Fire in movie 2

I've always thought that the fire was because Neo triggered "The Bomb"
(did he say bomb?) located in the Architect's building by returning to
it when the window was closed and not returning to the source. Works
for me.

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FrozenFyre wrote:
I've always thought that the fire was because Neo triggered "The Bomb" (did he say bomb?) located in the Architect's building by returning to it when the window was closed and not returning to the source. Works for me.

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yeah, I think that since the door was opened after all of the power came back on, the bomb was triggered.

That's actually exactly as it happened.

According to the Matrix special effects crew in a Cinefex article, the fire is a result of Neo's rage. It's coming from behind him, and not from the building, where the bomb is.

Plus, with both the main and auxiliary power down, the alarm cannot sound and the bomb cannot detonate.

The truth is Neo chucked a grenade in the controll room killing the arch, if you argue that the controll was in a construct not bound by the normall rules of the matrix and would be secure you gota ask yourself why was he flying out then?

Sort of like the trainmans construct.

But with all grenade tossing aside I assumed he trigged the bomb

Message Edited by vivi44 on 04-29-2006 05:24 PM

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vivi44 wrote:

But with all grenade tossing aside I assumed he trigged the bomb

Message Edited by vivi44 on 04-29-2006 05:24 PM

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How? The power's down. And the bomb's in the building, not the Architect's room.

I'm going with that the special effects guys said.

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Othinn1 wrote:
According to the Matrix special effects crew in a Cinefex article, the fire is a result of Neo's rage. It's coming from behind him, and not from the building, where the bomb is.

Plus, with both the main and auxiliary power down, the alarm cannot sound and the bomb cannot detonate.

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That is kee-rect. Whatever was behind the door was already being ignited, as you could see before the explosion, before Neo went through the door. The fire is also coming from the door.

Message Edited by ThePigeonKing on 04-29-2006 05:30 PM

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Othinn1 wrote:
According to the Matrix special effects crew in a Cinefex article, the fire is a result of Neo's rage. It's coming from behind him, and not from the building, where the bomb is.

Plus, with both the main and auxiliary power down, the alarm cannot sound and the bomb cannot detonate.

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Neo's rage?  LOL.  The fire appeared to be "coming from behind him", not "coming from him", a big difference.  It seemed to me that he was using his bullet-time skillz to get away from it.

If you recall, the scene changed to a view of the building from the outside, where we saw the entire floor of the building explode at once (as if a bomb went off), with the flames spewing out of the building from all sides, and then you saw Neo come flying out.  So while there were some flames behind him, they also appeared to be generated from multiple points within the building (i.e. from a bomb) as he was trying to escape.

Yes, the auxillary power was taken down by Trinity at the beginning, which would've prevented the bomb from going off, but the power could've easily brought back up in the meantime while Neo was chatting it up w/ the Architect.  Also, take note that as soon as Neo gets out of the building and starts flying to save Trinity, all the buildings are lit up -- they have power.  This would not be the case unless the backup power had been restored, which would have, in turn, lead to the bomb.

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digitize wrote:

Yes, the auxillary power was taken down by Trinity at the beginning, which would've prevented the bomb from going off, but the power could've easily brought back up in the meantime while Neo was chatting it up w/ the Architect.  Also, take note that as soon as Neo gets out of the building and starts flying to save Trinity, all the buildings are lit up -- they have power.  This would not be the case unless the backup power had been restored, which would have, in turn, lead to the bomb.

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The building Neo flew out of was completely dark. We've seen it with the power on, several of its rooms are lit up when it is on.

Neo was flying at an extremely fast speed. By the time we saw him, he most likely left the 27 blocks whose power was off.

And I find it interesting that you're saying that the people who worked on that scene are wrong. Still, nobody has to accept them.

Through the eyes of its creators it was to show his anger. The reason why there was a huge explosion though was because the Flames ignited the bomb.

oh and if it was his speed he was going at that caused the fire it wouldnt have been the air behind him that caught on fire it woulda be him just like when i meteor falls to earth The Rock Catches Fire and Creats the Tail. also the fire was only inside the building. Neo gained speed as he flew thus is why u hear the Sonic Boom when hes Flying also if it was the Speed that Caused the Fire why didnt The Air explode when he was flying from the Chatue to the Highway to Save Morpheus and The Keymaker???

Othinn1 wrote:

The building Neo flew out of was completely dark. We've seen it with the power on, several of its rooms are lit up when it is on.

True, but if the bomb had gone off, it likely would've taken out the power again, no?

Neo was flying at an extremely fast speed. By the time we saw him, he most likely left the 27 blocks whose power was off.

Possibly, but hard to say.

And I find it interesting that you're saying that the people who worked on that scene are wrong. Still, nobody has to accept them.

Well, since you didn't provide any direct link to what you quoted from the special effects crew, I really don't know what they actually said, vs. your interpretation of what they said.  Besides, most things about the Matrix are open to interpretation anyway.

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Doondoon wrote:

The Bomb was only disarmed for 3 minutes so while hes in there talking the power comes back on as u see while Neo is flying out the power around the building (all the little buildings) is back on so the bomb was back on. it could have been considered his rage but it was actualy the bomb since that was the first time the One ever took that Door becoz nomraly he chose to re insert the prime code. u see him flying out of the door although he walks out from the room....weird huh

I don't know about the "bomb was only disarmed for 3 minutes" part, but you do make a good point that Neo is walking out of the Architect's room but then you see him flying out of the door.  The whole scene just didn't make much sense.

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digitize wrote:

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Doondoon wrote:

The Bomb was only disarmed for 3 minutes so while hes in there talking the power comes back on as u see while Neo is flying out the power around the building (all the little buildings) is back on so the bomb was back on. it could have been considered his rage but it was actualy the bomb since that was the first time the One ever took that Door becoz nomraly he chose to re insert the prime code. u see him flying out of the door although he walks out from the room....weird huh

I don't know about the "bomb was only disarmed for 3 minutes" part, but you do make a good point that Neo is walking out of the Architect's room but then you see him flying out of the door.  The whole scene just didn't make much sense.

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Neo never really entered the white room, he, for lack of a better term, was recalled there. I mean we see him put the key in the knob, turn it, then the bright light, followed by him then standing where he was standing.

Well the only reason the power was off was because Trinity hacked the
city powr grid and manually turned off the back up nodes. Someone could
easily have walked into the room and re-activated the nodes, thusly
restoring power and making it so the bomb could be triggered.

Guys pleese watch the movie again After the Key Maker say to them that they have to Blow Up the power station and disable the back up systems he says that the power will be out for ???seconds and then somone says" thats alittle over 3 minuts"

because the machines quickly take control of the situation.

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digitize wrote:

Actually, what the Keymaker says is, "Once the door is unprotected, the connection will be severed, but another connection must first be made.  <How long will that take?>  Exactly 314 seconds." 

I don't think this is a reference to how long the electricity will be out (or that it will auto-restart), but rather he is referring to the amount of time it will take the machines to establish a new connection to the Source once the original connection has been unprotected (something totally different).

Still, I do think it's possible that the power was restarted by someone else.

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The Agent that remained in the building could have restarted the emergency system.

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digitize wrote:

And I find it interesting that you're saying that the people who worked on that scene are wrong. Still, nobody has to accept them.

Well, since you didn't provide any direct link to what you quoted from the special effects crew, I really don't know what they actually said, vs. your interpretation of what they said.  Besides, most things about the Matrix are open to interpretation anyway.

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It can probably be found in here, in the 28 page article named "Neo Realism"

The fire doesn't represent anything to me, other than the intent to cover **bleep** poor scripting with a cool effect, and then blatantly cover it up as some sort of rage, but hey, movies have been doing that for years.

Generally speaking, yes, bomb went off, that much was made clear, that once that conenction was recreated, the bomb would be triggered. You can cut it as many ways as you want, but that's the simple fact of things.

Second, the Architect was in his own private construct, outside of the Matrix proper, thus why he is never bothered by Smith, or even hit by the reboots the Matrix goes through. Since his construct is seperate from the Matrix proper, we don't know exactly what Neo actually had to go through to physically go from the Construct back to the building he was at, sinceit was evident he was recalled after he put the key in the door. So that explains the agian, poor scripting and blowing up of the door flyby non-sense.

And as a last note, i don't buy any non-sense about rage made manifest. If it was, it was done very shodily. As far as I am concerned, Neo was just flying throught he building floor as it was exploding from the bomb, which, might I rmeind ppl, is talked about I believe in the first or second Sentinel here (which I am quite sure the Wachowski's helped with).