walrus wrote:Hmm...where have I seen the MCDOE post complaints about favortism before?...Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Oh, right, all over the place until they started getting a bunch of FM-1500 Magnums, *then* they began to shut up.
So, what is the price this time, NightTrace, hm? O_O!
Raijinn's a good guy, hands down. He is a great person for community management/relations/parties/etc.
Cmdr_Dezreki wrote:
NightTrace wrote:OR, there hasen't been any complaining because Joel Thundersomething has been gone.Walrus wrote:Hmm...where have I seen the MCDOE post complaints about favortism before?...Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Oh, right, all over the place until they started getting a bunch of FM-1500 Magnums, *then* they began to shut up.
So, what is the price this time, NightTrace, hm? O_O!
Raijinn's a good guy, hands down. He is a great person for community management/relations/parties/etc.
Have fun with the untitled project aka DC Comics. I saw this coming.
Didnt see this coming...... =( sad to see you go Walrus.... (hurry bk!!!)
but also wb Raijinn, i missed ya pal
but also wb Raijinn, i missed ya pal
GF, nice 1 v 1, all me son!
PBlade wrote:
You did a grand job, and took the flak for a number of things, Your tusked presence--even if still omiscient--will be missed. Never have we had such a zoological public face, but we loved it. Farewell, Walrus.
Farewell to a great deal of things, in my opinion, but we'll see how it goes... Needless to say, I'm not too chuffed.
Please get off Walrus' nuts. And if Rajinn comes back most people will /quit.
Please reconsider Walrus.
Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time
DA
DA
Well, second unexpected departure of the day (sorry, hockey fan so I had to mention this )
Walrus, will Raijinn share his work time with all SOE games like he apparently was doing?
Oh noes!
BAI WALLY!
Welcome Raijinn.
Now let me get this out here folks...
Let us not turn this into a peeing contest between each other. Some posts are now heading to the flame side of things and I will not have that. We all have the right to express ourselfs about what Walrus has said but we don't have the right to turn this into faction/player attacks.
So I will say this once, leave that crap out of this thread or we will take swift actions on your accounts.
Let us not turn this into a peeing contest between each other. Some posts are now heading to the flame side of things and I will not have that. We all have the right to express ourselfs about what Walrus has said but we don't have the right to turn this into faction/player attacks.
So I will say this once, leave that crap out of this thread or we will take swift actions on your accounts.
DevilsArms wrote:
Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time
DA
Who cares about forum exploits when there are so many in-game? And... did you mean reporting our recruitment thread as fixing a forum exploit? ~LOLZ
Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.
DA, Im going to keep this short and sweet, and again, this is not a flame, but personal opinion.
You are correct in saying that I do not know exactly what you have done personally to fix things, via /bug or the "Champaigne Room".
I do know this though, when TCR came public you know what state it was in? It was a place where people would hang out and feel like "Cool kids". There was no bug reporting going on, it was just a bunch of "sup" and "Hey Raijin". If its changed since it went through the name change? Good. However I dont see how it could since the only member of the admin/dev team that was really posting in it was Raijin, and as a forum admin he didnt have a real means to getting anything posted there fast tracked to the team.
You are correct in saying that I do not know exactly what you have done personally to fix things, via /bug or the "Champaigne Room".
I do know this though, when TCR came public you know what state it was in? It was a place where people would hang out and feel like "Cool kids". There was no bug reporting going on, it was just a bunch of "sup" and "Hey Raijin". If its changed since it went through the name change? Good. However I dont see how it could since the only member of the admin/dev team that was really posting in it was Raijin, and as a forum admin he didnt have a real means to getting anything posted there fast tracked to the team.
NightTrace wrote:
2. You eared two FM-1500s, I didn't say *anything* about how you got them. I just simply said I didn't see many favortism posts come up like before after you guys got your FM-1500 Magnums.
3. And do I *need* proof of the favortism posts you made? I could dig them up, I'm sure, searching "NightTrace" would find them rather quickly.
4. My posts are wild, but they're fun.
5. I will continue to post, kthxbai.
When it comes down to it, Mr. NightTrace, there's *always* going to be favortism, even if it isn't extremely apparantly or extremely based off of favortism. You remember Rarebit's post about the people who do things in live events to get 'em on /ignore? I can *almost* guarantee he'd rather setup a LE meeting with a group of experienced/respected RPers than a group of spammers. Is that favortism? Yes, however, everyone goes off of what they prefer.
Cmdr_Dezreki wrote:1. Yes, I realize that was flamebating, but, I was right willing to accept a forum warning for getting my point across.NightTrace wrote:You know Dezreki, thats flamebaiting, and Im not going to stoop to your level on this one. I will give you a short responce however. The DOE has earned two FM-1500's. One by Symmetric when the DOE in no uncertain terms collected more then any other faction by a means of almost 100 items. The other by Mitrios who came out on top of a tournie. If you would like to make accusations based on fact, please feel free, if you would like to continue to make wild posts with no factual basis, please do not post at all.Walrus wrote:Hmm...where have I seen the MCDOE post complaints about favortism before?...Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.
Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Oh, right, all over the place until they started getting a bunch of FM-1500 Magnums, *then* they began to shut up.
So, what is the price this time, NightTrace, hm? O_O!
Raijinn's a good guy, hands down. He is a great person for community management/relations/parties/etc.
2. You eared two FM-1500s, I didn't say *anything* about how you got them. I just simply said I didn't see many favortism posts come up like before after you guys got your FM-1500 Magnums.
3. And do I *need* proof of the favortism posts you made? I could dig them up, I'm sure, searching "NightTrace" would find them rather quickly.
4. My posts are wild, but they're fun.
5. I will continue to post, kthxbai.
When it comes down to it, Mr. NightTrace, there's *always* going to be favortism, even if it isn't extremely apparantly or extremely based off of favortism. You remember Rarebit's post about the people who do things in live events to get 'em on /ignore? I can *almost* guarantee he'd rather setup a LE meeting with a group of experienced/respected RPers than a group of spammers. Is that favortism? Yes, however, everyone goes off of what they prefer.
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You are one of the major reasons this community is one of, if not, the best in all MMO's. It's with conflicting sad and happy feelings that we see you go. Sadness because the community is losing one of thier own and happyness because we get to see one of your long-term goals be realized. Best of luck to you!
Vitamin wrote:
DA
DevilsArms wrote:Humm how about unlimited poll voting, able to post in admin forums, able to view secret forums (even after the patch was applied), able to steal a session, able to steal a cookie, remote executable code, sig and avatar buffer overflow and thats just off the top of my head. That i all found and helped fix. So don't talk about me what i do. Again not getting into a flame fight here.Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time
DA
Who cares about forum exploits when there are so many in-game? And... did you mean reporting our recruitment thread as fixing a forum exploit? ~LOLZSeriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.
DA
(( Sits and contemplates the ramifications of this announcment...... **Shudders** ))
Vitamin wrote:
DevilsArms wrote:Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time
DASeriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.
Aye, if Rarebit goes...well it's not too hard to work it out, is it?
Sucks to see you go Walrus, we'll see what comes of this...but it's not really hope inspiring.
Vitamin wrote:
He talked on and on about things most of the time we already knew about.
Oooh, how important.
Honestly, what big important job did Walrus do as Com Rep?Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.
He talked on and on about things most of the time we already knew about.
Oooh, how important.
DA, thats great. However lets be honest, how many other forums are out there that have those problems fixed in a timely manner by their staff. And Sony Online Entertainment cant? In no way were Vitamin nor my own words ment to be a slight against you. But I am going to say again, in a spin on what Vitamin said. Forum bugs are great to have fixed, thats wonderful. And just because Raijin was able to fix some normal bugs in a rather -untimely- manner does not qualify him for a community managment posistion. if you refer to my original responce to what Walrus said, I beleive I posted some reasons that actually -disqualify- him.
DevilsArms wrote:
Vitamin wrote:DevilsArms wrote:Humm how about unlimited poll voting, able to post in admin forums, able to view secret forums (even after the patch was applied), able to steal a session, able to steal a cookie, remote executable code, sig and avatar buffer overflow and thats just off the top of my head. That i all found and helped fix. So don't talk about me what i do. Again not getting into a flame fight here.Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time
DA
Who cares about forum exploits when there are so many in-game? And... did you mean reporting our recruitment thread as fixing a forum exploit? ~LOLZSeriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.
DA
Again, who cares? Report something about the combat bug or being able to switch from speed to land a special to power and gain the bonus from that. Get that fixed, and I'll pat you on the back.
Either way you cut it, it's a useless forum where nothing is being fixed and or addressed through it's mean. A forum that was initiated by Joel. Again, if you wish for links and quotes, I will be MORE than willing to provide them.
Kthxbai
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
Vitamin wrote:Honestly, what big important job did Walrus do as Com Rep?Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.
He talked on and on about things most of the time we already knew about.
Oooh, how important.
L2STAYINFORMED
At the very least Walrus kept us informed about what was happening RIGHT NOW and what to expect in the future. Ever send Joel a PM and get a response? ~LOLZ
Last warning to drop the personal stuff and get back on topic guys. This is not the place to be having these conversations.
Walrus... I can say that you will be more than missed by the community, and we will definitely miss your infinte presence through participation on the boards and the weekly "Other Sides". Not to mention the sense of humor and good-natured and enthusiastic spirit about everything.
I've gotta back up Trace, though, and say that seeing Raijinn around more often and in a more commanding role is not something I'm interested in. I don't think anything's going to change this fact, though, so I'll deal with it as long as he has learned his lesson about sending unnecessary system messages during LESIG events.
Good luck, Walrus - I wish you well in all of your endeavors, and thank you for the great deal of work and creativity you have put into this game (and hopefully will continue to!)
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GF, nice 1 v 1, all me son!
Jurymen wrote:
you scared me
Stop the personal stuff before we force you to stop.
you scared me
Please stop the flaming folks.
To answer some of the questions: Raijinn's main tasks are on PlanetSide and MxO, with some helping out on Pirates. He's not jumping into all games anymore--he's all official 'n' stuff.
Er...what was the other one...edit coming in a sec....
Meh, can't find it. But I did find another one: Yes, I intend to keep my nomiker in the new game.
Congrats on the promotion, Walrus! It's a pity that a thread celebrating your new position has to be tainted with such angst. Great job everyone!
Regardless, we should still have a party!
Safe journey you wise old sea creature.