No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

#36300049516 09/14/2006 21:16:05 No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Yet another silent Hacker nerf once again to accuracy. Just when it was feeling tolerable to be a hacker again another silent nerf to Viral accuracy in update 46.1

All the hacker haters can rejoice again. Meanwhile snipers, gunmen and MKTs rule the server.

Dont you just love being killed in 2 sniper shots, yeah 1200 freefire damage without exploits. 2000+ damage full auto redux. I can say no more really. Balance in MXO is F ing a joke.

Hacker once again the "support class" all the haters so wish it to be. If you can even call it that.

Im glad that this was such a priority with all the other REAL problems still out there.

#36300050441 09/16/2006 04:57:33 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

I don't think they nerfed viral accuracy in update 46.1. Maybe you had a bad day or your opponents finally know how to play against hackers? My hacks hit as often as before. And Numalink (dunno if she is spellt this way, but she is also a member of DM) did quiet well with hacker too SMILEY

Meanwhile snipers, gunmen and MKTs rule the server.

Are you playing on a different server? At the moment I see more and more hackers running around.
Snipers, gunmen, MKTs - thx god they are easy to beat for hackers.

Dont you just love being killed in 2 sniper shots, yeah 1200 freefire damage without exploits.
Ballistic Resi 4TW

Hacker once again the "support class" all the haters so wish it to be.
I get enough kills in 1on1s or outnumbered.

#36300050493 09/16/2006 07:00:58 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

I've been meaning to ask a level 50 MA or gunner what their accurcacy is to compare it with ours, but haven't gotten around to it. I love AoE attacks and I will keep my main RSI a hacker. My other 2 are MAs, but I might switch one of them to spy or gunman. I haven't noticed any decreased accuracy from the last patch. After I switch loadouts or clothes, I often need to drop my buff and switch to self defense then back to hacker style and reactivate my buff to update my accuracy or any bonus changes. I received a pair of level 50 male viral accuracy and damage 2% shades if any of you guys would like a copy.

Your friendly Recursion Coder,

MrMatador

#36300050725 09/16/2006 12:41:31 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Well perhaps I jumped to conclusions but something definatly feels different with VA in interlock.

Infect area and code infection seem VERY hard to hit in interlock as opposed to before.

It might not be very noticable to hackers that are perhaps avoiding IL, I definatly feel a difference in IL though.

#36300050822 09/16/2006 16:16:24 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Sometimes it is difficult to win a round in IL. Try using UI Lag 1.0 to lower their CT or Plague Zone to at least inflict some damage while you are taking some also. If I loose a few rounds, I occasionly put on Reactor Glasses that have 2% melee defense bonus to boost my defenses.

MrMatador

#36300050846 09/16/2006 16:44:57 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

MrMatador1 wrote:

Sometimes it is difficult to win a round in IL. Try using UI Lag 1.0 to lower their CT or Plague Zone to at least inflict some damage while you are taking some also. If I loose a few rounds, I occasionly put on Reactor Glasses that have 2% melee defense bonus to boost my defenses.
MrMatador

Yeah, I totally agree its very difficult to hack in IL anyway kind of so I am suspecting maybe the problem actually lies in UI lag 1.0

I always use UI lag 1.0 immediatly in IL and it doesnt seem to make ANY diff now. I did some more testing this afternoon and there is definatly something diff about IL hacking but im not positive the exact cause. Seems like something was either adjusted or is currently bugged.

I usually have Area infect or a code infection cued as I activate a plague zone. Now it seems like even with the effects of UI lag, AI or CI is usually countered. At first i suspected activating plague zone was the cause and was stopping the infections, but i have noticed that they can still be cued, but CI and AI are much easily countered than they were.

Aside from that I was wrong about overall VA nerf but something is different about IL hacking with these abs. I know most players dont agree that IL hacking should even be possible but I disagree. Im ONLY intrested in interlock hacking, as despoiler is not what it was in CR1.

Despite contrary belief I think that at least one interlock hacker build should exist in one form or the other.
Im sure alot would disagree with me which might be the reason for a possible adjustment, it wouldnt be the first time either.

#36300051235 09/17/2006 03:14:47 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

i havent really noticed anything i got 230 ballistic and melee resistances so im never getting them awsome *CENSORED* damages even from sniper shots and only solid mas can compete with there hard *CENSORED* defenses compared with my accuracy other than that i havent noticed a thing since the patch.

#36300051672 09/17/2006 16:23:31 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

I hear ya Ignition, I too think something was happened to Accuracy and because of that and a few other things i have switched trees. Yep, after nearly two years of being nothing but a hacker i have switched, i just can't take the glaring imbalances any longer.

#36300065776 10/06/2006 11:13:38 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Hackers definately need a few base points of accuracy more than what they have now.

It still seems to be that hackers must put on clothes to increase vir accuracy just to hit a reasonable number of times, while an MA can get away with next to none, and focus on their resistances.

However it does seem that hackers got a vir accuracy boost a few updates ago, I think we could use a few more points 10 or so by default.

#36300067853 10/09/2006 07:50:02 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Lol i hardly wear any VA while fighting and i pwn people just the same... i mean ya fair enough along with my resistance has accuracy or damage with it but not as much as if i was to equip wat i would agaist another hacker... Honestly no matter what they do to hacker im always gonna be able to win with it... u just gotta use the load right.

#36300068898 10/10/2006 11:09:08 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Try hitting a martial artist who has hyper-deflect running, as well as a sakura bandana and maybe a troll's hide or some other such little buff. When the martial artist is using block or grab (as I tend to do), it doesn't happen very often. But then, that's about on the same level as other martial artists or spies - if I have the respective hypers running, they won't hit me very often either. The only people who can get away with lots of hits in a row against a martial artist are gunners - snipers have gigantic acc buffs, and duelists have enough initiative bonuses that EVEN while I'm blocking, they can routinely hit 5 specials in a row. It isn't that there's no love for hackers - there is, and I'm getting to that - it's just that there may be a little too much love for certain other trees. Ahem, ahem.

Hackers have made a comeback since the last patch - I don't know whether something changed, or people just realized a new little way to do things, but the constant spam of plague zones and infectious codes (that's right, something did change - their D.O.T.) is starting to become routine in PvP. Now I just wish they'd fix the FM tree so I can use it the way it was meant to be used.. SMILEY

#36300068901 10/10/2006 11:10:33 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

oh dear god what have i done...............................

#36300069064 10/10/2006 14:13:25 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

i recently switched one of my alts to hacker. He only has a reason of 10 and has close to the same hit rate as my 50.

MrMatador

#36300072531 10/15/2006 04:27:22 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

i have recently checked with a friend of mine who restated for hacker and put their points in the accuracy atrib.

then i checked it against mine as i only have 15 pts in accuracy.

then i did a double take.

theres only 10 points of accuracy in the diffrence from a half leveled and fully leveld accuracy atrib (sry cant rember the one off the top of my head, think its reason or percep)

but that either means that its accuracy at 15pts is insanley high (*cough yeah right) or it has the lowest max accuracy of any class, which i didnt need to check the numbers to realise.

and it being the only tree where 90% of its passive abilities have no value to someone acctually trying to hit someone else with hacks makes it all the more obvious.

i mean hacker is supposed to be the tree that is good at taking out mkt's and assassins but its currently the one that takes the most damage from them.

#36300072753 10/15/2006 13:21:11 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

It's true. I am his friend. It is reason phay. My accuracy as a hacker is 119 -120 tops WITH clothes and 30 reasona and full lvled ravager destroyer and one tht I cant remmeber. His accuracy was like 100-105. just no fair. I am old school hacker and havent played as such in months. I want the nerf nerfed! Don't nerf hackers, NERF SPY, GUNMEN.

#36300072795 10/15/2006 15:08:04 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Clothes do not buff the "Accuracy" stat as stated in the combat tab. Putting on clothes that say "Accuracy Bonus" does not have any effect on the Combat Tab of your Character info, but the bonuses are still applied somewhere along the line. I just wish I knew exactly where. Speaking of, maybe I can go find a way to ask a dev and settle the 'initiative' question once and for all.

#36300072875 10/15/2006 17:55:24 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Fatmop wrote:

Clothes do not buff the "Accuracy" stat as stated in the combat tab. Putting on clothes that say "Accuracy Bonus" does not have any effect on the Combat Tab of your Character info, but the bonuses are still applied somewhere along the line. I just wish I knew exactly where.

At the bottom of your bonuses tab you should have Viral Accuracy Bonus xx%
that % is added onto your starting viral accuracy..

e.g.
you start with 100 viral accuracy (not displayed to my knowledge)
you have 25% viral accuracy bonus (displayed as Viral Accuracy Bonus in bonuses)
your new viral accuracy is 125 (displayed as Viral Accuracy in bonuses)

you start with 110 viral accuracy (not displayed to my knowledge)
you have 10% viral accuracy bonus (displayed as Viral Accuracy Bonus in bonuses)
your new viral accuracy is 121 (displayed as Viral Accuracy in bonuses)

#36300072886 10/15/2006 20:01:56 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

Most definitely not true as I tested it with melee clothing. Started off with base Melee Acc 140 or so. Added 10% melee acc buff clothing. Checked the tab, Melee Acc stayed at 140.

#36300098643 11/18/2006 11:49:25 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

havent i been saying this for a few months now? add about 7-8 pts to hacker style and 3-6 pts to each lvl 50 title buff upgrade, depending on which one. that wont add much unless you specialise your stats, and if you do, then you SHOULD get nice bonuses, same as anyone in any other class.

one of these days you guys will learn to listen to me.

baseline kfgm accuracy with NO clothes but max stats is +146 i think, id have to check my notes. im still one of the best cr2 hackers and i still cant get it to +140 i believe.. dunno, ill piddle with it again some time.

#36300099813 11/20/2006 05:34:29 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

agreed qalso there are still usless buffs on most of the hacker title buffs and passives like "melee accuracy" and "melee damage"

what kind of hacker will ever use those

???????????

ill tell you what kind... the dead kind SMILEY

#36300127762 12/25/2006 19:53:54 Re:No love for Hackers :( and Im completly over this

About the only reason for those passive bonuses is to make your debuffs more effective.