PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

#35500000175 03/05/2006 18:47:34 PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

PvP with Ppl Using Bugs

So here we are in pvp in Mara C. Me and Keppen. We are both meros. on the machine side, obviously from vector, are 4 others, criticalxhit, ILLFACE, 2soon2late, and Tirkraft. They have 2 rifleman, a phycisian and a hacker.

Well for some reason I've yet to discover, ALL 4 of them are using lancets or stingers. While the rifleman do around 1600 per shot there, the others still do around 1k dmg. Then you have the hacker, who is obviously exploiting, using area disruption then using logic barrage/blast, where each do 1k-1500 dmg. Basically that hacker can take both of us out if we are caught in the stun very quickly. Then comes the 2 rifleman, who both use stingers and just keep shooting at us with the physician healing if they happen to get hit or rez if we get lucky enought to kill one of them.

Basically, as we already know, the hacker and those guns are bugged. Oh btw did i forget to mention, the physician can heal in the 1000s? Yes thats also bugged. Its virtually impossible to kill off these 4 with only 2 of us, and we dont have a hacker or healer. I know, these will be fixed, but the next update is really too long to wait. How can we test if people use these bugs and kill people in 2-3 hits?

Another thing, Martial Arts Prowess and Fire Arms Skill both double my damage instead of adding 25 points. This has been here forever and should have been fixed by now.

Also, someone may come and post on here saying "But Chaos, you were also using a lancet/stinger!!!"

My response to that is always "I use a lancet only on people who have used one on me, or used any other bugged things like the hacks. I never use it first( unless you have used it on me repeatedly before so i automatically hit you when you come back later ).

PvP Where Players Fight Legitamately

Now, when everyone plays nice, pvp is very fun. Even without even teams, its not too unbalanced. Keppen and I alone with rifleman loaded can take out quite a few people( not bragging ). The only problems with balance i see are:

MKT: Needs something that can stun and needs to do more damage.

Rifleman: Maybe tone down the damage a little, i can hit 500 as a regular shot with my sniper rifle(with buffs of course).

Hacker: Tone down the damage on a few things like logic cannon 2.0.

MA: Somehow make the MA fights/duels last longer, some are too short.

Sniper: Sniper shot should have a Ballistic Accuracy bonus, as you take a long time to cast it, meaning you take a while to get a good shot at a weak spot on the body. It should also do more damage.

Thats all i have to say, sorry for the long post.

Most of this is my opinion, dont flame me for anything i said here.

#35500000178 03/06/2006 01:58:37 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

See what I mean? If I don't use the Lancet/Stinger/Needler, someone else will and kill me. I'd rather use mine and kill them first. I don't use it in duels.

The Hackers aren't doing that much damage on their own. Their damage is being boosted by the Lancet/Stinger/Needler equipped. I'm not sure about the Patcher, but I think it's the same.

#35500000179 03/06/2006 02:13:49 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

The patcher damage is due to that, I think the heals are too.

#35500000181 03/06/2006 04:01:00 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

Yeah I agree, its difficult to test things in that kind of situations. I also think that the lvl 30s ~~buffs~~ bonuses of the MA tree stack. It's a pitty we can't test everyday PvP in that situation, we only can remain unflagged and test in duels with ppl that is cool enough to don't use that cheats.

#35500000182 03/06/2006 08:36:10 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

Crying for the dev.'s to give attn. to issues already /bug'd about a gizillion times hurts us all.

P.S. Stop whining it's a test server you're gonna get exploited, these issues are obviously (substitute hpoefully) not going to go live so i wouldn't worry to much about it. Although PvP is an important part of the testing the real job is to test the cr. not pwn reds w/ yer l33t hx0rs.

#35500000183 03/06/2006 12:33:46 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

yea, don't forget to add Untouchable to that list of people exploiting the bugged guns in pvp. I tried to tell them about it and they just yell at me telling me I'm trying to ruin their fun. Fun should be had, if you call testing fun that is... But really its completely puting testing on hold other than duels because they won't unequip these guns. Not only is it exploiting but its ruining the amount of time needed to test and fix all the problems and unbalances of CU2.0 PVP.

I hope that NoRepro see's this going on today and puts a stop to it cause I and others want to flag and test pvp but its stupid to even try while they use these exploits.

#35500000184 03/06/2006 20:21:53 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

First, I was a Master Assassin to begin with, then, I switched to UM/Physician so I could rez and buff my team. Next, I had my Lancet equipped automatically when I did Hindering Shot, I even said, Oh **** sorry, wrong gun.
I don't exploit, and I don't appreciate being called out on it. Next time you want to make accusations, do it in PM's, not on the boards. Now....we await the lock.

P.S. - I'm from Recursion by the way, like being from Vector makes you a bad person....you have a lot to learn about courtesy.

Message Edited by Trikraft on 03-06-200611:25 PM

#35500000185 03/07/2006 05:13:16 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

I think the word is out now about how badly those guns are bugged, including the fact that they can equip thmeselves. If you want to test clean, just take them out of your inventory by emailing them to yourself. That way, no accidental exploiting.

Anyone who uses them on purpose is ruining the point of the QA server by making it impossible for legitimate testers to get balanced results. Knock it off.

#35500000187 03/07/2006 19:11:16 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

Okay first off, there is no exploiting on a test server! Quit accusing people of exploiting, at most accuse them of not testing and interfering in real testing.

Second, I agree that interfering in testing is a crummy thing to do, and I would never do that. But were you really testing, or were you just having fun playing with the new system? Yea, I thought so.

#35500000196 03/08/2006 14:56:01 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

ya i used a lancet in a duel not knowing they are screwy the other day. i'm just going to delete the stinking thing. i'm there (like most of vector anyway) to test out builds and report teh buggz. it doesn't do me any good to use an item that won't help me on live... winning pvp on the test server for meaningless (as if they weren't meaningless anyway) cqs does nothing for me.

SO please understand i'm pvping and dueling the whole time because my future on live depends on it, as most of the vector ppl are probably doing too. the other servers are certainly welcome to do more pve if that suits them (i do that too since i'm trying to find a good farm build) and since you don't have to flag up we probably shouldn't be arguing this at all lol.

#35500000222 03/10/2006 20:21:51 Re: PvP in Mara C ( Dev's please read )

ILLFACE managed to kill someone on his own?