54 posts · 2006-10-05 21:21:08 to 2007-01-25 03:53:14
#3630006520210/05/2006 21:21:08Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
We know that the storytelling of the Matrix is meant to be portrayed in many different formats, but one area the franchise is lacking in is reading material.
Sure, we have the philisophical books (but how many do we really need?) and the "Art of" books, but I mean actual story telling novels, similar to the Extended Universe that Star Wars has and it's very successful line of novels.
The Wachowski's could hire multiple talented sci-fi writers to write a series of novels based on and off the Matrix universe. Some examples?
The previous iterations of the Matrix
The previous six Ones
The origins of Seraph
The origins of the Exiles (particulary the Merovingian)
Childhood stories of our favorite characters
Novels past MxO ??
There's so much untapped storytelling that the Matix provides, and with novels, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination.
#3630006520510/05/2006 21:25:02Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
That where the MxO Community comes in.
#3630006520810/05/2006 21:27:48Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Yes, we have our storytelling, but I mean official novels that were looked over by the Wachowski's who would hand pick their sci-fi writer's.
I know the Wachowski's have untapped material, and probably a ton.
#3630006521610/05/2006 21:43:56Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
i would like to also know more bout Morpheus as well to his past and his previous meetings with the oracle that seemd to lead him away from a relationship with niobe to finding Neo. also a story bout the first set of people waking up from the matrix what were there thoughts i guess this would be the first instance of the ones doing not sure though cause but still intresting concept
#3630006522010/05/2006 21:47:56Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
I would like to see the following stories.
The first two verison of The Matrix Seraph's story
#3630006530610/06/2006 01:18:32Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
They need to put out something because that is the only way we will see a true surge in new players here... by advertising a different official matrix product. (wishful thinking)
#3630006577110/06/2006 11:11:01Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
We know that the storytelling of the Matrix is meant to be portrayed in many different formats, but one area the franchise is lacking in is reading material.
Sure, we have the philisophical books (but how many do we really need?) and the "Art of" books, but I mean actual story telling novels, similar to the Extended Universe that Star Wars has and it's very successful line of novels.
The Wachowski's could hire multiple talented sci-fi writers to write a series of novels based on and off the Matrix universe. Some examples?
The previous iterations of the Matrix
The previous six Ones
The origins of Seraph
The origins of the Exiles (particulary the Merovingian)
Childhood stories of our favorite characters
Novels past MxO ??
There's so much untapped storytelling that the Matix provides, and with novels, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination.
Because, for the most part, the story's already told. However, the overwhelming circumstances that follow such a wide range of subjects keep things moving on their own and that's good enough.
#3630006587210/06/2006 13:36:41Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
The main plot is mostly told, but like the SW:EU, the plot can be twisted and deepened with many side plots and stories.
#3630006601910/06/2006 17:33:19Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
The main plot is mostly told, but like the SW:EU, the plot can be twisted and deepened with many side plots and stories.
It's been been my experience that some people believe sideplots and flashbacks and twists are hokey. Some people get off on accuracy.
#3630006616610/06/2006 20:48:30Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
If it's given the okay by the Wachowski's, I don't see how these novels would not be accurate to the main plot.
Perhaps the Wachowski's don't want everything explained, which is my thought on why it hasn't been done yet.
#3630006621710/06/2006 22:36:00Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
If it's given the okay by the Wachowski's, I don't see how these novels would not be accurate to the main plot.
Perhaps the Wachowski's don't want everything explained, which is my thought on why it hasn't been done yet.
Hehe...yeah, the Wachowskis.
#3630006651610/07/2006 11:10:29Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
What, you don't think they care about the franchise that made them famous and rich?
#3630006654810/07/2006 12:10:18Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
What, you don't think they care about the franchise that made them famous and rich?
No, but comon they can only live on The Matrix franchise for so long, they moved on to other stuff.
#3630006656110/07/2006 12:23:17Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
It's not like they have to do anything, besides picking the sci-fi authors they want and then reviewing the contents of the novel to get pre-approval.
They said they have moved on, but I guarantee at some point they will return to the franchise that helped mold them who they are today.
#3630006680010/07/2006 20:11:28Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
It's not like they have to do anything, besides picking the sci-fi authors they want and then reviewing the contents of the novel to get pre-approval.
They said they have moved on, but I guarantee at some point they will return to the franchise that helped mold them who they are today.
This franchise is only a cog in a machine.
#3630006689810/07/2006 23:01:55Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
I think the intention was to keep it cyber punk. I mean look at the material:
Movies
Video games
Comic books
A typical stuff that a cyber punk would be into.
#3630006734310/08/2006 16:33:55Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
WGAnubis1 wrote:
I think the intention was to keep it cyber punk. I mean look at the material:
Movies
Video games
Comic books
A typical stuff that a cyber punk would be into.
Hehe...they'd shove a violin up their asses and whistle dixie if they thought it would sell more. The brand really died after the poor reaction to the third movie. Hence, why everyone has moved on.
#3630006734510/08/2006 16:41:13Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
RainKingX wrote:
WGAnubis1 wrote:
I think the intention was to keep it cyber punk. I mean look at the material:
Movies
Video games
Comic books
A typical stuff that a cyber punk would be into.
Hehe...they'd shove a violin up their asses and whistle dixie if they thought it would sell more. The brand really died after the poor reaction to the third movie. Hence, why everyone has moved on.
Except us, of course.
#3630006735910/08/2006 16:58:16Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Yeah, and I suppose the SW prequels were any better? lol
They are still truckin' ...
(although I did like all 3 prequels, they were generally given bad reviews)
#3630006736410/08/2006 17:03:02Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
Yeah, and I suppose the SW prequels were any better? lol
They are still truckin' ...
(although I did like all 3 prequels, they were generally given bad reviews)
God I couldn't stomach the prequels, I stopped after Espisode I, Jar Jar Binks ruined it all for me.
#3630006743810/08/2006 19:09:54Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
MetaLogic wrote:
RainKingX wrote:
Except us, of course.
Yeah, well, that's only a matter of time.
#3630006743910/08/2006 19:10:39Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
Yeah, and I suppose the SW prequels were any better? lol
They are still truckin' ...
(although I did like all 3 prequels, they were generally given bad reviews)
The Star Wars brand never died.
#3630006749710/08/2006 20:08:16Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
RainKingX wrote:
Remag_Div wrote:
Yeah, and I suppose the SW prequels were any better? lol
They are still truckin' ...
(although I did like all 3 prequels, they were generally given bad reviews)
The Star Wars brand never died.
Nope, it's a zombie.
#3630007187810/14/2006 07:54:48Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
I'd sure like to have the official novels of The Matrix storyline, so I can understand it better
#3630007190510/14/2006 09:09:57Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
XRontix wrote:
I'd sure like to have the official novels of The Matrix storyline, so I can understand it better
Well, while you are waiting for the movie adaptation novels, you can go to this movie transcript site. It has all three movies transcribed in excellent detail. It even translates the French phrases the Merovingian uses during his dramatic monologues.
Plus, the site has an alleged 'original' script for The Matrix and an alleged shadow script for Reloaded and Revolutions. Not sure that I believe it about these being official scripts, but they do make for interesting reading!
#3630012518312/20/2006 21:33:32Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
I have been wondering the same thing myself. I would love to see a Star Wars-style Expanded Universe for the Matrix storyline. There's a lot of potential there and I'm surprised no book publisher has tried to procure the license. I would love to see this.
#3630012589912/22/2006 00:30:07Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Wishing for 'more Matrix' is simply wishful thinking outside of MxO.
The Wachowski Brothers came up with an idea, and they thought it was so ground breaking and deserving of being made into a film that they went and made another film just to prove that they could do it.
Yes, the universe surrounding it could go on forever and ever. But poor reactions to the second and third film mean that most people have forgotten the Matrix or remember and just don't care any more. That means that it's high risk for any publishing company of any kind to get involved.
Add to that the Wachowskis are moving on to other things - the Matrix trilogy + Animatrix was their brainchild, their "vision", and now that vision has been fulfilled. Like so many of us, they have new and fresh ideas. To revisit the Matrix would be taking a step backwards.
[EDIT] Using Star Wars to compare is nonsense - SW had (and arguably still has) a bigger following than the Matrix ever did and ever will.
#3630012796212/26/2006 10:27:51Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
[CoZ wrote:
LostProphet]Wishing for 'more Matrix' is simply wishful thinking outside of MxO.
The Wachowski Brothers came up with an idea, and they thought it was so ground breaking and deserving of being made into a film that they went and made another film just to prove that they could do it.
Yes, the universe surrounding it could go on forever and ever. But poor reactions to the second and third film mean that most people have forgotten the Matrix or remember and just don't care any more. That means that it's high risk for any publishing company of any kind to get involved.
Add to that the Wachowskis are moving on to other things - the Matrix trilogy + Animatrix was their brainchild, their "vision", and now that vision has been fulfilled. Like so many of us, they have new and fresh ideas. To revisit the Matrix would be taking a step backwards.
[EDIT] Using Star Wars to compare is nonsense - SW had (and arguably still has) a bigger following than the Matrix ever did and ever will.
You must get up pretty early in the morning to be that condescending.
#3630012806412/26/2006 14:37:22Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Except he's right in a way... I just hope the Wachowski's don't completely abandonen the franchise.. which they have now, I still believe there's a market for more Matrix in the future, but not for awhile, the buzz has to come back again and after directing 3 movies, 2 video games, comics, etc. I would be hella tired of any franchise myself for at least a decade.
#3630012818912/26/2006 22:01:01Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Could you imagine what would happen to this game if it were released that the Brothers W were getting actively re-involved with the game again, albeit for however brief a time?
Hell, nearly every old player would likely return just on the well-spread rumor that one of the Wachowskis had an active character in game, and played daily.
#3630012826912/27/2006 06:00:15Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
We know that the storytelling of the Matrix is meant to be portrayed in many different formats, but one area the franchise is lacking in is reading material.
Sure, we have the philisophical books (but how many do we really need?) and the "Art of" books, but I mean actual story telling novels, similar to the Extended Universe that Star Wars has and it's very successful line of novels.
The Wachowski's could hire multiple talented sci-fi writers to write a series of novels based on and off the Matrix universe. Some examples?
The previous iterations of the Matrix
The previous six Ones
The origins of Seraph
The origins of the Exiles (particulary the Merovingian)
Childhood stories of our favorite characters
Novels past MxO ??
There's so much untapped storytelling that the Matix provides, and with novels, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination.
Outsiade of this very small community, no one cares about the Matrix on the level you do.
#3630012830312/27/2006 07:19:58Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
There have been three movies, an anime series, a comic series, two video games and one MMO about the Matrix, and obviously enough people interested in them on different levels, and the people writing it were obviously interested enough to do them. That's really all that matters.
And you're wrong with your statement. Do you think Cornel West, Ken Wilber or all the other philosophers and the like play this game? Some "huge Matrix fans" have joined this game just a few days ago.
Sorry for the off-topic comment, but I was just so amused by that post.
#3630012852912/27/2006 12:35:33Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Neolivesftw wrote:
Remag_Div wrote:
We know that the storytelling of the Matrix is meant to be portrayed in many different formats, but one area the franchise is lacking in is reading material.
Sure, we have the philisophical books (but how many do we really need?) and the "Art of" books, but I mean actual story telling novels, similar to the Extended Universe that Star Wars has and it's very successful line of novels.
The Wachowski's could hire multiple talented sci-fi writers to write a series of novels based on and off the Matrix universe. Some examples?
The previous iterations of the Matrix
The previous six Ones
The origins of Seraph
The origins of the Exiles (particulary the Merovingian)
Childhood stories of our favorite characters
Novels past MxO ??
There's so much untapped storytelling that the Matix provides, and with novels, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination.
Outsiade of this very small community, no one cares about the Matrix on the level you do.
Might want to check out the numerous other Matrix forums that don't play MxO. Saying that MxO holds the only Matrix fans in the world couldn't be any more naive, but that's expected coming from you, whose arguments and points never hold any weight.
#3630012859112/27/2006 13:15:55Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Remag_Div wrote:
Neolivesftw wrote:
Remag_Div wrote:
We know that the storytelling of the Matrix is meant to be portrayed in many different formats, but one area the franchise is lacking in is reading material.
Sure, we have the philisophical books (but how many do we really need?) and the "Art of" books, but I mean actual story telling novels, similar to the Extended Universe that Star Wars has and it's very successful line of novels.
The Wachowski's could hire multiple talented sci-fi writers to write a series of novels based on and off the Matrix universe. Some examples?
The previous iterations of the Matrix
The previous six Ones
The origins of Seraph
The origins of the Exiles (particulary the Merovingian)
Childhood stories of our favorite characters
Novels past MxO ??
There's so much untapped storytelling that the Matix provides, and with novels, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination.
Outsiade of this very small community, no one cares about the Matrix on the level you do.
Might want to check out the numerous other Matrix forums that don't play MxO.
Wonder why they don't play...Oh yeah, MXO isn't matrix canon.
Saying that MxO holds the only Matrix fans in the world couldn't be any more naive, but that's expected coming from you, whose arguments and points never hold any weight.
That was certainly creative. You missed a few key words bub.
#3630012859212/27/2006 13:20:55Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Neolivesftw wrote:
Remag_Div wrote:
Neolivesftw wrote:
Remag_Div wrote:
We know that the storytelling of the Matrix is meant to be portrayed in many different formats, but one area the franchise is lacking in is reading material.
Sure, we have the philisophical books (but how many do we really need?) and the "Art of" books, but I mean actual story telling novels, similar to the Extended Universe that Star Wars has and it's very successful line of novels.
The Wachowski's could hire multiple talented sci-fi writers to write a series of novels based on and off the Matrix universe. Some examples?
The previous iterations of the Matrix
The previous six Ones
The origins of Seraph
The origins of the Exiles (particulary the Merovingian)
Childhood stories of our favorite characters
Novels past MxO ??
There's so much untapped storytelling that the Matix provides, and with novels, it leaves it up to the reader's imagination.
Outsiade of this very small community, no one cares about the Matrix on the level you do.
Might want to check out the numerous other Matrix forums that don't play MxO.
Wonder why they don't play...Oh yeah, MXO isn't matrix canon.
Saying that MxO holds the only Matrix fans in the world couldn't be any more naive, but that's expected coming from you, whose arguments and points never hold any weight.
That was certainly creative. You missed a few key words bub.
First, MxO is considered Matrix canon.
Second, you said no one outside of this community cares about the Matrix. Which would mean, the Matrix fans who care about the Matrix and don't play this game because it isn't official part of the franchise they care about actually don't care about the Matrix.
Does that make sense to anyone? I know it doesn't to me. What's your point?
#3630012859312/27/2006 13:21:29Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Neolivesftw wrote:
Might want to check out the numerous other Matrix forums that don't play MxO.
Wonder why they don't play...Oh yeah, MXO isn't matrix canon.
Saying that MxO holds the only Matrix fans in the world couldn't be any more naive, but that's expected coming from you, whose arguments and points never hold any weight.
That was certainly creative. You missed a few key words bub.
MxO is indeed Matrix Canon. The game was helmed by the Wachowski's to continue the story of the matrix. They hired artist/writer Paul Chadwick to pen the story and he's done alright so far. The only thing not canon are our holiday events and the anniversary event.
#3630012859412/27/2006 13:21:32Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Regardless on the debate of MxO canon, there are other Matrix fans that are not here. Heck, a lot of people who play this game don't even post here. There was just a time period where there was a huge Matrix buzz. Unfortunately, the general consensus didn't view the sequels in the same light as the original with a lackluster game, so both people and the Wachowski's were all "Matrix'ed out" .. however this doesn't mean down the road something can happen again.
#3630012859812/27/2006 13:27:28Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
I make a deal with you, when they release the Matrix 25th anniversary editon collectors (dvd or whatever format)...and it has a write up of what's taken pace here or a disc showing it, then I'll agree.
I know alot of Matrix fans consider this canon, many don't, I tried to have a thread about this but you guys spammed and flamed it.
Thanks Shadow Sk.
#3630012861512/27/2006 14:11:20Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Where's that thread? Please provide a link or something, maybe it turns out interesting.
As for now, I'm still wondering what your point you're trying to enforce...
#3630012862912/27/2006 14:24:44Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
zeroone506 wrote:
Where's that thread? Please provide a link or something, maybe it turns out interesting.
As for now, I'm still wondering what your point you're trying to enforce...
nah it was just him saying "mxo is not matrix cannon because soe are evil etc" so i wouldn't bother trying to find it
#3630012882612/28/2006 01:59:09Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
bannanaphone wrote:
nah it was just him saying "mxo is not matrix cannon because soe are evil etc" so i wouldn't bother trying to find it
Ah... I understand. Evil community flames innocent guy who starts a constructive discussion. Oh well.
Is it that thread that was removed?
#3630012886112/28/2006 05:20:25Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Theorydust wrote:
[CoZ wrote:
LostProphet]Wishing for 'more Matrix' is simply wishful thinking outside of MxO.
The Wachowski Brothers came up with an idea, and they thought it was so ground breaking and deserving of being made into a film that they went and made another film just to prove that they could do it.
Yes, the universe surrounding it could go on forever and ever. But poor reactions to the second and third film mean that most people have forgotten the Matrix or remember and just don't care any more. That means that it's high risk for any publishing company of any kind to get involved.
Add to that the Wachowskis are moving on to other things - the Matrix trilogy + Animatrix was their brainchild, their "vision", and now that vision has been fulfilled. Like so many of us, they have new and fresh ideas. To revisit the Matrix would be taking a step backwards.
[EDIT] Using Star Wars to compare is nonsense - SW had (and arguably still has) a bigger following than the Matrix ever did and ever will.
You must get up pretty early in the morning to be that condescending.
*Laughs*
...I have to agree. Even though you're right, LP, that ain't half snotty.
#3630012910112/28/2006 11:09:42Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Theorydust wrote:
[CoZ wrote:
LostProphet]Wishing for 'more Matrix' is simply wishful thinking outside of MxO.
The Wachowski Brothers came up with an idea, and they thought it was so ground breaking and deserving of being made into a film that they went and made another film just to prove that they could do it.
Yes, the universe surrounding it could go on forever and ever. But poor reactions to the second and third film mean that most people have forgotten the Matrix or remember and just don't care any more. That means that it's high risk for any publishing company of any kind to get involved.
Add to that the Wachowskis are moving on to other things - the Matrix trilogy + Animatrix was their brainchild, their "vision", and now that vision has been fulfilled. Like so many of us, they have new and fresh ideas. To revisit the Matrix would be taking a step backwards.
[EDIT] Using Star Wars to compare is nonsense - SW had (and arguably still has) a bigger following than the Matrix ever did and ever will.
You must get up pretty early in the morning to be that condescending.
6.45am as a matter of fact
And I don't see where I was condescending there, I just spelled out the facts, which a lot of people seem to totally disregard when it comes to this sort of "Why can't X happen?"
And comparing SW to Matrix IS nonsense. The reason SW was revisited and the first three chapters were made was for no other reason than flagrant milking of the franchise. A massive number of people still begged for more and George Lucas gave it to them, and got even richer in the process.
The Wachowskis have moved on, set up their own comic book company, already done another film and have another in the pipeline which they've said they want to make as groundbreaking as the Matrix was in its genre.
If that doesn't say "They've moved on" then I don't know what does.
#3630012919212/28/2006 13:20:54Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
According to Lucas, he revised IV-VI because that's how he always wanted it to be back then but couldn't pull it off at that time, and I think also to make them equal to the new movies. And he wouldn't have called the original movies IV-VI if not out of intention to make I-III.
Really, I find it unfair to say that he just wanted to make profit out of the old trilogy by making the new one. Doesn't really make sense aswell.
Maybe the Wachowskis have really moved on - but who says completely away from the Matrix? PoN was released not such an awful long time ago (about one year isn't much), and there is no reason to assume that their active involvement in MxO that was obvious from several interviews with themselves and Paul Chadwick has disappeared, until someone definitely states it.
#3630012925712/28/2006 14:37:40Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
I love this idea, and it doesn't have to be the brothers writing it, they just need to give their okay I believe.
I'd love to have backstories of the Matrix, and I think there are alot of writers out there who would do a good job. Timothy Zahn for one, I'd love to know Morpheus's story, Trinity's story etc.
I'd buy them.
Also a point about star wars, when the first three came out it had the same fan fare Matrix did, but after the last film was released the buzz died out and it was all but forgotten for nearly 6 years. Then there was a revisiting to the films and a new generated interest. Then all of the other stuff came, the prequels etc. The fandom we know now. It was not always there. George Lucas himself stated in a interview that he though after the last film came out that was it cuz nothing really happened after that.
There is no reason to believe Matrix cannot do the same. The tenth year anniversay will be in 2009, Im sure there will be something planned for it.
Thanks for the Memories MXO!
#3630012928612/28/2006 15:23:27Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Give The Wachowskis another 10 years and they'll bring the matrix back with a trilogy of prequels or something. Would be awesome! And I believe their next movie is going to be a live action Speed Racer. Go Speed Racer, Go!!!
#3630013226401/03/2007 05:49:15Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
Perhaps the very reason novelizations have not been created is because all of that story information is to be gradually told in MXO.
Maybe they plan to reveal much of what we yearn to know over the course of the game.
#3630013247401/03/2007 12:59:44Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
This is true Garu. I hope to learn more about Sati in the upcoming year.
#3630013289201/04/2007 10:07:14Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
good point
#3630013997501/13/2007 00:55:18Re:Matrix novels - Why hasn't this been done?
MetaLogic wrote:
Remag_Div wrote:
What, you don't think they care about the franchise that made them famous and rich?
No, but comon they can only live on The Matrix franchise for so long, they moved on to other stuff.