44 posts · 2005-08-15 21:45:10 to 2005-08-30 17:29:29
#1150000002308/15/2005 21:45:10The Future of the Matrix
I did this post on the old forums, and thought I'd try it again here. I
personally feel it would be a good discussion to get everyone's
thoughts or hopes for the future of the MxO storyline.
What does everyone hope will happen before the game's story comes to a conclusion? (if it ever does.)
I hope for the following:
The Merovingian's organization to fall to pieces. This isn't a
personal stab at the Merv's, more I just feel the Merovingian is the
background "bad guy", and it would be nice for the climax of the game's
storyline to be something along the lines of the Merovingian being
deleted (killed.)
An ending to Morpheus' final quest (to have the remains of Neo to
be returned to Zion.) The quest doesn't need to be a success in my
opinion, even if it's simply revealed what happened to the remains and
why the Machines refuse to return them.
Final victory against the Red-Eyed Agents (and the "General"
character, once we learn what he's about.) Perhaps even a twist to the
story, such as the General is actually in the end considered to be a
good guy.
Cypherite organization ending... Perhaps an agreement made that
the Cypherites are returned to the Matrix and are not to be awakened
ever again. Something creative along those lines. Failing that,
something big (such as the Cypherites manage to cripple the city of
Zion as a whole, perhaps killing thousands?)
Sarah Edmonton. I want to find out more about her, perhaps just
an event following her on some adventure in which the truth about her
is revealed. I really don't know what to say about her. Same applies to
The_Kid. I'd like to see if there's something special about him.
Those are the points I can think of off hand. I'd be very interested to see what you all hope to happen in the future.
#1150000006908/16/2005 23:58:13Re: The Future of the Matrix
Question....Whos Sarah Edmonton?
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#1150000007208/17/2005 01:30:00Re: The Future of the Matrix
Shouki wrote:
Question....Whos Sarah Edmonton?
**SPOILERS**
Sarah Edmonton was a woman from a tabloid clipping we found during
a mission who was taken to hospital for some reason and was caught on
cctv walking out, apparantly unhurt in any way.
The strangest thing about her however, is that her name is a perfect
anogram of Thomas Anderson, co-incidence? I think not, as here is my
opinion: Please bear with me, it's a little long winded.
The search for Ms Edmonton begins, and maybe it's up to us to find who
this new "one" is, perhaps the machines will get her, or the merov, or
zion, just like the last 6 times. But as we know from the past, the one
ended with a cycle that had happened 6 times before, with Neo (in the
last instance) fighting off the Omega to his Alpha, the yang to his
yin, his opposite, in the form of the Smith Virus.
OK, so bear with me, i'm almost done.
So, in order for the cycle to continue, Edmonton would need an opposite
also to bring the entire matrix version 7 to a close/system restart. In
the past, Neo was a male and so was smith, and so i can think of only
one logical person for Edmontons opposite to be:
Agent Pace, the only female agent in existance, made to replace agent skinner.
And the rest, as they say, is history in the making.
What do you think?:smileyvery-happy:
#1150000007408/17/2005 02:53:07Re: The Future of the Matrix
I'd like to see Zion fall to pieces. Good guys don't always win,
and "good" is an arbitrary term. I, personally, cannot think of
anything more evil than Zion. So, I'd like it to be left up to
the storyline per server as to whether or not the Merovingian, or Niobe
or whoever leads Zion now, gets the axe.
Furthermore, the Merovingian survived 5 (or maybe 6, i forget) systemic
anomalies. Good luck finding something strong enough out there to
rub out the Merv.
Also, about Sarah. She's still up in the air as far as which org
she'd join. If you remember, before there was only Zion to
join. There's absolutely no guarantee that she'd choose to join
Zion IF she is "teh 0n3". The Devil is known as the great
Tempter. Also, far better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.
#1150000007508/17/2005 02:55:14Re: The Future of the Matrix
Yeah the thought of Agent Pace being the 'Smith' to Sarah Edmonton has passed my mind too.
I hope if they do another Neo vs Smith (through Edmonton and Pace)
there's at least something different about it (eg. Not having Pace
being able to copy herself would be a start, otherwise it'll just seem
the same as the films)
Could be interesting to see how this turns out though.
#1150000007608/17/2005 03:02:55Re: The Future of the Matrix
DiscoChild wrote:
Furthermore,
the Merovingian survived 5 (or maybe 6, i forget) systemic
anomalies. Good luck finding something strong enough out there to
rub out the Merv.
Actually I think it wouldn't be too difficult for the Merovingian to be killed. Two reasons.
1) In Matrix Revolutions Trinity points a gun to the Merovingians head
and said something along the lines of "either you give us Neo, or we
all die right here". The Merovingian gave in, thus pretty much telling
us he knew he had been defeated.
2) Same case, cinematic 2.1 of MxO. Merv once again gives in when he sees Ghost behind him with a rifle aimed at him.
However I believe if either Trinity or Ghost had taken the kill, neither would have escaped with their lives.
#1150000007708/17/2005 03:03:02Re: The Future of the Matrix
Wow! If i had know more about the Sarah Edmonton chick i might have come up with that same idea myself.
Maybe if Sarah Edmonton is a re-arranged version of Thomas Anderson then maybe the names of the other 5 "ones" before Neo were anagrams of Thomas Anderson. I wonder how many other names you could get from that.
#1150000007908/17/2005 03:15:08Re: The Future of the Matrix
NanoTM wrote:
Maybe if Sarah Edmonton is a re-arranged version of Thomas Anderson then maybe the names of the other 5 "ones" before Neo were anagrams of Thomas Anderson. I wonder how many other names you could get from that.
Good point. Would be a thing to look into if Sarah does infact become the next "One".
I hope sometime in the future we learn of some of the previous One's.
Would make an interesting novel or something for the Wachowski's to
back.
#1150000008108/17/2005 03:25:59Re: The Future of the Matrix
Romav wrote:
NanoTM wrote:
Maybe if Sarah Edmonton is a re-arranged version of Thomas Anderson then maybe the names of the other 5 "ones" before Neo were anagrams of Thomas Anderson. I wonder how many other names you could get from that.
Good point. Would be a thing to look into if Sarah does infact become the next "One".
I hope sometime in the future we learn of some of the previous One's.
Would make an interesting novel or something for the Wachowski's to
back.
Or something to ponder about or learn about for an event during post event downtime.
I bet this threads gonna get deleted cos we're getting to close to the truth!
If Aether could see us now he'd be proud :smileyhappy:
Message Edited by PBlade on 08-17-200504:26 AM
#1150000008208/17/2005 03:35:59Re: The Future of the Matrix
If i had all of a sudden decided to move to Seattle i'd probebly try to apply for a job with the SOE live events team. I tell ya if i were on that team you would see a little bit more progression of the events. By now we would probebly be well into the 2.2 event(whatever that might be).
#1150000008308/17/2005 03:42:20Re: The Future of the Matrix
Well so far i know that my handle(NanoTM) is a partial anagram of Thomas Anderson. So is my bluepill first name(Theo), maybe I am the next one.
Okay, maybe i'm just dreamin. I bet if we tried making a name with a Thomas Anderson agrangment as the bluepill name that character would be deleted and the name put on the restricted names list.
#1150000008608/17/2005 04:25:54Re: The Future of the Matrix
So heres my question, if you are the one in a world where being the one means your making a choice that is not offered to you, what are you in a world where there is peace and the choice is peace or anarchy?
#1150000008808/17/2005 04:30:08Re: The Future of the Matrix
Hoosonova wrote: So heres my question, if
you are the one in a world where being the one means your making a
choice that is not offered to you, what are you in a world where there
is peace and the choice is peace or anarchy?
Wow...
I've actually never thought of it that way. If another One emerges in
the Matrix, what will his/her purpose be? I like your thinking,
Hoosonova.
#1150000008908/17/2005 04:37:34Re: The Future of the Matrix
not only that, but remeber that the one infected an agent like a virus (twice) that became a rogue program, it could initially cause that same program to still pop up some where. Causing two one's to be running around with no specific agenda but to change an unknown variable already in an unknown or contrrolled state.
Message Edited by Hoosonova on 08-17-200505:39 AM
#1150000009008/17/2005 04:38:08Re: The Future of the Matrix
That probably means that, if all this was going to come true, then the
truce would have to collapse for the existance of the next anomaly...
Interesting theories......confusing to say the least, but they make you think indeed.
And as for the re-occurence of the virus program (smith) check my big huge post on the first page.
Message Edited by PBlade on 08-17-200505:38 AM
#1150000009208/17/2005 04:43:20Re: The Future of the Matrix
Hoosonova wrote:
not
only that, but remeber that the one infected an agent like a virus
(twice) that became a rogue program, it could initially cause that same
program to still pop up some where. Causing two one's to be
running around with no specific agenda but to change an unknown
variable already in an unknown or contrrolled state.
Message Edited by Hoosonova on 08-17-200505:39 AM
My head just exploded in a shower of gore. Thanks
#1150000009408/17/2005 04:45:15Re: The Future of the Matrix
Glad I could help Romav:robotvery-happy:
#1150000009608/17/2005 05:31:20Re: The Future of the Matrix
I think we all, or most of us, assumed that if the one came back he would have to come back for a reason. Neo was awakened for a reason, and so were the other previous anomolies. So before the next one shows himself/herself there will have to be some major event to greatly upset the balance between all organizations.
I don't think we shall see anything of that magnatude anytime soon.
#1150000009708/17/2005 05:41:29Re: The Future of the Matrix
I was lead to believe that there was no control of when a one was awaken, and even so (not like they'll ever take the story there) but where does that leave the rogue program who just doesn't want to be or stay deleted?
#1150000009908/17/2005 05:52:12Re: The Future of the Matrix
I think that most of you are missing a rather obvious
point. Each of these system anomolies takes like 100 years to
reoccur. Does anyone remember the speech Morph gives in
Revolutions? The whole "For One Hundred Years.... blah blah blah"
speech? Well remember that each time the systemic anomoly occurs,
their purpose is to return to the source and reinsert thier code so it
can "reboot". At that time they remove x number of people to repopulate
zion, because zion has been destroyed. So I think everyone
looking for a new "One" may have a long wait ahead of them, because
it's not an overnight occurance. When a "One" dies or completes
it's task, the next "One" doesn't just immediatly pop up. It's an
anomoly formed by the remainder of an equation that continues to build
over time until it results in a "One".
-Desc1ple The Risen Triad Enumerator Vector
#1150000010008/17/2005 06:58:23Re: The Future of the Matrix
Desc1ple wrote: I think that
most of you are missing a rather obvious point. Each of these
system anomolies takes like 100 years to reoccur. Does anyone
remember the speech Morph gives in Revolutions? The whole "For One
Hundred Years.... blah blah blah" speech? Well remember that each
time the systemic anomoly occurs, their purpose is to return to the
source and reinsert thier code so it can "reboot". At that time they
remove x number of people to repopulate zion, because zion has been
destroyed. So I think everyone looking for a new "One" may have a
long wait ahead of them, because it's not an overnight occurance.
When a "One" dies or completes it's task, the next "One" doesn't just
immediatly pop up. It's an anomoly formed by the remainder of an
equation that continues to build over time until it results in a "One".
Yeah, I did think of that. However my
reasoning for the chances of another One sooner than previous Matrix
versions is that Neo broke the pattern. Instead of doing what the
One usually did, Neo made a decision based off love.
I see anything possible now that Zion was not destroyed this time. Perhaps it has confused the system in a way? I don't know.
#1150000010708/17/2005 09:50:48Re: The Future of the Matrix
The creation of The One and Smith Virus were the system trying to balance the equation out, when Zion and the Machines were still at war. But since Neo never reset the Matrirx, The One code(Quite Possibly) never got reset.
So the purpose of Neo and Smith was to bring balance...in the words of Agent Skinner, May he rest in peace.
"The truce brings balance."
Also, did anyone think that her name is an Anaogram of Thomas Anderson.
How quickly we forget the words of a dead man....
Did Morpheus not say it was possible that the machines had jacked Neo back into the matrix, and that it was possible that he was a female?
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#1150000010808/17/2005 10:35:13Re: The Future of the Matrix
The "equation" that was unbalanced, was unbalanced
because of the "problem of choice". Humanity needed a choice
even at a "subconscious level" to be able to leave the Matrix.
Now,
that equation is balanced because of the nature of the truce, each
person has a real choice to leave if they want. Therefore
the "One" program is obsolete.
That being said the RSI of Sarah Edmonton may actually be Neo. Not the next "eventuality of the anomoly". That is
what Morpheus meant when he said that he could be anyone and not even
know who he is. That this girl is actually a "fake" RSI of
Thomas Anderson/Neo.
Of course, this interpretation sort of
leads to a question about the Cypherites and their goals. Their
agenda doesn't really make any sense. If they truly want to
eliminate all possibility of people ever becoming Awakened, then the
Matrix program is crippled with that equation becoming permanently
unbalanced. So effectively their success means the
end of the human race.
#1150000011008/17/2005 11:41:04Re: The Future of the Matrix
now for something completely different.... about the Red eyed agents i think that they r being controled by silver of the elements
#1150000011508/17/2005 14:19:10Re: The Future of the Matrix
Shouki wrote:
Also, did anyone think that her name is an Anaogram of Thomas Anderson.
Read previous posts much? That was mentioned on page one of this thread.
#1150000014708/19/2005 02:11:31Re: The Future of the Matrix
Romav wrote:
Desc1ple wrote: I
think that most of you are missing a rather obvious point. Each
of these system anomolies takes like 100 years to reoccur. Does
anyone remember the speech Morph gives in Revolutions? The whole "For
One Hundred Years.... blah blah blah" speech? Well remember that
each time the systemic anomoly occurs, their purpose is to return to
the source and reinsert thier code so it can "reboot". At that time
they remove x number of people to repopulate zion, because zion has
been destroyed. So I think everyone looking for a new "One" may
have a long wait ahead of them, because it's not an overnight
occurance. When a "One" dies or completes it's task, the next
"One" doesn't just immediatly pop up. It's an anomoly formed by
the remainder of an equation that continues to build over time until it
results in a "One".
Yeah, I did
think of that. However my reasoning for the chances of another One
sooner than previous Matrix versions is that Neo broke the
pattern. Instead of doing what the One usually did, Neo made a
decision based off love.
I see anything possible now that Zion was not destroyed this time. Perhaps it has confused the system in a way? I don't know.
From
what I understand of the Architect's speech, the Anomaly appears when
enough people have refused the programming and been awakened from the
Matrix - consider the rate of this happening before, and the rate of it
happening now. (Basically, the equation becomes more and more
unbalanced when people go against the odds and deny the programming,
hence the Anomaly appears and needs to be re-inserted to the source for
a re-start of the Matrix.)
Because of the truce, bluepills will be much more likely to see strange
events in the matrix that'll make them question things (read past
issues of the Sentinel for this), and the Agent's won't stop us when we
set about freeing those minds, as they have in every previous version
of the matrix. Result: more people are freed, much faster.
So we may have another 'potential' walking around now (I have a theory
that the anomaly more or less creates itself by aquiring a level of
understanding of the matrix equal to what Neo did - which is why the
Oracle had so many potentials she was 'testing', but more on that
another time), and she may turn into a super-powered 'One' given the
right stimulation. That person will then need to be re-inserted and the
matrix re-started - which, I'm guessing, is what will happen at the
climax Paul Chadwick was talking about in an interview a while back...
#1150000015308/20/2005 17:42:31Re: The Future of the Matrix
thorn, I like your idea that everything is happening much quicker this
time because the amount of Coppertops who are being released from the
Matrix. There are thousands more being released than ever before, and
so it would make sense that the system requires itself to be rebooted
much quicker too.
I hope that's how they explain it if another 'One' emerges very soon.
#1150000016708/22/2005 08:08:23Re: The Future of the Matrix
If i had all of a sudden decided to move to Seattle i'd probebly try to apply for a job with the SOE live events team. I tell ya if i were on that team you would see a little bit more progression of the events. By now we would probebly be well into the 2.2 event(whatever that might be).
I just hope they restart the live events soon.
#1150000017308/22/2005 14:17:17Re: The Future of the Matrix
thornTree wrote:
From what I understand of the Architect's speech, the Anomaly
appears when enough people have refused the programming and been
awakened from the Matrix - consider the rate of this happening before,
and the rate of it happening now. (Basically, the equation becomes more
and more unbalanced when people go against the odds and deny the
programming, hence the Anomaly appears and needs to be re-inserted to
the source for a re-start of the Matrix.)
Good
stuff. We should remember that Neo found a solution outside
of the Architect's equation. As such, the old equation, which
included "The One", may no longer apply, although you can bet that the
Architect is working on a new equation.
I'd like to see some progress made on the overall conflict of humans
vs. machines. The new characters/plotlines are interesting, but
being part of the big picture with the main movie characters would be
really cool to me. For example, I wonder if Sati could play a
part in this. A true resolution is doubtful, as that might mean
the end of the Matrix, but something with a meaningful impact would be
nice.
#1150000018608/25/2005 03:34:38Re: The Future of the Matrix
I think that Sarah Edmonton could be neo or she could be a sorta new
morpheus. Not that she would become a man or anything but that
she would be destined to find the new one. As for the opposite of
this new one I was thinking the LED agents could be the new opposite
since someone said that they we the imprint of Smith that stayed after
he and neo died.
#1150000019208/25/2005 21:26:16Re: The Future of the Matrix
I don't understand why everyone thinks that if Neo, or another "one", comes back then Smith has to return as well to balance it out. Wasn't this the first time the "one" had an opposite? Wasn't Smith something never seen before in the Matrix?
#1150000020108/26/2005 07:26:23Re: The Future of the Matrix
In reply to what Warwraith said about smith never seen in the matrix before smith actually in the previous matrix as weell be i remmeber a quote that said about seraph fighting skills were so good that he once even beat agent smith before.
#1150000020308/26/2005 09:15:38Re: The Future of the Matrix
Warwraith wrote: I don't understand
why everyone thinks that if Neo, or another "one", comes back then
Smith has to return as well to balance it out. Wasn't this the
first time the "one" had an opposite? Wasn't Smith something
never seen before in the Matrix?
[after Neo has just defeated three Agents] Agent Smith: That went as expected... Agent Smith Clone: Yes. Agent Smith: It's all happening exactly as before... Agent Smith Clone: Well, not exactly... [Agent Smith Clone smiles]
#1150000020408/26/2005 09:34:04Re: The Future of the Matrix
I hope sometime in the future we learn of some of the previous One's.
Would make an interesting novel or something for the Wachowski's to
back.
well, books are one medium they haven't used yet. Comics yes, but not novels. I would read it if it exsisted.
#1150000020508/26/2005 13:19:54Re: The Future of the Matrix
[after Neo has just defeated three Agents] Agent Smith: That went as expected... Agent Smith Clone: Yes. Agent Smith: It's all happening exactly as before... Agent Smith Clone: Well, not exactly... [Agent Smith Clone smiles]
You sure that Smith isn't just refering to the powers of the One being
able to fight agents (the upgraded ones some minutes before) and that
they get defeated exactly like he got defeated in the Heart O' the Ciry
Hotel?
Or that in a previous instance of the Matrix the One was also able to
defeat agents in melee combat (of course) and the only difference is
that the One actually forced an agent to deletion (Agent Smith) and
this did not happen in the previous iterations of the Matrix?
>revolt_
#1150000021208/27/2005 00:49:31Re: The Future of the Matrix
If everyone will forgive me for being n00btastic for a moment (I just
got into the game a couple weeks ago) can somebody shed a little more
light on where we find out about this Sarah Edmonton character?
This is the first time I've heard anything about her, and a search on
the forums turns up squat aside from this thread. PBlade mentioned that
it was from a mission, but which one? Like are we talking about a
critical mission for one (or all) of the organizations, or a live
events thing, or what?
#1150000021308/27/2005 07:45:58Re: The Future of the Matrix
I don't know which organization had this critical mission, but in one critical you were able to pick up a newspaper clipping about a girl (Sarah Edmonton) who was in the hospital but escaped in panic. On the back of the clipping someone wrote "IS THIS HIM?!" Notice, re-arrange all of the letters in her name and you get Thomas Anderson.
#1150000021508/27/2005 07:55:36Re: The Future of the Matrix
one thing id like to know is how and why morph and neo never seem to like you know have any arguments is it because morph is hiding something from us and Neo or is it something Neo's hiding? hmmm puzzling but anyway i agree with hosoonova nad ramv that whole thing is a good point / idea i think that zion should fall and merv be captured or something and machines over rule or some odd conspiracy !
#1150000021608/27/2005 08:01:53Re: The Future of the Matrix
I don't know which organization had this critical mission, but in one critical you were able to pick up a newspaper clipping about a girl (Sarah Edmonton) who was in the hospital but escaped in panic. On the back of the clipping someone wrote "IS THIS HIM?!" Notice, re-arrange all of the letters in her name and you get Thomas Anderson.
Recursion - Cap0ne Machinist: The Rakshas / The Rusty Hammer / Captain
yea i do spell out thomas anderson once i re arranger her name its him definitley hes out there in her RSI from this is all so exciting and i hope to ahve my little error problem fixed b 4 next event so i can unfold more interesting stories liek the ones found here! great job pidgeon king
Sarah edmonton = thomas anderson
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#1150000021808/27/2005 08:11:53Re: The Future of the Matrix
Please stop quoting THE HTML OF THINGS to get your point across, for the love of god. Why are you reposting my sig?
#1150000024108/29/2005 07:13:11Re: The Future of the Matrix
This is something that always bugs me.
The name is spelled Sarah EdmontonS. Sarah Edmonton doesn't spell Thomas Anderson. maybe Thomas Anderon... Or Thoma Anderson. hehe.
Pet peeve...
P.S. She was in a coma, and just up and walked out all of a sudden ... doesn't say anything about escaping in panic.
Cheers.
#1150000024208/29/2005 07:42:35Re: The Future of the Matrix
skyscream wrote:
P.S. She was in a coma, and just up and walked out all of a sudden ... doesn't say anything about escaping in panic.
My mistake.
#1150000024408/29/2005 16:11:59Re: The Future of the Matrix
skyscream wrote:
The name is spelled Sarah EdmontonS. Sarah Edmonton doesn't spell
Thomas Anderson. maybe Thomas Anderon... Or Thoma Anderson. hehe.
Oops, I too completely forgot there was an S at the end of Edmonton. Thanks for the reminder, skyscream.
#1150000025108/30/2005 17:29:29Re: The Future of the Matrix
zorya wrote:
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That being said the RSI of Sarah Edmonton may actually be Neo. Not the next "eventuality of the anomoly". That is what Morpheus meant when he said that he could be anyone and not even know who he is. That this girl is actually a "fake" RSI of Thomas Anderson/Neo.
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Well, my personal theory is that this Sarah Edmonton is the same being that was Neo/Thomas Anderson, with a hitch: RSI, or residual self image, is a projection within the matrix of one's view of themself (as I understand it). Neo's love with Trinity caused him to change his view of himself. Trinity completed him in a way that nobody else could. So when he was reinserted, his RSI reflected his deep bond with her, and his RSI became a female to compensate for the change. Of course this is a bit of a reach, and I apologise if someone offered this theory somewhere in the last few pages or elsewhere on the forums (I had the idea and posted it while it was fresh in my mind before finishing reading the whole thead).
