17 posts · 2006-04-11 20:52:14 to 2006-05-17 10:21:58
#1120000382604/11/2006 20:52:14Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
This is just a quick thought.
T.A.'s boss at Metacortex said to him in the first movie:
"You have a problem with authority, Mr Anderson. You believe you are special. That, somehow, the rules do not apply to you. Obviously, you are mistaken."
Do you take what Anderson's boss said literally? If so, what are your thoughts about it? The line in partlicular I'm referring to is, "Obviously you are mistaken." Could that have been forshadowing by the Watchowskis that Neo was nothing special, just a system of control?
#1120000382704/11/2006 21:36:30Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
so...I kept watching the movie, for the 200th time, and Morpheus asks Tank during Neo's training, "How is he doing?" Tank says, "Ten hours straight. He's a machine."
Can this be taken literally?
I've never seen this discussed. If it has, please point me to the thread.
#1120000382804/11/2006 21:37:08Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
It sure seems like the system trying to ensure conformity by crushing spirit.
#1120000382904/11/2006 22:11:50Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
no i dont think its literal dude.. plus if it was why would zion allow a machine in the zion base... huh in the movies i mean.... and if hes mistaken then he is clearly not the one ...
correct me if i am wrong please.
#1120000383004/11/2006 23:43:23Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
What Rineheart says is simply a reference to the fact that Neo is not supposed to be turning up late for work etc. Though it is probably a device the Wachowski's used to show Neo as part of the system.
The reference to Neo being a machine is as far as I can see referring to his ability to take large amounts of data into his brain nonstop- something only a machine is supposed to do.
#1120000383104/12/2006 00:35:20Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
ahh ok sry guys now i understand i think...
#1120000383204/12/2006 01:34:19Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
Undoubtedly, the Wachowski's really had this in mind when they wrote Mr. Rhinehearts monologue. Would be weird if not. But the actual meaning really applies to Mr. Anderson as a Metacortex worker and not as the One.
#1120000383304/12/2006 02:20:58Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
Although it does add a further note to the idea that was pressed upon Neo by the oracle that he is not the one. rather than being told what/who he is he made that choicer himself by saving Morpheus and fighting Smith in the subway, and in that same way I'm sure all the other potentials made that choice most likely subconsciencely that they were in fact not the one.
#1120000385504/13/2006 13:17:16Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
i agree with Miltios on this one i like his theory so far lol keep postin my head it about to explode with all this philsophy lol
#1120000387104/14/2006 18:16:34Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
well if you remember in the movie when the oracle told neo he wasn't the one she said something along the lines maybe in another life he would be...he does die at the end of the movie and come back as the one
#1120000387304/14/2006 22:34:53Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
What his boss said to him was one of those things that fans will go back and pick out, as we all have. If you were sharp enough to pick it up the first time you watched it, then it was foreshadowing.
As for Tank saying he is a machine, that can be either irony or dialogue that persuades the viewer to see what was further emphasised in the sequels. The Bros said that between Reloaded and Revolutions, that Neo became more machine (seeinghis lack of humor and extra stiff sholdours) and that Smith became more human as a result of their first and second battles. Smith began to feel emotions of disgust and hatred.Actually, their roles were set in motion well before their first battle, as we know now, with the prophecy and Smith knowing how things are "going exactly as last time. Well, not exactly ..."
Two years of living the dream... and interpreting it! ~Variel
#1120000401604/28/2006 03:42:29Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
Mr Rhineheart's speech was brilliant scripting.
It's effectively a synopsis of who and what Neo is, or will turn out to be in the film. They're telling you exactly what the film is going to be about, without telling you. It's fun to rewatch that scene and listen to what he says
As for Tank's comment, I think it's just a tongue-in-cheek line, or perhaps a poor choice of phrase on Tank's part. There's nothing concrete to say that Neo was a machine (as a lot of theories doing the rounds before the 2nd two films alluded to), so I don't think we can read too much into it.
#1120000402604/28/2006 13:14:48Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
The average free born is much more intelligent than most blue pills. Tank is correct.
#1120000402804/28/2006 13:27:19Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
AqueousRei wrote:
The average free born is much more intelligent than most blue pills.
How do we know this?
The average person born in Zion may be more aware than most bluepills, but I doubt they're any more intelligent.
Illyria
#1120000402904/28/2006 13:34:07Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
Illyria22 wrote:
AqueousRei wrote:
The average free born is much more intelligent than most blue pills.
How do we know this? ...
Illyria
Each time we wiped out zion it was started again by an exceptionally specific & chosen group. Idiots also make for long-term batteries, we like to keep those.
#1120000416705/13/2006 19:49:00Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
neo was the first machinist: he pursued an agenda of peace and realized
the futility of the struggle. he could have done the same thing as
smith, but chose truce.
as for mr reinhart (however you spell it), he was just a dude. the real
foreshadowing in that scene is when neo looks out the window at the
window washers. that part foreshadows him having to run from the agents
and also the helicopter crash.
he couldnt be that important, since tommys attention isnt on him.
#1120000419105/17/2006 10:21:58Re: Something Thomas Anderson's boss said
There's lots of little things in the first movie that meant nothing to you the first time, but now they really make you think, now that you've seen the whole trilogy. My personal favorite:
The Oracle: (about the vase that Neo breaks) "I said don't worry about it. I'll get one of my kids to fix it."
Since we now know the Oracle is the Mother of the Matrix, we can only wonder, did she mean one of the kids in the front room? Or perhaps a program?
