19 posts · 2006-08-15 07:36:55 to 2006-11-27 12:42:14
I dont think ive seen much talk about the kid in the present sence, IE MXO.
What do you think the kid is? Is he so true to Neo's teachings that hes like the deciples were to christ? Where what he says is to be taken like the words of Neo?
Or is he a persent day fanatical crusader whos motto is if you are not with us you are against us for every redpill that is not EPN?
Is he somewhere in between the two?
discuss.
Personally, I believe The Kid is being used as a figure head, because, let's be honest, he's a noob, he's greener than the code of the Matrix. He is one of the first documented humans to wake up without a pill, he trans-substantiated.
Neo denies being responcible for this, he's the one who got into contact with the kid, but he didn't pull him out, the kid did it all by himself. The Kid suffers from Hero Worship, a worship that goes on even after his Hero is dead.
The Kid later becomes a hero in his own right by opening the bay doors and allowing the hammer to stop the first wave of the machine attack.
So now the people of Zion have declared him a Hero, which makes makes his opinion (a dangerous thing in the wrong hands) more important to the masses. Of course, he thinks Neo is a god, or a savior, or something along that line. Neo denies this for the most part, but, of course, people think he's just being modest.
I think the Kid got into more than he could handle, However, Shimada is something interesting. She seems to know what she's doing, also interesting to note that she is one of if not THE only EPN member to not dress like Trinity or Neo.
I've always seen The Kid as someone that no one knows the full story of. Today was a perfect example. So often people over look that he actually did know Neo. Spent 6 months with him and would have had time to get to know him. While the idol worship may have annoyed Neo he still was his friend in a way.
Next to Trinity and Morpheus the Kid probably knows Neo the best. All of there deaths shook him and he started looking for a purpose. he found it and that was defending neos memory and sharing his ideas with others.
Sadly however the org he runs has gotten a very bad rap due to leaked info and everyone thinking it was the Morph org. Then a dev screws up with code bombs and the TaeCross thing didn't help any. But if you go back and look you will see that The Kid never speaks ill of any group other then the Cypherites and is hardly a fanatic in his faith in neo. While it may seem a bit overboard at times he's still a good guy and nothing like what people seem to make him out to be.
So no he isn't exactly a disciple but he is defiantly an apostle of Neo and despite his age is a good leader.
Definately a fanatic. I have a feeling that he's so blinded by his hero worship of Neo that he doesn't quite *get* why the One did what he did and chose what he chose. Neo sacrificed himself ultimately to save both the Real and the Matrix from each other, but from what I can tell, the Kid seems to have missed this completely. He's as bad as the Cypherites, for the complete opposite reason. And there's one little Merv girl who'd be happen to enlighten him first with a round-house punch, then with a tongue-lashing.Not a fanatic, a man with a purpose. Although this purpose may be frowned apon by many
When Pluribus Neo was officially formed, he did release a few code bombs himself, as seen in a critical mission.
He's young and naive. Technically, he should already be dead. I don't believe he truly knew the purpose of what Neo and the One stood for. The fact of the matter is, that his organization gives EPN a very bad rep, and that reflects on the Kid. He's not meant to be a leader, and doesn't have the same qualities and expterise in the Matrix as someone like Morpheus.
To be honest, what has he really done since the truce, besides being a nuisance?
The Kid believes he's doing what Neo would have wanted. But what he believes Neo would have wanted and what Neo actually would have wanted aren't necessarily the same thing. Also, he's attracted alot of dangerous people to his group -- fanatics who don't care about the truce and who don't care if they murder bluepills if it means they can get what they want...whether it's Neo's body, an end to the Matrix, or a mass awakening of those in their pods.
The Kid is a rallying point for those redpills who want to go back to the old, pre-Truce ways. They look at the Machine civilization as The Enemy, the same way the US used to look at the Soviet Union or al Qaeda looks at the West. They need this enemy to fight and struggle against, because that's how they define themselves -- by what they are not, by what they fight against. It all falls apart if the enemy somehow becomes a friend.
Without an Enemy, they are nothing.
Illyria
Spoken like a true Toaster-lover. Tell me, Illyria, what was the price of your soul?
Among the things you got wrong: Michael would never knowingly endanger the lives of any Sleepers, as they are the very ones we are trying to save. And if I ever received an order to do so, I would walk away from my service to EPN without so much as a backward glance.
And one thing you got right (somewhat): the Machines are the Enemy. You see, the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to make everyone forget he existed. And the greatest trick the Machines ever pulled was to convince Humanity of their "sincere" desire for peace and co-existence.
The Truth is out there. It is searching for you. It will find you if you let it.
((OOC: The Kid is an idealist and a dreamer, as was obvious in The Animatrix: Kid's Story. I will admit that his cause does attract the more . . . radical of personalities, although not much worse or more radical than some of the people in other organizations. 
But he isn't a terrorist. After all, it was Morpheus who started the code bombing, long before The Kid started EPN. But, EPN is not a war-mongering group. They are simply about the truth. The Kid thinks that the people in the Matrix should be given a conscious choice, not the subconcious one that the system relies on to work. We feel that the subconscious choice is still slavery; even though the Machines are not stopping everyone from waking up, they are certainly working hard at avoiding it.))
When we stray from our individual paths we tend to cling to things that can fixate on, this fixation in turn is substituted for the path that is dicated by your nature, and can blind one to their true nature and hence their true path.
I believe Neo would not have wanted "disciples". In that fact is the lesson.
You follow your path, do what must be done and live with the consequences not avoid them.
To be passionate about something is not wrong if its your nature to be so, however there in lays the danger, as to much of anything can become harmful.
Cheers all
<=is not sure, but thinks he may have just gotten spanked?))
The kid is like all of us. He believes in something. He believes in it very strongly. He believes that he knows what Neo wanted us to do mainly because of a perception he had of Neo and his beliefs.
Who are we to decide that he is wrong? Do we know more about what Neo wanted that he? We think we do, but we don't really. He is a fanatic. He is a crusader and above all, he is our little brother. As misguided as we may believe he is, his innocence remains true.
His view is changing as times goes by. Not because of persuasion but because of experience. He's now seeing things from the eyes of someone inside, rather than the more idealistic eyes of someone from outside. Things change when your hands are soiled. He's learning that first hand.
Just like the One did.
