Its like talking to a brick wall. Except you can't speak.

Hm, I decided this in my head a good thirty minutes ago

"Complaining on the forums will not notify SOE of their neglect, why don't I just send them an email, which will most likely be swiftly discarded, but at least it will feel as if I made some form of a difference."

Lo and behold, there is absolutely noone to send the aformentioned email to, it is like a brick wall except worse. All I could find was the press publicist who is also that of The Agency, but I figured she really doesn't even know that MXO exists if this is the ehh publicity we have been getting.

So I Imagine we are just left waiting until we get any form of response. Joy.

Way to tell us what we already know.

Yeah.  I imagine SOE meetings go something like a meeting I had at a couple of years ago at my last job.  I'll never forget it, because it was incomprehensible to me.

(lightly paraphrased to protect the poor useless product and the moron upper management with shady business practices)
Boss:  "So we need to talk about [product] support."
Me:  "Wait, you mean people still pay for [product]?"
Boss:  "Well, yeah.  I mean, it's one-of-a-kind.  It's the only product that does what it does, so there's a niche market."
Me:  "But it's antiquated technology!  No one even uses pagers any more, do they?"
Boss:  "We want to get rid of it, but it brings in money, and it's still profitable as long as we don't spend any time on it.  We need to essentially stop supporting it in the hopes that people will stop using it.  However, we don't want to actively drop it since people are still willing to pay for it.  Some people are paying for it and aren't even using the product any more, and it could be a problem for us if they realize that they still pay us every month for something they're not using."
Me:  "Well, I'm supposed to be the top tier support for it, and I didn't even know it was still in use, so I'd say we have that one nailed down.  Still, that seems... off."
Boss:  "Yeah, you're right.  Still, don't spend any man hours working on it if anything comes up.  If the server happens to die, we'll at least be done with it."

I'd say that accurately describes our current situation, mm?

QuiDormit wrote:

Yeah.  I imagine SOE meetings go something like a meeting I had at a couple of years ago at my last job.  I'll never forget it, because it was incomprehensible to me.

(lightly paraphrased to protect the poor useless product and the moron upper management with shady business practices)
Boss:  "So we need to talk about [product] support."
Me:  "Wait, you mean people still pay for [product]?"
Boss:  "Well, yeah.  I mean, it's one-of-a-kind.  It's the only product that does what it does, so there's a niche market."
Me:  "But it's antiquated technology!  No one even uses pagers any more, do they?"
Boss:  "We want to get rid of it, but it brings in money, and it's still profitable as long as we don't spend any time on it.  We need to essentially stop supporting it in the hopes that people will stop using it.  However, we don't want to actively drop it since people are still willing to pay for it.  Some people are paying for it and aren't even using the product any more, and it could be a problem for us if they realize that they still pay us every month for something they're not using."
Me:  "Well, I'm supposed to be the top tier support for it, and I didn't even know it was still in use, so I'd say we have that one nailed down.  Still, that seems... off."
Boss:  "Yeah, you're right.  Still, don't spend any man hours working on it if anything comes up.  If the server happens to die, we'll at least be done with it."

I'd say that accurately describes our current situation, mm?

Accurately enough to make me think you made up the dialogue just for MxO.

more recursion whining?

Eh I know the topic is quite redundant but its quite better then SOE Y U NO DEV 4 US?

Regardless that dialogue is on par with the current situation. To be frank I am being gracious and giving SOE six months to either establish a developer or cut the game before I leave. If by six months there is silence I will taking my funds elsewhere.

deimoslvov wrote:

Accurately enough to make me think you made up the dialogue just for MxO.

I know, it's ridiculous.  This occurred in a major corporation, too...  Well, it's a well-known corporation at least.  I guess it's a "major" corporation in its line of business.  Anyway, my point is that major companies truly don't give a smash about their customers if the company has decided to stop supporting something, they'll just turn a blind eye until it all goes away.

Tranque101 wrote:

To be frank I am being gracious and giving SOE six months to either establish a developer or cut the game before I leave. If by six months there is silence I will taking my funds elsewhere.

No hardcore MXOer should ever make such a statement .  What this game is missing now is Recursion RP.  I visit Syn and Vec and they seem to be having their fun given the circumstances.  What's up Recursion?!?!

JEasy wrote:

Tranque101 wrote:

To be frank I am being gracious and giving SOE six months to either establish a developer or cut the game before I leave. If by six months there is silence I will taking my funds elsewhere.

No hardcore MXOer should ever make such a statement .  What this game is missing now is Recursion RP.  I visit Syn and Vec and they seem to be having their fun given the circumstances.  What's up Recursion?!?!

There's no one left to RP with.

Neoteny wrote:

JEasy wrote:

Tranque101 wrote:

To be frank I am being gracious and giving SOE six months to either establish a developer or cut the game before I leave. If by six months there is silence I will taking my funds elsewhere.

No hardcore MXOer should ever make such a statement .  What this game is missing now is Recursion RP.  I visit Syn and Vec and they seem to be having their fun given the circumstances.  What's up Recursion?!?!

There's no one left to RP with.

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First and foremost, I am a devoted MXO Player, its simply the fact that I cannot afford to pay 15 dollars a month for lack of content. I am not rich, if they lowered it to five dollars, that would be fine, but they show no intent on doing so.

Secondly, the community is important to me, Recursion RP is not dead its just scattered, the Barnsley RP is quite fun, and each RP Faction I assume has a lot of internal RP going on. But there are no more large scale public Rp (Although I do try to involve as many people as possible in mine to hopefully help and make up for lacktherof of LET)

Believe me, I am the last person to want to leave, I love this game, I adore the community, its just the aformentioned issues I will have if there is no change.

To be honest, I hate all of the Other MMO's out there, I am not an elfy, galactic space type person, I prefer MXO because of the grittiness, I am not interested in COH or COV because I'm not interested in superhero/villain cliche, I stay with MXO because of the atmosphere, the RP, the Community, and I really will need some form of developers to be the foundation for me staying.

There is only so much we RPers can do. We have no story tools, we barely have any tools. And it will be a matter of time before the tools we do have run thin and our ideas begin to lessen. We need some form of content, that is all I am saying and we need someone to give it to us.

Tranque, Sieges, Neoteny, Fenshire, RedBindi, Psion, MetaLogic and Illyria; eight of the most eloquent Role Play characters on the Recursion instance walk into a bar and... I've forgotten the rest but I think it ended with an RP Event, or something.

I believe it ends with "and they leave naked, confused, and lost"

I for one am always pleased with your visits to Vector, doc. Bring the 7 others please

Tranque101 wrote:

First and foremost, I am a devoted MXO Player, its simply the fact that I cannot afford to pay 15 dollars a month for lack of content. I am not rich, if they lowered it to five dollars, that would be fine, but they show no intent on doing so.

This.

Secondly, the community is important to me, Recursion RP is not dead its just scattered, the Barnsley RP is quite fun, and each RP Faction I assume has a lot of internal RP going on. But there are no more large scale public Rp (Although I do try to involve as many people as possible in mine to hopefully help and make up for lacktherof of LET)

Believe me, I am the last person to want to leave, I love this game, I adore the community, its just the aformentioned issues I will have if there is no change.

 This.

To be honest, I hate all of the Other MMO's out there, I am not an elfy, galactic space type person, I prefer MXO because of the grittiness, I am not interested in COH or COV because I'm not interested in superhero/villain cliche, I stay with MXO because of the atmosphere, the RP, the Community, and I really will need some form of developers to be the foundation for me staying.

 This.

There is only so much we RPers can do. We have no story tools, we barely have any tools. And it will be a matter of time before the tools we do have run thin and our ideas begin to lessen. We need some form of content, that is all I am saying and we need someone to give it to us.

 This.

Operative, you have come a long way from those days back in DM when I was taking a break and building an alt on Recursion myself.  You have crystalized my thoughts eloquently.

I mean the thoughts of spamming their email with letters crossed my mind but I realized it really would do no good because:

A) They have no direct email

B) Thats not the most polite way to handle things

But then again how can you try to explain to them our dissatisfaction if we have nowhere to actually express it. They do not look at the forums. So where do they look? Thats what I am curious about.

I think it's SOMEONE's job to relate how we feel to SOE. I won't say any names, because I could be wrong (since I don't see that happening.) 

I find it funny that when you tell that tusky f*cking mammal you have some ideas that you can personally act upon that will help keep the game alive, you find out walruses can't speak. 

This is ridiculous, and I am with Tranque - except I'm not even giving it 6 days.

Tranque101 wrote:

First and foremost, I am a devoted MXO Player, its simply the fact that I cannot afford to pay 15 dollars a month for lack of content. I am not rich, if they lowered it to five dollars, that would be fine, but they show no intent on doing so.

There's no doubt about the devotion and much respect to you. Still, cutting the game seems extreme as we don't really know if there is a chance we can go supported in th future.  Let's not give SOE any ideas.

Secondly, the community is important to me, Recursion RP is not dead its just scattered, the Barnsley RP is quite fun, and each RP Faction I assume has a lot of internal RP going on. But there are no more large scale public Rp (Although I do try to involve as many people as possible in mine to hopefully help and make up for lacktherof of LET)

You're probably right on this, as I've never really been in the RP loop. Just knowing that the players were doing things helped keep the buzz alive on Recursion. 

Believe me, I am the last person to want to leave, I love this game, I adore the community, its just the aformentioned issues I will have if there is no change.

That's your right as a paying subscriber and I hope SOE, WB, or whoever will address those issues soon.

To be honest, I hate all of the Other MMO's out there, I am not an elfy, galactic space type person, I prefer MXO because of the grittiness, I am not interested in COH or COV because I'm not interested in superhero/villain cliche, I stay with MXO because of the atmosphere, the RP, the Community, and I really will need some form of developers to be the foundation for me staying.

These seem like pretty good reasons to stick around regardless, however I understand having storyline foundation to base your RP on.  Hopefully those that make the decisions will get this.

There is only so much we RPers can do. We have no story tools, we barely have any tools. And it will be a matter of time before the tools we do have run thin and our ideas begin to lessen. We need some form of content, that is all I am saying and we need someone to give it to us.

I agree with the bolded here and hope we do get some form of content.  However, I do feel that what we have now is better than nothing.

WoKeN wrote:

Are you guys still at it? Again..let it go and unsub if you're that upset....

It's an mmo at the end of it's life cycle....it will stay open as is until the subs hit a certain point and/or a new mmo is launched...

Again...this is simple business.... it's how the world works... get over it.

What do you honestly expect?  Do you think that it's mere coincidence that the most active threads on this board are regarding the lack of contact... no, the lack of anything at all from higher up?

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Tranque101 wrote:

First and foremost, I am a devoted MXO Player, its simply the fact that I cannot afford to pay 15 dollars a month for lack of content. I am not rich, if they lowered it to five dollars, that would be fine, but they show no intent on doing so.

This.

With all the huge sympathy I have both for Tranque and Villemar, I don't buy the "I'm not rich, I can't afford" part.

Let's see. I live and earn money in Ukraine, which is very far from being the richest country in the world and which is officially the hardest hit by the current economic crisis in Europe. And still, with a relatively small revenue - compared to the US and EU, where even a frankly mediocre job makes people earn twice as much as I do - I can afford paying 15 bucks per month. So no, I won't believe people out there in US or EU can't afford paying 50 cents a day for a game they want to play.

In my eyes, it's not a question of possibility/affordability, but a question of willingness. It's quite understandable you may not want to pay this price for a game with no new content. But please, do not say you can't/ because that doesn't sound too honest. 

deimoslvov wrote:

With all the huge sympathy I have both for Tranque and Villemar, I don't buy the "I'm not rich, I can't afford" part.

Let's see. I live and earn money in Ukraine, which is very far from being the richest country in the world and which is officially the hardest hit by the current economic crisis in Europe. And still, with a relatively small revenue - compared to the US and EU, where even a frankly mediocre job makes people earn twice as much as I do - I can afford paying 15 bucks per month. So no, I won't believe people out there in US or EU can't afford paying 50 cents a day for a game they want to play.

In my eyes, it's not a question of possibility/affordability, but a question of willingness. It's quite understandable you may not want to pay this price for a game with no new content. But please, do not say you can't/ because that doesn't sound too honest. 

Uh, yeah.. Some people may earn more than you but did the possibility that they have more outgoings than you occur?

Using myself as an example, I'm in the forces, it pays fairly well but I have a family I provide for, what with food and electricity and gas bills, then car bills (MOT/Tax/fuel/insurance), phone bills, internet bills, credit card bills, loans, insurance etc... I'm just lucky I don't have to pay a mortgage on the house I live in. Add to that we just had a daughter born we're tight for cash at the moment and if anything was to be cut it would probably be things that we could do without such as MxO.

So even though people may earn more than you, doesn't mean that they aren't struggling to afford stuff. Willingness has got bugger all to do with it.

deimoslvov wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Tranque101 wrote:

First and foremost, I am a devoted MXO Player, its simply the fact that I cannot afford to pay 15 dollars a month for lack of content. I am not rich, if they lowered it to five dollars, that would be fine, but they show no intent on doing so.

This.

With all the huge sympathy I have both for Tranque and Villemar, I don't buy the "I'm not rich, I can't afford" part.

Let's see. I live and earn money in Ukraine, which is very far from being the richest country in the world and which is officially the hardest hit by the current economic crisis in Europe. And still, with a relatively small revenue - compared to the US and EU, where even a frankly mediocre job makes people earn twice as much as I do - I can afford paying 15 bucks per month. So no, I won't believe people out there in US or EU can't afford paying 50 cents a day for a game they want to play.

In my eyes, it's not a question of possibility/affordability, but a question of willingness. It's quite understandable you may not want to pay this price for a game with no new content. But please, do not say you can't/ because that doesn't sound too honest. 

Just want to point out that if anything (and people should do this whether they have money or don't), that if anything we as consumers should expect a certain value for for their money.  (This is why people don't pay 100,000,000 for a pair of Larn Sneakers, lol).

From launch until at the earliest Nov 2008, at the latest Feb. 2009, there absolutely was $15/month worth of content being provided if not more.  Now?  We are basically paying to develop The Agency for nothing in return.

So yes, if the need is there exceptions can be made.  But money is tight, and if I had money to burn it might not matter as much, but I don't, so I have to look at spending my entertainment dollar more wisely.  I am still trying to figure out where my $15/month goes, besides to develop The Agency.

deimoslvov wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Tranque101 wrote:

First and foremost, I am a devoted MXO Player, its simply the fact that I cannot afford to pay 15 dollars a month for lack of content. I am not rich, if they lowered it to five dollars, that would be fine, but they show no intent on doing so.

This.

With all the huge sympathy I have both for Tranque and Villemar, I don't buy the "I'm not rich, I can't afford" part.

Let's see. I live and earn money in Ukraine, which is very far from being the richest country in the world and which is officially the hardest hit by the current economic crisis in Europe. And still, with a relatively small revenue - compared to the US and EU, where even a frankly mediocre job makes people earn twice as much as I do - I can afford paying 15 bucks per month. So no, I won't believe people out there in US or EU can't afford paying 50 cents a day for a game they want to play.

In my eyes, it's not a question of possibility/affordability, but a question of willingness. It's quite understandable you may not want to pay this price for a game with no new content. But please, do not say you can't/ because that doesn't sound too honest. 

First of all,

I can afford it, but I would rather not pay the price for what I am receiving (or lacktherof). If you must know my single mother lost her job and is scrambling to reinstate her business and I have a minimum wage job to recoup for losses and give myself some pocket money (which ends up being quite minimal and covers mxo). I do not care where you are from quite frankly, I do not think you are in any position to inform me of what is of prominence on my or my families budget.I pay  because it helps me releive stress and for recreation but if it ceases to amuse me or relieves stress it isnt worth the money, in economic terms.

Secondly, any form of story creation tools would be a step in the right direction.

Every MXO player buy one share in SOE. Then give one person your proxy. That person shows up at a board meeting and votes the MXO players stance, presents our case to the board. Interesting how corporations can respond to "money," as wielded by shareholders.

Not as far fetched as it sounds is this idea. Just rather difficult to execute.

I don't know what to say, but I got a pretty picture of me when i was 3 months...

Mindsweep wrote:

I don't what to say, but I got a pretty picture of me when i was 3 months...

I do too.

Coincidentally it was also my reaction to walrus telling us that MXO's future is unclear.

Tranque101 wrote:

Coincidentally it was also my reaction to walrus telling us that MXO's future is unclear.

Been like that since beta lol

Tranque101 wrote:

Believe me, I am the last person to want to leave, I love this game, I adore the community, its just the aformentioned issues I will have if there is no change.

To be honest, I hate all of the Other MMO's out there, I am not an elfy, galactic space type person, I prefer MXO because of the grittiness, I am not interested in COH or COV because I'm not interested in superhero/villain cliche, I stay with MXO because of the atmosphere, the RP, the Community, and I really will need some form of developers to be the foundation for me staying.

Bravo Tranque, my thoughts precisely, but delivered in a much nicer and more positive manner than I am capable of.

TheShickle wrote:

I think it's SOMEONE's job to relate how we feel to SOE. I won't say any names, because I could be wrong (since I don't see that happening.) 

I find it funny that when you tell that tusky f*cking mammal you have some ideas that you can personally act upon that will help keep the game alive, you find out walruses can't speak. 

This is ridiculous, and I am with Tranque - except I'm not even giving it 6 days.

You know... much against my expectations in myself... I have a thought about this that might actually be worth y'all considering.

How about everyone who feels this way submits a /ccr or /bug and when asked to give a description of the problem encoutnered, enters their thoughts and feelings on exactly how our service providers are treating us?

They go to SOMEONE who works for this bunch of negligent gits, don't they?