11.3 Zion meeting - Wed, Nov 26th, 2:00 pm, Vector

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I think the bottom line is we've gone from one unsustainable extreme (daily live events on top of new crits, new contructs, new content, new bug fixes, new quests, new moods, etc.)  to another unsustainable extreme (a Quarterly Board Meeting/glorified chat room four times a year for your faction on your server).

Its like going from an 800 mph Rocket Car to a rusty unicylce. 

Was it really unsustainable, though? We've had it for years, thus making the change at least seem unwarranted.

The extreme degree to which the course changed only verifies and exaggerates it.

At this rate, I would be surprised if I remained with MxO following the winter event and the conclusion of my own in-game shenanigans. I was okay paying 15 bucks a month for two events every month and liaison interraction.

Now that that's out and I'm a lot shorter on time I'm left with a greatly lacking storyline and nothing to do after patch day.

:/

Sounds like thike these meetings are not going very well.

Sorry this one sounded like the least best one.  I kind of suspected that - you know, you Zions are very correct when you say Rarebit hates and/or is biased against Zion.  I was at Fan Faire 08 and he said so himself.  In an open forum discussion at one point I was asking something about org. rewards (concerning the FM1500 controversy) and said - "You don't want to make them because it seems like you are biased to Zion and Merv.  You favor the Machines"  And he laughingly declared: "Of course I'm biased! Hahahaha!!"

And lately he does favor Machine and Merv.  And has given Zion the total short end of the stick (so to speak).  Which - even though I play a Machinist most of the time - I think is absolutley wrong.  When being the Dev. the writer should try to give equal consideration to both sides - in this case the 5 sides.  But still there is 2 basicly sides - "good and evil (light and dark)".  I think Rarebit doesn't write or like Zion because he doesn't understand it.  But that does not give him the excuse to treat it the way he does!

It is easier to write up bad characters, villains, and such because we all like to be silly and somewhat "bad-azz".  It's more difficult to play the heroes and play the morality and the just cause.  The thing about The Matrix Mythos is that nothing is set in stone, sometimes the line blur. But Zion is NOT weak!, or the lesser 1/2!  And should not be treated as such. Niobe and Ghost are powerfull characters.  Rarebit said: "Shimada is my least fav. character..." he said so himself in a previous thread about design (or something) - and what did he do? He had Veil (his fav. character) killed her - no surprise to me there.  The only thing he seemed to like about Shimada was her bvtt.  He doesn't understand Niobe - or how to play her correctly.  She is an aggresive character - who steadily believes in Zion's cause, but is not quite as zealous at The Kid.  And The Kid (now with Shinada's death) would be quite the Zealot.  Which SHOULD put an interesting spin on things.  But I have my doubts and have absoutly no faith in his ability to write the story correctly or fairly for Zion.  Yeh I'm a Machinist - but this is too far!!  Constantly giving Zion players the shaft is just stupid and wrong - especialy on Rarebit's part.

The favoritism - not only of players, but of the orgs - has to stop!

Beat me up if you guys will.  I believe what I believe.

Darkhawk wrote:

Sorry this one sounded like the least best one.  I kind of suspected that - you know, you Zions are very correct when you say Rarebit hates and/or is biased against Zion.  I was at Fan Faire 08 and he said so himself.  In an open forum discussion at one point I was asking something about org. rewards (concerning the FM1500 controversy) and said - "You don't want to make them because it seems like you are biased to Zion and Merv.  You favor the Machines"  And he laughingly declared: "Of course I'm biased! Hahahaha!!"

Here is an early christmas present =D

The idea that a dev would be serious in stating that he was 'biased against an org' is laughable in itself.

Also, Machines recieved a 'special' grey banadana (clone of sleepwalker 'dana with different buffs?) while the Zion and Merv org reward were completely new items. I'm not claiming favourtism against the machines or anything, I'm just saying that to imply that the machines get everything rosey and new is naive and wrong.

Darkhawk wrote:

:/

Sounds like thike these meetings are not going very well.

Sorry this one sounded like the least best one.  I kind of suspected that - you know, you Zions are very correct when you say Rarebit hates and/or is biased against Zion.  I was at Fan Faire 08 and he said so himself.  In an open forum discussion at one point I was asking something about org. rewards (concerning the FM1500 controversy) and said - "You don't want to make them because it seems like you are biased to Zion and Merv.  You favor the Machines"  And he laughingly declared: "Of course I'm biased! Hahahaha!!"

And lately he does favor Machine and Merv.  And has given Zion the total short end of the stick (so to speak).  Which - even though I play a Machinist most of the time - I think is absolutley wrong.  When being the Dev. the writer should try to give equal consideration to both sides - in this case the 5 sides.  But still there is 2 basicly sides - "good and evil (light and dark)".  I think Rarebit doesn't write or like Zion because he doesn't understand it.  But that does not give him the excuse to treat it the way he does!

It is easier to write up bad characters, villains, and such because we all like to be silly and somewhat "bad-azz".  It's more difficult to play the heroes and play the morality and the just cause.  The thing about The Matrix Mythos is that nothing is set in stone, sometimes the line blur. But Zion is NOT weak!, or the lesser 1/2!  And should not be treated as such. Niobe and Ghost are powerfull characters.  Rarebit said: "Shimada is my least fav. character..." he said so himself in a previous thread about design (or something) - and what did he do? He had Veil (his fav. character) killed her - no surprise to me there.  The only thing he seemed to like about Shimada was her bvtt.  He doesn't understand Niobe - or how to play her correctly.  She is an aggresive character - who steadily believes in Zion's cause, but is not quite as zealous at The Kid.  And The Kid (now with Shinada's death) would be quite the Zealot.  Which SHOULD put an interesting spin on things.  But I have my doubts and have absoutly no faith in his ability to write the story correctly or fairly for Zion.  Yeh I'm a Machinist - but this is too far!!  Constantly giving Zion players the shaft is just stupid and wrong - especialy on Rarebit's part.

The favoritism - not only of players, but of the orgs - has to stop!

Beat me up if you guys will.  I believe what I believe.

*sigh* here we go again with your mindless bashing of rarebit.

He said it with a sarcastic tone to his voice which you failed to detect.

I believe he said it sarcastically also.

And could the reason for the Zion meeting being so lackluster the result of it being the last one of the three?  Most of the questions Zionites had were probably answered already in the Mech and Merv meetings.  Any I right on either of those?

The absolute last thing we need right now is dev bashing.  You're gonna get this thread locked.  Not only that but you're completely undermining our calm rational arguments.  Totally counterproductive.  Please stop.

I didn't hear him say it but I can't believe that he'd say it and mean it in public, plus I heard a while back that he said it in a sarcastic manner. I think Yas is quite right with the latest items and Arch made a very good point about questions already answered, although some Zionite probably asked them again to get Niobe's viewpoint on it.

[Edited to prevent lockage due to flaming]

IMO, when someone adds 'Go ahead and bash me for this, I know you will' to a post, maybe the post ought to be re-thought as to why you may be 'bashed' (or, you know, corrected).

Yasamuu wrote:

IMO, when someone adds 'Go ahead and bash me for this, I know you will' to a post, maybe the post ought to be re-thought as to why you may be 'bashed' (or, you know, corrected).

You added 'Go ahead and bash me for this, I know you will' in your post, you should have ret-- Oh god, I did it too. OH GOD WHY

deimoslvov wrote:

Darminian wrote:

Sort of like the Neo RSI - hologram - which to my knowledge only became a hologram yesterday when rarebit said it was one.

Oh yeah, that part was odd. I wasn't there yet when all the Neo RSI story was going on, but I understood the "body" in Gracy was assembled from his RSI fragments. And all of a sudden I hear Niobe saying it's just a hologram.... *shrug* 

   One of the critical missions that occurred shortly after the RSI was placed in-game had Pace saying that it was just an image.  I remember this because, unless I'm mistaken, Agent Pace said it was the version that Morpheus displayed (meaning it's not made from the fragments they, the Merovingian, or anyone else had), and the mission implied that they somehow obtained it.

   There may have been at least one live event in the past where it was again mentioned that it was an image.

Hydrazine wrote:

We started the meeting with questions and ended the meeting without answers. Oh, except that EPN withholds information from Zion... huh?? That guy shouldve been booted for disrupting the meeting, starting false rumors about EPN, and disrespecting half the group that was there because they are EPN.

   ...

   You know, I would make a long-winded post about how it isn't a "false rumor", and that you only think it's false because you're inside and looking out, but it would probably get this thread locked. ¬_¬

Sounds like nothing went wrong with any of these meetings except for false hopes, people trying to be a little naughty (and failing) and too many of the same questions being already answered before. Am I right in assuming this? All bull aside, I mean?

If so this could mean this current system is doing A-OK, other than a lot of players missing the usual daily event thing. I mean, look at all the work Rarebit's gotten done. He was done with the new winter content weeks ago, and it looks like he may be working on even newer content right now.

Othinn1 wrote:

Hydrazine wrote:

We started the meeting with questions and ended the meeting without answers. Oh, except that EPN withholds information from Zion... huh?? That guy shouldve been booted for disrupting the meeting, starting false rumors about EPN, and disrespecting half the group that was there because they are EPN.

   ...

   You know, I would make a long-winded post about how it isn't a "false rumor", and that you only think it's false because you're inside and looking out, but it would probably get this thread locked. ¬_¬

*recalls messageing Othinn of locations of EPN events and chat logs numberous times*

GamiSB wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

Hydrazine wrote:

We started the meeting with questions and ended the meeting without answers. Oh, except that EPN withholds information from Zion... huh?? That guy shouldve been booted for disrupting the meeting, starting false rumors about EPN, and disrespecting half the group that was there because they are EPN.

   ...

   You know, I would make a long-winded post about how it isn't a "false rumor", and that you only think it's false because you're inside and looking out, but it would probably get this thread locked. ¬_¬

*recalls messageing Othinn of locations of EPN events and chat logs numberous times*

   True, but you're one out of about three EPN players that actually helps me.  It seems that the rest of EPN on all three servers would rather see me face down in a river.

Othinn1 wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

Hydrazine wrote:

We started the meeting with questions and ended the meeting without answers. Oh, except that EPN withholds information from Zion... huh?? That guy shouldve been booted for disrupting the meeting, starting false rumors about EPN, and disrespecting half the group that was there because they are EPN.

   ...

   You know, I would make a long-winded post about how it isn't a "false rumor", and that you only think it's false because you're inside and looking out, but it would probably get this thread locked. ¬_¬

*recalls messageing Othinn of locations of EPN events and chat logs numberous times*

   True, but you're one out of about three EPN players that actually helps me.  It seems that the rest of EPN on all three servers would rather see me face down in a river.

Point is some of us made sure that those who wern't intersted in personal gain and were intersted in the comunity as a whole knew what was going on. No information realted to events or intel has been witheld from those people and if it was it was revealed later to them when it was most relevent. 

And to the people complaining about the data the Oracle gave EPN? yeah no one, not even EPN knows what the eff that is so turn your complaints towards Rarebit and not the org.

K so... I start all my posts that way... get used to it

I too, was inititially quite dissapointed in the meeting. Like Darminian, sometimes i just want to throttle everyone for having the most Whacked out ideas about whats going on in the story. Otherwise, didnt agree with him much.

however, in looking through some of Rare's responses to the machine meeting thread, he has clearly openly stated that he was there to get feedback on operatves Ideas about the story, what interests them, etc. This is the FIRST Chapter of this new approach. Rare has claimed that he wants a more OPEN storyline, that is less-linear.... Do we expect him to accomplish that by coming in and telling us what the story is?

I think what I saw is Rare establishing an opening move... come in and ask questions. Now that hes got some answers, we may see responses in the Cinematic and Missions on the next Update. I would also like to think that we will return to a certain number of LE's over the course of the next update. And I expect that, if we look closely, Those events will address exactly the things that we discussed in the meeting.

Guess I'm saying, don't throw in the towel yet people. But i too hope that this is just the initial phase... if we go a month or two with the same basic approach, Im just gonna reduce my presence and become an occasional show up and PvP player.

Waiting to see....

Othinn1 wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

Hydrazine wrote:

We started the meeting with questions and ended the meeting without answers. Oh, except that EPN withholds information from Zion... huh?? That guy shouldve been booted for disrupting the meeting, starting false rumors about EPN, and disrespecting half the group that was there because they are EPN.

   ...

   You know, I would make a long-winded post about how it isn't a "false rumor", and that you only think it's false because you're inside and looking out, but it would probably get this thread locked. ¬_¬

*recalls messageing Othinn of locations of EPN events and chat logs numberous times*

   True, but you're one out of about three EPN players that actually helps me.  It seems that the rest of EPN on all three servers would rather see me face down in a river.

*recalls a posting of a given LE log that didn't have the faction chat removed.*

GodTier wrote:

Sounds like nothing went wrong with any of these meetings except for false hopes, people trying to be a little naughty (and failing) and too many of the same questions being already answered before. Am I right in assuming this? All bull aside, I mean?

If so this could mean this current system is doing A-OK, other than a lot of players missing the usual daily event thing. I mean, look at all the work Rarebit's gotten done. He was done with the new winter content weeks ago, and it looks like he may be working on even newer content right now.

It isn't a-ok. It's as planned.

There are lots of plans, and lots of them go accordingly.

But that doesn't make them good plans.

I played this game for the dynamic content, now that it's shifted from about 75% dynamic 25% static to 80% static 20% dynamic (where the dynamic is intensely lackluster to begin with), it's become disinteresting. As a paying customer, I voice my dissatisfaction with the way the new system functions in relation to the way the old system functioned as I feel that the money I have paid for content and service has gone towards a negative change in content and service.

Just because it happens doesn't mean it should.

When I first read about the org meetings and how they were just going to be discussions, I thought to myself, okay, rarebit knows that just standing around talking is boring and that he will add something mid-way through to liven it up. 

Such as, Agents find our location and attack or.. there is some lvl 70 recording our conversation and we have to track him down and get the recording. Something like Enter the Matrix/Matrix reloaded, where the captain's meeting (the same one that rarebit keeps referring to that these meetings are suppose to reflect) is broken up by agents/security and Neo fights the agents and all the captains have to get away from the security and get to a hardline safely.

If this is just a transition to be the end of all interaction whatsoever, just put the horse out of its misery now.

LtCmdr_Tsusai wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:

Hydrazine wrote:

We started the meeting with questions and ended the meeting without answers. Oh, except that EPN withholds information from Zion... huh?? That guy shouldve been booted for disrupting the meeting, starting false rumors about EPN, and disrespecting half the group that was there because they are EPN.

   ...

   You know, I would make a long-winded post about how it isn't a "false rumor", and that you only think it's false because you're inside and looking out, but it would probably get this thread locked. ¬_¬

*recalls messageing Othinn of locations of EPN events and chat logs numberous times*

   True, but you're one out of about three EPN players that actually helps me.  It seems that the rest of EPN on all three servers would rather see me face down in a river.

*recalls a posting of a given LE log that didn't have the faction chat removed.*

   You were all treating me badly long before that, plus I'm talking about EPN on all servers.

psilody wrote:

K so... I start all my posts that way... get used to it

I too, was inititially quite dissapointed in the meeting. Like Darminian, sometimes i just want to throttle everyone for having the most Whacked out ideas about whats going on in the story. Otherwise, didnt agree with him much.

however, in looking through some of Rare's responses to the machine meeting thread, he has clearly openly stated that he was there to get feedback on operatves Ideas about the story, what interests them, etc. This is the FIRST Chapter of this new approach. Rare has claimed that he wants a more OPEN storyline, that is less-linear.... Do we expect him to accomplish that by coming in and telling us what the story is?

I think what I saw is Rare establishing an opening move... come in and ask questions. Now that hes got some answers, we may see responses in the Cinematic and Missions on the next Update. I would also like to think that we will return to a certain number of LE's over the course of the next update. And I expect that, if we look closely, Those events will address exactly the things that we discussed in the meeting.

Guess I'm saying, don't throw in the towel yet people. But i too hope that this is just the initial phase... if we go a month or two with the same basic approach, Im just gonna reduce my presence and become an occasional show up and PvP player.

Waiting to see....

Well, if it turns up to be true, I'll give it to thumbs up and reconsider what I said about my dissapointement. Honestly.

Well I respect those that think they like these meetings.  I'm amazed you can put up with such lacklustre content.  But lets not go moaning at those who don't like it.  Rare needs to get feedback from both sides, and so I'm adding feedback to the "I don't like it" side. 

If this is the content we can expect then I applaud those who persevere but I certainly won't be hanging around to stand there.  The level of content is dire now.  5 weeks of missions condensed into 1hrs work.  And all this amazing content?  Clothing items that are mostly obtained doing the same 2 quests again and again (and again and again).  A few pieces are elsewhere sure, but they're for quest givers that most people probably did ages ago.

GreyMountain wrote:

Well I respect those that think they like these meetings.  I'm amazed you can put up with such lacklustre content.  But lets not go moaning at those who don't like it.  Rare needs to get feedback from both sides, and so I'm adding feedback to the "I don't like it" side. 

Really?

In thise case i  put my feedback too.

Well i don't like this meeting cause after asking  our question and get the answer(?!?! Belive im one that like much criptyc answer but those answer are too criptyc) , we can still do nothing until the next chapter of the story will be relased.

Of course during the old LE, the story was already written too, but at least we got the interest to jacking in cause no one know for sure when the next LE will take place.

Now the difference is that we know for sure  that nothing will happen until next chapter come out, after that we can learn  the news in 3-4 days, then what?

NOTHING!!

Sure you can say, there is a lot of things to do inside mxo, content  archve  construct pvp etc. but it all things yet done, with no more interston doing, or maybe thing tha can be interesting after playng for three  four time lose interest.

Before this contents can fill the empty between the LE, now,  the story fill the empty between the content.....  for semething interesting we just need to pray that some good LESIG ( God bless them all) will jack in and give us something for let our brains work, otherwise we all becoming like bot gang in the city doing every time we jack in the same boring not interestin routine.........

My feedback on the meetings.... well if  the LE will come back one per org per month per server is a good interesting thing, but stand alone is useless cause we can receive the same information we received ( i talk for zion meeting) simply reading the LE forum.......

P.S.

I forget, but i think to understand that if some  question asked to the leaders (niobe in my case) was of some insignificance (is this the word for) will be ignored.

Well maybe this is why i asked two time niobe   what is the official position of zion about the "nameless crew" and the thermal fragment stuff and get twice ignored. I was aspecting at least  something like "zion got no position on this specific topic ((this is a lesig stuff so i don't know nothing about it ask them)).

SEPET wrote:

Now the difference is that we know for sure that nothing will happen until next chapter come out, after that we can learn  the news in 3-4 days, then what?

NOTHING!!

You know that for sure do you? Your basing your fact on being halfway through the first chapter in the new approach and allowing for the point that Rarebit may be settling into it and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If rare think to change the lack of "interesting things" to do in the next future he can simply tell us something like "yes this is a transitional state", how many time we need to wait before people even in mara or in (chapter area) will decrease from 50 of 2 month ago to 10 of yesterday.

I host the italian fan mxo site and  the % of italian player interested now in mxo is going down to...  just me and 2-3 of my crewmate.

Bringing game EVENT from daily to 0 is not a good way to make thing, at least is my opinion and of most italian player or at least of the ones i know.

Agreed.

I confirm what SEPET said. I wasn't at the meeting. And in the past I lost some LE in very few cases.

Vinia wrote:

...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.

odj wrote:

Vinia wrote:

...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.

Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.

deimoslvov wrote:

odj wrote:

Vinia wrote:

...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.

Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.

I don't think we can or should expect any modifications or changes to this New Approach until after the winter holidays, since we might get a little bump from ppl returning home for the holidays).   That being said I will most definately express my strong disapproval of the fundemental changes that have changed this game from a dynamic one to a static one (just like any generic, random, run-of-the-mill, everyday mmo but with a tiny player base barely hanging on by a thread....ironically enough that thread being this game's uniqueness and dynamism!)...from now until we get some type of understanding if all of this New Approach stuff is completely carved in stone or not. 

If you think the MxO base is all gaga over these new changes, well I wouldn't put money on it, let's put it that way.  How will we know?  Let's see how many people vote with their feet in January if indeed these changes are wriiten in stone!

I must admit, I did not attend this Zion meeting. That was due partly because I have stated from when the announcements were made that I don't want to have to create alts on other servers , especially hostile (...) to attend a meeting that apparently lacks content. On the other hand I didn't go because of the feedback I got from the Mechs after the Machine meeting. Put simply, after I had lost alot of interest in MxO having seen what the successor of the liason-organized meetings was (cheap convo for 30 mins then every1 left), I came in this monday to chat with some friends and all the Mechs were telling me how pointless their meeting was. I figured the Zion one would be the same and read through this thread to confirm my suspicion (tho was hoping i was wrong).

If my opinion is to be taken in consideration though, I must  say I'm on the side of the ones that don't like the "new approach". It seems to me it is the opposite of the "New Deal", instead of solving a crysis (such as player base), making it worse. I understand Vinia and others that fight back the pessimism and their hope that this will not all go to hell. On that I share your feelings. But I must say I agree with odj and those that say that if Rarebit had taken in consideration the feedback on the New Approach, we wouldn't have these doubts now. The only thing interesting left right now (for me) are hvcrft battles, which fortunately Vogt keeps doing.

I believe that , if these meetings lack content, it is because nothing is happening. There is no more storyline and that is probably due to the transformation of crits into quests you need to redo to achieve items. Sure, Tyndall says new stuff but u tell me what killing Wright hundreds of times and seeing the BIP or w/e the ??? is - means storyline-wise. How do you translate that in RP? Yay we killed Wright, but tomorrow, we're gonna kill her again, cuz her pants turn into deccel bits.

I hope, for the sake of MxO and its community, that these hopes - of everything having a benefic result in the near future, come true. I don't know what Sepet's fan site activity percentage was before, but I know what MxO's server activity and eventually player base will look like if our hopes are deceived.

odj wrote:

Vinia wrote:

...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.

You can't properly give feedback to something you have no hands-on time with.  I'm not 100% happy with all the changes either, but I couldn't make a determination before it came out.  Rarebit had to try it out first.   

ArchDuke wrote:

odj wrote:

Vinia wrote:

...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.

You can't properly give feedback to something you have no hands-on time with.  I'm not 100% happy with all the changes either, but I couldn't make a determination before it came out.  Rarebit had to try it out first.   

Put it this way, when 1 man tells you you're drunk you laugh at him. When 10 pple tell you the same thing, in this case hundreds, you go to sleep and you start fresh. i do agree he had to try it out , but some things can be foreseen without experiencing them -> deduction ftw. look where we ended up.

tell you what, let's postpone this convo to the feedback on the first update beyond winter holidays.

NeoExcidious wrote:

ArchDuke wrote:

odj wrote:

Vinia wrote:

...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.

If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.

You can't properly give feedback to something you have no hands-on time with.  I'm not 100% happy with all the changes either, but I couldn't make a determination before it came out.  Rarebit had to try it out first.   

Put it this way, when 1 man tells you you're drunk you laugh at him. When 10 pple tell you the same thing, in this case hundreds, you go to sleep and you start fresh. i do agree he had to try it out , but some things can be foreseen without experiencing them -> deduction ftw. look where we ended up.

tell you what, let's postpone this convo to the feedback on the first update beyond winter holidays.

I like to think of this first round of meetings of the New Approach as an experiment.  Rarebit had a hypothesis and a procedure.  He was testing that hypothesis.  He had to try it out to see how it would work, because you never know for sure unless you try.  Even if players weren't happy about it.  A lot of people weren't happy with CR2.0 too.

But yeah, we'll save this for after the Winter Event.

Anyway, I'd like to bring up the following questions again: are the reports of all the three meetings and the upcoming party be posted in the "Live Events" section? If not - why? I can't see any reason why this could not be made... We have no more story summaries, Rarebit didn't say anything on the idea to actually archive the 11.3 quests... Don't tell me that even the LE section itself will be abandoned?!

deimoslvov wrote:

Anyway, I'd like to bring up the following questions again: are the reports of all the three meetings and the upcoming party be posted in the "Live Events" section? If not - why? I can't see any reason why this could not be made... We have no more story summaries, Rarebit didn't say anything on the idea to actually archive the 11.3 quests... Don't tell me that even the LE section itself will be abandoned?!

I'm sure the meetings and the LEs that still happen (though no longer daily) will get posted in that section.

deimoslvov wrote:

Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.

You misunderstand us, we like the new contents what we do not like is what of good there was before, LE.

And we do not aske to go back to daily events, but  to have back a minimum effort on the thing was the best proprieties of this game.

SEPET wrote:

deimoslvov wrote:

Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.

You misunderstand us, we like the new contents what we do not like is what of good there was before, LE.

And we do not aske to go back to daily events, but  to have back a minimum effort on the thing was the best proprieties of this game.

quite.

deimoslvov wrote:

Anyway, I'd like to bring up the following questions again: are the reports of all the three meetings and the upcoming party be posted in the "Live Events" section? If not - why?

If Rare wanted us to know all three sides of the story in this "new approach" he would open up the other org's 11.3 missions.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Even if we can't have daily events, an event every 1-2 weeks would be good. 

Illyria

I agree with both of you personally hydrazine and nubious..also I felt while i was standing there trying to read over miles of system chat that the weekly zion meetings that we have are more fuel charged and edifying than that meeting!

Tessier-Ashpool wrote:

I guess some  lvl 65guards  or lvl 100 guards will apear to protect the meeting eh ?

Dont forget its a hostile server , and the mervs and machs are bored without zionites

No, Not at all we log on our zions.

cookie1017 wrote:

I agree with both of you personally hydrazine and nubious..also I felt while i was standing there trying to read over miles of system chat that the weekly zion meetings that we have are more fuel charged and edifying than that meeting!

I believe the word is "were" hun.

Why didn't Niobe send out the rewards for the Zion vs EPN Finals?  How much longer do we have to wait?

Omega0 wrote:

Why didn't Niobe send out the rewards for the Zion vs EPN Finals?  How much longer do we have to wait?

((That's a very good question...2 months and we are still waiting!))

TonyJaa wrote:

Omega0 wrote:

Why didn't Niobe send out the rewards for the Zion vs EPN Finals?  How much longer do we have to wait?

((That's a very good question...2 months and we are still waiting!))

If you read what Pentothal said in that thread, it sounds like there were only rewards for the trials, and the finals between the 2 orgs were just bragging rights. /shrug

Bayamos wrote:

TonyJaa wrote:

Omega0 wrote:

Why didn't Niobe send out the rewards for the Zion vs EPN Finals?  How much longer do we have to wait?

((That's a very good question...2 months and we are still waiting!))

If you read what Pentothal said in that thread, it sounds like there were only rewards for the trials, and the finals between the 2 orgs were just bragging rights. /shrug

That's not what Incrypt told me in a PM.

Thats not what I heard.

Bayamos wrote:

TonyJaa wrote:

Omega0 wrote:

Why didn't Niobe send out the rewards for the Zion vs EPN Finals?  How much longer do we have to wait?

((That's a very good question...2 months and we are still waiting!))

If you read what Pentothal said in that thread, it sounds like there were only rewards for the trials, and the finals between the 2 orgs were just bragging rights. /shrug

That's what Pentothal told his operatives..Incrypt told us differently.

((I still have Incrypt's messages))

Gerik wrote:

Thats not what I heard.

Which post were you referring to?  Bayamos' post?

Omega0 wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Thats not what I heard.

Which post were you referring to?  Bayamos' post?

Pretty sure he's referring to yours.