RPing pregnancy - MXO Forum Archive

#36300326550 09/21/2007 06:58:13 Re:RPing pregnancy

AkemMachine wrote:

It is scary that people like yourselves vote or will soon be able to. Im glad the future is in the hands of those who like to pretend they are pregnant in a goofy *CENSORED* game.

-PS: God Bless Fonzi

:: Shrug:: It is or was, depending on how this plays out, part of my character's storyline. We'll see where it goes. For that matter, this *is* a massive multiplayer online role-playing game, and I'm playing the role of a gal who wants to bring life into a world that's a little short on life.

#36300326614 09/21/2007 10:56:45 Re:RPing pregnancy

AkemMachine wrote:

It is scary that people like yourselves vote or will soon be able to. Im glad the future is in the hands of those who like to pretend they are pregnant in a goofy *CENSORED* game.

Bigotry. It's what's for dinner.

#36300326693 09/21/2007 14:00:44 Re:RPing pregnancy

Chemuel wrote:

AkemMachine wrote:
It is scary that people like yourselves vote or will soon be able to. Im glad the future is in the hands of those who like to pretend they are pregnant in a goofy *CENSORED* game.
Bigotry. It's what's for dinner.

You tell 'em, Chem.

For that matter, things being what they are in the main storyline, with the Truce being broken which would make it challenging to swipe some of the Machines' technology (ie. a stalk from one of the fields), it looks like my gal might have to rely on the, ah, old-fashioned home-grown method, possibly retro-fitting the wee one with jacks when he's around, say, seven or so. Unfortunately, I am not looking for any donors for our gal.

#36300326883 09/22/2007 00:36:10 Re:RPing pregnancy

MatrixRefugee wrote:

Chemuel wrote:
AkemMachine wrote:
It is scary that people like yourselves vote or will soon be able to. Im glad the future is in the hands of those who like to pretend they are pregnant in a goofy *CENSORED* game.
Bigotry. It's what's for dinner.
You tell 'em, Chem.
For that matter, things being what they are in the main storyline, with the Truce being broken which would make it challenging to swipe some of the Machines' technology (ie. a stalk from one of the fields), it looks like my gal might have to rely on the, ah, old-fashioned home-grown method, possibly retro-fitting the wee one with jacks when he's around, say, seven or so. Unfortunately, I am not looking for any donors for our gal.

OMG! plz stop! lol

#36300326981 09/22/2007 08:04:08 Re:RPing pregnancy

Careful. This is getting dangerously close to flames.

Please refrain from making personal attacks or responding to baiting.

#36300327121 09/22/2007 13:48:25 Re:RPing pregnancy

There's moderation over here?!

#36300327546 09/23/2007 10:45:29 Re:RPing pregnancy

I wouldn't see why not? If that is the storyline someone wants to play then let them. Freeborn humans probly came from pod humans in the firstplace. That's one of the ways Zion gets populated. A pod born human who gave birth to a freeborn - the freeborn human child would not have the "holes" the pod born human parents do.

And programs in the matrix apparently can reproduce almost the same way as ppl do. How did Sati came to be? Anyone remember her parents in Revolutions? They made the deal with the Merovingian to protect her from deletion. While sacrificing themselves for the life of their daughter. Most programs are made the traditional way be being written. But sometimes they reproduce in a more human fassion. Only the robots themselves do not "birth" babies.

If someone wants to simulate pregancy for their story then they are free to do so - as I see it. I don't let my personal views interfear with someone else's philosophy or personal desires to have children. I am one who cannot have kids and doesn't want kids. But lots of ppl do - and it is great that they would like to have children - possibly in reality someday. It is NOT "gross" or disgusting. It is a natural process and desire for most ppl.

So let them be and let them have fun with their RP story. Nobody is forcing anybody to participate in their personal storyline if they don't want to.

#36300328022 09/23/2007 22:56:57 Re:RPing pregnancy

Ghostwise wrote:

There's moderation over here?!

It's...

everywhere. :O

On topic though, preggers people are hard to roleplay. :O Especially in a fictional world.

#36300329500 09/26/2007 20:49:44 Re:RPing pregnancy

MatrixRefugee wrote:

AkemMachine wrote:
It is scary that people like yourselves vote or will soon be able to. Im glad the future is in the hands of those who like to pretend they are pregnant in a goofy *CENSORED* game.

-PS: God Bless Fonzi

:: Shrug:: It is or was, depending on how this plays out, part of my character's storyline. We'll see where it goes. For that matter, this *is* a massive multiplayer online role-playing game, and I'm playing the role of a gal who wants to bring life into a world that's a little short on life.

Does that mean she's a prostitute... on a mission?

#36300329535 09/26/2007 22:15:28 Re:RPing pregnancy

ArkDarker wrote:

MatrixRefugee wrote:
AkemMachine wrote:
It is scary that people like yourselves vote or will soon be able to. Im glad the future is in the hands of those who like to pretend they are pregnant in a goofy *CENSORED* game.

-PS: God Bless Fonzi

:: Shrug:: It is or was, depending on how this plays out, part of my character's storyline. We'll see where it goes. For that matter, this *is* a massive multiplayer online role-playing game, and I'm playing the role of a gal who wants to bring life into a world that's a little short on life.

Does that mean she's a prostitute... on a mission?

Nope, she just wants a kid to call her own, and if there's one thing the Matrix-universe could use as a contrast to all it's darkness and double-crossing, it's the innocence of a well-brought-up kid or two.

#36300329976 09/27/2007 21:14:57 Re:RPing pregnancy

If fleshborn humans could Jack In, I think they might have figured it out by now. They've never shown a fleshborn human within the simulation ever. I think it's just as inane as the roleplayer who explains, through their character, that "I've traveled all over the world and it's not all dead. There's plants and animals growing in the Real." Hovercrafts simply don't have the range to venture off so far from Zion.

Some things would just be common sense based off of the canon, imo.

Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.

#36300330009 09/27/2007 23:18:00 Re:RPing pregnancy

Zerotolerance wrote:

If fleshborn humans could Jack In, I think they might have figured it out by now. They've never shown a fleshborn human within the simulation ever. I think it's just as inane as the roleplayer who explains, through their character, that "I've traveled all over the world and it's not all dead. There's plants and animals growing in the Real." Hovercrafts simply don't have the range to venture off so far from Zion.

Some things would just be common sense based off of the canon, imo.

I've known some folks to RP Freeborns who had cranial jacks implanted in them in order to enter the Matrix. As far as the surface world is concerned, I believe you are correct in assuming that your average hovercraft would have limited range away from Zion. However, that's not to say that there isn't alternatives to that standard that would allow long range travel.

Here's a little taste of my RP:
I command a Hovercraft Carrier (CHv Cerberus) that served as a mobile dock for the exile operative faction hovercrafts since we could neither take refuge in Zion nor the machine city. We then used the Cerberus to carry our hovercrafts a good distance away from the tunnels and machine city, where we began constructing Abaddon, a surface/below surface settlement built within a ruined mega-city, overgrown with vegetation.

We simply used the movies, Animatrix, and The Miller's Tale as references and not hindrances. I guess it all depends on how much you are willing to limit your RP. There's plenty of ways to RP out of the box and be creative based on canon.

So, back on topic...
What do you think of someone RPing as a pregnant Cypherite? Seein' as how the Cyph philosophy leans towards remaining in the system, how would they perceive the freeborn? You'd think they'd terminate the pregnancy so as not to expose new human life to the horrors of the real world, right?

heh heh

#36300330298 09/28/2007 15:50:34 Re:RPing pregnancy

Zerotolerance wrote:

Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.

Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.

As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.

#36300344605 10/29/2007 10:11:03 Re:RPing pregnancy

MatrixRefugee wrote:

Zerotolerance wrote:
Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.
Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.
As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.

Yeah, Cranial Jacks don't seem to stray too far from Canon since it's perceivable that humans have some knowledge of the method of their imprisonment. After all, still living humans - some adults - were implanted into the first Matrix. I'd have to think that anyone RPing a Cypherite would be against bringing a child into a world that they're against in the first place. This beckons the question: How is population regulated within the Matrix if two humans were to have a child within it? Is the child that results, effectively just a being compiled from the mother and father's genetic makeup and plopped into another pod? Or is it completely random? When someone says "That person isn't really your Mother." or "That isn't really your brother." - I'd think that would be incorrect - seeing how they'd inevitably look like each other to an extent - thus signifying the use of the same genetic material.

Ideas?

#36300352645 11/13/2007 18:37:11 Re:RPing pregnancy

Marias wrote:

MatrixRefugee wrote:
Zerotolerance wrote:
Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.
Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.
As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.
Yeah, Cranial Jacks don't seem to stray too far from Canon since it's perceivable that humans have some knowledge of the method of their imprisonment. After all, still living humans - some adults - were implanted into the first Matrix. I'd have to think that anyone RPing a Cypherite would be against bringing a child into a world that they're against in the first place. This beckons the question: How is population regulated within the Matrix if two humans were to have a child within it? Is the child that results, effectively just a being compiled from the mother and father's genetic makeup and plopped into another pod? Or is it completely random? When someone says "That person isn't really your Mother." or "That isn't really your brother." - I'd think that would be incorrect - seeing how they'd inevitably look like each other to an extent - thus signifying the use of the same genetic material.

Ideas?

...anyone?

#36300352671 11/13/2007 19:58:14 Re:RPing pregnancy

Marias wrote:

Marias wrote:
MatrixRefugee wrote:
Zerotolerance wrote:
Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.
Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.
As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.
Yeah, Cranial Jacks don't seem to stray too far from Canon since it's perceivable that humans have some knowledge of the method of their imprisonment. After all, still living humans - some adults - were implanted into the first Matrix. I'd have to think that anyone RPing a Cypherite would be against bringing a child into a world that they're against in the first place. This beckons the question: How is population regulated within the Matrix if two humans were to have a child within it? Is the child that results, effectively just a being compiled from the mother and father's genetic makeup and plopped into another pod? Or is it completely random? When someone says "That person isn't really your Mother." or "That isn't really your brother." - I'd think that would be incorrect - seeing how they'd inevitably look like each other to an extent - thus signifying the use of the same genetic material.

Ideas?
...anyone?

I have a feeling that the Machines tend to be somewhat random about what mind is connected to what body. Case in point, the bit in the missions involving Morpheus's past, which mentions a woman who was born a man in the Matrix, which is often assumed to refer to Switch, the androgynous blonde woman in the first movie. A child might have the right characteristics to match the family -- ie, physical characteristics, etc -- but not come from the same genetic line as the people whom that child identifies as their parents.

#36300352748 11/14/2007 01:10:44 Re:RPing pregnancy

In response to the idea of pregnancy, this is my take on it (mind you just my opinion). I don't think it is so much an issue if a baby can be conceived in the Real (cause then the child is a "freeborn" SMILEY

because that of course is possible and there is evidence to support that. The problem is could their be an RSI version of the unborn baby in the operative's RSI. Simple answer is "no" , reasons being is because every Redpill needs a cranial jack to enter the Matrix where the unborn child has no real connection to the Matrix, even though the mother does. I would think that the mother would suffer no adverse effects (pregnancy wise) being in the Matrix . Yes in the Real she would grow a belly , but in the Matrix she wouldn't have one.

This I believe would hold true from the reverse. If the mother and father decided they were going to "do the deed" in the Matrix and the act was completed (trying to not get graphical but I think everyone can get the idea). Then her pregnancy in the Matrix wouldn't carry over to the Real, reasons being is because even though her RSI egg was fertilized in the Matrix, it wouldn't carry over to her real body (also the fact that she is a Redpill has alot to do with it).

Just because your mind makes it real the body couldn't impregnate itself (well in this case the human species). Getting cut , bullet wounds, broken bones and whatnot is possible, but pregnancy that carries over from the Matrix is an entirely different thing.

A suggestion though, it is entirely possible to rp the effects of when you jack in and out! For example you head to the chair , jack in the Matrix and the belly you were carrying around in the Real that was getting in the way is gone. The reverse would hold true when you jack out.

As far as delivering a baby in the Matrix as a Redpill, sorry but no I don't think it's possible. For Blue Pill or Exile yes because they are the "permanent residents" of the Matrix, but not us "visitors".

#36300352761 11/14/2007 02:12:29 Re:RPing pregnancy

I think that if pregnant in the real, the womans RSI would, except in the case of some exceptionally disciplined women, reflect the body's changes. Their mind would change their RSI. I understand the point above that the foetus wouldn't have it's own mind but it is the RSI of the woman not the baby creating it.

If for some reason the redpill were to give birth while still jacked in then just before or during labour the simulation would want to change the reference of the child RSI to the childs pod which is obviously impossible. The result would be a stillborn child inside the simulation (as it has no point of reference for instinct and mind) but outside it could be alive and hopefully, as healthy as anything.

I've always thought that when, as a young child, you start to gain awareness of yourself and your surroundings and memories start, that is when the childs jack starts performing as it should, until then the RSI of the child is just funtioning on instinct from the childs brain.

I agree with the point that if two redpills were going at it inside the simulation, then no pregnancy can occur as there would be no real physical exchange of fluids. Probably the ultimate form of safe sex... as long as they aren't flagged!

#36300352818 11/14/2007 06:16:29 Re:RPing pregnancy

One other question comes to mind and I am sure it was asked before but wouldn't there be some directive against having a pregnate woman running around in the Matrix doing missions? Regardless of org loyalties I don't think any Captain is gonna allow a pregnate woman to put herself in that much danger. I know this is splitting hairs but I was curious about how that is handled (rp wise).

#36300352828 11/14/2007 06:27:50 Re:RPing pregnancy

CrimsonKiller01 wrote:

One other question comes to mind and I am sure it was asked before but wouldn't there be some directive against having a pregnate woman running around in the Matrix doing missions? Regardless of org loyalties I don't think any Captain is gonna allow a pregnate woman to put herself in that much danger. I know this is splitting hairs but I was curious about how that is handled (rp wise).

I guess that would be up to the type of persons that both the woman and the captain are (the woman could be the captain) Naturally most Orgs would have rules set down about this but when it comes to the crunch they may decide that her presence is vital to mission success...

As long as the woman's mind doesn't think that there has been some trauma to her body, the real baby should be unaffected. If her mind says that she's been shot in the stomach.. there is a real danger to the child. Recon missions and non-combat missions would be fine I would say.

#36300352910 11/14/2007 09:01:22 Re:RPing pregnancy

I see alot of recon missions at about 3am to the local grocery for ice cream and pickles (chuckles)

#36300353060 11/14/2007 12:47:34 Re:RPing pregnancy

Vinia wrote:

I think that if pregnant in the real, the womans RSI would, except in the case of some exceptionally disciplined women, reflect the body's changes. Their mind would change their RSI. I understand the point above that the foetus wouldn't have it's own mind but it is the RSI of the woman not the baby creating it.
Mm, especially my girl as a case in point: she's disciplined, but she has her moments when she lets her guard down, usually inadvertantly; case in point when she got hit with a sentient toxin and wasn't able to dislodge it herself and ended up having a code-eating Exile coded into her mind to stop it's spread. I could see her wind up letting her guard down enough that she winds up "showing" while she's jacked in, especially late in the pregnancy, ie. the "I'm sick of being pregnant" stage (I had a co-worker who, while she loved having kids and even enjoyed being pregnant, got to the point in her last month when she was really, really looking forward to her son being born).
If for some reason the redpill were to give birth while still jacked in then just before or during labour the simulation would want to change the reference of the child RSI to the childs pod which is obviously impossible. The result would be a stillborn child inside the simulation (as it has no point of reference for instinct and mind) but outside it could be alive and hopefully, as healthy as anything.
Knowing my gal, I could see her maintaining business as usual -- since she's a crew captain and co-commander of a faction -- right up to the time she actually gives birth, maybe even doing something like the Empress Maria Theresa of Austria (Marie Antoinette's mom) and attending to matters of state right up to the moment her daughter was actually being born. This could make for an interesting, dramatically-comedic story where she's trying to find an exit and some Bluepill women, noticing she's beyond the point of "any minute now", try taking her to a hospital.
I've always thought that when, as a young child, you start to gain awareness of yourself and your surroundings and memories start, that is when the childs jack starts performing as it should, until then the RSI of the child is just funtioning on instinct from the childs brain.
Which brings me to a theory I've had since reading the Matrix Comic "Morning Sickness", where a Redpill woman takes a foetus off a stalk out in the fields. I don't know if this was intentional or a gaffe on the part of the artist who drew the artwork for the comic, but the foetuses look pretty good-sized. I'd say they look bigger than a newborn, maybe the size of a three-month old baby, thereabouts. It might happen that the Machines wait till the baby is a certain size that's easy for them to harvest/plug into the power plant, etc. and this might explain why a baby's awareness of the world around them beyond their mother, food, warmth, etc. doesn't really start until a few months after birth.
I agree with the point that if two redpills were going at it inside the simulation, then no pregnancy can occur as there would be no real physical exchange of fluids. Probably the ultimate form of safe sex... as long as they aren't flagged!
:: Laughs:: One argument in favor of "cybering"; and mind you, I really don't care *what* people RP in that regard, as long as they're both consenting to it, they do it in a private chat of some sort and they aren't doing it, say, smack in Camon Central on a busy night.

#36300353063 11/14/2007 12:49:36 Re:RPing pregnancy

CrimsonKiller01 wrote:

I see alot of recon missions at about 3am to the local grocery for ice cream and pickles (chuckles)

:: Laughs:: Or raisins and chunky peanut butter. I had another co-worker who had cravings for raisins mixed in chunky peanut butter when she was expecting.

#36300356888 11/21/2007 14:42:53 Re:RPing pregnancy

(I'm sorry, it's late and I've skipped a couple of pages, so if I've repeated a point that's already been made, feel free to slap me, this is just too interesting not to comment on.)

I can't help but wonder how effective an EJP would be while pregnant, after all, it's designed to activate the moment a person would die within the simulation. Would it have to be altered to help protect the child as well? I think that it would be a major issue for any mother to be as a child's development in a very delicate process, and so any damage could be critical.

Also, as a point of interest, I don't believe that it's possible to become pregnant in the real after intercourse within the simulation, I used to believe it was possible, but now that I think about it, wasn't Persephone's original purpose to stimulate the human reproductive organs? It was a while ago, but I believe something was said about needing to take the two.. we'll say "componants," required, and mix them in a seperate location. This would imply that when the event takes place in the situation the placibo effect is not strong enough to actually make someone pregnant.

The mind may very well try to "make it real," but if it's too much effort for a human with complete faith in the reality of the simulation to actually become pregnant on her own, then no ammount of mental dicipline would be able to help someone who has had the truth revealed.

#36300356900 11/21/2007 14:55:43 Re:RPing pregnancy

The real child wouldn't be jacked in so wouldn't need the benefit of an EJP, however... the issue of the woman's body reacting under the physical stresses that happen under an EJP situation, may very well be damaging to the real child. Hence the reason why any reasonable Captain, Faction, Organisation would have, or would make, rules for the situation probably restricting missions and activities to non-potentially hostile situations or just prohibiting access completely.

#36300356912 11/21/2007 15:13:17 Re:RPing pregnancy

Ben1991 wrote:

(I'm sorry, it's late and I've skipped a couple of pages, so if I've repeated a point that's already been made, feel free to slap me, this is just too interesting not to comment on.)
I can't help but wonder how effective an EJP would be while pregnant, after all, it's designed to activate the moment a person would die within the simulation. Would it have to be altered to help protect the child as well? I think that it would be a major issue for any mother to be as a child's development in a very delicate process, and so any damage could be critical.
I doubt it would affect the baby much, since the wee one's nervous system is independant of the mother's and thus, it wouldn't have to be tinkered with to protect the child. If the mom's okay, the baby will be as well, most likely. However, since the baby shares the mother's bloodstream, increased adrenalin levels due to stress, etc. will probably affect the baby somehow. I'm still researching this and pursuing every angle possible.
Also, as a point of interest, I don't believe that it's possible to become pregnant in the real after intercourse within the simulation, I used to believe it was possible, but now that I think about it, wasn't Persephone's original purpose to stimulate the human reproductive organs? It was a while ago, but I believe something was said about needing to take the two.. we'll say "componants," required, and mix them in a seperate location. This would imply that when the event takes place in the situation the placibo effect is not strong enough to actually make someone pregnant.
Mm, this was discussed a little bit a couple pages back, and the matter of how the Machines keep their crops going was a major component of the Merv missions for... 8.2, if I remember correctly, but it's worth bringing up and I welcome your take on it!
The mind may very well try to "make it real," but if it's too much effort for a human with complete faith in the reality of the simulation to actually become pregnant on her own, then no ammount of mental dicipline would be able to help someone who has had the truth revealed.
Oh, I don't doubt the Machines wouldn't allow for this sort of thing to happen in a Bluepill, since it just wouldn't be efficient. There again, there *is* a rare real-world condition known as false pregnancy, where a woman's body -- usually due to a hormone imbalance or the woman is so dead set on having a baby that her brain tricks her body into thinking its pregnant -- will mimic some of the "symptoms" of pregnancy: menstrual cycle goes on "pause", mood swings, morning sickness, wonky hormones; there's a few rare cases where they've even gained weight, especially around the middle. Of course, there isn't a baby growing inside her, but this is close to what I think you have in mind, and it could be construed as a real-world example of your mind making something real.

#36300356960 11/21/2007 17:49:15 RPing pregnancy

Below are random thoughts I had about "Where do pod babies come from."

I have always randomly thought, dunno if its the case, but intercourse in the simulation could call certain programs, maybe one that reads a random amount of DNA from the male, and sends it for injection to the female in form of a virus. (After a random generator calculates "the odds" SMILEY

" />. The body can produce odd cancer cells, so why can't a subliminal program be downloaded (containing the DNA) to the female to make a real bio virus that modifies the egg.

Also another thought, is that I doubt a person defecates in their own pod, and there are "collectors" on them. Its possible a program could monitor when a woman is menstruating or a guy is ejaculating, and the collector saves the various organic matter. The organic matter could be sent to the fields to grow multiple newborns, or combined for conception between the two adults.

Women are born with all the eggs they'll ever have if I recall. The eggs could also be stored and fertilized later by the *CENSORED* collected from the male, making it random.

Thus ends my crazy random ideas.

#36300356973 11/21/2007 18:27:00 Re:RPing pregnancy

Just looking at Neo's state when freed from his pod, I doubt that bluepills still in their pods would be able to successfully carry babies, as it would be far less efficient than harvesting eggs and sperm and growing the child in their own pod (which would act like an artificial womb). It doesn't make sense for the machines to possess the technology to hack human brains directly, yet be unable to surgically remove their reproductive materials.

Intercourse in the Matrix would NOT make someone pregnant in the Real - there's simply a lack of needed genetic information being exchanged. Just because you have access to a digital form of the data does not mean that your body can replicate something it could never naturally produce in the first place - two "Real" people are needed to have a "Real" child.

My guess is that normally, when a couple conceives a child in the Matrix, the machines harvest their genetic material from their pods and create a child, which is then "born" to them in the Matrix. This would account for the facts that people's RSIs look like themselves, and children look like their parents - the child's genetic information MUST come from the two parents (barring extraordinary cases where the Machines get the process mixed up and the 'wrong' child is born with a different identity - which I believe happened in one of the comics).

In the case of redpill parents, if one has an absolute belief in being pregnant, without the ability to 'donate' genetic material to the Machines, it is possible that the System might do what it does best, and adapt to account for the inconsistency - in this case, a child would be digitally created from the material of the parents, yet would not have a corresponding form in the Real - in essence, the child would be a Machine program created with the purpose of keeping the System running smoothly. This is, however, a bit of a stretch, as it would be far more efficient simply to simulate a failed pregnancy even in the most extreme cases - and usually simply to convince the 'mother' that they are not pregnant at all - not all intercourse results in pregnancy, after all.

The best way for redpills to become pregnant would be to have real sex with your real partner, in the Real.

... And now I'm stuck picturing Keanu Reeves' naked backside during that 'Rave' scene.

... And now you all are, too. };->

- Void

#36300358172 11/24/2007 18:03:46 Re:RPing pregnancy

EndlessVoid wrote:

It doesn't make sense for the machines to possess the technology to hack human brains directly, yet be unable to surgically remove their reproductive materials.

If I remember correctly, this was Persophone's purpose when she was a machine program, no? She stimulated sexual desires in humans, and then sent their sperm/egg samples from their pods to be "grown" in the feilds and eventually placed in a pod of their own... I think.

#36300358184 11/24/2007 18:31:28 Re:RPing pregnancy

Tosuno wrote:

EndlessVoid wrote:
It doesn't make sense for the machines to possess the technology to hack human brains directly, yet be unable to surgically remove their reproductive materials.

If I remember correctly, this was Persophone's purpose when she was a machine program, no? She stimulated sexual desires in humans, and then sent their sperm/egg samples from their pods to be "grown" in the feilds and eventually placed in a pod of their own... I think.

Mmm, medically, we've pretty much figured out everything we could most likely know about how reproduction works (sperm cells were discovered by Anton von Leywenhoeuck, the inventor of the first microscope in the 1600s; the ovum wasn't properly identified until the late 1800s but, well, those *are* a lot harder to obtain a sample of, we'll say...), but our own brains and how those work still mystify us, though by all accounts, we're coming a long way with that.

If my embryo fission theory and the possibility that the Machines collect zygotes from the coppertops from the time they sexually mature are correct, it's very possible that some Redpills who were awakened post-puberty might have offspring out there in the fields somewhere. No, don't worry, I won't be tagging anyone for child support. It's probably next to impossible to figure out who came from where at this point, though the Machines might keep a log on the best genetic lines they've run across. Who knows? That one guy or gal who drives you up the wall the most might just be the other parent to your offspring...

This might also explain miscarriage and/or sudden infant death syndrome among coppertops (since the world inside the Matrix mirrors the world of 1999, with all its flaws and good qualities, these problems would probably happen); could be something went wrong when the Machine was inserting a child into a pod/some desperate Redpill woman swiped a child off a fetal stalk/the kid just didn't meet Machine standards, etc. Or for that matter, maybe a Bluepill who chooses to have an abortion isn't fully choosing to do so, but the Machines detected something wrong with the fetus they selected and they're convincing her this is the right thing to do because they're terminating a weak fetus that isn't likely to produce the most energy for them.

Wow, this wound up being a deeper question than I initially thought! One year later, we're still discussing it, and the more we talk about it, the more ideas present themselves.

#36300358195 11/24/2007 19:22:07 Re:RPing pregnancy

I wonder though why the machines would allow the creation of a handicapped person being born since they wouldn't fulfill their concept of what is "optimal"?

You know i think i just answered my own question, i could see the Machines allowing the birth of a handicapped person even though it wouldn't be optimal because it would just add to the illusion of reality. If everyone was walking around in perfect health, no deficiencies people would start to notice that. probably one of the things that happened with the first Matrix.

#36300358266 11/25/2007 00:17:18 Re:RPing pregnancy

CrimsonKiller01 wrote:

I wonder though why the machines would allow the creation of a handicapped person being born since they wouldn't fulfill their concept of what is "optimal"?

You know i think i just answered my own question, i could see the Machines allowing the birth of a handicapped person even though it wouldn't be optimal because it would just add to the illusion of reality. If everyone was walking around in perfect health, no deficiencies people would start to notice that. probably one of the things that happened with the first Matrix.

True... but would a person whose mind or RSI are handicapped in some way have the same handicap in their physical body? I guess that's a topic for a whole other discussion (and one that's close to my mind and heart since I'm disabled myself), but I imagine that the Machines would use only the "best" humans or at least the ones with the fewest flaw as batteries, then edit some disability or quirk into their RSI to keep things from being too perfect for them.

#36300358323 11/25/2007 08:25:01 Re:RPing pregnancy

MatrixRefugee wrote:

CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
I wonder though why the machines would allow the creation of a handicapped person being born since they wouldn't fulfill their concept of what is "optimal"?

You know i think i just answered my own question, i could see the Machines allowing the birth of a handicapped person even though it wouldn't be optimal because it would just add to the illusion of reality. If everyone was walking around in perfect health, no deficiencies people would start to notice that. probably one of the things that happened with the first Matrix.
True... but would a person whose mind or RSI are handicapped in some way have the same handicap in their physical body? I guess that's a topic for a whole other discussion (and one that's close to my mind and heart since I'm disabled myself), but I imagine that the Machines would use only the "best" humans or at least the ones with the fewest flaw as batteries, then edit some disability or quirk into their RSI to keep things from being too perfect for them.

I thought of this a while back and you answered in along the same lines as I did.

#36300358366 11/25/2007 10:00:23 Re:RPing pregnancy

Vinia wrote:

MatrixRefugee wrote:
CrimsonKiller01 wrote:
I wonder though why the machines would allow the creation of a handicapped person being born since they wouldn't fulfill their concept of what is "optimal"?

You know i think i just answered my own question, i could see the Machines allowing the birth of a handicapped person even though it wouldn't be optimal because it would just add to the illusion of reality. If everyone was walking around in perfect health, no deficiencies people would start to notice that. probably one of the things that happened with the first Matrix.
True... but would a person whose mind or RSI are handicapped in some way have the same handicap in their physical body? I guess that's a topic for a whole other discussion (and one that's close to my mind and heart since I'm disabled myself), but I imagine that the Machines would use only the "best" humans or at least the ones with the fewest flaw as batteries, then edit some disability or quirk into their RSI to keep things from being too perfect for them.
I thought of this a while back and you answered in along the same lines as I did.

Whoops, I guess the discussion is getting a bit dragged out when one of us starts to repeat themself.

#36300358367 11/25/2007 10:01:18 Re:RPing pregnancy

Honestly I think the pod version of the human would be handicapped as well. Only reasoning I could give is that the human race by design is imperfect. Sure the Machines could detect the genetic flaw but I believe the Machines would weigh the facts. After all, The Machine's main purpose for the humans is to use them as energy. At the same time they have to use any means to make the Matrix look as real as possible. I think it was Agent Smith that said "...But I believe, that as a species, human beings define their reality though misery and suffering."

#36300358784 11/26/2007 04:46:56 Re:RPing pregnancy

You make a good point, but I don't see the Machines not perfecting a technique which would allow for large flaws to be prevented. After all they have had years to grow the Babies and learn. Certainly weighing it up, minor flaws would present negligible effects upon the system of pods and the welfare of the system and it would be a waste of resources to simply get rid of the child. However if the handicap of the Child had to potential to severely limit the functions in the pods the the extra cost of sustaining that child through its life may cost more than simply starting over.

#36300358848 11/26/2007 08:44:58 Re:RPing pregnancy

I get what your saying! You know in essence if we follow that thinking it can be said that he Machines could actually "map out" a person's potential just by looking at his or her DNA. Let's say the person's DNA shows a 90% probability that he or she would be born deaf. The Machines weigh in that with the potential of how much energy the human will produce in his or her lifetime and probably be able to calculate the life expectancy of that human (well if the human doesn't get killed or possessed by an Agent that is SMILEY

) . I understand that you mean that if the red pill version of human with lets say blindness doesn't mean that the pod version of the human would be blind as well. In that I think you may be on to something. maybe the machines just care that the human in the pod is producing its energy allotment and all other concerns are negligible. I was also reading in that other website (I forgot which one it was but it spoke alot about the theories of the Matrix) where the human in the pod also doubled as "memory storage" for the Machines. So I guess its kind of a Catch-22 when it comes to the overall health and well being of the ones in the pods versus the ones in the Matrix. SMILEY

#36300374957 12/22/2007 21:41:49 Re:RPing pregnancy

EndlessVoid wrote:

Just looking at Neo's state when freed from his pod, I doubt that bluepills still in their pods would be able to successfully carry babies, as it would be far less efficient than harvesting eggs and sperm and growing the child in their own pod (which would act like an artificial womb). It doesn't make sense for the machines to possess the technology to hack human brains directly, yet be unable to surgically remove their reproductive materials.

My guess is that normally, when a couple conceives a child in the Matrix, the machines harvest their genetic material from their pods and create a child, which is then "born" to them in the Matrix. This would account for the facts that people's RSIs look like themselves, and children look like their parents - the child's genetic information MUST come from the two parents (barring extraordinary cases where the Machines get the process mixed up and the 'wrong' child is born with a different identity - which I believe happened in one of the comics).
The best way for redpills to become pregnant would be to have real sex with your real partner, in the Real.
... And now I'm stuck picturing Keanu Reeves' naked backside during that 'Rave' scene.
... And now you all are, too. };->
- Void

That would be interesting to see - a virtual pregnancy producing new code in the simulation with no corresponding "hardware" (body) in the Real. Who knows, this could be the key to coming up with some new kind of "truce" or understanding between Human and Machine - a program born of human in the machine virtual world - it would almost be the best of both worlds.

Maybe I'm just being hopelessly optimistic and the end result would be some abortive horrible rampant code that would create massive problems for the simulation. We'll never see it unless some scriptwriter thinks the idea has merit.

Also, *CENSORED* you. *CENSORED* you and keanu reeve's skinny white *CENSORED*. I hate you both. SMILEY

#36300375387 12/23/2007 21:20:28 Re:RPing pregnancy

Maybe we can see about getting an "infant" luggable that makes your RSI appear to be carrying a bundle of joy. It can give a 15% boost to the Extra Baggage trait and we can simulate scenes from Willow or pretend that it's Moses.

#36300375404 12/23/2007 22:36:15 Re:RPing pregnancy

Zerotolerance wrote:

Maybe we can see about getting an "infant" luggable that makes your RSI appear to be carrying a bundle of joy. It can give a 15% boost to the Extra Baggage trait and we can simulate scenes from Willow or pretend that it's Moses.

:: Laughs out loud:: Clever idea, though! I rather like it, kinda. :: Giggles::

And Void, the mental images you have caused in my brain are further proof that you are much more evil than two other guys on Recursion put together, but who will remain nameless, though like the guy in that Carly Simon song, they're so vain they probably think this post is about them.

#36300376386 12/26/2007 01:32:16 Re:RPing pregnancy

How many people in wheelchairs, or with any disability at all, did you see in The Matrix movies?

Hint hint... SMILEY

#36300376631 12/26/2007 18:51:06 Re:RPing pregnancy

Marias wrote:

How many people in wheelchairs, or with any disability at all, did you see in The Matrix movies?

Hint hint...

I'd have to rewatch them and pay attention to crowd scenes and background actors, but off the top of my head, I can think of the blind guy sitting outside the Oracle's apartment, whom Morpheus nods to... and who replies with a nod. Hm...

#36300377143 12/28/2007 04:30:04 Re:RPing pregnancy

MatrixRefugee wrote:

I'd have to rewatch them and pay attention to crowd scenes and background actors, but off the top of my head, I can think of the blind guy sitting outside the Oracle's apartment, whom Morpheus nods to... and who replies with a nod. Hm...

Lol, I was gonna do the same thing... just in case! I forgot about about that blind man, good job!