The E Pluribus Neo Manifesto

E Pluribus Neo Manifesto
Written by the members of E Pluribus Neo

Years ago messages like this would never have been heard or seen in such a public manner. Machine and man were at war with one another and the law of survival was to kill or be killed. Things have changed since then. Some call that change a truce. Neo called it peace. We call it a gift, and with this gift we are now all offered choices to make something of ourselves, choices that let us to go on to bigger and better things no longer being bound by the tyranny of war. Using this gift, the organization E Pluribus Neo was founded by a group of individuals seeking to honor Neo's name and legacy. Individuals that refused to sit idly by while groups try and bring the truce to the breaking point or manipulate one another in an attempt to gain control over them.

Many have dishonored our beliefs, our name, and us by using our leader's words and teachings and twisting them like the fanatical Christians and Muslims in our history so that they fit their own selfish desires. We can only apologize for being unable to stop these extremists in time and offer our sympathies to those whom they have hurt, but this message is so that those fanatics no longer have an excuse to shed blood, tear apart families, and free the unprepared. So that none can say they did not know. So that all will see what we are here to do and so that all who read these words will know the truth about E Pluribus Neo and understand its agenda and purpose.

We believe that Neo wanted everyone to have the freedom to choose. That he died so that everyone could have a choice. We as redpills are now in almost complete control of our lives, no longer bound by any rules except those we humbly submit to ourselves. But why not the bluepills? Why are they not allowed the first step to this freedom so they can decide if they are ready for the truth? We understand that not everyone is ready for the cold caves, the god awful food, and the reality that is the real world. We are not asking nor have we ever wanted all of humanity to be freed and forced to live in such conditions. But why are they still denied a conscious choice to accept or deny the real world?

The subconscious choice humanity is given now is not enough and has been proven to have flaws. Humans become aware of the choice, but do they understand how to choose or even understand what the choice is. Yes, some are privileged to have access to a computer or know the right people in clubs. They are easily found by redpills and can be offered the blue or red pill. Others, however, are left for dead in this world. They are not able to find a way to be noticed by recruiters, inevitably hurting the people around them and the ones they love as they try and make sense of the splinter in their mind. Even then, there are still those that are never aware of the choice or the option of another life, but would kill for a chance at a fresh start. Those whose dream world is a waking nightmare they are forced to live daily without any hope to ever start over.

And there are those that accepted this world. Those that love it and feel they are blessed to be part of it. Those that live unaware of the subliminal choice they made so long ago and are believed to be better of without ever knowing. But is it right to never tell them then what it means to accept the lie? To cover up the fine print that comes with the deal of a lifetime, this freedom to live a normal life at the expense of what they define to you as being your normal life? Is withholding this piece of information the price of their freedom? Those that take the bluepill are given the option to make it all seem like a dream, but why are most not even allowed that.

We, the organization of E Pluribus Neo, want to change that choice. We insist that a bluepill's choice no longer be decided subconsciously, but consciously. That they are told all that we as redpills were while being presented the choice: that the world around us was built as an elaborate prison and is not the world in which we were born. That by submitting to that prison and those that govern it, they hand over their right to freedom over their mind and body. But, also, that they are warned of what it could mean to leave: that the real world can be ugly, horrible, disgusting, hard to bear, and ultimately means giving up everything you once knew to live in an unknown desert.

We do not believe that this will create a massive uprising against the system or create enough strain that it and the machine city can not continue working at optimal levels. All it will offer is a more conscious and full choice which, if the one out of one hundred person ratio is correct, would do nothing to alter it except solidify the choice they supposedly have already made. This would also eliminate the need for people to search for potentials allowing them to instead come to them. Additionally it would eliminate the worry some have concerning methods of recruitment redpills use. If this system were installed and governed by both the Machines and Humans together, then there would be no concerns as to whether this process was being conducted properly or not, and those that are afraid to return just to reawake because of a redpill can finally go back to sleep without fear of waking up again unless they choose to again.

But, until such changes are made we will continue to free minds the way Neo himself was freed and continue reaching out to all the bluepills within the simulation despite not having authorization from any authority and we will continue to use such items as code pulse devices to help gather information on bluepills and uncover the hidden truths of our worlds. Our methods of awakening only include the two pills and an explanation of what each does and what the Matrix and real world are. Our ways of gathering information from the Matrix and mainframes are conducted by using devices that leave no scratches and do no harm to those in the area or the simulation. Devices such as code bombs, forcing a mind to witness something it can not comprehend, or spreading diluted half truths about the real to manipulate the decision and wreak havoc on the simulation were not the examples Neo showed us in how to awaken a mind and discovering the truth. The only reason for using these methods is driven by selfish ambitions - ambitions which seek the destruction of another race or self gain. We believe that Neo died for all beings, not just humanity. As Morpheus put it, "He saved us, he saved them, he saved the Matrix." We do not seek to destroy something that Neo gave his life to save from destruction.

Our enemies are only those who manipulate Neo's teaching and use his name in their fanatic causes of destruction and deceit. Already we are at war with a man that teaches others that Neo was a coward and only looked after himself. If that man were to truly listen to the events that people witnessed, or even think about the things they say, he would know that Neo was one of the humblest men in all of Zion. To bring Neo down to the level of Cypher is a slap in the face to all he died for and we will not stand by and allow it to continue. But this war is not against people who wish to return to an easy life within the simulation. We believe Neo died for choice, and to deny someone their choice to return to the simulation is as much of a crime as denying them a redpill when they seek a way out. We may not like it or agree with it, but we will not stop it as long as the only person choosing is the person going back.

Because of our willingness to do what we believe must be done we have left the Zion Council and have been denounced by them. As wise as the Council is we do not believe their decisions to be in line with what Neo would have wanted and no longer feel that their guidance in this truce is in our and humanity's best interest. We have also left in order to protect Zion from another war. Our actions and words are not "Machine friendly" and for that reason it has become necessary for us to leave our home. But even after being denounced and ridiculed by its soldiers and council we hold no hatred towards Zion and do what we do for its protection and the freeing of its brothers and sisters.

In closing, the E Pluribus Neo organization is one dedicated to the life and example of Neo. It strives to bestow the gift of choice he gave us to all humans and to honor, uplift and defend his name for his actions and what he taught us. Foremost, it aims to change the systems that still bind all living beings in the name of control so that all humans, programs, and exiles might be able to see and live in the world that Neo envisioned for us all. "A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries-- a world where anything is possible."

May Neo watch over and bless you all.

The following leaders have signed and approved of this message either in public or private.

Archangel - Opus Neo - Recursion
Dezreki - Holy Warriors E Zion - Recursion
Ezekhiel - Defiance - Syntax
GamiSB - E Pluribus Neo - Syntax
Havocide - Unus Somnium - Syntax
Hydrazine - Insurgence - Recursion/Vector-Hostile
KevinX - E Pluribus Neo - Vector-Hostile
Novalux - Syntax Liaison
PBell - Winter Brood - Syntax
Phrack - Satori Unum - Recursion
Shinpseudo - True Humanity - Syntax

As captain of the HvCft Rocinante, and on behalf of my crew, I endorse this manifesto.

To all who would know what EPN is truly about, here are the answers you seek.

How do you propose to tell everyone the truth about the Matrix?  Hijack a major news network or a communications satellite, and broadcast it?  Most people won't believe you...they'll think you're a bunch of kooks, or a doomsday cult, or something along those lines.  Unless, of course, you manage to provide them with proof.

And if you do give them proof, how will you prevent psychological damage to the bluepills who weren't ready to accept the true nature of reality? 

Illyria

How do you propose to tell everyone the truth about the Matrix?  Hijack a major news network or a communications satellite, and broadcast it?  Most people won't believe you...they'll think you're a bunch of kooks, or a doomsday cult, or something along those lines.  Unless, of course, you manage to provide them with proof.

And if you do give them proof, how will you prevent psychological damage to the bluepills who weren't ready to accept the true nature of reality? 

Illyria

I'm Sepet and i talk as representative of all CRUXCODE crew, we all endorse this manifesto , cause we belive in it

Well, Novalux pretty much stole exactly what I was going to say... /shakefist

But ah well, I approve this message.

Archangel for Pope in 2007!

How do you propose to tell everyone the truth about the Matrix?  Hijack a major news network or a communications satellite, and broadcast it?  Most people won't believe you...they'll think you're a bunch of kooks, or a doomsday cult, or something along those lines.  Unless, of course, you manage to provide them with proof.

And if you do give them proof, how will you prevent psychological damage to the bluepills who weren't ready to accept the true nature of reality? 

Illyria

How do you propose to tell everyone the truth about the Matrix?  Hijack a major news network or a communications satellite, and broadcast it?  Most people won't believe you...they'll think you're a bunch of kooks, or a doomsday cult, or something along those lines.  Unless, of course, you manage to provide them with proof.

And if you do give them proof, how will you prevent psychological damage to the bluepills who weren't ready to accept the true nature of reality? 

Illyria

No, we are proposing a system be set in place that both the Machines and Zion look over. A field introduced into the medical system that specializes in monitoring if patients are showing signs or may be interested in the truth. Start it off in the waiting room with a pamphlet and let it continue on threw the system like any other drug does. You ask your doctor, they send you to see if you are applicable, if you are then you're given the blue pill, red pill speech. Blue you don't apply and think the entire checkup was just a dream, red you take a ride down a metal tube.

This is a crude example but you get the point I hope. We aren't looking for something that's only run by humans but asking that the system be changed and that the Machines help with that change. That the choice is more solidified and there isn't anyone in the system that is up in the air about if they should be given a red pill or not.

Anome's mother was only one example of a flaw in the subconscious choice and there are many other stories in the system likes hers I'm sure that can be avoid if these people have a place to go.

Illyria22 wrote:

How do you propose to tell everyone the truth about the Matrix?  Hijack a major news network or a communications satellite, and broadcast it?  Most people won't believe you...they'll think you're a bunch of kooks, or a doomsday cult, or something along those lines.  Unless, of course, you manage to provide them with proof.

And if you do give them proof, how will you prevent psychological damage to the bluepills who weren't ready to accept the true nature of reality? 

Illyria

Given the fact that only 1% of the entire human population is ready to willingly disbeleive the simulation, and that -every single- human was given the subconcious choice after the Smith dealings.....kinda makes your goals seem...asinine.

Who the hell are you to decide what is and isnt "good enough". Your best bet is to do what the Kid says, to become followers of peace. Any and all actions taken that might attempt to force the truth on someone who is not ready for it will be met with force.

Yes that's true 1% is the percentage of humans born that reject the system and all are given a subconscious choice to do so. The point however is to turn that subconscious choice into a conscious one. We aren't looking to force the choice, only offering it again to make sure that it is what they want and they fully understand what it means. We aren't looking for a massive awakening but just a way that everyone can be given a choice thats not done subliminally but consciously.

NightTrace wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

How do you propose to tell everyone the truth about the Matrix?  Hijack a major news network or a communications satellite, and broadcast it?  Most people won't believe you...they'll think you're a bunch of kooks, or a doomsday cult, or something along those lines.  Unless, of course, you manage to provide them with proof.

And if you do give them proof, how will you prevent psychological damage to the bluepills who weren't ready to accept the true nature of reality? 

Illyria

Given the fact that only 1% of the entire human population is ready to willingly disbeleive the simulation, and that -every single- human was given the subconcious choice after the Smith dealings.....kinda makes your goals seem...asinine.

Who the hell are you to decide what is and isnt "good enough". Your best bet is to do what the Kid says, to become followers of peace. Any and all actions taken that might attempt to force the truth on someone who is not ready for it will be met with force.

Yes that's true 1% is the percentage of humans born that reject the system and all are given a subconscious choice to do so. The point however is to turn that subconscious choice into a conscious one. We aren't looking to force the choice, only offering it again to make sure that it is what they want and they fully understand what it means. We aren't looking for a massive awakening but just a way that everyone can be given a choice thats not done subliminally but consciously.

Who are you to lay a choice on everyone?
Who are you to say everyone actually want the choice to be given at a certain point?

Stop deciding for others. Your solution is flawed and until you come with a better one we will make sure you'll never succeed.

The beauty of what we have suggested is that the process would be entirely done by the bluepill. They would be the ones that choose when to make the choice.

You're right to ask who am I to offer them this choice but who are the Machines as well to offer it as well. We can't say that we have been given authorization by some higher power but we both understand the need for this choice. Without it no one would accept the system and now without it we would just be slaves. This may work for you but you can not speak for the masses. And until a system that gives a conscious choice and is open to all is installed we must continue as we do and offer it to everyone.

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *poop*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

Reeverb wrote:

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *CENSORED*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

I am E Pluribus Neo Field Commander Dezreki of the Holy Warriors E Zion and I endorse this manifesto.

Reeverb wrote:

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *CENSORED*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

GamiSB wrote:

Reeverb wrote:

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *CENSORED*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

Gami, I don't care about your method to achieve this free choice. My point here is that you're deliberately give people a choice they didn't ask for. While a few, or perhaps a lot of bluepills will be glad with what you tell them there will also be a percentage that would rather never learn the truth. Who are you to decide for these people?
Or have you forgot what a horrifying day your day of awakement was? Or how sick people get when they hear the truth? To learn how to use your body again? Some might feel releaved, others might not. Some are curious, some will feel saved before they are awakened and only told about the truth. Some will regret their choice the rest of their lives after awakement. - This is the case already and here are you, claiming that you want to make it worse than it is already.
Stop this nonsense. This is not needed. Until the system is safe, the awakened will never be save. If the system isn't safe, Zion isn't safe. But no, you want to free the innocent and let them help you in a ridiculous and pathetic war, risking their lives while they were safe without you.

You will not succeed.

I like when a machine say "u cannot take decision for every one" when the machine take it before.... Do u really think if the unconcious choice is not a need of the system, any man have ever the choice? yes? the next question i supposed to be, is this air that i'm breathing now?? Please wake up guys befor to talk of who can take decision for all.....

You fail to address the concerns of those who want out, who would be happy with the truth. You are thinking about this as if you were having the choice. There is a need for people to be given a choice between a dream enslaving them in Bondage and The Real. If they don't want the choice they can always take the blue pill.

Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off.

regardless of our actions or personal feelings regarding EPN and what it means the Machines will never give in to the possibility that they will loose blue pills to the reality of life.

Therefore it is imperative that as followers of E Pluribus Neo, we each fight for what WE beleive in, and not concern ourselves with the approval of the Machines or even those zionists who follow the misguided judgement of their council beleiving that one day humans and machines can and will live together in peace.

I beleive some people who have taken the red pill and are considered "awakened" are still trapped in the perma-frost of their minds as they can't see past the choices others have made and insead need to concentrate on their own.

Rxu-Commander  Shadows of the Infinite-EPN VECTOR

GamiSB wrote:

Reeverb wrote:

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *CENSORED*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

Gami, I don't care about your method to achieve this free choice. My point here is that you're deliberately give people a choice they didn't ask for. While a few, or perhaps a lot of bluepills will be glad with what you tell them there will also be a percentage that would rather never learn the truth. Who are you to decide for these people?
Or have you forgot what a horrifying day your day of awakement was? Or how sick people get when they hear the truth? To learn how to use your body again? Some might feel releaved, others might not. Some are curious, some will feel saved before they are awakened and only told about the truth. Some will regret their choice the rest of their lives after awakement. - This is the case already and here are you, claiming that you want to make it worse than it is already.
Stop this nonsense. This is not needed. Until the system is safe, the awakened will never be save. If the system isn't safe, Zion isn't safe. But no, you want to free the innocent and let them help you in a ridiculous and pathetic war, risking their lives while they were safe without you.

You will not succeed.

I give nothing, I only put my hand out. If they take the offer or not is up to them. Those that dont want to know take the bluepill and after that as far as they knew they never did know. Again I decide nothing they choose to come to us, they chosoe to listen, they choose which pill to take. They are warned that the truth sucks balls. That your giveing up everything to see it. If thats to much then take the bluepill by all means. If you want to give it all up then take the redpill.

If they do take the redpill and regret it then I may sound cold for saything it but thats there own *CENSORED* fault. If they thought they were ready to see the truth after being warned and can't coupe with it then they are the only ones to blame. But if that is the case then there are already ways to fix that whcih include going back to sleep. Your not bound to the redpill like you are the blue.

I do not want to free them, only offer them a choice to be freed. Neo didn't die so that every human could wake up, he died so every human could have a choice to wake up. We are offering these choices, thats all. 

GamiSB wrote:

Reeverb wrote:

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *CENSORED*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

That choice to solidify their choice is nothing else than the choice itself. The choice that should only be given to the 1% of the Matrix population. The reason for that is simple. Stability. Those who do not recognize their "splinter in their mind", as you put it, would only recognize it by begin given that choice and despite their memory loss, if they take the blue pill, the splinter would not go away because it is stuck in the subconscious. The subconscious is hard to alter and thus you would give everyone and not only the 1% this splinter, subconsciously, thus violating the peace Neo gave us.

At least that is what I think. Ree is right on this. It is a decision you cannot put. Meh... maybe sometimes the wrong decision is the righteous one but that doesn't mean it's the correct one.

As it is now the only solidifying of any choice is if the bluepill decides that somethings off. If they don't then they are just forgotten about but if they did feel soemthing odd about the world they are asked again. Like asking someone "Do you want some candy" When they say no you forget about it but when they say yes you ask "Are you sure?" Now is that polite?

Hell no! It in all honesty and politeness should be the oposite. They say no and you ask "Are you sure?" they say yes and you hand it to them. But thats not how this sytem works right now and thats an even bigger change then any would wan. Right now it works like the first example they say yes they want the real and then are asked again. They say no then the conversation is droped. All we want is no mater the sublimital choice they take, be it wanting the candy or not, they are still given a chance to be asked "Are you sure?"

You second point about inserting splinters after this talk is a concern but given up to today all the bluepills that I know or heard of after chooseing blue went back to there lives happy and carefree. The point of the bluepill is to get rid of any splinter or thoughts that may have seeped into the mind while haveing the truth explained to them. Now I'm not saying that there have never been cases when someone took the bluepill but still couldn't coup, no that im sure happens but in thos cases I believe it to be that the person was apart of the 1% and made the wrong choice from the start. But that in turn is a problem because now they are a danger not only to themselves but to others and by the way it works now Zion can't do anything to help them because they took the bluepill.

Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break.
Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens.

Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now.

You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice.

Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not. Red doesn't show you the truth as soon as you take it. It doesnt do a thing actully but insert a tracer into your RSI so you can be located in the real. The program named "The Scanner" comes to mind when dealing with the red pill because he was used to locate bluepills that had taken red but for some reason or another had yet to have been freed. No the red pill only shows the person offering it that the person chooseing is ready to take the jump and see the truth. After that they decided what to do, join Zion, join the Machie, join the merv, or go back to sleep.

Anome's mom was left to find the truth, look how she turned out. You think thats the only story like that in the city because I sure as hell dont. Everyone is ready for the choice, if they were not then the sublimital choice should have sent them on a joy ride already. No they are all ready it's just some dont know how to make it and we offer the means to make it.

Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not. Hell thats the first choice wasn't it? The choice to see someone and ask about the truth. You don't want to, ok don't have to. HAve a nice day.

BlueCode wrote:

Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off.

That little piece of ignorance nullifies any other potential credibility the remainder of your argument may have had.

Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break.
Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens.

Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now.

You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice.

shinpseudo wrote:

BlueCode wrote:

Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off.

That little piece of ignorance nullifies any other potential credibility the remainder of your argument may have had.

What? You think that by insulting me it'll pass off the atrocities you've created and been a part of in the matrix? You fool.

Even you yourself have said that my statement may have some potential credibility. You know it's the truth.

Reeverb wrote:

Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break.
Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens.

Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now.

You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice.

Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not.

For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.

Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not.

GamiSB wrote:

Reeverb wrote:

Prove the bluepill his reality is fake and his mind will break.
Tell the bluepill only a small part of the truth and chances are he'll regret it when he awakens.

Let the bluepill find his own way out and only guide those who seek the truth behind their reality. These bluepills are the ones who can accept the truth. This is the 1% that fails to stay connected to the system. You need to leave the other 99% alone for you will do more harm to them than good. Even offering a choice could break their mind. Your solution of giving the choice will not result in peace but in confusion. Confusion leads to frustration and in the end we're further away from peace than we are now.

You have to realise not everyone is ready to be given a choice and that they cannot be made ready regardless of how you present them the choice.

Thats why they have the choice to decide if they want it to be proven to them or not.

For the 4th time: Not everyone is ready to be given the choice.

For the 4th time we dont want them to only choose between real or Matrix We want them to be able to choose if they want to choose between real or the matrix. We want them to have a choice in everything, freedom over there lives.

Your speaking on behalf of everyone again athough you just claimed you don't, I say let everyone decide for themself if they want the choice or not.

You're now going against yourself.
First you tell us you want everyone to be given the choice. And with that last line you say that everyone can decide for themselves if they want the choice or not.

This is why EPN is failing: Y'all don't make sense and have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about! You're avoiding, missing or/and ignoring my point. I pointed out the flawes in your ignorant logic but you still just repeat them.

I give up.

EPN wants everyone to be given a choice, yes glad you can see that far. But not just in one thing small area, but in everything! I've said this from the start but you continually just overlook it and skip over to giving them the choice between red and blue saying that our plan is flawed because we are pushing this one area on everyone. Wrong we want everyone to know is there is a choice before the pills a choice before hearing about the truth. The choice to decide if you want to go down that path and hear the rest of the story. But 99% of the population is denied that first choice. Denied a chance to make sure that what they subliminally want is really what they want. And anytime someone reaches out to inform them that there is this choice. That its there if they want to make it. But right now that isn't allowed to happen. People can't choose if they want to hear about the truth or not.

That's what we want. The freedom so that every human plugged into the Matrix, apart of the 1% or 99% has the right to decided for themselves, consciously waht they want to make of there life.

So stop skipping over parts and start reading with an open mind and maybe you will understand that we aren't these lunatic redpills that want to shove a choice on everyone but just people that want to inform the world that if they want to have a choice they have it and its waiting for whenever they feel they are ready to choose.

Let's go back to basics, shall we?

1) The Matrix is a prison. People are incarcerated in jelly-filled pods with bodies being force-fed the liquified remains of the dead, while their minds are force-fed a lie by a computer.

2) The Machines use humans for power. This is slavery, because the people get nothing in return. The argument that the Machines provide for the safety and security of humans in return for control is not effective because people have an inalienable right to be Free.

3) The 'choice' given to humans is subconcious. This means they literally have no control over said 'choice'. They either subconciously accept the lie, or they do not. For those who do not yet know the Truth, they are permitted no concious choice. No understanding, no realization, no logical progression and digestion of the facts of their reality. Therefore, they are held against their will. Furthermore, because they are still here, so must we be. By extension, we are slaves, then, too.

4) Neo died to save us all; human, machine, program. EPN recognizes and honors that sacrifice. We merely want the people to have an understanding of the Truth, so that they can make a concious choice. There will be those that wish to remain in the Matrix, and we are fine with that, so long as it is their choice. Even if it turned out to be the majority of the Bluepills currently enslaved to this system, EPN would not hinder or harass anyone who made the concious choice to stay.

People are not as fragile as you would have everyone believe. They can survive the Truth; I've seen it hundreds of times. As a race, we are strong. There is hope for us yet. Neo's peace was just the first step, but make no mistake, he wanted freedom for us all. E Pluribus Neo will continue to strive for that freedom so long as there is one of us left alive, whether Michael is here to lead us or not.

May Neo Watch Over Us All. 

Therefore it is imperative that as followers of E Pluribus Neo, we each fight for what WE beleive in, and not concern ourselves with the approval of the Machines or even those zionists who follow the misguided judgement of their council beleiving that one day humans and machines can and will live together in peace.

Does this mean you don't support peaceful coexistence?  Do you believe in separatism, or in wiping out those on the other side?

Illyria

Rxu wrote:

Therefore it is imperative that as followers of E Pluribus Neo, we each fight for what WE beleive in, and not concern ourselves with the approval of the Machines or even those zionists who follow the misguided judgement of their council beleiving that one day humans and machines can and will live together in peace.

Does this mean you don't support peaceful coexistence?  Do you believe in separatism, or in wiping out those on the other side?

Illyria

Anome's mom was left to find the truth, look how she turned out. You think thats the only story like that in the city because I sure as hell dont.

Anome's mother lived in a different time.  Now that the truce is in place, those who reject the simulation can be found by Zion more easily, and without them having to worry about agents or sentinels interfering.

GamiSB wrote:

 Everyone is ready for the choice, if they were not then the sublimital choice should have sent them on a joy ride already. No they are all ready it's just some dont know how to make it and we offer the means to make it.

How do you offer them the choice consciously, without planting the seed of doubt in their minds?

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

People are not as fragile as you would have everyone believe.

C'mon, a few years back people saw a comet in the sky and thought that there was a spaceship in it that was going to take them to heaven...so they castrated themselves and eventually killed themselves.  This is just one example of how the human mind is not unbreakable.

Watch the bluepills, and monitor them for signs of awakening.  Offer the red and the blue pills to those that are found.  By giving a so-called conscious choice to the others, you are forcing them onto the path of awakening.  Just because you consider the Matrix to be a prison or a form of slavery, that doesn't mean the blues think of it as that. 

Illyria 

PS: Let's take this analogy a little further, shall we?  I might as well say I'm 'imprisoned' because I can't leave the Earth -- I have the inalienable right to be free, which means I can go wherever I want, but I'm stuck here and I can't leave!  So I'm in a prison.  And I'm enslaved to this *CENSORED* oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere, that won't let me go anywhere there's no air to breathe.

You can consider me the person who is aware that after all this damage has been done by either side we can never peacefully coexist.

I have surpassed the lie that many still beleive in,  To even attempt such things will bring us more casualties and further divide the human race.

We spend soo much time and energy defending a goal that is obviously flawed, maybe the machines have realized this before the zion council and those who follow their lead.

 I choose my own path, one that Neo firmly beleived in, until he realized it was too late and mankind was at the brink of destruction.

Much like the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.

But again this was only a delay, in hopes that many more could be saved from the system, before his second comming..were he will spread justice amongst those left...

The true question here is..Wich side are you on? As only one will inherit the earth.

BlueCode wrote:

shinpseudo wrote:

BlueCode wrote:

Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off.

That little piece of ignorance nullifies any other potential credibility the remainder of your argument may have had.

What? You think that by insulting me it'll pass off the atrocities you've created and been a part of in the matrix? You fool.

Even you yourself have said that my statement may have some potential credibility. You know it's the truth.

May have had. Meaning it could of, but it dont. Go back to sleep troll.

GamiSB wrote:

Anome's mom was left to find the truth, look how she turned out. You think thats the only story like that in the city because I sure as hell dont.

Anome's mother lived in a different time.  Now that the truce is in place, those who reject the simulation can be found by Zion more easily, and without them having to worry about agents or sentinels interfering.

This is true however what about those who can't be found? What can they do? I use Anome's mother as an example of what can be avoided if a system were to be installed that allowed humans to come and go to learn about the truth as the felt the need. With both man and machine working with it and applying to tocuhes it would need to not look like a cult then no one has an excuse not to look into if they sufferd from what Anome's mother did.

GamiSB wrote:

 Everyone is ready for the choice, if they were not then the sublimital choice should have sent them on a joy ride already. No they are all ready it's just some dont know how to make it and we offer the means to make it.

How do you offer them the choice consciously, without planting the seed of doubt in their minds?

By following the procedure that Zion is supose to follow in freeing a mind. It works perfectly. When done right is explains why they feel what they feel what it is they are feeling and warns them of what it means to learn the rest of what it is they are experenceing. If they are not willing to pay the price then they take the blue pill and fall fast asleep. Those that were just curious believe it to have been a dream and continue on with there life. The doubt that was planted is instantly removed from the soil. Those that were apart of the 1%...I would be lieing if I said it was the same but sadly you can not remove a seed once its started to take root. That is a proble but one that can nto be fixed without steping on peoples toes, perhaps the Machines could come up with a way to help these people.

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

People are not as fragile as you would have everyone believe.

C'mon, a few years back people saw a comet in the sky and thought that there was a spaceship in it that was going to take them to heaven...so they castrated themselves and eventually killed themselves.  This is just one example of how the human mind is not unbreakable.

Watch the bluepills, and monitor them for signs of awakening.  Offer the red and the blue pills to those that are found.  By giving a so-called conscious choice to the others, you are forcing them onto the path of awakening.  Just because you consider the Matrix to be a prison or a form of slavery, that doesn't mean the blues think of it as that. 

ShiX may want to answer this himself but I'm going to go head and add my two cents while im replying. Humanity can't be judged on what a fraction of the people believe. True some are more fragil, more prone to believe comets are spaceships and the such but that doesnt account for them all. In fact isn't the group you speak of a very small minority to the world populous at that time? Generalzation gets you no where but looking like a closeminded person and we both know that you arn't that.

We are not asking them to have the choice forced on them, just allowed to decided for themselves conciously if they it if they want to make the choice. 1% or not, they are aloowed to choose to put their feet on the path and they inturn are allowed to then step off the path at anytime. While many proably don't believe the Matrix to be a prison there are still alot that that do. And while many may get curious but once warned will jump off the path there are still those that will keep walking.

Illyria 

PS: Let's take this analogy a little further, shall we?  I might as well say I'm 'imprisoned' because I can't leave the Earth -- I have the inalienable right to be free, which means I can go wherever I want, but I'm stuck here and I can't leave!  So I'm in a prison.  And I'm enslaved to this *CENSORED* oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere, that won't let me go anywhere there's no air to breathe.

shinpseudo wrote:

BlueCode wrote:

Code pulses, bombs, there all the same - and E Pluribus Neo dont have a problem with setting any of them off.

That little piece of ignorance nullifies any other potential credibility the remainder of your argument may have had.

What? You think that by insulting me it'll pass off the atrocities you've created and been a part of in the matrix? You fool.

Even you yourself have said that my statement may have some potential credibility. You know it's the truth.

99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix.

• We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
• [data lost] is communication: people talking to one another about their common problems and forging a common destiny. Before people can govern themselves, they must be free to express themselves.
• In [data lost], Popper developed a critique of historicism and a defence of the 'Open Society' and [data lost]. Historicism is the theory that history develops inexorably and necessarily according to knowable general laws towards a determinate end. Popper argued that this view is the principal theoretical presupposition underpinning most forms of authoritarianism and totalitarianism. He argued that historicism is founded upon mistaken assumptions regarding the nature of scientific law and prediction. Since the growth of human knowledge is a causal factor in the evolution of human history, and since "no society can predict, scientifically, its own future states of knowledge", it follows, he argued, that there can be no predictive science of human history. For Popper, metaphysical and historical indeterminism go hand in hand.

You can consider me the person who is aware that after all this damage has been done by either side we can never peacefully coexist.

I have surpassed the lie that many still beleive in,  To even attempt such things will bring us more casualties and further divide the human race.

We spend soo much time and energy defending a goal that is obviously flawed, maybe the machines have realized this before the zion council and those who follow their lead.

 I choose my own path, one that Neo firmly beleived in, until he realized it was too late and mankind was at the brink of destruction.

Much like the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.

But again this was only a delay, in hopes that many more could be saved from the system, before his second comming..were he will spread justice amongst those left...

The true question here is..Wich side are you on? As only one will inherit the earth.