Hacker Groups...

15 posts · 2006-12-07 06:40:00 to 2006-12-09 10:13:00

#36300113973 12/07/2006 06:40 Hacker Groups...

Group1
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|Name   |Won |Drawn|Lost|Pts|
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|Hlew88 |  3   |   0       | 0 |  9 |
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|Orion1 |  2    |   1      |  1 |  4 |
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|Bayamos| 1 |  1      | 1   | 4 |
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|IgnitionX |  0    |      0 | 3 | 0 |
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Group2
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|Name   |Won |Drawn|Lost|Pts|
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|J1GOKU |  2   |   0       | 0 |  6 |
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|Venom88 |  1   |   0    |  1 |  3 |
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|Krytical | 0    | 0       | 2   | 0 |
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|D1nam0    |  0   | 0    | 0 | 0 |
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#36300114974 12/08/2006 05:44 Re:Hacker Groups...

The only way for sure to make sure that there is no foul play is to check clothing prior to jackout and when they jackback in. Even then unfortunately many clothing looks the same but has completely different buffs.

I specifically seen a coat change and the original coat was full length so there was really no way of me tell for sure what items were changed unless I was up close and personal but there was indeed a change made after jacking back in which is why he stood in the middle blocking the first round.

Id also like to add that I walked out after 1, if someone wants a fair fight Id advise using the above for reference.

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=35600001459

#36300114981 12/08/2006 06:10 Re:Hacker Groups...

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Thats not the case though - if you jack back in your styles and buffs are reset - therefore reseting the accuracy. I believe you relate this to the DE bug..however thats a flawed theory because the jacking out and back in immediately doesn't interupt the DE timer - therefore u could still get perma DE. Where as jacking out does reset the styles and buffs so someone would have to change clothes again.

My bad you guys are totally correct jacking out will reset your buffs unless players change clothing after jacking back in which is what I witnessed so my first post is incorrect.

So to clarify jacking out even for a second is fine as long as they dont change clothing after jacking back in which is what I witnessed anyway.

Looks like we need the fashion police to truly make sure there is no foul play. Yes I was paying attention not my fault no one else was.

Someone did change clothes again, infact thats why they stood they like a lump forcing Kryt and Ven to fight on the side of the fight club instead of the middle where it was originally intended.

#36300114996 12/08/2006 06:32 Re:Hacker Groups...

Beanno wrote:

.... you have to use the same fighting style for the sploit to work, so duel hanguns the whole time, no using smgs with duelist or it resets, same with switching from hyper dodge to hyper sense have to stay with your def u began with ....

Jackin out fixes problems with cloth stacking. If you jackin again, your fighting style is set to self-defense (changing styles undo cloth stacking) and you have no buffs / defense running. If you activate them again, buffs and defenses using your current cloth stats.
Even if you change clothes in an ongoing fight, you cannot activate your buff (combate stance) and just do it for the sake of getting +5 viral acc and only some points for defense isn't worth the IS, the bustle and doesn't make any difference. There is no need to bar people from changing clothes, most of the time it's just done to get a better IS regen for a short amount of time or max your resi against high dmg attacks.
Anyways, if you thought there was something in disorder, you should had staid at the tournament. It's no secret that CSRs / Devs watching those fights.

btw - kryt and ven fought at the other side of the club, cause hlew fall asleep and stood between both of them.

#36300115004 12/08/2006 06:41 Re:Hacker Groups...

CrazyJun wrote:

Beanno wrote:

.... you have to use the same fighting style for the sploit to work, so duel hanguns the whole time, no using smgs with duelist or it resets, same with switching from hyper dodge to hyper sense have to stay with your def u began with ....

Jackin out fixes problems with cloth stacking. If you jackin again, your fighting style is set to self-defense (changing styles undo cloth stacking) and you have no buffs / defense running. If you activate them again, buffs and defenses using your current cloth stats.
Even if you change clothes in an ongoing fight, you cannot activate your buff (combate stance) and just do it for the sake of getting +5 viral acc and only some points for defense isn't worth the IS, the bustle and doesn't make any difference. There is no need to bar people from changing clothes, most of the time it's just done to get a better IS regen for a short amount of time or max your resi against high dmg attacks.
Anyways, if you thought there was something in disorder, you should had staid at the tournament. It's no secret that CSRs / Devs watching those fights.

btw - kryt and ven fought at the other side of the club, cause hlew fall asleep and stood between both of them.

Sorry but I JUST tested this if you change your clothing after jacking back in you STILL retain the buffs of original clothing as those were the ones you had equipted when you first entered the Matrix just like stepping in a HL to refresh.

I DID speak my mind at tourney and left.

Also no offense to anyone as I was told a certain CSR was watching, but seriously did he have time to pay attention to all that and everyone there? No offense to him but isnt this the same csr to suspend Kryt and Justero for using MS as it was designed originally in CR2?

I dont need to prove my point any further, I have tested myself and I dont need anyone to validate sorry.

I can jackout then switch clothing and have an extra 13pts VA even after I switch to full res. Thats pretty significant and I witnessed the clothing change.

#36300115018 12/08/2006 07:19 Re:Hacker Groups...

Im not doubting anyone competence at all so dont missread my words.

Truthfully check, the bonuses are not listed anymore after the switch yet your accuracy STILL contains them.

Every lo is going to read slightly differently so you would essentially have to be very familiar with EVERY lo and add everything up manually which is just impossible to do in that amount of time.

Ill leave it at that.

Aint nobodies fault CR2 is very flawed between this issue and force spamming. Neither of which can be enforced.

Im just extremely sick of scrubs taking advantage of the flawed combat system.

Ill stop posting as I believe you have run a great tourney but unfortuantely due to the flaws of CR2 the result dont mean much. Guess somebody all in the sudden has become elite.............

Trust me theres a reason that thread has been read 20k+ times but has less than 3 pages of posts within.

#36300115145 12/08/2006 09:00 Re:Hacker Groups...

Yasamuu1 wrote:

I didn't say you were doubting anyones competence..but the fact you brought up kryt and justero's banning shows you're questioning the integrity of one decision - however it's irrelevant.
If the bonuses don't show - the added bonuses that is, then how can we trully know that there is an exploit? My understanding of it was - you pre buff Acc and switch to resistance - the accuracy stays the same whilst you get mega resist. The accuracy would stay the same on the bonus panel whilst the resist would be through the roof also - therefore its easy to check equiped clothes and bonus panel for any kind of mathematical miscalculations.

The ONLY reason I brought that up is to show that perhaps he didnt know exactly what to check for much less have the time in the time alloted. At the time of the incident they were merely using the tree as it was designed and were not at fault of their own. I think he does a great job and is plenty busy with other things truthfully, I only mentioned that merely to make a point that he isnt familiar with the combat system as alot of players who play on it daily in massive amounts. After all he does have a job to do and is quite busy. No disrespect involved and thats real talk. This is much more complicated and highly time consuming then checking for 60 stats in the Vec Olympics although Im willing to bet this "bug" was used undetected as well then too on a few occasions possibly. Only stating that because its not new and has most likely existed since beginning of cr2.

The bonuses dont read in the bonuses after you switch, they are merely added to your accuracy which would vary on EVERY player due to individual abs they had loaded. It would be impossible for him to check everyones stats as he would have to check their entire loadout to see what they had equipt as certain trees add different acc bonuses.

Even if he was that familiar with every individual ab and checked everyones full loadout as well he simply wouldnt have had that kinda time, no one would have not EVEN Neo.

No disrespect involved at all just being realistic.

How do we know that even though the accuracy is still there even though they dont appear in your bonus page but still appear in your VA? good question, I wondered that myself at first until i tested it and was quite apparent that I had much less deflections and well as rolling much better in IL. Test yourself and see.

And its considered an exploit because 9mmfu said it was 6monthes ago. Until they say differently its classified as exploiting a bug when used in PVP

#36300115543 12/08/2006 17:43 Re:Hacker Groups...

After thoroughly testing the ONLY way to insure that someone is not using this and to have a truly good fight is to have each player fire 1 round of freefire when match starts or even right before.

This is my advise for ANYONE planning on having a tourney OR looking for a fair duel. Jacking out doesnt mean a dam thing.

Even if you then put on your other clothing it will not update again after using freefire ( at least I havent found a way)

Id say to be safe make the free-fire begin the fight incase there is a way by reapplyng buffs, that way it would give players a limited timeframe to do such things, free fire and let the fight begin.

Word to the wise.

My fault for not taking screens of the 2 diff outfits I saw him in. Debate it all you want I dont give a F. There was a definite change made after the jackout.

Even then I know personally I could avoid as I have a large library of clothing and could easily find resistance pieces to replicate alot of acc items I have.

FREE-FIRE = The ONLY real solution

PS I have no issues with losing it happens and often at times, dont hate me because I know better and have exposed the cheaters that think they OWN anything but themselves.

Real Talk

#36300115552 12/08/2006 18:28 Re:Hacker Groups...

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Nope, sorry. I tested this /jackout and jack in immediately. Noticed that all my buffs were reset.

Try jacking out then back in then switching outfits and tell me what happens?

I know I tested it. Your right buffs reset BUT if you switch outfits AFTER jacking back in (which was what happened) then youll see what Im talking about.

Test that, believe me.................... FREE FIRE = ONLY REAL SOLUTION

Sure the jackout cant hurt to make sure they dont have otherbuffs running such as UM or TB but it dont mean ish.

If I was having tourney it would go like this.

Stat hack then jackout, jack back in and free fire to start fight.

The free-fire is key!

IF you use the free fire then it doesnt matter what they are wearing they could wear something to cover and even if they try to stack it wont work at that point, sure there might be a way I havent found BUT if free fire starts the duel/match they wont have time to switch anybuffs and the Self -Defense Style will correct any stacking they might have done after jacking back in.

#36300115560 12/08/2006 18:35 Re:Hacker Groups...

darkhaze wrote:

this is a pretty difficult subject to talk about. if i thought it would do any good id fraps how excatly to do it so that everyone can see that its not bs and specially not hard to do. but im not gonna do that cuz it would only create more drama during pvp.
ill just say this. /jackout dosent mean *CENSORED*. so /jackout is basically a waste of time unless its to prevent some other exploit. but this exploit only requires two things. clothes and im not telling the other.

Unfortunately there has been a thread in another section posted over 6 monthes ago with 3 pages and dam near 20k Views.

Yeah, I didnt know either SMILEY

And Yas Im not gonna argue this anymore I only suggest you add the free-fire to the beginning of the remainder of fights that go on.

I saw the change but its my own dam fault for not screening it as I was definitely looking for it.

#36300115825 12/09/2006 06:36 Re:Hacker Groups...

krytical wrote:

You all need to remember that people use outerwear that cover your entire clothes in order to hide the ugly combination of clothes required to perform good in PvP. I want to get the best PvP clothes, but I don't want to look like a clown while I do it. I personally wear Neo trenches because they're the best looking level 50 armored outerwear (resistances > bonuses) and cover my hideous combination of armored violet shirt with amored brown shorts and dress shoes, I originally got mine from Reg, but madbent also uses it. I doubt these people use them to exploit since they've been kicking *CENSORED* forever. Ignition, no offense but your reaction in the tourny showed your lack of sportsmanship. You started accusing people of exploits after you lost, then you left, it only seemed to me like you were being a sore looser. There's nothing wrong with loosing. I got my *CENSORED* handed too, twice, I just got my shite together and simply said GF. Loosing duels doesn't mean anything, it just means you and I have to practice more with Hacker.

I have no problem losing, I watched the cheat change clothes while you and Ven had to fight on the side.

He's 3 out of 3 wins in MA tourney and 3 out of 3 wins in hacker tourney now? On the streets hes one of the worst players EVER to play on Vec. You think what you want, I already know.

Practice more with Hacker, rofl maybe if I clothes stack too Ill be able to hang with the uber cheat. Get right man, you dont know whats going on here seriously as you just came back.

Where the F is Judge Judy

Call me a sore loser all you want, Im a realist, I wouldnt have mentioned it if he wasnt already suspected from MA tourney and I watched him do it at Hacker Tourney.

Go ahead cough it up to dumb CR2 luck that he was undefeated in MA and Hacker................. easy to stay undefeated when you dont lose your extra buffs from DE.

When someone cheats its NOT a GF, not IMAO.

F being PC Ill keep it real.

And no need to worry about clothing NOW just use the FREE-FIRE it doesnt matter what they have on. Im out of this thread believe what you wish.

#36300115861 12/09/2006 07:45 Re:Hacker Groups...

This whole discussion is a waste of time, but well ....

Instead of complaining and accusing people for exploiting, I would think about my LO and the clothes I wear. For me, I got good clothes for hacker duels and the difference of using those clothes and stacking clothes would be like that -> +5 accuracy, +3 defense, +28 resi. Well, this makes no difference in the end of a fight.

btw - free-fire resets your style, but not your defense and tree buff. Jackout or delete upgrade is the only way to go.

#36300115914 12/09/2006 09:01 Re:Hacker Groups...

Yasamuu1 wrote:

/jackout only works for 99.9% of us.

All except the .1% that jacked back in and change clothing AFTER jacking back in. TEST IT!

Now stop trying to play damage control for your head job.

Actually its not a waste of time..........Its a waste of info for all that paid money expecting a fair fight.

And while I wasnt there to witness the MKT portion Im willing to bet even with stacked acc/res it wasnt enough to keep a well placed punt or other assassin move from erasing his clothing stack after his first recon/rez

Use FREE-FIRE, end of story test the jackout it doesnt work if they change clothing after jacking back in which IS what he did.

Stat-Hack, jackout, free-fire = the ONLY way to stop cheaters TEST IT (In that order)

Ignorance is truly bliss huh?

#36300115942 12/09/2006 09:59 Re:Hacker Groups...

Yasamuu1 wrote:

I already agreed with you a freefire WILL solve any problems or doubt for that so thanks for that suggestion.
For half of this arguement i think we've had our wires crossed on how the sploit was "done" by the player in question.

/agree

I commend you on running a great tourney, its no ones job to police other players actions in a broken system.

I apologize for getting caught in the middle of this it wasnt my idea and from now on out Ill keep my battles to the street where they belong and anyone that wishes to duel under my conditions.

Theres no sense in continuing something which NONE of us are ABLE to PROVE perhaps I am a sore loser or perhaps he is truly a cheat. Everyone can make their own assumptions. So far Hlew looks like the leader maybe his game has improved 180 degree turn in a matter of weeks, maybe not. Everyone can make their own assumptions I still know what I saw.

#36300115951 12/09/2006 10:13 Re:Hacker Groups...

birmingham wrote:

see ya next week ?

Nope..... actually Im sure Ill see you or one of your alts much sooner Kramer SMILEY