Vampyre RP, ookami, <edited>, blooddrinkers, etc..

..why?

this is not Underworld Online. what in the flying hell are vampires (and 16 yr old kids pretending to be vampires) doing in the matrix? toward the end of the night, at the last mech meet/greet, area chat was full of *doing this with blood* and *doing that with whoever's life force* and *soft sensual sexual innuendos that are only sensual if youre a vampire drinking blood* and so on.

this is lame.

put the matrix back into mxo. im not the first one to say that. no, thats not a reference to hackers.. duh, its a computer system, mxo = hax, deal with it. however, since the hell when are ghosts and goblins any significant part of the storyline? i realise its a cheapo method to garner a broader fan base, but come ON.

would the devs pls consider talking to chadwick to ask him to downplay the lupine/vampire/werewolf/hobbit thing from now on?

for the record, i LOVE kate beckinsale and i want to do lots of unchristian things to her. oh yes.. with ketchup, pls. this doesnt stop me from laughing at dumbasses ingame with names like "VampireSelene" and such tho. ppl usually cite the scene in reloaded with the lupines and such.. BIG DEAL!#$ persephone herself was saying that theyre just bookends, kept around for the sake of keeping them around.. a holdover from an earlier version of the matrix. k great. lose the witches and warlocks, and lets have more guns =D

The developers and big wigs of MxO have no power over those RPing as vampires and werewolves. For all I care, I could make an alt as a Fairy and spam "Hey! Look! Listen! Hey!" whenever and there's nothing they could do about it. Well, maybe suspend for spamming..

And as for NPCs as Vampires and Werewolves...without them, the Matrix would be nothing but humans and human-type Machines praddling about. BORING.

I'm all for more non-humanoids in the Matrix.

More player organisations isnt supported either, but its needed and in the storyline.... >.>

(just saying that if something isnt in the games' engines/mechanisms, it can still be a part of the game)

It's nice to see players trying to be creative usually. But they need to keep in mind that only programs/Exiles which exist only within the Matrix and can therefore change their shell and how they can act according to the rules and limits of the Simulation at will can be seen as Vampires or Werewolves, et cetera.

Like the Oracle said: "Any time someone claims to have seen vampires or angels [...] that's a program doing something it's not supposed to."

I really dislike when players who acted human before say that they were bitten by a werewolf or vampire program in the Matrix and it changed their RSI... Just doesn't seem correct in my eyes.

No, I don't think a vampire can just get bored and change his shell do a lupine's. After all, these Exile species have their communities and leaderships -- would Malphas talk about his "brat" if all of his subordinates could aswell change to lupines or succubi in no time?
The question how tight an exile individual is tied to his appearence is worth discussing, but I think some extent is there.

Obviously that breaks down into OOC replies of a player, since IC replies more or less tends to be about how good/bad you are are potraying what you are trying to be.

OOC is where the true nature of a personality reflects.

Though choice of what you want to be from a OOC perspective to be IC is what would reflect on the actual personality I would think.

Stack wrote:

For the record, Persephone's line was as follows:

"My husband keeps them because they're notoriously difficult to terminate."

That means that he keeps them as bodyguards because they're tough for the Merovingian's enemies to kill, not because they're useless relics of an older version of the Matrix.

Ah... I've felt the whole time that there was something inaccurate with the "kept around for the sake of being kept around" part, but didn't bother to check it and just let it stand.

Another minus point for Cryshal

When was the last time they actually had an event for the vampires and werewolfs? Oh about a little over a year ago when they tried to rebel.

Look, they are part of the storyline, the actual LET characters that are lupine and blood drunk are rarely seen these days and further more its RP. The day the devs say you cant RP the way you like (such as how you conduct your character) is the day MXO will die. If you dont like the RP try the following:

• Leave the room.
• Ignore the chat partaining to that all togeather
• Join the RP as a hunter (serously, you dont like the vampires? Become a vampire hunter)
• and if you really cant stand it, change servers

I dont RP a vampire or Lupine myself but ive met some people who do it quite tastefully nor flaunt it. I also dont let it get to me. If you cant stand it, remove yourself from the situation, dont dictate to people what they can or can not do for their RP. As many people love to say, its their $15 a month, they are entitled to RP the way they want.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is just silly at this point.  It's been discussed time and again, and the truth is that the only real solution is to let bygones be themselves.  As long as I remain in this game, I can assure you that htere will always be at least one drinker being played.

~V

I dont RP a vampire or Lupine myself but ive met some people who do it quite tastefully nor flaunt it. I also dont let it get to me. If you cant stand it, remove yourself from the situation, dont dictate to people what they can or can not do for their RP. As many people love to say, its their $15 a month, they are entitled to RP the way they want.

My own opinion is that if people wish to RP as a certain type of character, so be it. It is a game and people will get their fun in many different ways.

However when it does come to down key storyline instances every individual needs to understand what they are, and that is a redpill, a human freed from the Matrix and now working inside it for a particular organisation. Though I can't say ive read all material published about the Matrix , im not sure a redpill could suddently become a exile program.

Oh and Aqua, you must not have been around when Invalesco was here.

Invalesco said he could turn people into vampires but I think he got killed before it happened Maybe he was lying or trying to trick redpills hehe

I don't think we will ever know, especially since we found out that whole event is what the old team came up with on their own outside of the main story or whatever, so I will go on the belief that it isn't possible!

Aqua wrote:

My own opinion is that if people wish to RP as a certain type of character, so be it. It is a game and people will get their fun in many different ways.

However when it does come to down key storyline instances every individual needs to understand what they are, and that is a redpill, a human freed from the Matrix and now working inside it for a particular organisation. Though I can't say ive read all material published about the Matrix , im not sure a redpill could suddently become a exile program.

Aqua has exactly the same attitude I do about this. Player RP is nothing that big, and I really don't care what you do as long as you don't godmod.

Unless Rarebit recognizes you as such, I will not call you an exile in the middleof a live event.

Unless you're Void.

Oh and Aqua, you must not have been around when Invalesco was here.

o0o0o, roukans a bit touchy lately. i think we all know why tho. and as for zeroone..

difficult to terminate? so they MUST be pretty badass. SO hardcore, in fact, that a woman in a dress shot one right there, and that was that. SO hardcore, that when neo came strolling in, everyone BUT the lupines and vampires were called in.. hm.

they were kept around as they were likely more trouble to be rid of them than it was to keep them. and thats just from a practical perspective. if in fact the mero is as powerful as hes portrayed, then im sure it would be no problem for him to eliminate them. the brothers probly tossed in a lycan this and vampire that for broader fan appeal. after all, wouldnt wanna commit the sin of missing out on all the depeche mode fans.

redpill != vampire/lycan, and thats that. yes, play your game how you want, ill always back this notion up (see various references to dev-induced changes to the game dictating style of play), yes, but.. shouldnt the way someone plays the game make some kind of sense? in other words, we can 'stray' from the movies a bit, sure, but just how far?

i think some *CENSORED* running around calling me darling and asking me if they can *some freeky psuedo-sexual activity* just isnt matrixy, no matter how much spin they put on it. all the bullsh*t adolescent sophistry in the world cant make a redpill into a vampire, sorry.

but kate beckinsale sure is hot.

o0o0o, roukans a bit touchy lately. i think we all know why tho. and as for zeroone..

difficult to terminate? so they MUST be pretty badass. SO hardcore, in fact, that a woman in a dress shot one right there, and that was that. SO hardcore, that when neo came strolling in, everyone BUT the lupines and vampires were called in.. hm.

1. Pherephone killed one with a silver bullet, the kill code for that particular exile. And when the Merv came in the other brother was the first to be killed, you have to watch it a few times to catch it.

they were kept around as they were likely more trouble to be rid of them than it was to keep them. and thats just from a practical perspective. if in fact the mero is as powerful as hes portrayed, then im sure it would be no problem for him to eliminate them. the brothers probly tossed in a lycan this and vampire that for broader fan appeal. after all, wouldnt wanna commit the sin of missing out on all the depeche mode fans.

2. Well the did it anyway, like it or not, Vampire's, Lupines, Succabus, Nightmares, Ghosts, etc are part of the story line. You dont like it, hit the cancel button because they arnt going anywhere.

redpill != vampire/lycan, and thats that. yes, play your game how you want, ill always back this notion up (see various references to dev-induced changes to the game dictating style of play), yes, but.. shouldnt the way someone plays the game make some kind of sense? in other words, we can 'stray' from the movies a bit, sure, but just how far?

3. How far is determined by your grasp of the story and whats possible. I personally play as a human with an exile infesting his mind. This is backed up in story lore when Smith took over Bane. This is how I can make my claims and still be 100% bound to the games mechanics (case in point, being able to use the EJP's). And always, if a persons RP is nuts, theres nothing stoping you from taking an IC stand point that they are insane.

i think some *CENSORED* running around calling me darling and asking me if they can *some freeky psuedo-sexual activity* just isnt matrixy, no matter how much spin they put on it. all the bullsh*t adolescent sophistry in the world cant make a redpill into a vampire, sorry.

4. ..... Did you by chance miss the club hel sence in matrix 3? Or how about the merv missions that you have more then one Succubus hinting at what they would like to do to you.

Finally, you really kill your arguement by swearing and going around the censor. People would be more inclinded to debate with you if you didnt call them demeaning names or say what they do is bull. You dont like what someone does? Ignore it.

but kate beckinsale sure is hot.

Hey I hear Second Life is dying for more Vampire RP.

I'd be having to cut myself a break at the same time

Maybe the tone of the original post was a little inflammatory, but this is - in terms of MxO - a contentious topic.
There's been plenty of good, solid discussion on the matter, but then someone had to petition for it to be closed, probably because they RP a vamp and their sensibilities were tingling.
(Maybe that didn't happen, but given the timespan of the thread, all moderators saw it and didn't see anything wrong, and when Walrus intervenes it's usually down to a report somewhere)

What piddles me off on this board (going by past experiences) is that anything remotely contentious that has a relatively large backing gets shot down (by means of lobbying the Big Boss) in double-quick time.
It's almost as if people are *scared* of having a serious discussion that will inevitably throw up a flame or three.

This place would scare the hell out of them

You really don't get it do you?

Walrus is the Community Relations guy. It's his job to weigh in on issues like this.

Nor does this thread appear to be closed ... yet ...

Get your facts straight.

P.S. Due to a lack of an edit button I'd like to add this.

That arstechnica place is full of carebears.

Try http://www.firesofheaven.com/ instead.

Where real flamers live and erupt ...

well, basically. the only one around here that doesnt take themselves seriously is.. me =D

many in this thread are getting their panties tied in a square over what.. opinions? i just wanted to share mine and see how many, if any, agree. its funny how almost all the anti-something-or-other opinions i have find plenty of sympathy ingame, but when its time to step up to the plate on forum, im the lone voice of dissent on certain issues.

some ppl in this thread really need to get over themselves. if anyone has anything else to say on the subject of rp, im still willing to listen.

another thing i think alot about lately is some sort of standard convention for rp pvp, near a populated area. in the middle of some rp, its not like everyone can say k time out lets all hardline out to (somewhere) so that the usual jackasses dont jump on us just cuz we're flagged.

how to come up with a standard, universal way to let ppl in the area know that the ongoing pvp between certain ppl is rp? one problem many have is that most factions have a pvp policy citing that red = dead. this just isnt practical in some cases.

..and ill wrap this up tonite, im late for work. crap. haha i suck =D

I have to admit that I don't understand what's so cool about vampires, since my first exposure to the idea of vampires was the original legends that Bram Stoker spun/twisted into the modern vampire: the vampires of legend were elemental entities that passed as ordinary people, except that they drew off the lifeforce from people, animals, crops, etc. causing plagues and crop failure and famines.

I'd like it if more people chose to think outside the coffin -- er, box and try RPing some other kind of mythological/supernatural critter. I know one gal who RPed a ghost. What about an angel? I haven't played "The Path of Neo" yet, but I've read through the strategy guide and I seem to remember a sidebar where the Wachowski Brothers mentioned there being things like elves/faeries in the Merovingian's realm. How about a sphinx in human form, who speaks in riddles? I'd do it myself, but I've been playing my character as a straight human and I don't see how I could turn her into anything like that. ...Though she *is* fond of mucking around in the water, so it's possible I could turn her into a water nymph. I just don't know how that could happen, at least at this point.

Anytime I see someone RPing a vampire or other supernatural entity, I always just see him/her as a Redpill who has embraced the culture of a myth and decided to dedicate him or herself to mimicking the superstitions and traditions set up by the mythology. Perhaps people encounter a blooddrunk or whatever and are so captivated by its lifestyle that they're inspired to make themselves in that image - say people who love a legend like Star Wars so much they dress as closely as they can to Luke Skywalker and actually try to harness the power of the Force (Oh, they're out there.) Even today, in this day and age, people are enamored by the vampire mythos. A myriad of movies and shows are produced based on the old tales of blood-drinking undeads, and there's a growing subculture of people who go to clubs and such in the fashion of vampires. Hell, there have been cults that carry out grotesque acts in the name of "vampiredom", such as sacrificing innocent victims and drinking their blood. So for me, it's not hard at all to believe a Redpill who is into the whole scene would desire to carry out his virtual life in this manner. Perhaps for intimidation; perhaps for a sense of mystery; perhaps to just fulfill a fantasy. Whatever the reason, it's their prerogative.

Now, far be it for me to say that an Awakened couldn't somehow have his or her RSI corrupted in such a way that they exhibit actual properties of a vampire or lupine when jacked into the System. I can't find a concrete reason to dismiss it completely. I just don't think it's proper to the story - or decent roleplay - to pass yourself off as an actual blooddrunk or Succubus, who adheres strictly to the rules of the superstitions (i.e., must be killed by wooden stakes, are here to devour my soul). It is because of this I try to observe supernatural RPers in the way I explained, not as Stoker's Dracula.

Ok..

    Blooddrinkers and Lupinies are ok.. ((with me anyway, not for the author of this thread though))       But acting like a vampire?? Arent we supposed to be redpills from when we are awakened??? *sigh*

  Keep it real guys, we are redpills, not vampires.. *sigh* dumbasses..

aye. redpill != vampire. a redpill is a human who jacks in from time to time and has no bigger fangs than i do. theoretically, the appearance and any other trait of an RSI could be modified ad infinitum.. this could explain things like fangs, long scary black capes, tophats, and various other psuedo-goth gayness.

but, it doesnt. cuz no ingame redpills have fangs or cybernet eyeballs or whatever. sorry d0odz. no blood sucking for j0o. granted, there could be something implemented in the future which would let us change at least the basics such as RSI haircolor. but, things like fangs or cybernetic stuff etc that revolve around rp depend too much on artist time for models, i guess. bottom line its just never gonna happen, at this rate.

when these guys have to recycle old missions into new content, i dont see any vampire fangs, cats claws, or robot arms in the near future for us. now if they were to take some ideas (-cough- such as weapons design/storage/retrieval, antigravity) from the so-so movie with milla jovovich called Ultraviolet, thatd suit me fine and most of it would be 'matrixy,' and whos to argue. defying physics is what the matrix is about, in part.. since its not real.

all of this would make by far more sense and be more matrixy than.. blahhh! blahhhh! *swishes cape* blahhhh!

but i understand completely, O Ye Mervs. im no typical male but hey kate beckinsale can suck my blood anytime.

Well, as of the age question... mmmight be that you're right to some extent.

I'd say that generally, the maturity level does grow with the age. Big, fat zoom at "generally", because the drift from this principle can be more than significant -- as already said, there are probably (can't confirm it myself) some kids in this forum who are much more mature than some of the adults.

Yeah definitely. I've been amazed in the past to find that a guy I thought was probably 25+ was actually 13 (!!!) and near enough vice versa. It's a funny old thing ...

So, you could generally rather expect the young ones to do any kind of more or less immature actions ingame than the older ones. Now, in what way can you attach vampire RP to maturity? Yes, it can be immature, thoughtless vamp RP. It can also be thought out and intelligent (aside from being questionable in its "canon" aspect). Following the principle from above, older players would be rather expected to do the mature vamp RP, while younger ones would rather do the immature (childish) version.
On the other hand, exile RP is just a too specific topic -- basically, RP in general. There is also a ****load of other things, ooc, that can be judged after maturity. And thus, you could say that it would be rather the teens to do the immature thing than the adult ones. Probably.
And, as I said, vampire RP can be both. Is generalising really logical here?


Wannabe vampires? I haven't really made experiences with such movements, or groupations. But I do think adults can very well be parts of such -- after all, it's also not only teens taking drugs and stuff. Hmm. Also, I don't think that playing a vampire in a game, be it smart or not, really says much about your real life preferences.

I can only speak from personal experience, so maybe I'm wholly wrong. But anyway ...
It has been my experience that a lot of the 'vampyres' in real life are disaffected teenagers. Let's be honest, it always was, is, and always will be a minefield out there for high-school people.
The onus is on looking beautiful or fading into mediocrity. The whole 'Goth' movement that gained serious ground from the time I started HS to the time I finished it was the major group that you belonged to in order to "be different" and somehow stand out other than being in the 'beautiful people' group.

Somehow, somewhere along the way, the whole 'vampyre' thing worked its way into the mix.

Everyone I've come across that is into that kind of thing (and I'm only 21, so I don't have a huge wealth of experience) is somebody attempting to break the 'mold' of what is supposedly 'expected'.

The irony is of course that now everyone is doing it, so you're leaping headlong from one faceless 'group' into another. As a friend of mine once put it "Look at me! Now I'm different, just like everybody else!"

As these people have grown up, gone to University, etc., they've tended to ditch the 'lifestyle' because they realise that you don't have to be weird/wacky/'out-there' for people to notice and respect you.

Mervs? Well, does your personality really influence your org affiliation in the game? If you're RPing to the extent of seriousness that you chose the org to work for after your character's personality, I guess it's likelier that you play a redpill (seriousness, canon and so).
If you intend to play a vampire, I guess the most logical decision is to go to the Merv anyway -- as already said, working for any other organization would be at least questionable. IC, I also thing that it's rather those redpills working for the Merovingian with the most vampire tendences.


"Most people who posted happen to be young, or merv, or wannabe vampires." (the sentence my post is about anyway).
Well, I guess I could say that I've posted here. Young? Yes, but I don't do any kind of RP whatsoever -- certainly not vamp one. Merv? Well, my Syntax character is Merv, but I hardly play with that one -- only for crits. Wannabe vamp? Nah - and I can't remember any others here, personally.

Coer wrote:

I'd be having to cut myself a break at the same time

Maybe the tone of the original post was a little inflammatory, but this is - in terms of MxO - a contentious topic.
There's been plenty of good, solid discussion on the matter, but then someone had to petition for it to be closed, probably because they RP a vamp and their sensibilities were tingling.
(Maybe that didn't happen, but given the timespan of the thread, all moderators saw it and didn't see anything wrong, and when Walrus intervenes it's usually down to a report somewhere)

What piddles me off on this board (going by past experiences) is that anything remotely contentious that has a relatively large backing gets shot down (by means of lobbying the Big Boss) in double-quick time.
It's almost as if people are *scared* of having a serious discussion that will inevitably throw up a flame or three.

This place would scare the hell out of them

You really don't get it do you?

Walrus is the Community Relations guy. It's his job to weigh in on issues like this.

Nor does this thread appear to be closed ... yet ...

Get your facts straight.

P.S. Due to a lack of an edit button I'd like to add this.

That arstechnica place is full of carebears.

Try http://www.firesofheaven.com/ instead.

Where real flamers live and erupt ...