Why the MKT hate?

6 posts · 2006-12-02 18:14:00 to 2007-05-19 12:28:00

#36300110349 12/02/2006 18:14 Why the MKT hate?
I've noticed a lot of vectorites complaining about MKTs lately, "omg get a real tree nub", "MKT is an I-win button", "MKT is overpowered", etc. This time, instead of explaining why MKT isn't OMG teh uber, I'm going to give a couple of advices on how to fight MKTs. Seriously, it's not that hard to beat them.

  • Proxy is one of the best anti-MKT disciplines, simply because the MKT can't immobilize two attackers at the same time. Make sure either you, or your proxy, is close to him all the time so he won't be able to sneak/disguise. Switch between tactics to break his shield and avoid losing yours (i.e. use grab to break his shield and quickly change to block when he attempts to break yours). Utility Master usually works better against MKTs, your goal is to interlock him and let the Simulacrum tear him apart (MKTs are weak against viral attacks). In interlock, MAKE SURE YOU ALWAYS USE GRAB, only switch to power when you do a special, change to power AFTER the special goes through so it does maximum damage.
  • Is relatively easy to kill MKTs as hacker too. Try to keep your shield up at all costs and break his using the previously mentioned technique. You might want to get a load with the auto-hit DoTs and spam as many nukes/logic blasts as you can (they are IS cheap, so IS shouldn't be a problem), with upgrade attacks and speed, these moves will almost always outroll MKTs, specially since Hacker stats give lots Thrown Defense.
  • As MA, you might have a harder time compared to the above builds since MKT is designed to counter interlock builds. However, this doesn't mean you're always going to lose against them. Your best friend is SPEED. With your stats (high belief), hyper speed will give you anything from 30% to 50% movement speed, add Seraphim shoes (25%) to the mix and you will be almost immune to slowing moves. As soon as you see an MKT, switch to grab and try to break his shield. Slowing knives shouldn't be much of a problem. If he roots you, switch to block, he will try to break your shield and miserably fail, after he attempts to break your shield, quickly switch to grab and break his. Remember, he won't throw knives once you're rooted because any type of damage would break the root. In interlock, use grab and switch to power after the specials go through, then quickly switch to grab again. Try not to run out of IS too soon, Prison Mastery Device is your friend.
  • Gunman are in a slightly better position than MAs. If you're a duelist, you might want to use the same approach as MA, you should do better because Duelists' grab is very good, plus you have off-balance specials. As SMGs you should try to get him dazed before interlocking. If you're a rifleman then USE Escape and Evasion at all times, make sure you're never visible. If you see an MKT, proceed to the good ol' rifleman/sniper pwnage: LUtS > Sniper Shot > Free Fire > Crippling > Firearms > Immobilizing > Deadly, etc. 99% of the time you'll either kill them or make them jump all over Megacity. There's no excuse for losing against an MKT if you manage to start up from Concealment with LUtS and SS.
Now the following stuff applies to all classes.

  • DO NOT STOP MOVING. Standing around somewhere is an invitation to a gank. If you want to go AFK, please do so in the loading area. If you want to chat around all day, please go to Recursion or Syntax where you can chat and look cute without worrying about someone punting or sniping you. Makre sure you're always running when you're in PvP areas, if you are not in the mood of moving, please don't PvP or at least don't whine about how overpowered MKTs, riflemen, corpsman, Neo, etc, are. If you see the Disable Evasion in your buffer, HYPER JUMP! don't just move away and then stop because you will get punted! You only have 2.5 seconds, so better be alert.
  • When your shield is down and the MKTs shield is down too, but the latter has disguise on and he's trying to pull a sneak attack on you, SPAM that interlock hotkey, make sure you interlock him as soon as he gets in range. Also, if you do /face he will have a hard time getting behind you (MKTs need to get behind you to do sneak attacks). If your shield is down and the MKT is coming for you with an intact shield and disguise on, switch to block and equip Watchers Shades (45% Sneak Attack detection), you have more chances of blocking his attack than he has of landing it. If you have no problems using dirty trixz in PvP, then you can jump around as he gets in interlock range, he won't be able to interlock you and the disguise will break instead.
  • USE MACROSSS!!!!! I can't stress this enough.  Did you know that you can have 231 Thrown Damage Resistance with just a click? You don't even have to bother with awakened abilities, just make a macro with TD resistance clothes and use it when you're fighting an MKT. Their regular knives will only do 200 damage. DISCLAIMER: Don't tell me that "omg but if you have too much TDR your other resistances will suck, what If I'm fighting an MKT and a gunman", well, no build is supposed to win against two players, specially no in CR2.0, unless you're using some viva la passive code variant.

Remember, MKT and Assassin are the ganking builds, every MMO has them, they're designed to keep the careless players on check. Any build has the potential to beat an MKT, just like MKT has the potential to beat any build. It all comes down to the player. MKT requires a lot tactics, believe it or not. To those skeptics, try leveling from 1-50 with spy.
#36300111014 12/03/2006 16:54 Re:Why the MKT hate?
My ONLY complaint with MKT is that it is the EASIEST tree to force spam that is all.

It wasnt really a problem until they adjusted it months back and it took a supposed nerf but the timers were decreased. Although this "forced spamming" can be replicated with other los MKT is the easiest one to accidentally spam with. I know this myself because until I made a conscious effort to make sure I only hit the button once I usually spamed at least once in every MKT IL session.

Not MKTs fault just the broken system as this can be done with other los, but it does remain the easiest tree for force spammers to take advantage of.


IMAO if people wanna really hate/complain on ANY lo it should be snipers after all its the only lo I know that even when wearing MAX resistance and hyper deflect you will still die in less than 3 hits by a good sniper in less than 6-8 seconds with a purely obscene amount of damage in freefire alone it boggles me to why it still remains this way.


I hear alot of people complain about DOTS the same way as MKT even more, and if they really bothered to take the time to equip themselves properly against it they would see its not an issue at all they are just too lazy to deal with it.

Sniper is a whole nother story, I have res suits for everything and sniper damage is just a total joke. Especially freefire.


#36300112778 12/05/2006 18:31 Re:Why the MKT hate?
birmingham wrote:

EEeeeeerm i dont think ive EVER spam'd a roll with mkt..................................


Guess your too busy spamming the forums with your useless drivvle

Seriously there should be some restrictions on how many useless posts you are allowed to make in one day.

Why do you feel the need to post in every section of the Vector forums whenever you log in? Just curious and quite frankly Im quite tired of sifting through it.
#36300240310 05/19/2007 04:24 Re:Why the MKT hate?

Personally I'd like to see something done with Staggering Throw, the damage dealt is way too high for a special with such a short cast timer and seeing as it has that nasty 50% chance to Stagger thrown in, you can expect to be hit with a Powerless inducing Throat Cutting Throw and a Ki-Sweeep or Full-Auto afterwards. As much as I love my knives if ever there was a ''win'' button in MxO it would seem the MKT behind you using Staggering Throw would be it.

Sort that, and we sort half the problem, IMO.

(I thaught this thread was deleted ages ago? o.O)

#36300240565 05/19/2007 12:28 Re:Why the MKT hate?

Nah, leave the Double Deadly Throw as it is, it's allways a laugh havin' someone accuse you of exploiting then laughing at them as they read the ability description. SMILEY