[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

#36300503475 09/26/2008 13:52:23 [11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Operatives,

Please be aware that the meeting held with Danielle Wright was for the purpose of obtaining information only, and has been successfully concluded. The termination order for Wright remains in effect.

Efficiently,

Agent Gray

#36300503477 09/26/2008 14:02:05 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

So thats how she is able to be here, very interesting.

#36300503495 09/26/2008 14:30:55 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Am I getting this right?

The BIP was a program made by the machines to monitor redpills who were a part of the 1% of humans that rejected the system, which was agreed upon between the Machines and Oligarchs.

So then, Humans were not enslaved by the machines, only they reached an agreement, allowing the machines to hold cloned humans in the system in order to create an alternate energy source. Meaning that in the end the humans in the Matrix are simply a barganing chip for the Oligarchs end of the deal, and Humans still live freely on the surface.
That or Im overthinking it...

I believe it is the latter..

That between the lines would just be me speculating... again.

#36300503506 09/26/2008 14:52:08 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

So Halborne, Carlyne, and now Ms. Wright....their physical bodies are now dead?

Then what the Hell happened to Halborne?

#36300503517 09/26/2008 15:11:01 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

This is good news. Lends an old man some hope in living a bit longer...

#36300503551 09/26/2008 17:18:11 Re:Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Lt0Brien wrote:

Am I getting this right?
The BIP was a program made by the machines to monitor redpills who were a part of the 1% of humans that rejected the system, which was agreed upon between the Machines and Oligarchs.
So then, Humans were not enslaved by the machines, only they reached an agreement, allowing the machines to hold cloned humans in the system in order to create an alternate energy source. Meaning that in the end the humans in the Matrix are simply a barganing chip for the Oligarchs end of the deal, and Humans still live freely on the surface.
That or Im overthinking it...
I believe it is the latter..
That between the lines would just be me speculating... again.

That's not my interpretation, not to say that mine is anymore valid than yours...

The only other time I've seen mention of an agreed rejection rate, is in reference to The Truce: my presumption was that it was this which Gray was alluding to (though it might equally apply to an unknown agreement with The Oligarchs). The Oracle and The Architect hammered out a reasonable settlement following Neo purging the system of Smith. Part of the trade-off for tolerating the existence of Zion was that The Oracle created the BIP for The Architect, in order to keep a degree of control of those whose awakening was now to be tolerated.

Danielle has also made a comment which indicates she may have witnessed some effect of the BIP as part of her experiences as a disembodied entity or in her wireframe state. This would suggest that it continues to provide a link between The Matrix and the Post-Truce Redpills, even after the BIP left Machine control.

Now... Who had the BIP before it started to run wild? Could the Oligarchs have demanded the BIP from The Machines and exercised a degree of control over Redpills since soon after The Truce?

Danielle has also stated that she has extented her ability to remain alive without a body, by creating a wireframe for herself. I doubt The Oligarchs have such technology available on ShareWare, so Ms. Wright would have had to take drastic measures to acquire her wireframe: a hack of Ouroboros perhaps? She could have then inadvertently released the BIP, during this incursion... Or even on purpose?

This would be the obvious time at which she could have observed the effect which the BIP could exert, and confirm that Gray's account is consistent with that which she observed.

#36300503554 09/26/2008 17:21:42 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

We are not talking about Zion/Machine politics. This is Big Fish.

The Rejection Rate of what 2 percent was set deliberately by the Machines as per agreement with the oligarchs. You will find also in the future that the Machines do this, not willingly but are being.. choked into submission, you could say.

IE If they wanted, they could have a 0 percent rejection rate.

#36300503564 09/26/2008 18:02:20 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

To me this simply reaffirms what Neo told Morpheus:

"It was a lie, Morpheus. The prophecy was a lie. The One was never meant to end anything. It was all another system of control."

The One was never a true "anomaly". It was merely a program designed to do just what it did--keep Zion under control. It was not until the Oracle tinkered with her own toy that it exceeded its design. Though it could be said that the biological interface program did funtion perfectly, given how deviously the fortune teller played. SMILEY

In regards to Wright:

"Most interesting..."

#36300503575 09/26/2008 19:08:39 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

((Ugh. First Vector mech event in months and I miss it. Typical.))

#36300503586 09/26/2008 19:51:22 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

We must indeed keep an eye on Mrs Wright. I do believe the BIP should be kept far from her reach.

#36300503587 09/26/2008 19:59:44 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

>_>

#36300503596 09/26/2008 20:30:03 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Rewired alright SMILEY

#36300503625 09/26/2008 21:49:43 Re:Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Tranque101 wrote:

IE If they wanted, they could have a 0 percent rejection rate.

Is this speculation or did you get this information from somewhere I missed?

From what I remember of Reloaded, the Architect said that the illusion of Choice was able to keep 99% of all humans under control but it still doesn't work for 1% of the population. I don't think he meant they made it work for 99% and not for the other 1%, but that could be the case with the way the story is going.

I just want to know if this is previous knowledge or is this something you're predicting?

#36300503647 09/27/2008 01:29:15 Re:Re:Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Cervacius wrote:

Tranque101 wrote:
IE If they wanted, they could have a 0 percent rejection rate.

Is this speculation or did you get this information from somewhere I missed?
From what I remember of Reloaded, the Architect said that the illusion of Choice was able to keep 99% of all humans under control but it still doesn't work for 1% of the population. I don't think he meant they made it work for 99% and not for the other 1%, but that could be the case with the way the story is going.
I just want to know if this is previous knowledge or is this something you're predicting?

They would force those 1% to stay in the Matrix, rewrite their memories and if the grade of manipulation is too high for a specific bluepill, merely kill him and make place for a new bluepill. 0% is not possible, true, but the 1% wouldn't matter to them.

#36300504745 09/30/2008 14:01:09 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

Have they said how long ago the BIP was created?

Illyria

#36300504798 09/30/2008 17:27:30 Re:[11.2.2] Control and monitoring of humans who had been unplugged - Vector - 9/25/08

So, the BIP is the One (potential unrealized, of course).

The controls over humans were part of an arrangement. (With whom? For what?)

Danielle Wright was able to broker a deal with the Oligarchs (for lack of a better name).

And "this" will all soon come to an end. . .

The cycle of the One is about to begin anew. Stay tuned for Neo returning as an Oligarch.

And I have a feeling he's not bringing good news.