Balance Out PvP - Hypers Related

Yasamuu wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

You don't know that it can be exploited 100% at all. You're speculating that it can. Unless you yourself have physically activated a hyper twice then you're just speculating that it can be done. If it can be done, /bug it but I doubt it can be.

And 2v1's are not impossible to win either.

so if there not impossiable why are people crying about i? i know it can be done and i have proof and buged it, but there will always be exploits dosent matter what you do, there will always be a way to cheat

thats life get over it.

Uh.

What have I to get over? You're the one complaining about exploiting. Not me.

I think I just stated, there will always be people out to try and exploit but we shouldn't be punished for them wanting to do that.

The point I'm making is that Interlock classes are absolutely pointless in a zerg situation and they need to be able to have a tool to have SOME impact on the PvP. There's an ability called multi-fighting sat there, gathering dust. Make it worthwhile and just to point out that this has some actual sense behind the idea, the equivilent ability "sharpshooter" removes the penalty for firing into interlock from outside it. My proposed change would remove some of the restrictions of being an MA in interlock with people firing into interlock at you.

why not just change tree?, thats why they made it so your not tied to any tree so you can change it when you need to? or am i wrong?

Yasamuu wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

You don't know that it can be exploited 100% at all. You're speculating that it can. Unless you yourself have physically activated a hyper twice then you're just speculating that it can be done. If it can be done, /bug it but I doubt it can be.

And 2v1's are not impossible to win either.

so if there not impossiable why are people crying about i? i know it can be done and i have proof and buged it, but there will always be exploits dosent matter what you do, there will always be a way to cheat

thats life get over it.

Uh.

What have I to get over? You're the one complaining about exploiting. Not me.

I think I just stated, there will always be people out to try and exploit but we shouldn't be punished for them wanting to do that.

The point I'm making is that Interlock classes are absolutely pointless in a zerg situation and they need to be able to have a tool to have SOME impact on the PvP. There's an ability called multi-fighting sat there, gathering dust. Make it worthwhile and just to point out that this has some actual sense behind the idea, the equivilent ability "sharpshooter" removes the penalty for firing into interlock from outside it. My proposed change would remove some of the restrictions of being an MA in interlock with people firing into interlock at you.

why not just change tree?, thats why they made it so your not tied to any tree so you can change it when you need to? or am i wrong?

Vosiler wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

You don't know that it can be exploited 100% at all. You're speculating that it can. Unless you yourself have physically activated a hyper twice then you're just speculating that it can be done. If it can be done, /bug it but I doubt it can be.

And 2v1's are not impossible to win either.

so if there not impossiable why are people crying about i? i know it can be done and i have proof and buged it, but there will always be exploits dosent matter what you do, there will always be a way to cheat

thats life get over it.

Uh.

What have I to get over? You're the one complaining about exploiting. Not me.

I think I just stated, there will always be people out to try and exploit but we shouldn't be punished for them wanting to do that.

The point I'm making is that Interlock classes are absolutely pointless in a zerg situation and they need to be able to have a tool to have SOME impact on the PvP. There's an ability called multi-fighting sat there, gathering dust. Make it worthwhile and just to point out that this has some actual sense behind the idea, the equivilent ability "sharpshooter" removes the penalty for firing into interlock from outside it. My proposed change would remove some of the restrictions of being an MA in interlock with people firing into interlock at you.

why not just change tree?, thats why they made it so your not tied to any tree so you can change it when you need to? or am i wrong?

Because maybe he doesn't want to and shouldn't have to?

Some people like or prefer the duelist tree or the MA tree. Perhaps they aren't very good at the other trees. Point is that while the system allows for people to change trees that doesn't mean it should force you to change. Besides, you can't suddenly change your loadout whilst in IL and you suddenly get out numbered.

your not forced to

no ones forcing you to /pvp and get your Butt (wont let me use a better word) kicked thats your choice, also if your in il and some one shoots you i pretty sure you currently get a bonus from it a dev will have to correct me on this please, but its my understanding if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus.

your not forced to

no ones forcing you to /pvp and get your Butt (wont let me use a better word) kicked thats your choice, also if your in il and some one shoots you i pretty sure you currently get a bonus from it a dev will have to correct me on this please, but its my understanding if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus.

I love MA my main 50 has been MA all the way back in cr1 and i dont see why i should have to swap out to a easyer mode in pvp. i have two other 50's Hacker and a Gunman for that when i need two. Most of us who use MA love IL thats why we use it

Vosiler wrote:

your not forced to

no ones forcing you to /pvp and get your Butt (wont let me use a better word) kicked thats your choice, also if your in il and some one shoots you i pretty sure you currently get a bonus from it a dev will have to correct me on this please, but its my understanding if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus.

You're missing the point. People shouldn't have to not use a certain loadout because of other ones nor should they stop because of it, you really need to get that through that skull of yours and stop being stupid.

lol @ "if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus"

Gerik wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

your not forced to

no ones forcing you to /pvp and get your Butt (wont let me use a better word) kicked thats your choice, also if your in il and some one shoots you i pretty sure you currently get a bonus from it a dev will have to correct me on this please, but its my understanding if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus.

You're missing the point. People shouldn't have to not use a certain loadout because of other ones nor should they stop because of it, you really need to get that through that skull of yours and stop being stupid.

lol @ "if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus"

try it and see, or are you just another one who pays a mxo sub not to play the game but to chat with friend on the fourms ?

Gerik wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

your not forced to

no ones forcing you to /pvp and get your Butt (wont let me use a better word) kicked thats your choice, also if your in il and some one shoots you i pretty sure you currently get a bonus from it a dev will have to correct me on this please, but its my understanding if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus.

You're missing the point. People shouldn't have to not use a certain loadout because of other ones nor should they stop because of it, you really need to get that through that skull of yours and stop being stupid.

lol @ "if your being attacked by some one while your in il you get an initiative bonus"

try it and see, or are you just another one who pays a mxo sub not to play the game but to chat with friend on the fourms ?

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

Vinia wrote:

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Yasamuu wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Yay Me!

actually no it kicks in when you have much lower health so 50% vs 100% the 50% will have better rolls untill the health is about equal desp only makes a difference when you have less than 50% health as the lower health you get the more Initiative you get (only slightly more) but its mostly about how much health you have,

Also unless a dev wants to correct me how many people are attacking you.


anyway ive said my opinion and i dont want to argue over it i accept certain people will never agree with me and thats fine but id rather not keep going on about it. so i wont reply to anymore posts dissagreeing with me unless its a dev correction then ill edit

Vinia wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Yay Me!

actually no it kicks in when you have much lower health so 50% vs 100% the 50% will have better rolls untill the health is about equal desp only makes a difference when you have less than 50% health as the lower health you get the more Initiative you get (only slightly more) but its mostly about how much health you have,

Also unless a dev wants to correct me how many people are attacking you.


anyway ive said my opinion and i dont want to argue over it i accept certain people will never agree with me and thats fine but id rather not keep going on about it. so i wont reply to anymore posts dissagreeing with me unless its a dev correction then ill edit

Vosiler wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Yay Me!

actually no it kicks in when you have much lower health so 50% vs 100% the 50% will have better rolls untill the health is about equal desp only makes a difference when you have less than 50% health as the lower health you get the more Initiative you get (only slightly more) but its mostly about how much health you have,

Also unless a dev wants to correct me how many people are attacking you.


anyway ive said my opinion and i dont want to argue over it i accept certain people will never agree with me and thats fine but id rather not keep going on about it. so i wont reply to anymore posts dissagreeing with me unless its a dev correction then ill edit

Actually, it's more effective when you have much lower than half health but if you use it from the start it also has some effect effect. I've seen MA's use that technique, with mixed results, to try and end a duel quickly.

Players can correct you if you're wrong, we don't need a dev to waste their time doing so.

Vosiler wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Yay Me!

actually no it kicks in when you have much lower health so 50% vs 100% the 50% will have better rolls untill the health is about equal desp only makes a difference when you have less than 50% health as the lower health you get the more Initiative you get (only slightly more) but its mostly about how much health you have,

Also unless a dev wants to correct me how many people are attacking you.


anyway ive said my opinion and i dont want to argue over it i accept certain people will never agree with me and thats fine but id rather not keep going on about it. so i wont reply to anymore posts dissagreeing with me unless its a dev correction then ill edit

Actually, it's more effective when you have much lower than half health but if you use it from the start it also has some effect effect. I've seen MA's use that technique to decent effect to try and end a duel quickly.

Players can correct you if you're wrong, we don't need a dev to waste their time doing so.

so go get a dev to try and correct me as im pretty sure you dont have a clue but now ill be the bigger man and stop posting as you clearly have a problem with me. Good Game

Vast chasms of delusion and nonsensical rants based on nothing but some 'wins' pressing some buttons and walking around Mara C in /mood cocky, whilst backing away from the stated point slowly as an act of self-affirmation.

actually no as you have no idea for certain if its true or not so players cant. and every ma that uses desp at the start with me gets their Butt (again filter) handed back to them. i am ma and i can say im a very good one also many wont like it but thats fact, and i gave an example 50% vs 100% of this to make a point if you are both at 20% health desp has the same effect as if you were both 100% thats tested so go get a dev to try and correct me as im pretty sure you dont have a clue but now ill be the bigger man and stop posting as you clearly have a problem with me. Good Game

i wont reply to anymore posts dissagreeing with me unless its a dev correction then ill edit 

Initiative only works, currently, when the Desperation ability is running. I will use my Engine and Turbo Charger analogy here as it seems to have worked before.

• Initiative currently adds to your Acc for interlock special abilities when active.
• Initiative currently is only available from the Desperation ability.
• Initiative is your engine.
• Initiative Bonus is your Turbo Charger which does nothing if your engine is not running.

On a side note please be aware that even if your Acc was 500, you could still roll a 1 on your To Hit roll for the round. Not very likely but its still possible, if just improbable.

Yasamuu wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Vinia wrote:

I thought Initiative only kicks in when desperation is used.

DING DING DING

We have a winner!

Yay Me!

actually no it kicks in when you have much lower health so 50% vs 100% the 50% will have better rolls untill the health is about equal desp only makes a difference when you have less than 50% health as the lower health you get the more Initiative you get (only slightly more) but its mostly about how much health you have,

Also unless a dev wants to correct me how many people are attacking you.


anyway ive said my opinion and i dont want to argue over it i accept certain people will never agree with me and thats fine but id rather not keep going on about it. so i wont reply to anymore posts dissagreeing with me unless its a dev correction then ill edit

Actually, it's more effective when you have much lower than half health but if you use it from the start it also has some effect effect. I've seen MA's use that technique to decent effect to try and end a duel quickly.

Players can correct you if you're wrong, we don't need a dev to waste their time doing so.

actually no as you have no idea for certain if its true or not so players cant. and every ma that uses desp at the start with me gets their Butt (again filter) handed back to them. i am ma and i can say im a very good one also many wont like it but thats fact, and i gave an example 50% vs 100% of this to make a point if you are both at 20% health desp has the same effect as if you were both 100% thats tested so go get a dev to try and correct me as im pretty sure you dont have a clue but now ill be the bigger man and stop posting as you clearly have a problem with me. Good Game

Vinia wrote:

KanoR wrote:

Vinia wrote:

KanoR wrote:

Multi-fighting should go back to how it was supposed to be.

What? Massively buggy?

you are can reads.

Supposed to be.

In theory, it would of been amazing.

If the company who made the game couldn't sort out the issues with it, do you think that the two-three Dev's we have now can do better?

And yes, I caught the quote button moments after your edit, so what I read and what ended up being quoted was different.

Yeah, it was massively buggy when it was in use.  It still was awesome in theory.  

This got pushed back to the 2nd page so just a bump.

Still think the combat system needs 2 hypers.

Let me try and put it this way, what do yous do when its 2 v 1 and the 2 is a gunner and mkt? As far as i know, defense clothing doesn't match up to the defense of a hyper. So then your saying, bump up you res. Now what about 3 diff trees ganking?

I tend to pvp solo against zergs quite frequent and all you really can do is slam on alot of acc and hope for the best (i.e. no stuns, powerless etc hitting.) And i just don't think pvp should be like this when its outnumbered.

Constantly changing hyper in a fight tends to not be that good either. As soon as you change it to one that isn't who your in interlock with, EVERY roll they do should go through... and changing hyper isn't a guarantee that the other hitting into interlock is going to miss.

Would like a dev to post in this to see if it is possible or not (well we all know it is...)

How far will this go? As you say, 2 hypers running will give some form of increased defence against 2 different trees zerging but what happens when a third joins in? Same result as a 2v1. While I'd like there to be another Hyper running alongside (not restricted to deflect as it used to be) I can understand why there should be only one, and yes it's an RP reason, but it's pretty much the same reason why I feel HJ should be nerfed or reduced to a certain number (so that lower levels won't feel the effect until they're a higher level) when in a combat stance. A person can only focus their mind so much, concentrate on something so much that their situational awareness gets limited which means that other abilities would be affected.

In fact if it had been supported in the game's code I would have suggested that you could run all four at the same time but each one's defence score divided into the humber of hypers running at the time. Of course not being a very dynamic system, you'd have to refresh them all when you change it. /shrug

I'm just thinking that only managing to defend against 1 out of a possible 4 trees is a bit stupid.

This is a numbers game, we all know it. Defending against 2 trees would cut it down a bit.

Having more than 2 running wouldn't work. What would the point in having hypers be then.

I can see your RP PoV but still, 1 hyper v 3 people = dead in 2 secs.

2 hypers v 3 people = good players could possibly kill all 3, average could take down at least 1.

Its not the killing. Its just the not dying so fast lol Especially when its mkts and snipers (which there always is on vector.) Its like walking about and seeing nothing then its a staggering and a SS. Can only defend against one or the other and the defense is only a chance of them not hitting you. Not 100%, so for crying out load, for PVP's sake. We need 2!!!

privaronT wrote:

Yeah the one gripe I have with CR2 is its way to numbers based.  I think the ability to load two hypers is a pretty realistic and good idea to solve this its not an end all be all fix bit it gives some survivability and thats a start.

Agreed on the survival part and that it trumps RP reasons.

That would be a good idea to have two hypers activated at one time. Perhaps the system doesn't detect having two loaded at a time for whatever reason, so maybe it could be made to with the theme of "Armored" and "Shielded" to where a player can have either Hyper Block or Hyper dodge active, and as for their other hyper they can have either Hyper Deflect or Hyper sense. Not sure if that was already said in this thread, so just throwing it out there. (I probably already posted in this thread but can't remember, so whatever.)

A smaller number of people can and will defeat a larger group of people time and time again as long as the smaller group is diversified in their attacks, have the support of debuffing hackers and/or a healer, and are just over-all more organized and communicative. And of course, there's "under-handed" tactics like hit-and-run, "omg heals" and so on.

exsuscito wrote:

Vosiler wrote:

Vast chasms of delusion and nonsensical rants based on nothing but some 'wins' pressing some buttons and walking around Mara C in /mood cocky, whilst backing away from the stated point slowly as an act of self-affirmation.

I know it's a bit out of date, but I nominate this for the most epic post made this year.

On topic, I think a choice of Thrown/Viral defense and Ballistic/Melee defense is the best idea, seems like it would have the least possibility for bugs when implemented aswell.