Petition for a non-hacker server

Message Edited by TheChanMan on 09-07-2005 10:17 AM

I thought of this idea awhile back. I think it might be fun to have
one, but I'm holding off on signing this until we see how the devs
change the combat system.

*Disclaimer: I am not a hacker, and nor have I ever played a hacker, I don't like them, but :::**



hahahahahahaha!



Seriously, there's no chance in hell this will be allowed, to delete an
ENTIRE tree for a server would...funnily enough, cause class imbalances
and would be too much hassle for SOE to deal with, especially at this
crucial crux of game modification.

Well done pblade but I think I covered that,either /sign or mind your own.

I personally don't see a need for it.



MA complain about hackers, hackers complain about knife throwers, knife throwers complain about gunman, ... etc its a cycle.



I have played a knife thrower/assassin combo and even though people are complaining it is nerfed; I love it as is. Hacker, Vector, Despoiler they all seem to die when I use knife thrower. I throw a knife while sleathed that does damage over time and they have a hard time using abilities because it interupts them.



People say knife throwers can't hit, well ever tried to hit a hacker? They have no bonuses to ct for a reason. I use a +15 ct booster and do hard missions. The only time I have trouble is against gunman cause they shoot the life out of me.



People want to be invincible and be able to kill everyone by themselves, even other players. There is no need for a new server. People just need to realize they aren't invincible.

Message Edited by dsefird on 09-07-2005 10:48 AM

**bleep**, Skim reading comes to my hindrance again.



I read that comment, and apologise, it was silly of me to be so quick to chaste.



However, i'm not going to sign as my point (and yours it would seem) still remain.

I'm not going to sign too :smileymad:

Yes it would still remain but thats no reason not to sign,as I said,it's not like soe will do anything anyway I just wanted to know how many people would have chosen a non-hacker server to start off with if they had known how things were going to turn out.

It's not just about how overpowered hackers are believe it or not (I too have a knife thrower loadout) It's also about the way hacker doesnt fit in with the rest of the matrix universe.I know hackers feel that it does but if there was a non-hacker server then the problem would be solved-hackers stay where they are and anyone that thinks hacker should be removed could just remove themselves to the non-hacker world.

But once again,I don't expect anything to come of it but it would be interesting to see how many people would have opted for the non hacker world.

Freiheit,no I don't play on vector and no I'm not a noob or I would be using the hacker tree.

And as for the other 2 idiots,I said I didnt expect hackers to sign as they are way too selfish and only too happy to make sure other people have no fun even if said peoples fun doesnt effect them in anyway.

Message Edited by TheChanMan on 09-07-2005 10:59 AM

/no sign

Deal with hackers.

 The Thread Below, My Opinoin

This doesn't actually address the problem. From a development
standpoint you want to ensure that you can introduce a solution which
deals with the issue for the long term.



In this case, you'd be removing an entire tree...which would be removing:



1) A key, interesting and innovative part of the game

2) Removing the ability to have a player change his/her mind without having to change servers



Not to mention the extra development time involved in settingup the
platform, the logistical side and of course provide support for an
extra game world which also means a longer testing/debugging cycle.



I work alongside internet infrastructure developers every day, I can
assure you I am only posting this because I know it's a bad idea. I
*totally* see where you're coming fro, but a proper balanced solution
is needed.



Thanks,



Rsync.

Never Happen but I want it so much so

/Sign

Wow. You can't be serious.



Look, normally I'm not one to call people out on forums (an old adage
about winning the special olympics comes to mind) but I'll make an
exception in this case.



A) This is a public forum for discussion. Don't believe me? Look up.
"Community Forums." "General Discussion." Why should I give a rat's @$$
about your little disclaimer at the top of your post? "IF J00 AGREE
WITH ME, YOU CAN TALK. EVERYONE ELSE SHUT UP." You're breathing *our*
air right now, and taking up space on *our* forum, so we will post what
we **bleep** well please. You can take your private parties elsewhere.



B) It doesn't help that your point is basically "Hackers make me angry"
and you "honestly can't be bothered at the moment" to come up with any
good reasons why or how SOE should take time away from fixing REAL bugs
to make people you don't like disappear from your sight. Heck, I'll
/sign if you expand the idea to having 50 different servers, one that
excludes every class of player in the game. Personally, I'm shooting
for a "BOYS ONLY, NO GIRL COOTIES ALLOWED" treehouse
server. Sure, it'll be a sausage-fest, but at least you won't feel
weird not knowing if the female RSI that just hit on you is really a
50-year-old man in his tighty-whities.



C) And I quote...

"And as for the other 2 idiots,I said I didnt expect hackers to sign as
they are way too selfish and only too happy to make sure other people
have no fun even if said peoples fun doesnt effect them in anyway."

Believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with you is a witch... er,  I mean communist
Hacker. Personally, I think your idea is ridiculous, and I haven't
TOUCHED the hacker tree since about level 4, 'cuz I think the pretty
fireworks shows that accompany that class absolutely destroy the
immersion-factor of the game.



I'm sorry, I normally try to give people the benefit of the doubt on
forums like this, but I'm real tempted at the moment to just echo
UnholyFactions' response:

"you,sir, are an idiot."



...

...



eh, on second thought, I'm sold.

/sign

:robottongue:

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TheChanMan wrote:

lol did you even read the opening post? or the one above for that matter....

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I
think the point here is that this thread is effectively spam unless you
created the thread to encourage actual discussion rather than telling
those who disagree with you to shove it.

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TheChanMan wrote:

I
don't understand why anyone would be against the idea because if it
ever did happen it would'nt effect them at all unless they wanted to
use the server.

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The reason it would affect the rest of the community (even those who
didn't use the non-hacker server) is because the development team has
very limited resources with which to update and maintain the game, and
they're already strained to get out what *seem* like easy fixes to
those of us who haven't seen the code this game runs on. The amount of
coding/testing time that would be necessary to do what you're proposing
would be HUGE, and every minute they spent on this non-hacker server
idea would be a minute that they're not fixing critical bugs or adding
new content. And yes, I realize that one of your ground rules that you
laid down was that we are to disregard the effort that would be
involved in implementing your plan. But if we're supposed to carry on
this discussion without discussing the relevant facts, then what's the
point of this thread in the first place?

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TheChanMan wrote:

Please enlighten me,why are most of the replys hate filled?

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The point at which you started referring to those who disagreed with you as "the other 2 idiots" was probably a good starting point.



But as for myself, I will apologize, I was a little vicious up there
and I seriously don't like getting into flamewars with people on
boards. I hope you do understand though why there's such an outcry
against the idea, and if you don't understand, I'm sure that there's
plenty of people who have replied here that will be more than willing
to discuss the idea with you as long as you allow them to tell their
side without telling them to "mind their own" or associating them with
the class of players you characterize as being "a pile of **bleep**
stinking up [your] game".

Perhaps if this were the kind of game where you could run your own server (CS or RvS for exe.) than you could set up your little server based rules to make the game better suite your style of play (pistols or sniper only for exe.) but it's not. It's a game where the servers are run by the company and as such they WILL NOT and CAN NOT cater to everyones demands with regard to game changes that would enhance one or one group of players abilities.

I have one for ya if you wanna just fight or shoot or whatever in your game.... play a fighting or shooting game.

And as for your sign or shut up mentality, chanman, your clearly unfamiliar with the internet. People will post and say what they want where they want. My post being an example as well as a waste of time. Nothing like a moron stifiling peoples opinions, responses, and speech.

All that said....

/notsign

/crymeariver

/drowninit

I did'nt want it to turn into the usual argument about why hackers are here,how much viral deflect costs etc. which any topic that mentions hackers always seems to turn into.

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TheChanMan wrote:

>>>I personally wouldn't want the devs reading this to think that the majority of folks agree with having a hacker-free server.

Why not? it's never going to happen (just incase anyone did'nt notice that I had put that in a few times) and even if it did no-one would force you to play there.I don't understand why anyone would be against the idea because if it ever did happen it would'nt effect them at all unless they wanted to use the server.

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Not only is this a bad idea, but an angry bad idea.

you want to make something where people can ONLY agree with you go to http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html and start a petition there. You can't be serious if you think you can go on a COMMUNITY FORUM and expect to start a thread and not have people disagreeing.

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Hmmmm.. Nowhere does it say in there "a place where you are only allowed to talk if you agree with what I have to say."

We have a different word for that place.. China

Message Edited by dapharmergreen on 09-07-2005 08:52 PM

i got a better idea...



lets have a server with no health pills!



or, better yet, a server with no free fire attacks!



or, even better still, a server with no zions!



or, *"what's that, honey? oh, i forgot to take my pills? i knew i felt funny!"*

Seriously, this thread is and will go no-where



Howabout you all step outside for a few breaths of fresh air, or take
out your aggression on a nice game of counterstrike, or if you are that
way inclined, Serious Sam WITH the cheats on (yeh I do, great stress
relief, when i'm serious gaming (har har) though cheats go ala off)



Anyway.....what were we talking about again...



This bout of comic relief was brought to you by...

Server with no zions, but they're the funnest to kill.

and even if it did no-one would force you to play there.I don't
understand why anyone would be against the idea because if it ever did
happen it would'nt effect them at all unless they wanted to use the
server.



We're against it cos we don't want to see SOE waste money and
resources on a server that will be EMPTY apart from roughly 10 people
who will MA duel all day.



6 of which will be zions.



3 of which will be Merovs



1 will be a machine.

What can be said that hasn't already been.

/nosign

I dont even need to read though all the posts in here to make a quick judgement in one word

*Lame*

A non hacker server, **bleep** lets have a non ma server, while were on it, a server full of only ability makers will rock

I'd like to see another hostile server where you rep your home server for pvp only. Vector vs Syntax vs Recursion. All people form your server are on your side and so on...

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Freiheit wrote:

I'd like to see another
hostile server where you rep your home server for pvp only. Vector vs
Syntax vs Recursion. All people form your server are on your side and
so on...

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That could be a rather good idea, so long as it was done right. Would be fun all the same.