Image Retrieval - September 27, 2006

I actually agree with Chuui it is ALOT of work for an item which lasts for 60seconds, and break the storyline? One of my own personal events involved using the flame virus to show something, and  found the flame virus effects timer was vey annoying when it came to it. What would be so wrong with making the timers on these unlimited lasting or at least be able to reappply the items when they are about to run out? would it destroy th game? would it make baby neo cry? what?

-Hutchie

But these are story-breaking 'fun' items, as such they should have restrictions on spamming. Which the timers do.

Agreed.

If you don't want them you don't have to do the missions.  No one is forcing you to.  You can, instead, get the System Glasses and Demon Coat.  They are a Novelty that is all and I'm glad I did the x amount of missions to get mine, no matter what timer they have on them.

Story breaking? In all honesty, who actually cares?

I do.  I care more about the storyline than I do about game mechanics.  I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

Chuui wrote:

Pointlessly high timers with a pointlessly low usage time do not make these items fun. It makes them a novelty. One that soon gets old.

They would get older even quicker if everyone were running around constantly on fire, and you know that's what would happen.  The only people that would seem "unique" would be the people that weren't on fire.  The current re-use timer helps prevent this. 

The "Virus" rewards are already a novelty.  Giving us the ability to use them whenever we want, for however long we want, would cause them to lose their novelty more than anything.

Five minutes really isn't that long.

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Chuui wrote:

Story breaking? In all honesty, who actually cares?

I do.  I care more about the storyline than I do about game mechanics.  I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

*raises hand*

Also, on the subject of the items, they were never intended as the 'goal' of the mission archive. They were there as a novelty, as a little 'congrats' gift, as a nice FX which is somewhat significant to the story chapter.

The point of the archive isnt to get these little items, the point of the archive is to experience the story already past.

Wait, what? You want the devs to remove the little gifts because you think players should have a better reason to run the missions? So there being nothing 'hard', not even rarebit's little 'yay you did it' items, is motivating for players now?

The point of the items, the reason rarebit added them, was to have some cool little effects for people to pick up for experiencing the story from all angles and they fufill that perfectly fine the way they are while at the same time preventing effect spam.

Wait, what? You want the devs to remove the little gifts because you think players should have a better reason to run
the missions? So there being nothing 'hard', not even rarebit's little 'yay you did it' items, is motivating for players now?

No. No. No. *sigh* You are missing the point entirely. And I have already explained the point in more posts than I care to repeat.

The point of the items, the reason rarebit added them, was to have some cool little effects for people to pick up for experiencing the story from all angles and they fufill that perfectly fine the way they are while at the same time preventing effect spam.

Again you are purposely failing to comprehend the point I am making. And again I no longer care to try and explain it to you. Even the wall to my left understands the point I am making better than you. And it too doesn't agree. (it thinks the items should have a 5 minute usage timer and a one minute cool down timer. I think it's being unrealistic).

Well sorry for apparently not understanding what you're trying to get across.

So far all i've got is you want timers changed, you think it will make the items more worthwhile, you think that effect spamming won't increase for some reason, you dont care about the story repurcussions (the recent live event posts filled with people mysterious on fire anyone?) and you think if the timers arn't changed the items should be removed from the game.

I disagree on all accounts.

What is there to not understand?

Well sorry for apparently not understanding what you're trying to get across.

So far all i've got is you want timers changed, you think it will make the items more worthwhile, you think that effect spamming won't increase for some reason, you dont care about the story repurcussions (the recent live event posts filled with people mysterious on fire anyone?) and you think if the timers arn't changed the items should be removed from the game.

I disagree on all accounts.

What is there to not understand?

Heh, theres a lot i'd like to see added/changed in the items themselves.

I mean the flame virus has absolutely nothing to do with chapter 1, i'd much rather have seen the green sprite from Morpheus' code bombs.

That actually means something to the chapter.

Same with the fly storm.

The items should be related to their chapter, not some random FX pulled from a hat. Thats why im actually pleased to see the code eyes. Now just to go over the old ones...

Green eye's...yeah why not?

Chuui wrote:

Story breaking? In all honesty, who actually cares?

I do.  I care more about the storyline than I do about game mechanics.  I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.

Chuui wrote:

Pointlessly high timers with a pointlessly low usage time do not make these items fun. It makes them a novelty. One that soon gets old.

They would get older even quicker if everyone were running around constantly on fire, and you know that's what would happen.  The only people that would seem "unique" would be the people that weren't on fire.  The current re-use timer helps prevent this. 

The "Virus" rewards are already a novelty.  Giving us the ability to use them whenever we want, for however long we want, would cause them to lose their novelty more than anything.

Five minutes really isn't that long.

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These items aren't necesarily storybreaking if they have an unlimited use time. It's easy to use these in storylines.

Not only that, but I don't use any of my virus items for the fact that there is no point using them if they only last 1 minute. After about 10 uses, they no longer intereste me. How could they? All they are now is a waste of space, therefore, a waste of time it took to make them.

I wonder how many people are even interested in getting one of this item. I'm not entirely sure I'd be bothered spending the time it takes to get it.

Wait does this mean we have to do the criticals we just done again to get this item im confused

The flame virus was in the Beta AND in an event with the Assassin, Enmascarado and Niobe... but not in chapter one.

O I DONT REMEMBER ANY OF THAT I MUST BEEN UNDER A ROCK SUM WHERE

"yes, you do. You also will have to do the 5 criticals from the other 2 organizations as well (so 15 total).  It's just like the requirements for the Flame Virus, Fly Virus, Fly Storm, and Blue Headlamp."

It's approx. 45 missions in total to get your 1 minute effect. Each chapter is split into three sub chapters (5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 in this case) each sub chapter has approx. 15 missions in total (usually five per organisation). You will need to run all those missions to get the item. Lets say that you can run each critical mission at six mins. a go (highly unlikely really), but if you could it would take you about four and a half hours to run all of them. It's more likely to take you around ten to 15 minutes per mission depending on hostile spawns, difficulty level (which is randomly selected) and total mission phases. So really you're looking at around seven to eight hours of missions in order to get a 1 minute effect which you can use only around 12 times an hour. Hmm. Fun.

Edited because these forums are crap.