22 posts · 2006-01-12 08:17:37 to 2006-02-21 15:40:07
#1130000150301/12/2006 08:17:37Where do Agents go?
This may be moved into Storyline, but I figured this forum might get a bit more traffic.
Simply put - where do Agents go? They aren't needed all of the time. When they are required, they take over the body of a person nearest the disturbance, then leave it when its killed or when they've taken care of things.
But where do they go then? They can't inhabit a bluepill's body forever because people would wonder where he/she had gone to, and also when they had to move to another body to take care of something that person would be terminally confused!
#1130000150401/12/2006 08:28:07Re: Where do Agents go?
The source. Everything returns to the source when it has no use. I doubt they'd go for assymalation. But sort of like saving a file on a hard drive I suppose, and when you want to use it, you activate it (or copy and paste it on bluepillxxxx.exe :smileyvery-happy: )
There were some Matrix cartoon strips where the Agents gave the bluepill back their body and they were stood there, overlooking a load of dead bodies, totally confused.
The bluepill is in no danger of finding out about the Matrix, they'd simple be told they were having a mental episode, so I doubt the Agent or the protocols for that situation see it as a threat.
#1130000150501/12/2006 14:23:24Re: Where do Agents go?
Actually, Agents don't return to the source when they complete a task. They return when they are killed (as rare as that is). I would suspect they just don't inhabit bluepill forms, waiting until they are needed.
#1130000150601/12/2006 16:13:47Re: Where do Agents go?
I think Agents go right to a construct of some kind when they're not busy inhabitting humans to deal with things in the Matrix itself. Sort of like a loading construct, I'd imagine.
There, they can do their "paper work" and classifying and information organizing, which are Agent jobs hinted in the first film.
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#1130000150701/12/2006 17:04:04Re: Where do Agents go?
I can tell you one thing...
Agent Jeeves goes to the forum.
(he's been very busy lately though... with the General and his thugs. Who knows what might happen?!)
#1130000150801/12/2006 17:17:36Re: Where do Agents go?
Just thought I'd post this since someone mentioned it
You can remove the /keron2_01.html and be directed to the main comics page with all 3 series of comics.
#1130000150901/13/2006 00:26:14Re: Where do Agents go?
One possibility that I've thought of is that Agents inhabit the bodies of those that lead a solitary life.
Knowing The Machines that lone individual would lead that life for the sole purpose of housing Agents when they're "off-duty" if thats what you can call it.
Since they're alone, no-one would notice them missing and when they gain control of their own bodies again... The Machines could very easily make them believe some sort of cover story, for example they've just awakened from a coma.
Of course like the rest of the answers in this thread, its entirely hypothetical but given what we already know about Agents and The Matrix, it is a possibility.
#1130000151601/13/2006 02:33:55Re: Where do Agents go?
I thought of the 'lone wolf' idea. But what if an Agent isn't needed for weeks at a time? Unusual as it may be, it's entirely possible. You can only explain away so much, and weeks of missing memory would start to get to me after a while!!
I like the construct idea though.
#1130000151701/13/2006 03:00:21Re: Where do Agents go?
Even afterward, he has not been allowed to return to the Source, instead relegated to a buffer system created during the reboot—a gateway construct which acts as a Machine analog to the Merovingian's Mobil Avenue Station. In some ways he is almost an Exile, but for the fact that he believes he will eventually be able to return to the Source.
#1130000151801/13/2006 03:52:32Re: Where do Agents go?
Thanks Gray was the one I wondered about the most, totally forgot that bit.
#1130000152001/13/2006 16:08:10Re: Where do Agents go?
Think of it this way:
Your antivirus monitor is always running. However, the processes in your Anti-virus program that removes viruses is only active when the monitor has detected a virus.
In much the same way when an Agent is not needed it doesn't go anywhere, it just becomes inactive.
#1130000152401/13/2006 23:01:37Re: Where do Agents go?
Foxxdie wrote: Think of it this way:
Your antivirus monitor is always running. However, the processes in your Anti-virus program that removes viruses is only active when the monitor has detected a virus.
In much the same way when an Agent is not needed it doesn't go anywhere, it just becomes inactive.
I don't personally believe that an Agent becomes inactive and disappears when they are not needed.
Some proof I've seen that contradicts this is when Agent Smith is interrogating Morpheus in the Government Building and he makes his speech about trying to classify our species.
For Agent Smith to have time to think about what to classify our species as, he would need to be an active program who isn't currently performing any of his Agent duties and therefore have time to question such things. If he was to become inactive, he would be non-existant until he was required as an Agent and that would therefore make this impossible.
#1130000152501/14/2006 02:45:53Re: Where do Agents go?
Ohhh good point! But how do we know how long it took Smith to think of this? Maybe he thought of it in a nanosecond right after he killed a redpill, heh.
#1130000155201/16/2006 13:05:19Re: Where do Agents go?
PhanthomZtryker wrote:
I can tell you one thing...
Agent Jeeves goes to the forum.
(he's been very busy lately though... with the General and his thugs. Who knows what might happen?!)
PWNT.
#1130000159301/22/2006 16:08:34Re: Where do Agents go?
Since agents can occupy any piece of software hooked into the Matrix, there may be pieces of software specifically made to 'house' the agents, when not in a human body. But I'm guessing they wouldn't be mobile, or at least, they wouldn't give the agents the mobility they'd have by taking over humans.
Illyria
#1130000159501/22/2006 19:40:41Re: Where do Agents go?
Agents are individual programs that have identical thought patterns(Agent Smith was exiled since he wasnt following the machine point of view.). Each Agent Searches the matrix either in a group of 3 or by themselves. Smith uses his ear piece to find anomolies in the matrix(Smith touches his ear piece before he takes possestion of a homeless man in the subway). Smith is told by other agents that he didnt hear, supposedly about Neo and Trinity entering the building. The Architect looks at different screens to view the matrix probably the Agents look at this when they enter the source from a body.
Agents use human bodies to live in the matrix but exiles dont it seems. It seems agents use the humans RSI to protect their own RSI (if the agent didnt have a human host, he would be just another exile, be permanetly deleted if killed).
#1130000159601/23/2006 00:00:37Re: Where do Agents go?
The Agent programs are stored in the Windows XP Prefetch folder, for quick execution. Though, the Architect has flush the folder out every now and then, and they're all cramped up into a 200MB swap file for hours on end...the poor dears...
No, but seriously, they're probably stored in a quick executing cache of some kind. Or they are never truly gone, persay.
They probably are ran as a hidden process that becomes active when a certain trigger is activated.
#1130000166102/01/2006 11:55:39Re: Where do Agents go?
Good theories so far- I'm just gonna add one, I don't know whether it's right or wrong or anything- but here goes. Not all programs have an actual "physical" form in the Matrix- such as the programs controlling the wind, trees etc, and more recently, the Effectuator. While not needed, they could just revert to being part of the Matrix- whilst still having their knowledge and being able to think, gather data, recieve orders etc. Then once they're needed for action they start bluepill hopping, then revert to their previous state once they're no longer needed. This might explain how they can move from bluepill to bluepill after being killed or needing to move, they revert to being code, then assimilate the next bluepill. The one thing that would seem to contradict this is the present of the stationary "informer" agents in the Matrix- my theory is that they are just normal programs, with the strength and appearance of agents- but not occupying a bluepill. What interests me is the fact that the agents want to get into Zion's computers- I wonder if Zion have their own programs running around doing stuff for them?
#1130000166502/03/2006 15:58:51Re: Where do Agents go?
ok this theory will make you think the next time you jack in
when you jack in you get the green code screen
everthing in the matrix is composed of cod and in one of the previous posts some one mentioned how an antivirus is not active all the time just when it detects a virus
now in the code stream you see at jack in maybe that is where the agents reside until they are needed
and simply move from the codestream into the code of a nearby bluepill
simply put an agent could be in the codestream right beneath you waiting for you to make just one wrong move lol
#1130000170302/09/2006 22:12:52Re: Where do Agents go?
ok... well all of those ideas r pretty nice but has anyone thought that perhaps they store their data within the "bugs" which are planted into bluepills? They plant one into Neo to keep trakc of him, due to the bug when something out of the ordinary happens they can "posses" Neo and take care of it, but to do that they need the bug inside of him, enabling them to camp bits of their data within his body... just a thought...
#1130000170902/12/2006 14:32:19Re: Where do Agents go?
5000 wrote: ok... well all of those ideas r pretty nice but has anyone thought that perhaps they store their data within the "bugs" which are planted into bluepills? They plant one into Neo to keep trakc of him, due to the bug when something out of the ordinary happens they can "posses" Neo and take care of it, but to do that they need the bug inside of him, enabling them to camp bits of their data within his body... just a thought...
I doubt that agents decided to walk around abandoned buildings and put bugs in homeless people. They didnt possess the Detective in the Animatrix when he had the bug it was after that. In the matrix I would believe that when you reach an age when you believe that everything is right with the world you start believing that Agents are real people or that the wall that just formed was always there. Neo could not have been taken because he knew something was wrong with the world. "some people are not ready to be unplugged." This goes for namely the children because at young ages they think everything is real till they start to as adults say go rebeluse and start doing drugs and stuff. When there are some adults that still act like this(Neo) and his drug buddies. When you get to the point Neo should have been possessed as soon as he got into the car. They(Switch and Trin) didnt know that Neo thought the world was wrong in some way that is why they had the guns on him.
#1130000172602/21/2006 15:40:07Re: Where do Agents go?
I believe that an Agent in fact could have taken over Neo while in the car, but I think they did not for tactical reasons. If one had then it just would have gotten Neo killed, and seeing as they had no idea of his importance in their eyes it would be a waste of a good battery. They were planning to use Neo to lead them to Morpheus, however this was foiled when the bug was found and removed. Even if the Agent had not been shot "dodge this" style, the most he could have accomplished would have been to kill a few of the crew. Morpheus and the others were at the safehouse, and thus their accomplishments moot. At the time Morpheus was just about the biggest threat to the system, along with being a captain of a hovercraft in possession of Zion access codes. The prospect of either destroying or capturing him far outweighed any immediate gains to be had by taking over Neo.
