One little thing that always bugged me was how the Agents addresssed Morpheus. They just called him... Morpheus. Not Mr. So-and-so as they do with all the other red pills. Admittedly, the only other awakened they ever mention is Neo, but it seems the rule is that the Agents always refer to the person by their "real name" that they had before they were unplugged. So do they just not know Morpheus's name or was he afforded that much respect by the Agents?
What was Morpheus's name?
41 posts · 2005-08-22 08:00:41 to 2009-02-23 03:49:08
Perhaps he simply doesn't have a previous name.
Entirely possible.
Born out of a hospital, to a life of poverty.
He could've gone his entire Bluepill life without ever having signed a form or had his name entered anywhere.
Entirely possible.
Entirely possible.
Born out of a hospital, to a life of poverty.
He could've gone his entire Bluepill life without ever having signed a form or had his name entered anywhere.
Entirely possible.
hmmm thats true.
maybe he lived on the streets?
Morpheus didn't have a very long life as a redpill, he was awakened at an early age as indicated by one of the Matrix comics where they hold the Bread feast in Zion. One of the frames from that comic depicts a young Morpheus chowing down on some good 'ol fasioned bread.
As for his real name, no idea. Just thougth I'd add in the young Morpheus bit.
Edit: I researched. Here is the comic. Read through it, or you can skip to Page 9b and see what I'm talking about.
As for his real name, no idea. Just thougth I'd add in the young Morpheus bit.
Edit: I researched. Here is the comic. Read through it, or you can skip to Page 9b and see what I'm talking about.
Message Edited by MxoGaspar on 08-22-2005 01:04 PM
That was an excellent question TheFates. And the answers that follow it are equally feasable.
Boy I cant wait for a Live Event. :manindifferent:
I've been thinking about this one. now, I played Enter the Matrix. In it, Niobe calls several contacts to tell the other ships to meet. She get's an answering machine with Morpheus' voice saying. "Welcome to the Daniel's Institute of Dream Interpretation." Perhaps Morpheus (God of Sleep and Dreams) Blue Name is Daniels
I doubt it. The "Daniel" reference in ETM was a pointer to the biblical
Daniel who interpreted King Nebachadnezzer's troubling dream.
Daniel who interpreted King Nebachadnezzer's troubling dream.
He was a barber, remember? XD
i think he had a really long name so the agents probally thought it was easier to say morpheus
These are a list of the infamous Morpheus' bluepill names that might be...
Jason 'Furious' Styles.
Nick Holbrook.
Roosevelt Stokes.
Vinnie.
Hannibal Lee.
Bumpy Johnson.
Socrates Fortlow.
Thrax.
Marion Bishop.
Dr. Joshua Larabee.
Glu Glu Lawyer.
Charlie Stobbs.
Jimbo Collins.
Robby Robinson.
Nat Love.
Cowboy Curtis.
Many, many others but my personal favorite:
Prison Guard.
Jason 'Furious' Styles.
Nick Holbrook.
Roosevelt Stokes.
Vinnie.
Hannibal Lee.
Bumpy Johnson.
Socrates Fortlow.
Thrax.
Marion Bishop.
Dr. Joshua Larabee.
Glu Glu Lawyer.
Charlie Stobbs.
Jimbo Collins.
Robby Robinson.
Nat Love.
Cowboy Curtis.
Many, many others but my personal favorite:
Prison Guard.
TheFates wrote:
One little thing that always bugged me was how the Agents addresssed Morpheus. They just called him... Morpheus. Not Mr. So-and-so as they do with all the other red pills. Admittedly, the only other awakened they ever mention is Neo, but it seems the rule is that the Agents always refer to the person by their "real name" that they had before they were unplugged. So do they just not know Morpheus's name or was he afforded that much respect by the Agents?
You're kidding, right?
Maybe when he was alive we should of asked him...
.
Should have thought about that earlier...
I thought he was born in Zion, never was a redpill...I am probly wrong
though since there is other posts in here that say otherwise
though since there is other posts in here that say otherwise
If he was born in Zion then they must have had some kind of surgery to put in the ports and holes 
.. Which I doubt.
.. Which I doubt.
To my knowledge, Morpheus' true name has never been revealed in any Matrix mythology, movies or extended stories. Morpheus was freed at an early age, but it is entirely possible that maybe he decided not to have a name, a name given to him by a system he rejected and hated. Like Malcolm Little, a man we know as Malcolm X. He didn't use the surname he had, because it was against his beliefs to use what he called his "slave name". As such, Morpheus could have never used it, and it would fall out of favor and be lost.
As far as the Agents not calling him by his proper name.....you got me....I sense a plot hole.
As far as the Agents not calling him by his proper name.....you got me....I sense a plot hole.
Message Edited by Trikraft on 08-23-2005 08:09 AM
Yes, and he jacked into the Matrix using the "Hopes, prayers and witchcraft" method.
shadows_of_pain wrote:
I
thought he was born in Zion, never was a redpill...I am probly wrong
though since there is other posts in here that say otherwise
Shouki wrote:
Maybe when he was alive we should of asked him...
What do you mean, "when he was alive?"
The ignorance of these people...
2Megaritz. Uknow, he is kinda dead already for 2 months...
The Sentinel gives us a clue:
Yet
my contact downtown says there's a full-on red alert for
this ersatz Morpheus character (real name:
We're not T. Elling).
Yet
my contact downtown says there's a full-on red alert for
this ersatz Morpheus character (real name:
We're not T. Elling).
It is also possible that Morpheus just never appeared on the Agents' radar. They did a search to find out that Neo was "Mr. Anderson." Morphy could have led an overly cautious life until he was removed from the Matrix, and the machines have no idea what his slave name was, and he does not feel inclined to share it.
Re:
I've been thinking about this one. now, I played
Enter the Matrix. In it, Niobe calls several contacts to tell the other
ships to meet. She get's an answering machine with Morpheus' voice
saying. "Welcome to the Daniel's Institute of Dream Interpretation."
Perhaps Morpheus (God of Sleep and Dreams) Blue Name is Daniels
I do agree with this statement... I remember looking at some info on
MxO or the movies that that his name is Daniel but I don’t recall where
but I am positive it is Daniel. if I remember i will post where i got
my info.
I've been thinking about this one. now, I played
Enter the Matrix. In it, Niobe calls several contacts to tell the other
ships to meet. She get's an answering machine with Morpheus' voice
saying. "Welcome to the Daniel's Institute of Dream Interpretation."
Perhaps Morpheus (God of Sleep and Dreams) Blue Name is Daniels
I do agree with this statement... I remember looking at some info on
MxO or the movies that that his name is Daniel but I don’t recall where
but I am positive it is Daniel. if I remember i will post where i got
my info.
I believe Foxxdie addressed the Daniel's Institute reference already, and remember it was only ONE of many ways that Morpheus and Zion's Operatives fronted themselves in the Matrix.
As for Morpheus's Bluepill name, he was unplugged very early in his life and as depicted in the Matrix Comics Vol.1 and mentioned earlier in this thread, he was a shaven-headed Buddhist-robed acolyte looking remarkably similar to one of the Oracle's 'potentials'.
When the Oracle's potentials were liberated to Zion, they were referred to as 'the Orphans' and if Morpheus was one of her 'orphans' and a 'potential' then it would be easy to stay under the Agent radar and remain nameless in the Bluepill world. The special relationship Morpheus has with the Oracle could be interpreted as motherly to a son and she seems to know more about him than anyone. Not to mention that even after the Oracle is revealed to be a Machine Program, Morpheus still seeks her advice and guidance which indicates a bond and trust relationship extending beyond the casual.
So, maybe his anonymity as an Orphan in the Bluepill Matrix and his guidance as a 'potential' by the Oracle before his liberation to Zion protected him from being named by the system. When his purpose was revealed to him, the name Morpheus was either given to him or he took it as his own understanding the role he would play in Zion's future. The Machine Agents never 'met' Morpheus which is why the were hunting him, and they would have referred to him using the name he was known by as a dangerous 'terrorist' and Zion operative.
By the way... Neo isn't the only one who gets called by his bluepill name by an Agent in the films.
When Agent Smith takes Cypher out to dinner, he refers to him as "Mr. Reagan." I don't know if the name has any further symbolism, but Cypher does express interests in not being able to remember anything, and being made "someone important... like an actor."
- Void
When Agent Smith takes Cypher out to dinner, he refers to him as "Mr. Reagan." I don't know if the name has any further symbolism, but Cypher does express interests in not being able to remember anything, and being made "someone important... like an actor."
- Void
Morpheus was called Morpheus by the Agents because he earned the respect. Remeber Morpheus had been fighting the war in The Matrix all his life while we only saw Neo fighting in the war for less than a year, the Agents had no respect for him. Then when he died and then finally came back and THe One was in him I guess that is when Neo earned his respect.
True that the name Daniel could have just been a front but just the symbolism behind it and everything else tied to morpheus shows that it could have been his name. Truth is its never stated and once again the bros left that as one of the many things you can just make up for yourself.
I'll probably get this wrong but am I right in saying Smith was the only agent that called Neo "Mr. Anderson", because the agents do refer to him as neo in the first film. Maybe it's just Smiths favoured name to call him as that is what he was used to calling him. And morpheus was just what he learnt his name to be.
well the respect idea is kinda flawed because neo defeated smith saving both zion and the machine culture but in past mxo events they still referred to him as mr. anderson so if your theory is correct he still hasnt earnt their respect
:smileytongue:
EDIT: bloody typos, pfft
Message Edited by cloudwol on 09-06-2005 10:58 AM
Well, IMO it's close to the "respect" alternative, but not so much about respect. Morpheus was one of the most active members of the Zion fleet when it comes to bluepill interaction. He performed countless actions which could only be explained to the bluepills as terrorism (ie. blowing stuff up and such). He probably tried to spread the word about the Matrix too (which is, I guess, how Neo knew about the word "Matrix"), so his attempts were probably well known. And since he never struck me as the shy type, I think he indentified his name well (for instance, so some people might have a clue at who to look when trying to find him). So he became known as Morpheus for the people of the Matrix. And so he became known as Morpheus, and the Agents started calling him by that alias too.
or maybe they just plan old forgot to give him a name
Smith calls Neo "Mr Anderson" constantly as a mark of disrespect. He
refuses to acknowledge him as the One and uses the name to constantly
belittle him. Notice how p!ssed Neo gets in the subway.
refuses to acknowledge him as the One and uses the name to constantly
belittle him. Notice how p!ssed Neo gets in the subway.
Well like i said, all the agents in MxO have called Neo Mr.Anderson so unless they ALL hate Neo then it isnt meant as a sign of either respect or disrespect.
Oh *CENSORED* we all know MXO isnt up to par with the movies.
err... ok. that was random and had nothing to do with the topic at hand but hey :smileytongue:
Sykin wrote:
These are a list of the infamous Morpheus' bluepill names that might be...
Jason 'Furious' Styles.
Nick Holbrook.
Roosevelt Stokes.
Vinnie.
Hannibal Lee.
Bumpy Johnson.
Socrates Fortlow.
Thrax.
Marion Bishop.
Dr. Joshua Larabee.
Glu Glu Lawyer.
Charlie Stobbs.
Jimbo Collins.
Robby Robinson.
Nat Love.
Cowboy Curtis.
Many, many others but my personal favorite:
Prison Guard.
Jack Vermillion.
Kakakakak.
Marty Feldman
This is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j51z...feature=related
Daniel is a part mythical, part historical figure who interpreted the dreams of Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel was also the successor to the character of Morpheus in the Neil Gaiman graphic novels. Dream of The Endless was printed by DC Comics and featured Dream/Morpheus as the principle character. He eventually "died" and was replaced by a character called Daniel Hall, who then inherited the name of Dream. They shared very similar powers and were described as being different views of the same subject.
Is Daniel the first name of Morpheus?
There is nothing to suggest that the Bluepill name of Morpheus was Daniel. Morpheus is most likely to have used the name "Daniel" in naming The Daniel Institute of Dream Interpretation, because of the link to dream interpretation. The whole idea of an instuitute which interprets dreams would be a useful facade for Morpheus: It accomodates the discussion of the perception of Reality; in a context which would not seem unnatural or out of place.
The Wachowski Brothers have stated that part of original inspiration for the character of Morpheus, came from Gaiman's graphic novels. Laurence Fishburne's haunting voice was said to remind them of the unique style of speech which Dream was always shown to use in the DC comics.
/triviastop
Sorry X, just gotta say..
SUPER NECRO FTW!!
lol, but i'm game. I'm inclined to think that the "he was too young" part is the answer here. The movies indicate that most people are freed when they are still young. It might have been a decade or more between the time when Morpheus was surreptitiously freed, and he returned to the Matrix as an Operative. The system would know him by his hacker alias. Heck, even if he had an official name as an Orphan, they might not be able to match up the identity of an adult man with his child RSI. So they maybe just don't know.
I think its equally possible thats its just an oversight, that the Bro's didn't yet realize how an*l their legions of fans would become over every little detail of these films. 
EndlessVoid wrote:
By the way... Neo isn't the only one who gets called by his bluepill name by an Agent in the films.
When Agent Smith takes Cypher out to dinner, he refers to him as "Mr. Reagan." I don't know if the name has any further symbolism, but Cypher does express interests in not being able to remember anything, and being made "someone important... like an actor."
- Void
Just in case anyone didn't notice the really obvious. Ronald Reagan was an actor (tick), president (someone important - tick) and has alzheimer's (doesn't remember anything - tick).
I loled at that the first time I saw the movie.