EPN and their failure

Cryptos is no program. All that your defeat would have served as would be a victory of principle.

Degu is right. Many people in this artificial world fight for the same cause, regardless of their orginizational affiliation. We all want to have a purpose. To some, their purpose is power. To others, knowledge. And others still, choice.

He says they fight to give people a choice. Who then, is his enemy? Not those who follow the Merovingian surely. We are content in our choice, and the diverse purposes we have chosen within ourselves. Why then, do we try to stop these Cypherites? What do we have to gain by fighting them. They are merely providing those who want to chose the bluepill a means to that end. Did we not chose the red pill when it was our time?

And speaking of that small little red pill, why do those who push it do so with such... cultish fanaticism. Our enemy is not Machine, they stabilize this system. It is not Cypherites, for they only seek to provide an alternative to the endless struggle in which we are now engaged. The more they put to sleep, the less chaotic the Matrix becomes, and the less resitance to our goals as an Orginization, my dear Merovingian followers.

We are the most diverse, the most adaptive, the strongest, the quickest. When we look at the picture as a whole, it is not us who are trying to dirupt the plans of our good blue pill neighbors, it is the seething, clawing, blind masses of Zion and "EPN" that hinder all of our goals; be it Merovingian, Machine, or Cypherite.

Fromal truces have been tried, and they always fail. I am not suggesting an alliance, rather, and understanding of our like goals. Individuals will do as they see fit, but if enough of us can realize the greatest common enemy to us all; those who wish to sleep will dream; those who wish for power will have controol; and those who wish to destroy everything, including themselves, will have their destruction.

Listening Degu. Spying implies wrongful use of information.

Oh, and we shouldn't be helping you specificly so much as we should all be... helping each other?

Message Edited by Crucifus on 04-28-2006 04:11 PM

I think the problem people seem to have with our org is that they assume we are "evil" that we are the bad guys forcing people back into pods.  Now ideally all would return, but that just isn't feasible.  We offer a choice to those who want to go back.  The problem is that we have to some how ensure that they aren't reawakened.  This is why we are forced to fight those in Zion, and more specifically those of the E Pluribus Neo organization.  Those EPN followers are hell bent on waking up everyone, and that includes people that don't want the "gift" of being awakened. 

Sometimes people forget that the matrix is a gift given to us by a form of life we humans created and then tried to wipe out.  We ruined our world and the machines gave us a new one, true it's not perfect but they tried that as well.  Merovingian operatives are not really a problem to us, as they are not going out and waking up blue pills.  The only people waking anyone up are zionites and thier sub-org EPN. 

I am not proposing an end to hostilities between merovingian and cypherite operatives, but just hoping to show people what it is we are doing.  Others are fighting, choosing to fight, for whatever it is they believe in.  Meanwhile we are being forced into fights for what we believe in.  This is why you will hear me stress that we are after a true solution for peace where I believe others may not be.  Degu has basically made every point I have discussed, but I just wanted to reiterate it for everyone.

Message Edited by Desc1ple on 04-29-2006 02:59 AM

At the meeting in question Cryptos himself told his troops to 'attack the supporters of the Merovignian', the choice was his and the consequnce is apparent...if he isnt a lunatic then at the very least his judgement needs to be questioned, likewise the judgement of the EPN factions should be closely examined.... in both cases a conscious descision was made which had the sole effect of undermining everything either one of you claims to work for.

You cannot expect a radical group to follow a procedure of reasoned
thinking. It's rational, it's sensical, and it's a step in the right
direction. Thus, radical groups such as E Pluribus Neo would never follow them!

Cryptos annouced to all his orders to attack us, he denied any common sense, he acted to counter logic, he could have appealed for our support (as I pointed out as we fought)....in the end his orders actively damaged his own organisation, you tell me he is sane, well IF that is the case then the explanation falls to one of the following;

• He is too stupid or proud to recognise an oppertunity to help himself (ironic then that he warned his enemies of hubris!)


• He is too blinded by revenge to even percieve a way to help himself or anyone around him


• He is not working in the interests of the cyphertites at all!

Actions speak louder than words and those actions condem him more assuredly than any degree of supposition.

 

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Degu5000 wrote:

He ordered us to attack because he blatantly knew that you were going to work with zion to try and remove us on the way out so yeh, I have to agree with Haelios, he simply threw the stone before you could.

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lol... We were gonna let you guys fight Zion, and if Zion was getting the upper hand, kill them Atleast, that's what my team agreed on..

 The main problem here is people not setting aside their opinions of others (i.e. Cryptos, etc) to see the greater common good. Regardless of who attacked whom, the power of stupid people in large groups continues to prevail in the Matrix. :smileyvery-happy:

I only have time to reply to the Cryptos meeting stuff.  While we were waiting for Cryptos to come out, everyone that was standing there knew to only attack Cypherites and their leader.  The others that came later didn't know this info and it can be hard to type, fight, and watch area chat at the same time.  Especially if they are in a different faction and you dont know who the one attacking the Mervs are. 

I have a feeling though that it doesn't much matter anyway.  Your sniper shot would have most likely missed or done like 15 damage since Cryptos had some uber buffs, and his health meter was all over the place.  I would watch him go from hardly any health to half a bar in an instant.  They would not have let Cryptos die and thats about the extent of it.

~ Hydrazine

^ Well..., FA at least.

Having given it some thought it strikes me that EPN can't really fail since they aren't actually trying to achieve anything? Basically what we have with this group is a bunch of children with 'Neo' complexes venting their inadequecies on the Matrix as a whole, we can grumble about machines, about Zion, about the Cypherites but at least they have an ambition. The only positive aspect of EPN is that its own futility will assure its eventual dissolution with or without our help lol!