Ok, we learned food are like trojans in the matrix. ( Reloaded Scene with Frenchman and his coded cake for that woman ). And we saw neo took food from the oracle.
What do you think?
dave
Message Edited by davemusic on 08-17-2005 07:54 PM
Do you think Neo would have become the one if he had NOT eaten "cookies" from the oracle?
20 posts · 2005-08-17 09:51:12 to 2006-04-20 21:02:37
Neo had always been the one, it was the realization that he was that made him so. A cookie is always a cookie. And Neo was always the one. Much like a dream that you are surrounded by a psuedo reality, if you realize that you are dreaming, you gain infinite power since your mind knows no boundaries.
(twilight zone music)
lol... sounds like : just a cookie.
Turn of your Firewall and accept all cookies, surf around a while and you´ll see what a cookie can do.
...have you noticed that in the beginner-cinematic when the player meets the oracle in the ego-perspective the player denies the offer for a cookie from the oracle? :smileywink:
dave
Message Edited by davemusic on 08-17-2005 08:26 PM
Message Edited by davemusic on 08-17-2005 08:27 PM
I'm probably not alone here, but I don't think the cookie was the deciding factor. The Oracle, with her cryptic messages and hidden meanings, helped push Neo down a certain path because that is her purpose. To gauge the human psyche. But whenever a fork in the road appeared, it was up to Neo to make the choice for himself.
All throughout the movie, Neo is constantly making choices. Red pill or blue pill. Hit or miss. Jump or fall. Live or die. The choices that Neo makes, eventually lead to his death.
I might be reading a bit too into this, but I have a small theory about a hint that was given in the middle of the first movie about Neo's destiny to become The One.
When Morpheus takes Neo to see The Oracle, they are standing outside her apartment. Morpheus says:
"I can only show you the door. You have to walk through it."
Neo reaches for the door knob, but the door is suddenly opened by someone else. A woman. A woman literally opens the door for Neo.
At the end of the movie, another door is opened. The door that determines if Neo lives or dies. But it is not Neo who opens the door as we are lead to assume he must do. Trinity opens it for him by professing her love for him, thus resurrecting Neo and causing him to become The One. It was her destiny to fall in love with The One. Her love for Neo, and Neo's capacity for love, is what created The One.
puh... uhm... i know what you mean manicvelocity and i had your thoughts earlier...uhm..my english touches it´s borders to explain this. i do my best...
I have listen to the architect dialog, the frenchmen dialogs and the oracle dialogs several times.
I understand the architect as the one who created the matrix. he explains that every choice can be pre-calculated up to a small percentage. And he explains that the oracle is the program who knows how to handle this small percentage.... that make me ask: how? ... and then i tried to understand the reloaded frenchman dialog.... talking about causality over and over... and then this cake.... he tries to say explain something.... but what?...... then i reviewed the oracle scenes and noticed the cookies...
and the trinity-love thing?.... after all i bet she had a cookie when the oracle said she will fall in love with the one.
Yiwe
Neo's ascension was inevitable. All he had to do was accept it. And he did. And it happened.
^^^ what he/she said
Had nothing to do with the cookies, Neo was just a normal red pill,
however, he had to think he was the one, any red pill could be the one.
for if you belive it, it is so.
Besides if it was the cookies we'd all be super redpills in game by now :smileywink:
however, he had to think he was the one, any red pill could be the one.
for if you belive it, it is so.
Besides if it was the cookies we'd all be super redpills in game by now :smileywink:
He didn't become the One. He was given the title.
The cookie was the key to open the world for Neo.
perhaps there were something to those cookies after all.
there was something to the Merovingian's chocolate cake, right? maybe
baked goods play an important role in the matrix. i know they do in my
life.
there was something to the Merovingian's chocolate cake, right? maybe
baked goods play an important role in the matrix. i know they do in my
life.
The cookies and candies are symbols of his dependence of her and her role as the Oracle. When he no longer accepted the cookie/candy, she told him the truth. Why? Because he was ready for it. You guys really should dig into the "Code that Neo carries" thread. There's a lot to learn on that subject.
I doubt being The One has anything to do with baked goods, and, while it seems that cookies can do the same...things...to your RSI as they can to your computer, i think Morpheus already said that Neo was The One, it had nothing to do with what the Oracle put in her oven that day.
(Granted, the cookie probably did something, just not that)
/revitilize thread 3.0 
Magic cookies are for Neoism! Don't you ever pay attention? Eat a cookie and you can fly. Eat a second and you can own Agents. Eat a third and strange, yet happy things happen in the Real. Eat a fourth and colourful butterflies a la Cowboy BeBop will follow you around.
Eat a fifth and I can show you the magical door to the Neverland of Squirrels.
I'm not allowed to say what happens if you eat a sixth.
From Wikipedia:
During the film the Oracle is seen showing Sati how to bake cookies. It has been speculated that the Oracle's cookies are actually representations of special Matrix-codes she makes (The Merovingian is capable of "programming" his own 'special' piece of cake that gave a woman an orgasm when she ate it). Thus the Oracle could have activated some new level of function and understanding in Neo when she gave him a cookie (and later a candy). Therefore the scene with Sati being taught this may imply that she is being kept by the Oracle not just to hide, but as a protege.
Message Edited by Fractor on 04-18-2006 04:33 AM
i readsomewhere that as part of the oracals programming she is the one who supplies the one with the code that hes supposed to take back to the source to start the matrix over again. but this time she rebelled against that programming and gave neo a code that would allow him to absorb and be absorbed by agent smith. thus setting off a chain of events that would make the source depended on neo to save the matrix instead of to save zion. thats what the cookies were.
if you observed the films you would know that the architect is the program who balances the equation.
the oracle does the opposite and by creating an imbalance.
she cannot create code she can only manipulate it as she herself is an exile just like the frenchman.
the architect is the boss of the matrix he has the pwoer to write code but it is done only to try and balance the forces within the matrix.
every now and again an annomally occurs and that is what neo is an anomally.
if you allow an anomally to progess it advances until it unbalances the forces within the matrix.
that was why smith was resurrected and modified by the architect to balance the equation. but computers do make mistakes as we are all aware of im sure.
neo is a bug within the matrix program itself.
the archetect had a system for defeatingthe bug by restarting the matrix.(reboot pc) meaning when the one returns to the source the matrix is reset to default and it starts all over again.
but because the bug is in the original program it keeps coming back.
cookies are nothing to do with it nor any other baked goods.
the ONE is a title to discribe this anomally. and if you recall there were others before neo so in actual fact neo is not the one instead he is one of many.
the only difference is he walked the path the others chose not too
the oracle does the opposite and by creating an imbalance.
she cannot create code she can only manipulate it as she herself is an exile just like the frenchman.
the architect is the boss of the matrix he has the pwoer to write code but it is done only to try and balance the forces within the matrix.
every now and again an annomally occurs and that is what neo is an anomally.
if you allow an anomally to progess it advances until it unbalances the forces within the matrix.
that was why smith was resurrected and modified by the architect to balance the equation. but computers do make mistakes as we are all aware of im sure.
neo is a bug within the matrix program itself.
the archetect had a system for defeatingthe bug by restarting the matrix.(reboot pc) meaning when the one returns to the source the matrix is reset to default and it starts all over again.
but because the bug is in the original program it keeps coming back.
cookies are nothing to do with it nor any other baked goods.
the ONE is a title to discribe this anomally. and if you recall there were others before neo so in actual fact neo is not the one instead he is one of many.
the only difference is he walked the path the others chose not too
Message Edited by fowkes on 04-19-2006 11:37 PM
i dont think your right and ill explain why.
first you say that the oracle cannot make code and that she is an exile like the frenchman. i think shes much more important than that. even the source says shes the mother of the matrix. and she cant be like an exile. exile are defected programs who ran from deletion. the oracle is a program in the matrix serving her purpose. her purpose could include writing code. and if you watched the movies the frenchman wrote the code for the cake..so there goes your only the source can write code theory.
second. the one is an anomoly. but it is clear that neo is not just an anomoly. the source picks up on this when he notices neo responded to his answer of neos purpose faster than the rest. also..at the end of the movie the source tells the oracle that she played a dangerous game. if he was referring to her intended purpose he wouldnt have called it a game. she bent the rules of her own purpose to achieve and ends that was not meant to be. that is why he said that to her. so what did she do that was different from what she did to the other one's. who knows. but my guess is the same as i stated above. that she put a different code into cookies or candy to create the imbalance between him and smith.
or maybe it was the idea that neo fell inlove with trinity and it has nothing to do with cookies or candy. maybe that was the difference between neo and the other one's. either way you cant downplay the oracles roll in it. she did something different to achieve the outcome that happened.
It's the Great Three:
The Architect - lords over all big code thingies in the Matrix
The Merovingian - the Trash Can or Recycling Bin of the Matrix (keeps after programs that don't wanna be deleted), and may or may not have orginally been a Library program to keep the RAM for Archy fresh. (Like those who keep their Halloween masks in their alts' inventories. You know who you are)
The Oracle - studies the human soul and probably maps it out for the other two
Notice how they all have "The" in their title, and not even a name when they were first designed?
The One code can be found in the cookie.
The Three code can be found in the orgasma cake.
Both of them make you feel good.
Message Edited by ZippydaSquirl on 04-20-2006 04:46 PM
well thought out DarkHaze but
ask yourself what is the frenchman, what was his purpose, why was he coded.
perhaps the frenchman wwas the architect from the first version of the matrix, you do not know.
the ONE code was constructed on neos birth like any new user if they do not understand the code they cannot use it to its full potential. the one code became active during is first insertion after his extraction. his lenght of time within the matrix was alot longer tha nother redpills therefore his mind had more time to learn the code. yes you read it right that is what made him different his scepticism allowed his mind to process the matrix code in a new way allowing him to learn how to use it to get the results he needed.
if the oracle could write code or modify the one then it is only logical to assume that the architect could too so why didnt he. i tell you why becaause you cannot change what you dont understand. as stated in the films the one is a code anomaly. and i say that it is only the one code that is the anomaly. neo is a person and is experiences within the matrix and within himself are the deciding factors ni weather on not the one code follows the same path as it has previously done.
if the one was code was created by the oracle it could just as well be deleted. but since the film clearly states the one is an anomaly. and that it surfaced numerous times within numerous RSI's since the creation of the matrix. it is only logical to assume that it is part of the matrix itself therefore cannot be destroyed that is why when the one is discovered it is returned to the source so as the matrix can be restarted.
also consider the fact that the one might have been purposely created so as the machines have a method of discarding those who dont accept their lies. if people were suddenly to die off when they stopped believing then eventually the lie would revealled. humanity cannot be controolled as it has been proven by the fact that the machines must manipulate their minds inot believing that the matrix is the real world. such a large death rate would create suspicion and eventual the viel would fall.
unless you are to believe that zions randomly go around picking people to extract. how did you think morhpeus discoverd neo.
ask yourself what is the frenchman, what was his purpose, why was he coded.
perhaps the frenchman wwas the architect from the first version of the matrix, you do not know.
the ONE code was constructed on neos birth like any new user if they do not understand the code they cannot use it to its full potential. the one code became active during is first insertion after his extraction. his lenght of time within the matrix was alot longer tha nother redpills therefore his mind had more time to learn the code. yes you read it right that is what made him different his scepticism allowed his mind to process the matrix code in a new way allowing him to learn how to use it to get the results he needed.
if the oracle could write code or modify the one then it is only logical to assume that the architect could too so why didnt he. i tell you why becaause you cannot change what you dont understand. as stated in the films the one is a code anomaly. and i say that it is only the one code that is the anomaly. neo is a person and is experiences within the matrix and within himself are the deciding factors ni weather on not the one code follows the same path as it has previously done.
if the one was code was created by the oracle it could just as well be deleted. but since the film clearly states the one is an anomaly. and that it surfaced numerous times within numerous RSI's since the creation of the matrix. it is only logical to assume that it is part of the matrix itself therefore cannot be destroyed that is why when the one is discovered it is returned to the source so as the matrix can be restarted.
also consider the fact that the one might have been purposely created so as the machines have a method of discarding those who dont accept their lies. if people were suddenly to die off when they stopped believing then eventually the lie would revealled. humanity cannot be controolled as it has been proven by the fact that the machines must manipulate their minds inot believing that the matrix is the real world. such a large death rate would create suspicion and eventual the viel would fall.
unless you are to believe that zions randomly go around picking people to extract. how did you think morhpeus discoverd neo.