TSR???

So.  Having an interesting chat to some tracking program  (or person?).

The discussion around to talking about the future.  Whomever, or whatever I'm talking to, believes it sees a blinding green flash.  It apparently represents the future if we are willing to embrace it.

But, it won't tell me anymore, or discuss it any further until I discover what TSR is (or stands for).  And, no, it isn't Technical Support.  That was my assumption too, and it was wrong.  As to was The Second Renaissance.

The little thing has said there are many eyes here, and a great number may hold the answer I seek.  So please, fire away.

*blink*

What?

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

*blink*

What?

I know you're not known for it.  But at least try to be constructive.

Ah, fine.

"What are you talking about?"

There, happy?

Not constructive.. you haven't seen what I can do by being destructive.. *mumble*

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A apparent redpill_tracker told me to ask everyone what this TSR he or she is referring to.  I'm not holding much hope, but apparently I'll be proven wrong.

Well, thank you for clarifying.

As to what "TSR" stands for, knowing the Matrix nuts lying around, it probably stands for some Greek or other mythological name or phrase. I don't have anything that pops to mind, because I'm not a mythos nut.

Edit: *points down at Cro's post so as to not make another* Ha, nailed it. Now to make some reference to "Beauty in the eye of the beholder..."

The Beholder from TSR (Tactical Studies Rules) 2003 - Dungeons & Dragons Supplement I: Greyhawk (1974)

""Spheres of Many Eyes" or "Eye Tyrants", a levitating globe with ten magical eye stalks"

From Wikipedia

TSR was the company that made D&D, before it was bought out by Wizards of the Coast. 

So our future lies in D&D?

GreyMountain wrote:

So our future lies in D&D?

Yup.

Do it yourself.

I've had a talk with that Redpill too. He/She gave me this photo.

Ok what's this all about?

My guess is players making their own Chapter 13? Idk..being that Rarebit released up to Chapter 14 already I am only guessing it's just a way to represent what Chapter 13 would of been? thats a very VERY big guess

WTB Chapter 12.2 and 12.3.

Sorry if I don't get excited by this just yet, fancy graphics don't mean a decent storyline. I'll give it a shot but seeing as it's apparently advertised as being a continuance (Chapter 13) of the story, if it doesn't at least acknowledge chapter 12 as having happened, even if it this version veers away from Rare's planned story and heads into a new direction, I'll probably ignore it.

I'll wait to see how it pans out.

I think I'll follow this.  I, for one, hope it has nothing to do with the storyline that Rarebit laid out for us.  I hope it starts where we left off and goes in a different, better direction.

At least someone's doing something to keep us all entertained.

QuiDormit wrote:

GreyMountain wrote:

So our future lies in D&D?

Yup.

Do it yourself.

Pen & Paper MxO FTW!!!! 

"Accelerated Unlimit hits you for 18 damage."

Shadow Run.

Or rather, Shadowrun, another popular pen-n-paper RPG.

Fen wrote:

...At least someone's doing something to keep us all entertained.

THIS.

Michael1 wrote:

I've had a talk with that Redpill too. He/She gave me this photo.

Lol chapter 13 according to who?

Kybutra wrote:

Lol chapter 13 according to who?

"Them?"

Still, I agree with Fen, I'll pay attention to this.  We'll see what's what soon enough.

I'll see how it goes but I doubt I'll be supporting it.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Shadow Run.

Or rather, Shadowrun, another popular pen-n-paper RPG.

I thought the same thing when I saw it as well.

Now that would make a good MMO.....if microsoft wern't such big idiots about it.

If this "chapter 13" plays out like a shadowrun style setting (which fits into the matrix style of play nicely) it should be good

Kybutra wrote:

I'll see how it goes but I doubt I'll be supporting it.

So you will be supporting the offical story line as done by the dev team.............oh wait.........yeah about that. Have fun doing nothing

Yeah, will definately be watching but will most likely ignore if its by people who think we should just flat out ignore the story Chapter 12+ was leading into. Change and make their own maybe but not just ignore and blaze their own "perfect" story they think everyone wants.

Basically, if Morpheus or Neo return first chapter, I'm out.

cloudwolf wrote:

Basically, if Morpheus or Neo return, I'm out.

Slightly tweaked.

QuiDormit wrote:

Kybutra wrote:

Lol chapter 13 according to who?

"Them?"

Precisely why some people are skeptical. In other threads about the storyline and player collaborations there was a lot of disagreements because everyone has their own view of the story up til that point and how they think it should continue.

Saying Chapter 13 suggests a follow on from chapter 12 of the official storyline, whether they actually mean to suggest that their continuance is official or not (many people will not view it as such anyway unless A Dev or Walrus confirms it is).

Besides, another group could bring out their own Chapter 13 and have it play out completely differently. Personally I don't feel that having title and chapter number is absolutely necessary, but thats just me.

Still, we'll see how they introduce it and how well it's thought out and written, perhaps it will be a complete success or perhaps it'll simply be an exercise in god modding.

After all, I don't see anything else happening in game beyond the usual.

Fen wrote:

The only problem I see with this, is that there are like...  three different player groups who want to take on the official storyline.  I think players creating the official storyline is a bad idea, simply because no one is ever going to agree on which storyline is the right one.  *shrug*  That's the MxO community for ya.

I agree.  Getting a player-run official storyline is going to be close to impossible.  Especially given the divisions in this game.  But I'm all for playing along.  Like you said, what else is there to do?

In all honesty, I have no issues with following all three versions of the storyline (or more if there so happen to be more). I'm here to participate and interact.  Not chase after the ex-canon story in the hopes of being a part of something a few people may read on Wikipedia and see as the continuation of the trilogy.

Oh well, my motto has always been to make other's RP more important than my own. What the he11.

But I better not get phone calls at 3am. . .

Unless it's Morpheus.

Croesis wrote:

Saying Chapter 13 suggests a follow on from chapter 12 of the official storyline, whether they actually mean to suggest that their continuance is official or not (many people will not view it as such anyway unless A Dev or Walrus confirms it is).

Besides, another group could bring out their own Chapter 13 and have it play out completely differently. Personally I don't feel that having title and chapter number is absolutely necessary, but thats just me.

Nope, it's me too. It may seem like a trivial complaint, but calling it Chapter 13 was a bad move from the off.

My take on things is pretty simple but forgive me if I mention things that have been brought up and/or discussed previously, as I've payed no attention to 'the future of the mxo story' threads started by players since Rarebits departure.

It's been obvious, from both the past and the present that not all player events both big and small, hyped and non-hyped, will be hampered by whether people can accept it as 'official' or 'canon' and whether the events can actually capture the imagination.

The fact the storyline is now 'in our hands' says to me that any attempts by any group made up of whatever members to make an 'official' storyline that everyone follows would be doomed to failure. There should be multiple groups dreaming up events and carrying them out, and in the process of doing so, there should be conversations open between the runners of said event teams on what their plans are for the future so that if anything major comes up it should be discussed as to whether the story can proceed with said major storyline. If the sides don't agree or can't incorporate the others story changes into their events or storyline or whatever, then they should drop the idea of the major storyline or change it.

The point I'm getting at is that having one super-duper-all conquering player storyline will not work. Having many from different outlets would surely be the only way to keep peoples interests and keep things fresh.

Also, I'd have to agree with Croesis and Proc.

In any case, it is something I will not be following as my subscription will be running out in about a weeks time. However, good luck to those who have taken the time to try.

Edit: Also, just for secrecys sake, if this group of event planners are trying to be all hush hush secret like, they might want to host teaser images and sigs on seperate photobuckets accounts. *COUGH*

Procurator wrote:

Croesis wrote:

Saying Chapter 13 suggests a follow on from chapter 12 of the official storyline, whether they actually mean to suggest that their continuance is official or not (many people will not view it as such anyway unless A Dev or Walrus confirms it is).

Besides, another group could bring out their own Chapter 13 and have it play out completely differently. Personally I don't feel that having title and chapter number is absolutely necessary, but thats just me.

Nope, it's me too. It may seem like a trivial complaint, but calling it Chapter 13 was a bad move from the off.

It strikes me as pretentious at the very least.  But, that's the thing about Player Events, ppl can choose or choose not to participate.  But calling it chapter 13 is very facepalmy IMHO.  No Sir, I don't like it.  But whatever floats players boats.  I just wish this thread would be in the Player events section where it belongs because calling it Chapter 13 and keeping it this section is misleading.

I think the best idea for Player Events is to have side stories set in Mega City, kind of like the Animatrix.  There are a lot of great resources available without dipping into the main storyline (whatever that is now).

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I think the best idea for Player Events is to have side stories set in Mega City, kind of like the Animatrix.  There are a lot of great resources available without dipping into the main storyline (whatever that is now).

Agree.

SampleNow wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I think the best idea for Player Events is to have side stories set in Mega City, kind of like the Animatrix.  There are a lot of great resources available without dipping into the main storyline (whatever that is now).

Agree.

What they said...

LESIGv3.0

Kybutra wrote:

LESIGv3.0

Yes.. I had noticed that too..

And I also agree with Villemar. Mega City stories ftw

Kybutra wrote:

LESIGv3.0

No.

Kybutra wrote:

LESIGv3.0

No.

Ebola wrote:

Kybutra wrote:

LESIGv3.0

No.

http://www.lesigv3.com/

Someone's attempting it, and has it in his sig!

I congratulate and support any creative efforts to run stories and player events. Especially with sext graphics like those!

However, I agree with everyone else who's said that trying to continue/explore/elaborate upon the canon storyline would be an exercise in futility. Coming up with bunches of great, little Matrix-y storylines across multiple factions and organizations is totally the way to go. Totally

TSR

Total Story Renaissance.

(from French Renaissance, meaning "rebirth"; Italian: Rinascimento, from re- "again" and nascere "be born")

Croesis wrote:

I don't think anyone wants to see events like this fail considering that the previous comment someone made about there being nothing else to do is quite true but people's opinions are peoples opinions and without positive and negative feedback from the very audience they are playing to then how will they be able to look at ways to improve their stories, methods etc. in order to improve people's enjoyment if they feel it's necessary?

Truth. I wish I had the time to devote to these player events, but I just don't anymore.

This TSR seems like it is interesting while a bit presumptuous. I agree with the Lesig v3.0 thing, and maybe even overwriting Rarebit's endings. But, since chapter 12 was cut short at 12.1, the written published/implemented, Chapter 13 is fair game. We know it's a PE, so really no blurring of the lines for Dev run or player run.

As harsh as this community is becoming, a player posting info in General can't be placed on the PET fault section. In my experience running PE's, releasing info to a player and then that player releasing info to the community always loses something.

A:B's intro's to events were the best I'd ever seen. Single graphic posted annonymously in the PE boards. It created a buzz and questions. TSR hasn't done it the same way, but at least a buzz is being created.

This TSR sounds interesting and I'll be keeping an eye on this... however, I'm a but skeptical about them, since they've dubbed themselves "LESIG 3.0".

Cleaned up and unlocked.  Please keep it civil.

I like how this thread went from a Player event post for this TSR thing to all about A:B. Those people arguing over A:B and LESIG who were whinging about critisism earlier in the thread are derailing it just as much now as they were claiming people were bashing it earlier.

If you're not a part of this PE, which some of you claim not to be, or have nothing further to say about this TSR thing then quit QQing, flaming and driving this thread further off topic. Take it to PM's or start other threads of rage but at least give this group's event a chance and don't fill their thread up with A:B and LESIG crap.

At least when people were posting their concerns or critisism about the advertisment of a chapter number, the pretentious calling of their group LESIG 3.0 or it's placement in general discussion, which may have been a slightly harsh, at least it was actually to do with the impending event and not about previous player events.

*sigh* egos everywhere... don't know if it's better that the hostilities are now open or not, but it might actually be better than veiled anger and bitterness...

On a note to maybe try to return to this TSR thing, and my already stated disinterest:

My lack of interest in this has more to do with a lack of interest in large scale events period. I used to attend the LE's when I could. I think they were kinda cool, but its not like they were really that interactive, what with 50-100 people potentially yammering away, lagging the deal up. Only real thing was that I kept up on the storyline, so at least I knew what the event was about.

I tried to participate in A:B. I joined the site, I read the forums. At one point, I actually created an alt on Recursion to try and RP from a different angle on it. I sent emails to one of the numbered Operatives (admittedly, not many) but got no response, so I gave up on that. I attended one "Event" but had trouble figuring out what was going on, and found that, like an LE, there were thirty people standing around yammering. Unlike an LE, I didnt know even remotely what it was about. I left. I still overall feel like that event was more or less aimed by a group of people towards a group of people that they wanted to include. I'm not saying it was exclusive, but when you have little clue things where a strange voice lists a bunch of peoples names, and you're not one of them, well, yeah....

My overall point is... Screw anything large scale. I've run an event. I didn't call it an event, I posted it as an RP. I had no more than half-a-dozen participants at a time, sometimes just one or two. And it was great. It was personal. People enjoyed it, without it being some over-the-top production. And it has caused, to date, no drama.

To me, this should be the future, is what I'm interested in. Any and all aggrandizement at this point strikes me as ego-stroking, whether it's LESIG or Player or whatever.

Stick with small people... less drama that way...

In the beginning, A:B was about entertaining people. It wasn't about LESIG battles or anything of the sort.

Yes, LESIG blew at that point in time. Especially on Recursion. Machinists had nothing. Mervs had next to nothing (I think this was right after Toluca left or maybe a little before?) Zion had Merrit, but Rylet was a once-in-a-whiler and Caelifera was a no-show (I still don't understand why she was never booted, though I've guessed she played most of our minor characters here and there from the shadows, which, if she did, I'm thankful). EPN had Reposco. The Cyphs were mostly a non-entity (this was just before La Sombra if I recall correctly). And at the time, there wasn't that much going on since Zeissphrack had just gotten das boot.

Phrack had an idea, people rolled with it, fun was had. Having been invited to the start of the project but being unable to follow through, I can tell you that there was, at least, no malicious intent at the begining. It was conceived for enjoyment.

Croesis wrote:

I like how this thread went from a Player event post for this TSR thing to all about A:B. Those people arguing over A:B and LESIG who were whinging about critisism earlier in the thread are derailing it just as much now as they were claiming people were bashing it earlier.

If you're not a part of this PE, which some of you claim not to be, or have nothing further to say about this TSR thing then quit QQing, flaming and driving this thread further off topic. Take it to PM's or start other threads of rage but at least give this group's event a chance and don't fill their thread up with A:B and LESIG crap.

At least when people were posting their concerns or critisism about the advertisment of a chapter number, the pretentious calling of their group LESIG 3.0 or it's placement in general discussion, which may have been a slightly harsh, at least it was actually to do with the impending event and not about previous player events.

You're absolutely right, and I apologise for my own contribution.

We needs to mod it up in this bizzitch and clean this thread again.

Folks please stay on topic.

I do not want to lock a thread about a current player event.  The past is the past.  This thread has already been cleaned up once, and it is supposed to be about TSR.

If you don't have anything to contribute about TSR, then don't post here.

As far as TSR, I would love to devote some time to following it. It certainly can't hurt things in this game's state.