I'm The Minority

Rarebit wrote:

Those of you reading this, who follow the forums closely, also tend to be those who have most assiduously followed the daily events and weekly missions, and are perhaps the most strongly affected by these changes. While I cannot hope to replace perfectly the types of content you've seen in the past, I'll at least try to describe briefly the two main reasons why I believe this change is both necessary, and the right thing to do for the overall health of the game.

If you read the forums, you've probably read this passage from Rarebit.

I'm one of those people, described by Rarebit. Contrary to popular belief, I really only played the game to interact with the story. I've done a lot of things in the past, but I've always been a fan of the Matrix storyline. Of course, since the continuation of the story was using the medium of an MMO, I was drawn to it.

The fact that this game had Live Events every week-day seperated this game from the others. If I wanted to sit at my computer and grind quests all day by myself there's 15 other MMOs to do that. I just wanted the story, and while not every Live Event was perfect, just interacting with the Storyline characters was enough to keep me paying $15 a month; to see the storyline unfold.

It seems now since this "New Approach" everything is a shadow of its former-self. We still have LESIG supposedly, but why bother communicating with them, because they're no longer outlets of information anymore. Apparently, there are rare "ghost" LEs that occur every once and a while during a blue moon. Now we have "Org Meetings" which are just Q&A sessions that all end in, "That information is classified.." and "Server Parties" which honestly are boring as all get-out. Of course the cinematics have returned, but no offense to Rarebit, I would rather have the old system back than these cinematics. They're great, don't get me wrong, but they only reinforce the fact that the only 'story progression' we're getting is every 6 weeks along with more clothes or something.

It just seems that Rarebit is striving to make this game more like a "quest grinding MMO with content" where'd you have something to go do if there was no live event, but let's not kid ourselves. The Matrix Online has never been a game where everyone would PvE at level 50. It was either RP, PvP, or when the occasional patch came out everyone would PvE for the small amount of new items. In the mean time (which was the majority of the time) we would have story-continuing Live Events/Missions that would tide us over.

When I mean "us" I guess I mean the "minority" of players who played this game for the story, and not the items or new constructs. I didn't mind the various drawbacks there was to keep up the old-system that produced a thriving storyline (albeit the twists and turns its had), but if the Live Events are gone, then I suppose I'm gone.

I'm not leaving, but I agree with every inch of this post.

"Second."

I'm giving Rarebit and company more time before I decide on the New Approach thing. Another big patch or two should be good enough.

But I for one logged in for the patch, got my gear in a couple of days, and didn't log back in with the exception of the org meetings and sat mostly alt+tabbed for that party. The only things that have really been keeping me with MxO are the friends I've made and the storyline. And, because the storyline doesn't seem to me as dynamic anymore and the LE character appearances with the exception of the Org meeting/party are getting sparser, I feel less and less compelled to play and stay subscribed. Even just seeing Ghost and reading his interaction with a random group of people was enough to make me read the whole LE post which I hadn't done in a long time. And if I don't log in on a regular basis, then I'm going to get out of the loop for when LEs happen and then slowly lose that which I liked most: talking to some big Character in the Matrix played by some crazy man. Even if nothing good came out of it, it was always fun.

I do not, however, play MxO for some fancy clothing that my character can wear, nor do I play for the PvP, player event shenanigans, shiny perpetual trinkets, some re-textured gun, or to kill the same NPC type with the same tactic that we've had for years over and over again. I seem to be paying to browse and post on the forums as of late, and that only stays entertaining for so long :P

I'm the kind of person who naturally assumes the opposing side of any argument for the sake of a balanced viewpoint. 

I see nothing in this thread that I can argue with.

   I'm in the minority, and I absolutely love the new approach.  I have a lot more time now to chill out, play the game, party, chat with people, and actual be on my main character.

   The only thing I don't like is the fact that LESIG is still around, be thankfully they barely appear.

   If this doesn't continue, I will be extremely unhappy.

eval wrote:

some re-textured gun

It has a unique sound too. >_>

I can't really disagree with what Ballak said, but I'll also give Rare more of a chance to run with this. And I'm never leaving anyway, so...

Procurator wrote:

And I'm never leaving anyway, so...

   The only way I'd leave would be if something absolutely, positively horrible happened.  Like finding out that the MxO servers are powered by the blood of newborns or something.

Othinn1 wrote:

Procurator wrote:

And I'm never leaving anyway, so...

   The only way I'd leave would be if something absolutely, positively horrible happened.  Like finding out that the MxO servers are powered by the blood of newborns or something.

You didn't know about that?

Archangel wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

Procurator wrote:

And I'm never leaving anyway, so...

   The only way I'd leave would be if something absolutely, positively horrible happened.  Like finding out that the MxO servers are powered by the blood of newborns or something.

You didn't know about that?

The blood of newborn LESIG even! Ooeeoooeoo!

But yeah, I came to MxO from SWG... I came to MxO for the events. The events are gone, my account ends on the 20th... I shall be gone as well, and there shall be much rejoicicng/not-caringness. I thought I could stick around til the end, but for me, the end has come. If events come back to a regular basis, I shall come back, because my MxO will be back. I can get the story content for free through the forums via the cinematic downloads, so not really much reason for paying $15 a month for a chat room :o

Ebola wrote:

Archangel wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

Procurator wrote:

And I'm never leaving anyway, so...

   The only way I'd leave would be if something absolutely, positively horrible happened.  Like finding out that the MxO servers are powered by the blood of newborns or something.

You didn't know about that?

The blood of newborn LESIG even! Ooeeoooeoo!

   No, that would make me pay for a year-long subscription.

I used to be logged in all day and night. Now I log in barely at all, for llike 10 minutes, get bored and leave. Events and friends were keeping me here, but thats all gone. I didn't think SOE could actually ruin this game anymore, but I was wrong. A few people and Rarebit love this new approach, but the majority were used to the way it was forever. I really hate to say it, but my sub will not be lasting after the Christmas Event.

eval wrote:

I'm giving Rarebit and company more time before I decide on the New Approach thing. Another big patch or two should be good enough.

This was and still is my plan. We've had one update with the new format and I, for one, cannot form any complete opinion on the format until Rare and co. have seen the reaction from players, evaluate what has been done and attempt to address any issues that have cropped up from this initial update.

If, after a couple of updates, nothing has changed or improved thats when I'll start reconsidering my feelings on the subject. I think that's only fair to the Devs and to me.

Problem is, until the STO or SGW or KOTORO comes out I don't think there is any other MMO I'd be willing to play.

Can't really argue with the post, to be honest. I want to see how the Christmas event goes and the patch or two after it, but right now there's no motivation to log in besides the Vector Olympics. There hasn't been since the org meeting.

I would just like to congratulate Rarebit and Sony Online Entertainment for finally killing what could have been the best MMO ever.

I for one wont be back.  If it hadnt been for the fact ive been so busy lately i would have cancelled my subscription.

I have to say though I was eager to see how the "New Approach" worked, I'm over it already.  I find myself logging in for about ten minutes or so and thinking of fun stuff I can do.  I then realize it's a game and I shouldn't have to try so hard to find things to do to keep me entertained if it's a game worth playing. 

Don't get me wrong the new content was cool, for about the 3 days it took to get it.  However there is nothing left to draw me to the game anymore without live events.  shoot, there isn't even any good drama to follow anymore.  It could just be me growing out of video/PC games in general and/or quickly realizing that my real life is turning out to be more engaging than I gave it credit for, I just can't really do it anymore.

My sub runs out on the 11th of this month and I'll probably make a few more appearances for a month or two here and there, but I can safely say my MxO days are pretty much over...

Vinia wrote:

Increased number of LE's is a topic that a lot of people have been posting about with regard to the new approach, it could not have escaped Rare's attention. I can't see how having a couple of LE's a week would affect his schedule too much.

It would mean adjusting what is done in the update missions so that some information is saved for LE's but thats what trial and error and feedback is for. The fact that we have this new approach is proof that Rarebit can change the format almost completely so adjusting it shouldn't be a problem. If it means shorter or scrappier cinematics I would imagine many people would be able to live with it.

a) Increased number of LE's has been requested since before the new approach.

b) Increased quality of LE's has also been requested since before the new approach.

c) The format hasn't changed, there's just a whole let less being done.

d) The concept that lesig took up time is rediculous because they were used to alleviate the work load from rarebit and  do more of it for him aswell as facilitate a general sense of activity in the matrix by staying jacked in - thus not needing rarebit to be. - Granted LESIG flopped but i'd blame that on a majority of poor choices made by rarebit's "name in a hat" selection process.

e) The implication here is that these private and smaller meetings take more enegery and effort which in reality is complete nonsense. Rarebit's excuses are facilitated around the concept of executed script and story which just means in reality he's overlooked how easy it is to generate a simple quality LEC encounter.

f) It's not going to make a difference if you wait a week or a month or several months, anyone whose paying attention can note the correlation of alleviated effort on behalf the of the man responsible for the "story" content. Despite what we all hope and want he's not going to start jacking in more frequently, he's not going to come and see you and find out what you think, he's not going to make more effort then he has - this entire approach and past ideas have literally been used to reduce his work load.

There's a difference between being blind and naieve and being optimistic, the guy clearly doesn't care about facilitating the story in any manner except the one of his own choosing which means regardless of what anyone says if he thinks a format is a good idea or works it does.

Take a good look through the development roundtable and get a ratio for ideas implemented versus not - and i don't mean look at the ones that are rediculous i mean look at the legit and reasonable ones. While your at it - take into consideration the countless amount of content that exists but isn't in game, the countless amount of content which easily could be put into game, and the countless amount of things that we were ever told couldn't and wouldn't be that are.

In light of all this it still amazes me syntax and recursion haven't merged, 2 servers are a lot easier to feed then 3.

~Darminian

As one of the many players who live in a region that has been constantly shafted in terms of live events right from the Lith days, I honestly couldn't care less that events are no more. It's not like I ever got to attend one. After all, it's nigh on impossible to attend something that usually starts at 3 to 4 am when you have work starting at 9 am. So a move to make the story more readily available within game for people no matter which time zone they are in, sounds good to me. However, given the severe lack of players who play the same time of I day I do, (take this evening for example, I was the ONLY player to be listed in /who searches in Richland, Westview, International and Downtown! Regardless of the hardline I used), adding in content that requires groups is just a poor idea. So, instead of being shafted in terms of enjoying the story through an event due to my time zone, I'm now shafted in terms of the story due to not being able to find a group because of the time zone I play in.

Guess that makes my time zone eternally shafted by MxO =/ And here I was hoping the new changes would have improved things for me! So, I don't mourn the demise of events, but I sure as hell hope that the current plan is re-evaluated in terms of being more friendly to players playing at times when the server is literally empty.

I have just come back from around about 18 months break from mxo and i am kind of shocked to see the game in such a terrible state.

Yes there is plenty to do (especially after being away so long) but in terms of storyline, i have no clue what is going on and admittantly.. im not interested anymore.  I used to play this game to be part of The Matrix.  Now it seems there is less and less chance of this happening.  I remember the build to CR2 being launched and wondering if i would ever see a new live event.  Suddenly with this new approach as its being called i am left wondering if i made a mistake in coming back.

Its clear to see that these changes are driving players away.  I think this has been a massive mistake.  I wonder what it is going to take to get the powers that be to sit up and listen.  It seems although there are some supporters of these changes that the majority of the community are against it on some level.

If things keep going the way they are going its surely a matter of time before SOE decides this game is not cost affective (if it is even at this point!).

Going to strongly disagree with you inthe following post, sorry. If we had people actually interested in playing the game, you, me and others with our bad timezones would actually have enough people to talk to when online. No live content - no interest to stay online.

We did. They were all people in the same time zone who too, didn't have a clue as to what was going on. Been there done that. Nothing has changed in that respect; nothing ever will.

Rare simply needs to make the content a little more accessible to all right now. And that means a move away from making it group only content. Or, adding a means to make it soloable (an earnt item that makes handling higher level NPCs easier, for example -- with occompanying farm to get said item).

But then, I certainly don't see the harm in two or so events held a week (as long as there is other content provided that is accessible regardless of time zones and without requiring groups to access it). It's not like it's going to change anything for more. I still won't see anything of them -- I gave up reading the forum posts ages ago. Trying to read area chat in screen shots is just far too annoying.

but in terms of storyline, i have no clue what is going on and admittantly.. im not interested anymore.

Oh, and I agree with that completely. I tried to catch up with the story, I watched all the cinematics, and I just came away feeling bored. I'm only sticking around right now for the in-game content such as the archives -- not so much for the story, but for the items. I'm bored of the story. It's been eeked out too long in a fashion that just wasn't engaging enough for me. If all I cared about was the story, there would have been no need to resubscribe -- I could have just read the forums for free.

Chuui wrote:

It's been eeked out too long in a fashion that just wasn't engaging enough for me.

Ding ding!

There we go!  You get it man.  If what i have heard is true.. we arent even really out of the first year of the story.. in what .. over three years??

I used to love the story... now?  Now ill just go and watch the movies... this game is so close to death its scarey.. unless your into farming items constantly!

The_Bruceter wrote:

Ending a sub just cause something that had been the same for 3+ years has changed is shocking. Throw your dummy and rattle away at the same time. 

Play the game, not the storyline.

And do what? Farm?

Nah .. thats pish!

Im not a gamer... im not interested in farming items... im interested in the matrix.  Now there is practically nothing that is matrix like in THE MATRIX ONLINE i have no purpose in playing without Live Events / Storyline involvment.

I was dubious about this patch as soon as it was mentioned, and so far, i've been pretty apathetic towards it. The three missions were originally pretty impressive, more interesting than the traditional critical missions were, and with SOME worthwhile items to farm. Although the Machines pretty much got raeped for their item which is useless. But after waiting a whole month with no new story, no hint of a live event, which have been so far replaced by org meetings. Org meetings which aren't interesting enough to make me level a new character on a different sever just to go stand around and chat.

However, I'm still on the side of - This is the first implementation of this patch, so hopefully things will improve from here, I think that once rare sets himself time boundaries for Cinematics etc, we'll see an increase in events again, not what it once was, but hopefully something.

But even if we don't, I have, and will continue to play this game for the pvp. That's the one simple reason I'm still here, except for one or two people who are worth paying my sub for.

Mxo ftw.

aisuru wrote:

The_Bruceter wrote:

Ending a sub just cause something that had been the same for 3+ years has changed is shocking. Throw your dummy and rattle away at the same time. 

Play the game, not the storyline.

And do what? Farm?

Nah .. thats pish!

Im not a gamer... im not interested in farming items... im interested in the matrix.  Now there is practically nothing that is matrix like in THE MATRIX ONLINE i have no purpose in playing without Live Events / Storyline involvment.

Except for it being a game set on the Matrix films? With back logs of archival missions with all the main characters in, and new missions with the characters in too? Yeah, I see nothing Matrixy here at all :/. I can fight as an MA on wow!

Brommerz77 wrote:

Except for it being a game set on the Matrix films? With back logs of archival missions with all the main characters in, and new missions with the characters in too? Yeah, I see nothing Matrixy here at all :/. I can fight as an MA on wow!

As far as i am concerned the direction the storyline (basing on the little summary i have had on it) is going in just now is nothing to do with the matrix.  Oh and as for combat and archive missions... thats just what i want to do.  I want to run through all the missions i did from when i started in 2005. 

Sorry that just isnt good enough imo.  When i started playing this game i did so because of the continuation of the story and the interaction with characters.  I do not consider missions interaction with characters.

So no... thats just not matrixy to me.

WIREFRAME AGENT KILLING SUPER POWERED SPACE SHIPS.

I just think if you look at the movies and you look at this game... its like two completely different beasts.

As for this trinity nonsense.. she was killed off in the movies.. how the hell can she suddenly be part of the story now?

I just dont like it.. sorry.. no.

Im not saying im right or wrong.. im saying as a matrix fan its pish.. simple

Vinia wrote:

aisuru wrote:

I just think if you look at the movies and you look at this game... its like two completely different beasts.

As for this trinity nonsense.. she was killed off in the movies.. how the hell can she suddenly be part of the story now?

I just dont like it.. sorry.. no.

Im not saying im right or wrong.. im saying as a matrix fan its pish.. simple

Of course they're different, they're two different formats. And if you can't even open your mind, in a Sci-Fi franchise of all things, to possibilities or even to listen to the explanation for things given like this Trinity point (I believe there was a part of the Asassin storyline that hinted on something to do with Trinity), then why am I not surprised you don't like it.

Like i said.. its a personal thing.  This game is nowhere near what it used to be.. and neither is the story.

Cant open my mind?  Sorry Vinia, i dont want to come across as rude here.. but what do you know about me and my taste?  Perhaps i am just too hardcore a matrix fan (as in the movies / comics) to accept what has become of this in my opion laughable storyline.

What is blatently apparent to me however, moving slightly more towards the topic at hand, is that there are a sizeable number of players that are very unhappy with the way this new approach is heading and it is causing what looks to me like the death of a game that once had massive potential before SOE decided to murder it.

Please stay on topic, and keep it civil.  I do not want to lock this thread like the last one had to be.

I have to say i agree with Ballak on this one...and its very sad. I can say i saw it coming thats why the merge idea came up recently, but yes.. it feels like something is definately wrong here and missing, it feels like when some supervisor wants an employee out , giving him crappy hours and the worst assigments, till he/she gets fed up and quits. but what  i dont really understand is the why??..when this mmo has so much potential.

If we did get the LE's back (with all that follows etc.)

Nope. Unless of course, we finally got decent 24 hour coverage.

If we did get LESIG back (maybe a upgraded version..idk)

Personally, I'm glad it's gone. And would not want to see it come back in it's old format or anything similar.

If we did get the storyline back to where everyone could follow it.

That would depend on the formatting in which the story is told. If the majority of the story telling is to be through live events always held in the same narrow time frame, then no.  I've already posted my reasons why.

If we did get new toy's for RP's
If we did get new toy's for PvP's

I never see enough of a player base online for of those to be worth it U_U so...

All in all I can understand why those who could attend events are now upset over not having them, but to think that they are the only players who should be catered to is just selfish. We all pay to play this game, so we should all benefit from whatever little can be added into the game now.

One or two events a week for those capable of attending them would be ok, as far as I'm concerned, but they certainly should not be the driving force of this game -- when they were, it just led to most non US/UK players to up and quit. There's nothing more annoying then jacking in over an "event" to know all you'll ever see of it is the automated spawns (which most of the time were bugged to hell and back).

Likewise, restricting the criticals to player level is just plain wrong. That will not attract new players to join and remain in game long enough to see the higher level missions. And it's certainly not working for the current players either. I know I won't waste my time leveling up characters in other orgs just for those missions. Especially so when parts of them require more than one player to take part in -- we simply do not have the player base to support such content.

Now if only SOE would splurge out for staff for MxO and had a huge advertising campaign, I'd love to see events held on a weekly basis covering any and all time zones. That'd bring new reason for playing, but only if it's also coupled with new content too. But LEs alone -- especially in their age old format -- are completely pointless to players such as myself and ultimately are nothing but a waste of our $17.30 a month (yup, SOE raised the price on us with their regional pricing.)

Chuui the only reason your able to maintain a positive outlook on this whole situation is because this game has already failed you as a player, just because you missed out on content back in the day doesn't mean everyone now missing out on that content is better-  if anything you should be on the side saying we need more events that happen more often at different times such that you could experience them and anyone else in strange time zones could.

That is just my opinion, but it seems to me if you like the story and never got to do a live event you really ought to participate in one before you say were better off without - i mean your sort of playing devil's advocate to a point your not fully aware of.

It's like anyone totally damning rarebit and the current state of affairs - don't get me wrong i think he's failing misserably, i don't like this, i don't get what i used to out of mxo, there aren't even enough people jacking in to make me stay for pro-longed amounts of time, but i'm sticking around to see things get better or to see the game die. I'm here as a fan of the matrix who wants to be a part of it's story and know where it goes.

If i wanted to farm aimlessly or constantly grind - the options are limitless.

~Darminian

if anything you should be on the side saying we need more events that happen more often at different times such that you could experience them and anyone else in strange time zones could.

If you read my above post, you'd I already covered that. *IF* we ever had events that truely could cover a point anywhere within a 24 hour period, I'd be all for them. But I know better than to expect that to ever happen. So while understand others want events, I think it's just as important to them to realise that said events should be taking up the majority of developer time -- as they used to -- as that just makes things far worse for everyone else.

That is just my opinion, but it seems to me if you like the story and never got to do a live event you really ought to participate in one before you say were better off without - i mean your sort of playing devil's advocate to a point your not fully aware of.

I did my fair share of event stuff. And as much as I would love to say more, I think it's best I don't. But suffice to say, I speak from a certain point of experience and view as far as events are concerned. And from that point, I'm very glad they are gone.

and if you argue that should be the devs job isn't player made content what lesig was about in the first place?

No. It really wasn't. LESIG was *supposed* to be about giving feedback. It was never meant to be an LET substitute.

I'd still like to see some live events happen.. maybe not so often but 3 over a 2 week period (1 x Merv, 1 x Zion, 1 x Machine) something that is really big, really important to the story - say a zion event happened on friday, Niobe is in trouble, Machines attempt to capture her or something, then she vanishes we are left pondering for a few weeks what happened. This on top of the archive missions I feel would be enough to tide us over without putting too much strain on Rarebit. Possibly at a time when everyone can take part.. they may happen once a few weeks, but when they do they could be HUGE and remembered.  Not quantity its quality

Also with this new approach and Xmas coming up, it is the perfect oppourtunity to start afresh

ShiXinFeng wrote:

I tried to post this originally in Mike's thread to Rarebit, but since that one got ninja'd with no explanation...

Yeah, so did a friends leaving post.

Guess thats how things are run around here.

Verbeia wrote:

ShiXinFeng wrote:

I tried to post this originally in Mike's thread to Rarebit, but since that one got ninja'd with no explanation...

Yeah, so did a friends leaving post.

Guess thats how things are run around here.

That happens sometimes. Here are a few things the posts that disappeared didn't follow:

Official Forum Rules - Read Before Posting

Do's and Don'ts

*discussing actions taken on other persons threads isn't really a public discussion topic*

Cadsuane wrote:

How many people said CR2 was the final straw?  While this is a major change to the way we play, I don't think it's worth quite the amount of panic it seems to have generated. 

Well said, flip flop.

Cadsuane wrote:

How many people said CR2 was the final straw?  While this is a major change to the way we play, I don't think it's worth quite the amount of panic it seems to have generated. 

Because, those that stayed through to CR2 knew we'd still have a dynamic, interactive storyline.  Oh wait...

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Cadsuane wrote:

How many people said CR2 was the final straw?  While this is a major change to the way we play, I don't think it's worth quite the amount of panic it seems to have generated. 

Because, those that stayed through to CR2 knew we'd still have a dynamic, interactive storyline.  Oh wait...

Leading on from that point... It is *not* a major change. Cads we lost what was MXO's uniqueness. by technicality it changed, but generally change goes from equal to equal... CR1 - CR2 There was no real fault with CR2 it was the change that as you said drove those away. THis however, is going from bien à mal.. good to bad...

I stayed from cr1-cr2 because i could see the benifits to the system and the good things aswell as the bad... Now however im stumpted please. Set in fornt of me the good points about losing live events to be replaced by these high level quests?

(note: i have been to about half a dozen events in 3 or so years... i'm from uk.)

The CR1-CR2 or Lith-SOE transition have been a reason to a lot of people I've met in other games for saying, "Oh yeah, I've played MxO. They changed it a long time ago and now it's dead."

Sort of like the SWG thing. I just kind of feel like it's round two for us. :/

Cadsuane wrote:

How many people said CR2 was the final straw?  While this is a major change to the way we play, I don't think it's worth quite the amount of panic it seems to have generated. 

I don't know how many people said CR2 was the final straw, because I had already quit the game before then. And not because of the SOE transfer, but because I suddenly realized after months of (naively, Id never played any MMO's) playing the game by myself that it was rigged to force you to play with other people. It seriously pssied me off that you got more "Experience" from standing in a lobby while a 50 did everything for you, than i was getting slogging trough them on my own, and actually learning how to play the game. But I digress...

And secondly, however many people complained about it, as near as I can tell CR2 did not add or remove anything from the game (though apparently for the duration of testing, there were no LE's). CR2 basically altered the combat system to balance it right? So while it was a change, it was not a loss of content.

This is a near wholesale removal of that which made this game unique among MMO's. Or at least it seems that way at the onset. Which is why I'm not jacking out right away, I'd like to give Rare time to take this all in. But i can pretty safely say that if this isn't "adjusted" within the next 3 months or so, that I will, in fact, can my sub.

I haven't been following this thread, but I bet it gets to 200 replies before being locked.

/jacksintoenjoythegame

NeoExcidious wrote:

Ballak wrote:

WoKeN wrote:

I play for anywhere from one to 2 hours weekdays,a few more on the weekends and I have no problems with these changes.

I mean no offense,but half of the wording I'm hearing in the complaints sounds like they're coming from people who have been spending an unhealthy amount of time in game in the first place.

This has been a low pop game for a long time,and there will not be much change...it is what it is.

"...and there will not be much change...it is what it is." when you just said, "I have no problems with these changes."

It's a low pop game, yes, but it had reasons for people to stay even if they weren't in the form of a fancy new coat with spectacular buffs. Those reasons are all but dwindling now, it seems.

I think he's trying to tell us to get a life.

Note to those that might have gotten lost and fell onto this topic :

MxO IS Life.

Now that we've settled that, let's move on.

cookie1017 wrote:

NeoExcidious wrote:

Ballak wrote:

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I think he's trying to tell us to get a life.

Note to those that might have gotten lost and fell onto this topic :[

MxO IS Life.

Now that we've settled that, let's move on.

NeoExcidious  is absolutely correct.

Cookie is absolutely correct.

They have found the way.

Mindsweep wrote:

Would this make you stay in MxO?

If we did get the LE's back (with all that follows etc.)

If we did get LESIG back (maybe a upgraded version..idk)

If we did get the storyline back to where everyone could follow it.

If we did get new toy's for RP's

If we did get new toy's for PvP's

That's all I want for Christmas.

Uh...yeah. I'd suggest going over the whole DN1 and maybe figure out (mostly from Rarebit's short speeches) that LESIG wasn't disbanded, only player controlled liaison officers. So you might wanna scratch that out.

We still have LEs , just no content.

The way i see it, right now, the only toys that we would get for RP or PVP, are from a quick-drive to Toys-R-Us.

- I gotta say Ballak, I never had cable since i moved but after visiting a friend i've realized it's a couple hundred programs of essenceless time wasters.-

-Oh and gj ArchDuke on fixing the post succeeding the one I quoted, exactly the way I would have.-

Thx Sugaree for your kind words, I'd have left your post as a conclusion, but I couldn't help pointing out some errors of judgement in previous posts

You're not in the minority when it comes to long-term subscribers.

You're just in the segment that's been labeled the minority.

Danger_Frog1471 wrote:

Leading on from that point... It is *not* a major change.

An example of something not a major change would be pants on gi. This, actually, is a major change.

another one leaving..... thanx again rarebit

Cadsuane wrote:

How many people said CR2 was the final straw?  While this is a major change to the way we play, I don't think it's worth quite the amount of panic it seems to have generated. 

I don't ever recall anyone saying CR2 was the final straw.  I remember everyone being generally excited about it, and those of us that were on the test server were genuinely impressed.  Maybe it was like that on Syntax, but I don't know.  Those I tested with on Recursion and Vector seemed to love it.

*shrug*

However, if there was an outcry about CR2 that I didn't seem to notice...  there's a lot less players now then there were during the change with CR2.