This thread is for discussing The Other Side of the Looking Glass, posted on Data Node One, October 4, 2006.
The Other Side of the Looking Glass - Wednesday, October 4, 2006
50 posts · 2006-10-04 14:39:17 to 2006-10-06 12:31:45
Patching on a friday, daring move.
Very glad stuff Walrus, good to see you're feeling a bit better! 
Aww... The only merv org sim I like is Morpheus...
Siros7 wrote:
we get to fight a twin
Aww... The only merv org sim I like is Morpheus...
we get to fight a twin
BloodWork wrote:
Siros7 wrote:Shaddup you toasterAww... The only merv org sim I like is Morpheus...
we get to fight a twin
Hey, nice little birthday gift.
will we get some specail buffed item for beating the sims or will it just be ur average loot when u defeat it?
nubious81 wrote:
will we get some specail buffed item for beating the sims or will it just be ur average loot when u defeat it?Average loot I think.
WTB FM-1500s in this patch.
Did Rarebit get to squeeze in more of his vendor/questy stuff?
Join TDC, and get all the sims... any time you want.
And yes, this Friday patching... very bold move... I think someone is going to be working Saturday... or at least on call.
And yes, this Friday patching... very bold move... I think someone is going to be working Saturday... or at least on call.
Hah. The Merovingian must really hate Zion... None of those sims are from the Machines. I'm mad that you guys get to fight Morpheus. We'll see...
Good stuff with the Org/Crew-hopping as well. Though, can we at least see some sort of... Increase... Of reputation gain? Or some new ways to gain reputation?
Good stuff with the Org/Crew-hopping as well. Though, can we at least see some sort of... Increase... Of reputation gain? Or some new ways to gain reputation?
Zomg.
-5 Rep with both orgs.
If that's the case then joining factions will suck alot!
I mean... Factions take applications per individual usually. Not crews.
Oh and the rep thingy. I think the chances of getting a rep point should be upped just a little bit.
Other than that it's pure awesomesauce.
Though I can see the org hopping fix for pvp combat this really puts a hamper on RP. There are several instances I can sight in RP on recursion in which a player had to go into another org for the sake of RP but now this wont be doable.
I request that an alteration be made that the Rep changes -IF- the person in question flags up.
I really feel that this change closes an avenue of RP such as kidnapping, brain washing, anything that you can think of to justify entering another org for RP purposes, etc when it is clearly meant for PVP cases.
This is a good move Walrus I dont have school on friday and monday
Just turn org names off, then it won't hurt your rp Also, the Merovingian wouldn't care if you were brainwashed, if you joined another org he would be angry, period.
Also, the Merovingian wouldn't care if you were brainwashed, if you joined another org he would be angry, period.null
WGAnubis1 wrote:
On the other hand, it's also good to see org hopping in PVP cases will be less attractive, I've never witnessed this myself but I can see the problem.
As for the NPC spawns in the constructs, that's all good although I wish there were multiple levels to choose from, oh well. I'll have to persuade someone to get me into a Merv construct and Machine to fight that twin and Morpheus, heh.
I highly agree.Though I can see the org hopping fix for pvp combat this really puts a hamper on RP. There are several instances I can sight in RP on recursion in which a player had to go into another org for the sake of RP but now this wont be doable.
I request that an alteration be made that the Rep changes -IF- the person in question flags up.
I really feel that this change closes an avenue of RP such as kidnapping, brain washing, anything that you can think of to justify entering another org for RP purposes, etc when it is clearly meant for PVP cases.
On the other hand, it's also good to see org hopping in PVP cases will be less attractive, I've never witnessed this myself but I can see the problem.
As for the NPC spawns in the constructs, that's all good although I wish there were multiple levels to choose from, oh well. I'll have to persuade someone to get me into a Merv construct and Machine to fight that twin and Morpheus, heh.
Swweeeeeett....
Now I gotta find a way to sneak into tthe other org's constructs...hhmmmm...
Anyways, great job on the patch! Looks like a lot of stuff was fixed and a lotta cool new things implemented.
Now I gotta find a way to sneak into tthe other org's constructs...hhmmmm...
Anyways, great job on the patch! Looks like a lot of stuff was fixed and a lotta cool new things implemented.
Great update, thanks
lots of good fixes in there, in particular the crew stuff.
--Now when a player joins a Crew, that player's Reputation with both opposing Organizations will drop to -5. If the player's Reputation is already -5 or below with an Organization, there will be no change to that score. Since a player must have a Reputation of at least 0 with an Organization in order to join a Crew, we felt this was just enough to make Org-hopping unattractive.--
So if you're like me, at least -50 with each org, this has no effect? Or is the other way around, and ima be completly *CENSORED* over?
Dammit, now I have to grind rep and be factionless for the next couple days.
from the way i read it, if your currently in a crew and you have negitive rep points for that Org you will still be in that crew unless you get kicked out or leave said crew then you will need to get your rep to 0 to rejoin it.
My question is the AB pills, there not stackable but the Neg sweeps of the pills are? *CENSORED*??
Pretty good patch notes. Lots of typo fixes I see.
I hope to see some AI fixes soon *cough*removing that extra round of combat that happens after your special ability kills an enemy*cough*.
I hope to see some AI fixes soon *cough*removing that extra round of combat that happens after your special ability kills an enemy*cough*.
narrakan wrote:
WGAnubis1 wrote:Ugh. I've seen it in constructs, people using it to farm the boss without outside interference. :/I highly agree.Though I can see the org hopping fix for pvp combat this really puts a hamper on RP. There are several instances I can sight in RP on recursion in which a player had to go into another org for the sake of RP but now this wont be doable.
I request that an alteration be made that the Rep changes -IF- the person in question flags up.
I really feel that this change closes an avenue of RP such as kidnapping, brain washing, anything that you can think of to justify entering another org for RP purposes, etc when it is clearly meant for PVP cases.
On the other hand, it's also good to see org hopping in PVP cases will be less attractive, I've never witnessed this myself but I can see the problem.
As for the NPC spawns in the constructs, that's all good although I wish there were multiple levels to choose from, oh well. I'll have to persuade someone to get me into a Merv construct and Machine to fight that twin and Morpheus, heh.
Why is sniper not being fixed?
Spadz wrote:
Question! - What about people who are already in a crew that have negative rep with that org and positive in another org?
Now that org hoppers are pretty much taken char of, what can be done about people who make alts in an opposing org with the purpose of screwing them over?
Why is sniper not being fixed?Because they figured I was still pwning even with broken concealment animations.
Question! - What about people who are already in a crew that have negative rep with that org and positive in another org?
Now that org hoppers are pretty much taken char of, what can be done about people who make alts in an opposing org with the purpose of screwing them over?
Dagonet wrote:
Invoke some more requirements to join your faction, perhaps. Say, a screenshot proving that you have so-and-so reputation with the organization the faction is under.
If you still get griefers, then they're definitely trying way too hard and you can laugh at them for having no life.
Or do you mean ruin the reputation of the organization in general?
Now that org hoppers are pretty much taken care of, what can be done about people who make alts in an opposing org with the purpose of screwing them over?
Invoke some more requirements to join your faction, perhaps. Say, a screenshot proving that you have so-and-so reputation with the organization the faction is under.
If you still get griefers, then they're definitely trying way too hard and you can laugh at them for having no life.
Or do you mean ruin the reputation of the organization in general?
So what happened to the Halloween event, was it not planned for this patch or is it coming later?
I know Im not the only one hyped for it.
I know Im not the only one hyped for it.
Yes I was wandering as well about the Halloween event, when will it come out then?
they should have had it for the entire month of october but seeing the rebundling taking place the patch would take days to finish..
Update for the Halloween event comes later.
Pretty sure I replaced the Niobe RSI with a different one of the Merv combat sim. We had that conversation in a previous thread but that was so, like, a week or so ago.
No new quest this time, it was a short 5-week period anyway, that ended up being another week or so shorter due to rebundling issues...blech. Closest thing I got to do to a quest was improving the buffs on the weaker archive items.
Pretty sure I replaced the Niobe RSI with a different one of the Merv combat sim. We had that conversation in a previous thread but that was so, like, a week or so ago.
No new quest this time, it was a short 5-week period anyway, that ended up being another week or so shorter due to rebundling issues...blech. Closest thing I got to do to a quest was improving the buffs on the weaker archive items.
Are there any other interesting undocumented changes you can tell us about? Did the weapon skin improvements you were talking about make it into this patch?
No, I just started on that today, and the specular map is giving me some strange problems. Hm, maybe this is why they didn't have them before. =p
ZaneZavin wrote:
Just turn org names off, then it won't hurt your rp
Im refering to a situation where say a zionist is captured and brainwashed by say cypherites. RP wise that Zionist would leave their current faction and join the cypherites (machine faction).
What this change unintentally is doing is closing avenues in RP that would require someone to switch orgs by entering a faction for whatever reason. I honestly dont believe that the devs realized that when they decided to make this fix. All I am asking is that there be another step to the rep reset thing, as like I said actually flagging up in pvp would cause the reset, not the actual switching of orgs.
Id really like to hear from a dev if they would be willing to address this concern.
Simple solution -- allow players to flag hostile to all orgs.
Nice to see antibiotic stacking is being fixed....what about that other antibiotic exploit...
IIRC I suggested you replace Niobe with Seraph. If the change was made, Mervs. can thank me later. =D
A sleepwalker? What's so special about a guy in blue jeans?.. Anyone?..
I think that the crew thing is bs i mean i'm not a org hopper myself but i have zion rep but i'm in a merv crew, and i have a zion key which i wont be able to use because my zion rep goes down to -5 is that correct?
the rep grind is really not that hard i went from max zion almost to postive machine in about a week with doing infiltration missions on easy and just doing ur basic objectives n not trying to kill as many npcs
Ha, us Machinists get the best sims.
I'm kinda nervous about such a large patch being done on a Friday, especially with something like rebundling two primary districts. You know there will most likely be some hotfixes with that, hopefully nothing too game breaking.
Org-hopping fix is a very welcome change.
I'm kinda nervous about such a large patch being done on a Friday, especially with something like rebundling two primary districts. You know there will most likely be some hotfixes with that, hopefully nothing too game breaking.
Org-hopping fix is a very welcome change.
As awesome as it looks i couldnt help but expect more from this patch.
I dunno, there still seems to be some exploits in need of fixing. Theres still a need for new 'quest' content. And theres a definate need for some polishes in AI, Animations (ESPECIALLY ANIMATIONS!), Bullet Time etc etc.
Also, what the hell ever happened to the FX tone down?
Boo for an overworked understaffed MxO team. (thats in a good way btw)
Hopefully more hotfixes this time round though... yay for weekly game fixing!
Mathias wrote:
The rep changing only happens at the moment you join the crew, I think.
That means people who have say... zion rep and are in a merv crew won't be affected unless they leave the crew and join it again.
I think that the crew thing is bs i mean i'm not a org hopper myself but i have zion rep but i'm in a merv crew, and i have a zion key which i wont be able to use because my zion rep goes down to -5 is that correct?Only if you leave the crew and join it again.
The rep changing only happens at the moment you join the crew, I think.
That means people who have say... zion rep and are in a merv crew won't be affected unless they leave the crew and join it again.
Am I the only one not excited/paranoid over the Unlimits spreading to the other districts? This should make Mara C even more of a warzone than it was before. 
Sounds great. The fix to org-hopping is a welcome change!!
And we RP'ers can use our imaginations for storylines like you've mentioned. After all, that's what we're good at.
I'm stoked about kickin' Morpheus' butt.
perfect Im out of school tomorrow so I'll have plenty of time to git the green codes then go fight a twin and bribe someoen to take me to kill the Assassin...woot cant wait go devs!
I will be glad to see the end of the antibiotic stacking and org-hopping!
Illyria
This is good news. So people will no longer be able to drop their tag at the site of a TC member anymore. I am going to enjoy slapping "Kid" around.
Walrus, Rarebit I am telling you we have had our most fun when you changed the loot in 01. People were coming back to the game for that. All you have to do is just change the drop like every 2 or 3 months and have it on rotation. Keep the machine parts and TM drops the same. Just change what the item we receive is. Rotate from a jacket, to shoes, to gloves, to pants, to hats, to shirts, etc....
A simple change like this will keep people active and busy for a long time.