Update 38 Discussion Thread - MXO Forum Archive

#34800000176 11/27/2005 00:26:17 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

RemagDiv wrote:
What non-Richland/Westview loot is decaying fast? None of my clothing is decaying at a faster rate.

Many players are reporting insane stability rate loss on non-Richland/Westview unique items. You regular buffed items are not experiencing this problem, fortunately, so your all set there. However, I'm personally storing all my unique items in inventory till they fix the problem. Yet when I briefly wore Peck's Shirt tonight, which you get downtown, I lost 2 stability points, and I think my Needler lost one as well when I shot up a few npcs.

#34800000177 11/27/2005 10:32:45 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Who cares, stop trying to change the subject. Sigh. I guess I have to restate the problem since you've derailed the thread somewhat by going over minutia that's not relevant.

I didn't change the subject. It was about Update 38, and the Slums and Barrens progression is update 38 am I correct. You complained that the Bathory Boys are lower than the Crowbars. I was simply correcting you. Bathory Boys and Crowbars are the same level, which is fine since Stamos and Bathory are right next to each other and they are both (with Manssen Park) the northern most neighborhoods. This part of U38 is fine.

And the thread remains underailed by me.

And for the record I have no problem with the stability loss of collector / unique items from The Slums and The Barrens. I have no problem with re-camping or recollecting for said items. Sure it's an annoyance, but whatever. The devs wanted to phase them out and this is how they chose to go about it. *shrug*

I wasn't talking about that now. Before yes. But I took it back to subject with my last post. I was talking about the Slums and Barrens level progression not about stability loss (which for the record you brought up, pal).

But there are two problems that must be fixed:

1) Non Slums/Barrens unique / collector items breaking down at an insane rate.

I can't say as I've witnessed this even on the rare items. Susannah's fighter gloves, black widow dress, and Surefoots (which she'd rather wear than the Solids because of the look) are fine.

2) The boss drop rules prevent 50's from ever getting the rarer unique items again. Think about it. Say bye bye to Watchers Shades, Fighters Gloves, Dragonskin Wrap, Direwolf Coat, etc. If you don't believe me, check out Apoth's informative post on the subject:

And rightfully so when you think about it. For you to whine about this you would also have to complain about not being able to get into the lower level archives. Or not being able to get experience points from killing grays.

In any case I do have a solution: get a friend. If you really have your eyes set on obtaining those fighter gloves then bring a low level down their with you. If you're a level 50 despoiler and you have a REALLY low level person with you that's the best. Bring him down there with you and make him fight the boss that you have downgraded. You get lots of experience points that way as well. You may want to recall him/her there, but if not you'll have to fight through the levels for you low level buddy. That's the sacrifice you'll have to make.

I mean come on. You're whining about not being able to reap the benefits of a place intended for lower levels anyway!

#34800000178 11/28/2005 09:58:15 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Forgive me if this has been brought up in this thread already, but 13 pages of arguing is a bit much to sort through.

I am quite happy with Update 38, except for one thing: Since the
update, I have been unable to complete any mission involving Hired
Thugs, i.e. the Pandora's Box Missions that begin with Clef's Business
Card and the GPS Tracker. In both cases the game crashes about
three minutes into the mission without fail. I see this as the
largest problem induced by Update 38, and would appreciate any feedback
anyone has on it.

The_Wendigo

#34800000179 11/26/2005 12:00:19 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

So has anyone figured out how to send emails across servers?

#34800000180 11/26/2005 13:29:02 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Isn't it "Vector-Hostile.<Name>" (or maybe Vector.Hostile)

#34800000181 11/26/2005 15:05:18 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

You can send an email to any server, all you need is that users' ingame
Name. Since all the names are unique, there will never be two
"QforQ"s. So just send an email to QforQ and I would receive it.
No need to specify which server.

But, there is no way to send items or info acrossed servers. Emailing items is limited to the server your on.

#34800000182 11/28/2005 13:42:23 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

The update is good. The reflow well done. I started a new character just to see what the experience was like and can say that it is much improved with the two new collectors in Uriah to give newbs a couple pieces of good clothing to start. The reflow simply makes sense. And giving newbs tactic buffed clothes to start is a great way to introduce them to the existence and importance of tactics.

Almost all the loot from both the collectors and hideout bosses in Richland and Westview has been upgraded. I’ve lost lots of items to the accelerated decay but have had no incident of accelerated decay on any items that came from outside these two districts. That includes my Sakura Ninja Bandana, Direwolf Coat, Troll’s Hide, Dragonskin Wrap, Lancetr, Bedlam, Clamor and anything else I can’t think of off the top of my head.

Considering that the new loot is better and that most peeps who have been playing for a long time got rare drops during the great era of the respawn bug, I can’t sympathize with complaints about the decay. If the decay weren’t there, peeps would still be going after the new loot because it is better. Indeed, the decay makes perfect sense too as it phases out old lesser items (which has been done before BTW) and, without the respawn bug in the hideouts, makes ‘rare’ items more realistically rare. It also gives one more thing to do as a level 50 (which of course is the other thing so often complained about, nothing to do at level 50…blah blah blah)

As far as being level 50 and not being able to get rare drops from the lower hideout bosses…blah blah blah. I can go farm with a low level or raise info to buy the rare items from those who take the time to farm. Good for the economy and gives value to being a low level player or starting alternate characters. In many cases, the new standard drop is better than the old rare drop anyway…so the old rapidly decaying item can be easily replaced with a better one that doesn’t require a rare drop. Knowing that, why would I want to hold on to old weak stuff when new better stuff is easy to get? That’s not the case with every item but since it applies to the majority, I see no problem with the accelerated decay unless it’s affecting items not on the list (which I have not experienced).

Email is a welcome upgrade too though there have been some problems smoothing that out so I am waiting before using it heavily to move items. As far as the email format, the biggest issue is only being able to send one item at a time. That’s too inefficient as it’s still faster to transfer multiple goods using a third party.

So all in all, it’s a well thought out change that I’m happy to see. New mob boss locations and new and improved loot means new things to explore and get.

YAY! Something new and worthwhile to do.

The crashes are bad though. I’m running as good of a system as anyone and I’m getting CTD’s in missions all the time where they never happened before. Stability is a huge concern as it violates the immersion in the rudest way and often destroys a lot of good work so far accomplished.

Message Edited by r3spon5e on 11-28-2005 01:43 PM

#34800000183 11/28/2005 13:59:38 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

You people are intent upon sucking up to SOE for some reason, why I have no idea. My 2 complaints are valid and true. It's as easy fix, why are you fighting it? And no, I'm not going to level an alt solely just to camp stuff then email them to my main character who had them in the first place. You may enjoy jumping through tedious hoops for no reason, but I think a lot of people don't consider that process fun when an easy bug fix will correct the problem. And I dare say you'll be the first ones complaining when your dragonskin wrap or direwolf coat starts to go and you have no way to get it back other than to powergrind an alt for that purpose.

#34800000184 11/28/2005 18:42:29 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Villemar wrote:
You people are intent upon sucking up to SOE for some reason, why I have no idea. My 2 complaints are valid and true. It's as easy fix, why are you fighting it? And no, I'm not going to level an alt solely just to camp stuff then email them to my main character who had them in the first place. You may enjoy jumping through tedious hoops for no reason, but I think a lot of people don't consider that process fun when an easy bug fix will correct the problem. And I dare say you'll be the first ones complaining when your dragonskin wrap or direwolf coat starts to go and you have no way to get it back other than to powergrind an alt for that purpose.

Nobody's sukking up to SOE. Peeps like the update. You are flaming positive posts and neither of your complaints are valid.

Your decaying archive items need to be /ccr'd not complained about repetitively here as an opportunity to flame others.

New detection shades are better than your old watcher shades.

If you don't want to take 20 minutes to get a better pair of shades that's your choice. By all means, stop wearing the shades altogether.

Same goes for the direwolf and lionskin if they go. I'll take a better common drop over a weaker rare anytime. But that's just me I guess.

Not everything changed, and that which did not change is not decayed so it is also possible that the direwolf and others may or may not change especially since downtown is already more reasonably flowed than any other district.

No way to get it back other than powering an alt eh? Don't suppose you could buy it from someone or find a lower level player to work with? No I guess that would take info, a cooperative maybe even friendly attitude or even something as simple as considering other possibilites.

Oh well, I guess you're just stuck with yourself....

#34800000185 11/29/2005 11:54:15 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

You people are intent upon sucking up to SOE for some reason, why I have no idea.

ALRIGHT! I have had it up to here with you and other people's crap! Why would we be sucking up to SOE? Huh? Huh? Hey, buddy, you wanna answer this question? No? You don't have a good answer? No. Oh, okay, that's what I thought.

We are not buttkissing SOE! Just because we happen to be happy with U38 doesn't mean we think SOE is God and can do no wrong. So please and I say this in the kindest way possible keep your mouth shut about that okay?

I have complaints. I've made my complaints. I've posted them on the forums. So for you to accuse me and others of "buttkissing" just because we happen to like U38 is just completely stupid.

Thank you and good day.

#34800000186 11/28/2005 15:00:53 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Take the SOE related comments to SOE Discussion or Off Topic. People,
stop polluting this update discussion with mind numbing buffoonry.

The designers and developers have executed their rights here, and I applaud everything that they have done.

Please bear in mind that the designers and developers are not on the
SOE board of directors, they don't drove Aston Martin DB9's (am I wrong
team?) and they care about their work. The reflow is absolute bliss.
I've tried it with a third character on Recursion and it's great.

Item decay is welcome and will make all of us --yes myself included--
wake up and start doing things. If you can't get to the ~~hideout~~
construct anymore, then (as has been mentioned in this thread) buy the goods off
a lower level, or actually start a fresh character and get a nice
healthy stock of x5 of each item to give to your primary char.

This is going to happen in International and Downtown; that is a fact
of life and is inevitable. It's about time the designers and developers
starting injecting a little force into this game. They're now telling
us (without speaking, as such) that the game is going in X direction,
with Y changes and Z content. We haven't had much direction until
recently so I embrace this.

Update 38 (lovingly holding 37.5 to it's busom) is a joy to behold.
Huzza for Update 39, it's older, more mature brother! And huzzah for
the hotfix children!

Rsync.

P.S Huzzah for Combat 2.0, and baby walrus folk!!!

#...Clean up the Forums 2006 - Are *you* sick of it all?...#

Message Edited by Rsync on 11-28-2005 11:01 PM

Message Edited by Rsync on 11-28-2005 11:02 PM

#34800000187 11/28/2005 16:12:27 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Can I have you Widow's Moor lenses, then, since you're so dammed happy to be rid of them and other unique items? I might get a little mileage out of them before they decay.

#34800000188 11/28/2005 17:50:46 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Villemar wrote:

Can I have you Widow's Moor lenses, then, since you're so dammed happy to be rid of them and other unique items? I might get a little mileage out of them before they decay.

The widow's moor lenses are not part of this discussion. If you actually took the time to read the announcements, you would know this. Only the collector items and hideout drops in Richland and Westview were given accelerated decay.

http://mxoboards.station.sony.com/matrix/board/message?board.id=announcements&message.id=51

If you think it's a bug then /ccr it.

This thread is about update 38, not your widow's moor lenses. Thanks in advance for not reading or understanding this and continuing to make off topic posts...

Message Edited by r3spon5e on 11-28-2005 05:54 PM

#34800000189 11/28/2005 18:28:44 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

....then why are people reporting accelerated decay rates on non-Slums/Westview unique items? Read the whole thread and it's sister on Vector before you claim this topic is irrelevant.

I was a beta tester since November 2004 and I saw it as my job to report bugs. Since this is an apparent bug I feel obligated to bring it to the dev's attention. Yes I have /ccr'd and I encourage others to do the same.

#34800000190 11/28/2005 18:45:03 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Well if you're a beta player then you know all too well that the forums aren't the place to repeatedly report bugs and continue to flame people who make positive posts about an update.

If you're having a problem, I hope it gets fixed. But this ain't the way too handle it.

Message Edited by r3spon5e on 11-28-2005 06:48 PM

#34800000191 11/29/2005 02:25:52 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Great update, and i think the decay is a good thing, adds more things to do, and i agree with most others stop flaming its pointless.

as i said before great update, even if people are complaing cos they cant be bothered to get their items again, its geting better in game.

Hutchie

#34800000192 11/29/2005 08:58:50 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

I have seen the errors of my ways. What a fool I have been for pointing out two easily fixable bugs. Update 38 is the perfect, shining pinnacle of perfection; and the devs should be held on the highest golden pedestal for ever and ever. I hope they delete all unique items. In fact I hope they delete all buffed items. It's too imbalanced. Also, please reset all charcter levels to one so we can all appreciate this magnificent reflow, shining pillar of ultimate perfection.

Especially, please reflow the International and Downtown districts. I need baby steps after level thirty, Downtown and Int'l are so dang confusing! I need a connect-the-dots path to follow, God forbid I should attempt to navigate those areas on my own. Please, devs, hear my urgent call to reflow those areas so I can have a nice, pretty connect-the-dots pattern to take my baby steps in.

#34800000193 12/04/2005 16:35:30 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Villimar,

46 posts in two and a half weeks. Tell me again how you don't have time to ever visit a hideout again.

Maybe you could help me manage my time so wisely so I can earn a two start rating....

Keep it up and I'm sure you can earn the coveted "one star I'ma loser on the forums" rating.

Now that's a rare item you can boast about.

Message Edited by r3spon5e on 12-04-2005 04:37 PM

#34800000194 11/29/2005 12:08:57 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!

I DELETED MY CHARACTER, I NEED SOMEONE TO RETRIEVE IT FOR ME!!! NOOOOOO

#34800000195 11/29/2005 12:11:35 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

I WAS A 50 NAMED EXIS ON VECTOR HOSTILE, I WILL BE SOO GRATEFUL IF ANYONE CAN HELP GET HIM BACK!!!! :smileymad:

#34800000196 11/29/2005 12:13:46 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Ville I agree with you man. They need to sort this out, and I don't know if anyone else agrees with me but wouldn't it be a good idea to make a collector to trade the old items for the new attribute items? I almost quit (and im still considering) because of this. I had a 50 and deleted to level 3 characters to 50. I had one up to 40 with most of the items I needed, and then they went and did that. All of a sudden half of my items are useless. I'm a beta player too and I personally think its screwed. And as for people complaining about Villemars comments, this is the Update 38 discussion thread. Not the "Oh yay update 38 rules" thread. Everyone is allowed to express their positive and negative opinions. And something else you guys should consider. Richland and Westview was revamped for balance...International and Downtown will be next...Look forward to losing your dragonskins, and direwolfs. Oh and for balance Im assuming they will then revamp Pandoras box and Constructs...Bye bye sakura bandana and widows moore lenses. Until they have done this there is no point in relevelling a character or levelling at all for that matter. Any work you do is useless.

#34800000197 11/29/2005 12:56:02 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Thank you oranos. It is a relief to finally hear someone who recognizes that there's a problem with Update 38 that needs to be addressed. You get it.

It will be a relief to many, I'm sure, that this will be my last post on this matter.

Let me start out by stating the many, many things I like about Update 38. The reflow of the Slums is great. Perfect for new characters. I like the whole introduction process in Uriah for brand new players! I started a new character on Syntax for that purpose (so I could get my ID Card) and went through all the collectors. By doing so you end up with +3 MCT pants and a +3 RCT shirt, which is a great help to new players and btw looks hawt on a female toon! Nice job devs.

I also like the return of bit stacking, I like the new moods on gang members. And finally the elevators work normally! Great job.

I don't have a problem with the decay rates and having to recamp unique items. Although, and here's where I vary from the unconditional cheerleaders, there were reports on non-Slums / Westview items decaying at an abnormal rate. This isn't a hallucination on my part or on others' parts. This is what I've evidenced on the boards:

Liquidz stated that his Lancet was decaying at an abnormal rate.

Sugaree expressed concern about her knowledge of others who had non-S/W unique items decaying at an abnormal rate.

N3M3SIZ stated that his Sakura Bandana, Widow's Moor Lenses, and Direwolf Coat was decaying at an abnormal rate.

I mentioned that my Peck's Shirt wes decaying at an abnormal rate.

PBlade posted that his Widow's Moor Lenses died after decaying at an abnormal rate.

I'm sure if I comb the threads I can find other examples, but I won't. So bottom line it appears that some non-S/W unique items are decaying at the wrong rate. That would be what we call a bug. I /ccr'd it and hopefully that will be taken care of.

The second thing has to do with game balance. Oaranos articulates the problem well.

All I've asked is that we have a fair playing field and have an equal opportunity to aquire the rarer of the boss drops. Some of us have real lives and can't devote ten hours a day powergrinding alt characters to email stuff to our original characters who had them in the first place (I guess we have differing opinions as to what constitutes fun). This is an easily fixable game balance issue. All we ask is that we 50's aren't banished from rarer buffed items forever. Pease don't punish us 50's who worked very hard (especially on a hostile server) to get where we are today. All we ask is for is a level playing field.

Thanks.

#34800000198 11/29/2005 16:57:42 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

unconditional cheerleaders

Stop. For the love of god stop. No! Stop now! Quit calling those of us who are happy with U38 crap like cheerleaders, fanboys, buttkissers, whatever the hell else you are calling us. I am not a f*cking unconditional cheerleader! I have already stated that there are bugs new and old with this patch! Now will you please shut up with the name calling!

Some of us have real lives

What kind of flame is this for those of who did get second characters for this reason? Are you saying I don't have a real life just because I decided to get a second character? Wow. And you're saying that we're flaming you?

This also doesn't address the other solution that maybe you could find a low level friend.

In any case, in all your complaining you have offered one solution. And that is to request some sort of compromise. I will agree with you on this. Even though I'm okay with U38 I think it's fair to say that many aren't. And I think the devs should do something to compromise with this rather than the bomb they have apparently dropped on the high levels. And I will agree that that's what this is. A bomb. You have to admit that the devs did have good intentions for what they did. You can't honestly think they are TRYING to punish you for some odd reason. In this case, though, people do feel a blow has been dealt whether or not it's intentional. And whatever the devs had intentions for, I think when it comes to this issue they need to ease the players into it.

However, I think it's safe to say some big changes are coming and maybe in a month or so, The Matrix Online could be a totally different experience for many people, for better or for worse.

#34800000199 11/30/2005 10:03:35 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Just hope for the best, that's all I can say.

#34800000200 12/04/2005 21:01:56 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

oranos wrote:
Ville I agree with you man. They need to sort this out, and I don't know if anyone else agrees with me but wouldn't it be a good idea to make a collector to trade the old items for the new attribute items? I almost quit (and im still considering) because of this. I had a 50 and deleted to level 3 characters to 50. I had one up to 40 with most of the items I needed, and then they went and did that. All of a sudden half of my items are useless. I'm a beta player too and I personally think its screwed. And as for people complaining about Villemars comments, this is the Update 38 discussion thread. Not the "Oh yay update 38 rules" thread. Everyone is allowed to express their positive and negative opinions. And something else you guys should consider. Richland and Westview was revamped for balance...International and Downtown will be next...Look forward to losing your dragonskins, and direwolfs. Oh and for balance Im assuming they will then revamp Pandoras box and Constructs...Bye bye sakura bandana and widows moore lenses. Until they have done this there is no point in relevelling a character or levelling at all for that matter. Any work you do is useless.

Ah I see....

Villimar is entitled to his opinion but others should be flamed for theirs? You are entitled to a free upgrade? They're going to reflow the constructs and Pandora's box? You've been playing since beta and this is not the first time items have been phazed out with accelerated decay but suddenly this is almost the last straw for you?

Did you have something constructive to say?

#34800000201 11/29/2005 12:20:37 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Will someone please help me !?!?!?! Comon, any admins out there? I will be totally in your debt, just comon guys, imagine what youd feel like if this were you???

Ex

#34800000202 11/29/2005 12:34:36 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

This may not be the place for that, Ex. However, I don't wanna give you any false hope, but I don't think your character is COMPLETELY deleted. I still have profiles saved on my computer for deleted characters, which I thought was interesting, but maybe you ought to ask the devs about about that. :smileywink:

#34800000203 11/29/2005 12:39:17 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

I did contact them, but no reply, i may be able to go into profiles, but I really need a dev, your right, any on right now?

#34800000204 12/08/2005 06:44:29 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

i got a problem .... afther a while my abilty hotbar gets bugd and i need to relog ... it happends a lot since the hotfix!!!

#34800000205 12/17/2005 00:42:59 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

you got Mega City Email!

#34800000206 12/17/2005 05:10:33 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

hey there,

Good to see, we get update`s by time. That show´s you guys are still working on this goergeous game.

But i miss some features.

1. A updated complete Macro commands list, including the parameter list for each command.
(means what commands are really workable, as well, why are admin commands in the list ??)

Please don`t reply to offer me 3.rd Party lists. 99% are not complete, misstyped or wrong.

2. What the heck is the "decryption tool" ? I never got any other information as "item decryption not available"

3. One of the most open issues is the missing "Multilanguage" support on your sites.
The world holds more languages than english. I bet u lost a bunch of paying costumers, infact there english is to weak to play the game as well to follow up the forum as main information board.

4. Why is ccr too complicated ? i wonder how rude people talking ingame.

I like a ccr input like

1. "/ccr player"

2. Are you sure ? yes | no

3. yes send ccr, no quits the command.

will add some other question by time.

If i am wrong, please correct me-

love

sinza

#34800000536 01/06/2006 20:43:26 Re: Update 38 Discussion Thread

Email... that's all im happy about.