Wooden Stakes, Holy Water, Silver Bullets and You.

Oddly enough I would never have thought to use them in pvp I always considered them specific to the enemies there are related to ..... in fact I cant recall using them in pve, as a merov myself they never struck me as appropriate.... However I wouldnt want to see them removed form pvp as they support a form of valid rp, what should be the case is that for players they work purely as animations in place of your typical style attacks, ie offer no advantage/disadvantage over a simple power attack..job done?

These items are great in PvE when your killing something that takes high damage from them, i.e Garygoyle = Stakes etc

However they outroll almost anything and in PvP are highly overpowered.

I am absolutely looking forward to how anyone can justify these being used in player vs player fights (as much as you carebears think you're killing vampires, you're not).

Easy solution, make the reuse timer a little more substantial.

Way, way too many problems with timers in CR2. They really need to be addressed.

lol i hate when people use these on me constantly *COUGH* DEVILJONNY *COUGH*

But yeah in PVE they are handy in PVP they can be brutal if used correctly.

To me these things are like health pills, tactic boosters, etc in pvp, very frowned upon in general.

Tenshi wrote:

To me these things are like health pills, tactic boosters, etc in pvp, very frowned upon in general.

Ok hold on. Wow. I can't believe I just read that.

Lemmie tell you, if I have them, I'll eat the f***n pharmacy before I die.

 I'm not into pvp that much yet but in duels... I hate em as hell ... same as mobius code...

The question is: Would there be a way of disabling them in PvP ??

I'll use Silver Bullets and/or Stakes in PvP when my IS is completely drained.  Anything to stay, I say. 

Should they have a reuse timer?  Maybe.  They never have before though, so don't blame it on CR2. 

I agree with the Angel.

If you want a clean fight, have a duel.

PvP is a completly different world. People who take pills, TB's, Anti's, boosters, inhalers even use stakes, holy water and silver bullets are in my opinion, prepared. If you don't think it's right for people to use the consumable items put in the game for that very reason then don't flag.

The tide of PvP can swing around in seconds, if you're winning then suddenly losing, take consumables. I know I don't PvP to get killed, and if I'm getting killed I'll take whatever is on hand at the time. If I happen to have a stake or two from random lootz (that I havn't sold) expect to find it lodged in your chest.

I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush, I'm going from the gut (kudos if you get that joke), and my gut tells me consumable tools (not to be mistaken with consumable pills) truly do not have a place in PvP. Also, circular arguments, "if they're using them, so should you" isn't the best way to prove your point.
Example:
Lets escalate that argument to the extreme. You jack in one day and see a massive pvp fight. Everyone has managed in one way or another to get into an interlock situation (again, this is hypothetical). Rather than see the usual barrage of knives, extreme falling kicks and dual pistol executions, all you see are silver bullets, wooden stakes and holy water, every round, every one using them. Stop for a moment and picture that, close your eyes, let it sink in.

If that image appeals to you, please post here and show it proudly and loudly.

For the rest of us, please post how disgusted you are with that image.

I'm digusted.

I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush

Dagonet wrote:

I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush, I'm going from the gut (kudos if you get that joke), and my gut tells me consumable tools (not to be mistaken with consumable pills) truly do not have a place in PvP. Also, circular arguments, "if they're using them, so should you" isn't the best way to prove your point.
Example:
Lets escalate that argument to the extreme. You jack in one day and see a massive pvp fight. Everyone has managed in one way or another to get into an interlock situation (again, this is hypothetical). Rather than see the usual barrage of knives, extreme falling kicks and dual pistol executions, all you see are silver bullets, wooden stakes and holy water, every round, every one using them. Stop for a moment and picture that, close your eyes, let it sink in.

If that image appeals to you, please post here and show it proudly and loudly.

For the rest of us, please post how disgusted you are with that image.

I'm digusted.

QFE. I'd rather die then use some consumable weapon. I'd definitely be disgusted if I jacked in one day and all I saw was the spamming of silver bullets.

You really don't have any reason to be disgusted, it's a game, it's a combat stuation, everyone has the same ability to use the same tools if they have met the same challenges. It's not a good idea to call a linear argument circular. It makes it sound like you are using the term circular argument to discredit a perfectly logical  statement. If your opponent has an advantage over you that you are reasonable able to also gain, then it follows that good sense would dictate that you go and aquire the same advantage to level the playing field.

 That is why it's okay to use them, because everyone is able to get them equally, it's a fair system if maybe a little over-powered, but it's over-powered for everyone. Just because you don't like the way it looks or concept from an RP POV is really beside the point, don't get so upset over something so superficial, go get some of them yourself and balance the playing field for a while THEN make a determination as to where they should be used and how.

This is hardly a moral dilema.

This is hardly a moral dilema.

Hey folks, just thought I`d give my thoughts on this....

Consumables like health pills / anti`s / inhalers in pvp are all fair game, I do use them regularly when I pvp altho tend not to resort to them in a 1 on 1 duel..I`m one of those who will go farming and spend the info to have them at my disposal, no one should be crying about people using these types of consumables in pvp because thats what there purpose in mxo is, to help swing the fight your way.

Somone said about the tigermasters Gi making the same effect as the tb`s,, yes it does, but by no means would I ever not wear it (tho i dont anyway) just because you say so and cant tell the diference between its effect and a tb`s effect, thats a very unfair remark in my opinion, if you want to fight on your own grounds from the start I suggest you find another game to play like an fps because pvp/duels are all about "making" the fight your ground and using any means available to get it there.

Now onto the original topic this thread was created for...

Stakes, silver bullets and holy water is somthing I rarely see on syntax anyway in pvp, I`ve noted the odd hacker maybe using one or two to attempt to gain back a little IS for there next attack but thats it, somone said that they couldnt do anything against somone spamming these consumables,, did you think about rolling out? coz that works against them...

I do see the problem with spamming them tho but again I would simply roll out and barriage the opponent in freefire, every action in mxo has a negative side you just need to learn how to use it to your advantage...

So to alter them for the better theres really only two choices to go for because removing them is a great big no no,,,

1: increase the re-use timer on the items to around 30 to 60 seconds,, as most duels/pvp fights are done and dusted within a minute (specially when theres zergs about) (if your dueling and the person starts spamming them end the duel and refuse to fight unless they stop spamming them, sooner or later they`ll get the message)

2: make them npc only attacks, meaning they cannot be used on players...

Personally I actually wouldnt bother changing them in the slightest, i think there fine just the way they are.

Now onto the original topic this thread was created for...

Stakes, silver bullets and holy water is somthing I rarely see on syntax anyway in pvp, I`ve noted the odd hacker maybe using one or two to attempt to gain back a little IS for there next attack but thats it, somone said that they couldnt do anything against somone spamming these consumables,, did you think about rolling out? coz that works against them...

I do see the problem with spamming them tho but again I would simply roll out and barriage the opponent in freefire, every action in mxo has a negative side you just need to learn how to use it to your advantage...

So to alter them for the better theres really only two choices to go for because removing them is a great big no no,,,

1: increase the re-use timer on the items to around 30 to 60 seconds,, as most duels/pvp fights are done and dusted within a minute (specially when theres zergs about) (if your dueling and the person starts spamming them end the duel and refuse to fight unless they stop spamming them, sooner or later they`ll get the message)

2: make them npc only attacks, meaning they cannot be used on players...

Personally I actually wouldnt bother changing them in the slightest, i think there fine just the way they are.

Calm down lets not get into a fit of personalized attacks that get the thread closed or something.

Now, I don't want to see a mass of people pvping with only spam weapons, that kinda makes the game monotonous. I agree that some small adjustment like a re-use timer and more appropriate rolls would be reasonable.

I like the variety we have in MxO and seeing everyone reduced to consumable weapons all the time would be sad.

Get some consumables yourself!
Level your OWN playing field!

A game called "Graal" is a MMORPG that has been around for more than 10 years. It is a game that basically is set up so that if you can click as fast, or faster than another player in PvP, you win!  The same is true with consumables in this game. Get yourself a few stacks of them and have a click-war with your opponents. No need to re-adjust timers, or nerf them. And please quit complaining about it. Just get some and use them when necessary. You know, when you're loosing. If the entire PvP session is a consumable-war, then the one that clicks their mouse faster and/or has more consumables wins! Too bad if you're the one who gets pwned. Get some consumables and quit getting pwned. If you keep getting pwned, get yourself a better mouse so that you can click faster than the other guy. Problem solved.

Please stop asking the Devs to nerf abilities. Don't you think enough has been nerfed in this game already?  

And, please don't bring the "ethics" of PvP into this either. Use whatever you have at your disposal to keep yourself alive, just like Real Life. You can't convince me that if a person who wasn't a vampire was attacking you that you wouldn't use a wooden stake if it was your only means of defense. Right, I didn't think so.

So, go get some Consumable Subroutines, and make yourself some weapons!
See you on the battlefield. (Hopefully, after you get a better mouse!)

First of all, enough being "nerfed" in this game is not a reason to not "nerf" something that is overpowered.

Correct me if im wrong, aren't wooden stakes supposed to do mass damage to vampires, silver bullets to lupines and holy water to vamps also. There are perfectly reasonable ways to use these and get 400+ damage a round, and with a good stack of them you can easily spam them through enough rounds to win. Thats hardly fair because it pretty much undermines the whole combat system.

They should at least either have a longer re-use timer or they should have the rolls changed.

PlugAndPlay wrote:

Get some consumables yourself!
Level your OWN playing field!

A game called "Graal" is a MMORPG that has been around for more than 10 years. It is a game that basically is set up so that if you can click as fast, or faster than another player in PvP, you win!  The same is true with consumables in this game. Get yourself a few stacks of them and have a click-war with your opponents. No need to re-adjust timers, or nerf them. And please quit complaining about it. Just get some and use them when necessary. You know, when you're loosing. If the entire PvP session is a consumable-war, then the one that clicks their mouse faster and/or has more consumables wins! Too bad if you're the one who gets pwned. Get some consumables and quit getting pwned. If you keep getting pwned, get yourself a better mouse so that you can click faster than the other guy. Problem solved.

Please stop asking the Devs to nerf abilities. Don't you think enough has been nerfed in this game already?  

And, please don't bring the "ethics" of PvP into this either. Use whatever you have at your disposal to keep yourself alive, just like Real Life. You can't convince me that if a person who wasn't a vampire was attacking you that you wouldn't use a wooden stake if it was your only means of defense. Right, I didn't think so.

So, go get some Consumable Subroutines, and make yourself some weapons!
See you on the battlefield. (Hopefully, after you get a better mouse!)

First of all, enough being "nerfed" in this game is not a reason to not "nerf" something that is overpowered.

Correct me if im wrong, aren't wooden stakes supposed to do mass damage to vampires, silver bullets to lupines and holy water to vamps also. There are perfectly reasonable ways to use these and get 400+ damage a round, and with a good stack of them you can easily spam them through enough rounds to win. Thats hardly fair because it pretty much undermines the whole combat system.

They should at least either have a longer re-use timer or they should have the rolls changed.

Yeah this system isn't designed to be a quick click combat system. It's centered around strategic load-outs and their uses. Consumables are meant to aid and assist not consume the system. For the moment the best advice probably is to go get some stakes and use them.

However, it would be best if the weapons were brought into balance with the rest of the game. Bottom line here is that we aren't nerfing the weapons, they are already nerf'd they need to be fixed.

However they outroll almost anything and in PvP are highly overpowered.

 Absolutely!!  Who remembers the recursion incursion of vector, where the level 10s would interlock 50's and SPAM the stakes etc and always win.

  They should ONLY have a ct bonus against their intended target, as well as the damage bonus.

One damage to players, low rolls against players.

Very much needed.

I asked NoRepro about this specifically, he said he didn't feel they were a problem. However as much as I have tried to accept the fact that there are people out there with pages filled with these consumables, I cannot take it anymore.
Aside from the fact that they can do a decent amount of damage to you and outroll you nearly every time, they also imbalance a fight by allowing the other person to recover IS/HP, wait for backup, or just beat you when I know they would otherwise lose.

I don't want to see these in PvP or duels anymore, ever.

I am absolutely looking forward to how anyone can justify these being used in player vs player fights (as much as you carebears think you're killing vampires, you're not).

Dagonet wrote:

I asked NoRepro about this specifically, he said he didn't feel they were a problem. However as much as I have tried to accept the fact that there are people out there with pages filled with these consumables, I cannot take it anymore.
Aside from the fact that they can do a decent amount of damage to you and outroll you nearly every time, they also imbalance a fight by allowing the other person to recover IS/HP, wait for backup, or just beat you when I know they would otherwise lose.

I don't want to see these in PvP or duels anymore, ever.

I am absolutely looking forward to how anyone can justify these being used in player vs player fights (as much as you carebears think you're killing vampires, you're not).

I have absolutely no problem with these items. If they got a reuse timer put on them, so be it. Infact, onetime during a tournament I was paired up with someone I couldn't EVER beat (Misfit), and using those I was able to win, AS SUCH IS THE GAME ALLOWS.

Roukan wrote:

Dagonet wrote:

I asked NoRepro about this specifically, he said he didn't feel they were a problem. However as much as I have tried to accept the fact that there are people out there with pages filled with these consumables, I cannot take it anymore.
Aside from the fact that they can do a decent amount of damage to you and outroll you nearly every time, they also imbalance a fight by allowing the other person to recover IS/HP, wait for backup, or just beat you when I know they would otherwise lose.

I don't want to see these in PvP or duels anymore, ever.

I am absolutely looking forward to how anyone can justify these being used in player vs player fights (as much as you carebears think you're killing vampires, you're not).

I have absolutely no problem with these items. If they got a reuse timer put on them, so be it. Infact, onetime during a tournament I was paired up with someone I couldn't EVER beat (Misfit), and using those I was able to win, AS SUCH IS THE GAME ALLOWS.

Roukan, you were able to win because you can't outroll them, thus why this thread was created. Obviously this is a problem.