The lost moves? Where did they go?

The other day i was looking for some matrix online movies on youtube.
And I found something very interesting-

I know that some of the moves that was in beta was taken out before launch for various reasons.
But where did they go? And why were they taken out?
Im guessing it had something to do with them being unbalanced maybe, but I dont know.

Here is a link to one of the beta vids I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYq92Ek_Kyo : Look for the move performed in the 36th sec..looks absolutly awesome.
Anyone recognize that move? Im guessing some of you beta guys would?

This one is not a beta move, but I dont reacall to ever carry out that move myself?
And its deffo not a shadow wallkick 
So what it is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAq9...feature=related

Whatever they are..I want them back!

Im sure they could both be brought back if devs wanted it. I just hope there is a very good reson for them to be taken out in the first place.

As for the wall kick, they way I heard it was that its jused to be a standard finish move but was taken out for some reason. Then it was given back as the shadow pill we know today.
But I just dont think that the move performed in the vid beares any resemblance to how the wallkick normally performs?
So im guessing they are to completly different moves.

Id just like to know why these great moves are was taken out and why they cant be put back in?
Would be nice to hear it from a devs mouth...*coughs..feel free to step in anytime Rare

But I just dont think that the move performed in the vid beares any resemblance to how the wallkick normally performs?
So im guessing they are to completly different moves.

pill form sucks

I guess it's easier implementing them in that form, plus being activatable by anyone regardless of loadout will prevent people who use other trees from complaining about new content being brought in for a particular tree only.

I wouldn't mind the hack grant pill being brought back if more MA moves or even ballistic moves were added in pill form. Even though it's not in 'pill' form the shurikens are activatable by anyone for a bit of thrown damage. Same method different icon.

"But I don't see a reason why Rarebit can't toy with the more reasonable animations to add some more diversity."

Because he doesn't feel like it ok?!!? - God he's got a busy bloody schedule without bending over backwards to the whin of every player, you people just take and take and take!

===

On a side note the wall maneuvers were really sick but so completely random by the time you actually saw them it happened so fast you couldn't even his the screenshot button, i know i've done a few, but i can honestly only remember 1 wall kick i did in bathory and the 10 minutes i spent after like what tf just happened? And the 30 minutes i spent failing at trying to re-create it.

~Darminian

"But I don't see a reason why Rarebit can't toy with the more reasonable animations to add some more diversity."

Because he doesn't feel like it ok?!!? - God he's got a busy bloody schedule without bending over backwards to the whin of every player, you people just take and take and take!

"But I don't see a reason why Rarebit can't toy with the more reasonable animations to add some more diversity."

Because he doesn't feel like it ok?!!? - God he's got a busy bloody schedule without bending over backwards to the whin of every player, you people just take and take and take!

Relax dude! Dont think anyone is saying we dont get enough already! But there is no harm in making suggestions is there!
And dont talk like you have any idea why he or the other devs do what they do and not what we sometimes ask..who are you huh? Their personal assistant?

Anyways

I have some idea of why it was taken out now..cheers Pylat!

I wouldn't mind if they put them back in and just took away the disarm penalty, because that made pistols useless in IL because the first normal attack anyoone else did disarmed them.

What was that arm bar in the first one, another disarm move or a finisher?... o wait looks like arieal takedown.

Yeah that would be nice!
I wonder if there are more "forgotten" moves??

 N yeah.. Sure looks like arieal takedown mate!

Darminian wrote:

"But I don't see a reason why Rarebit can't toy with the more reasonable animations to add some more diversity."

Because he doesn't feel like it ok?!!? - God he's got a busy bloody schedule without bending over backwards to the whin of every player, you people just take and take and take!

The Development Roundtable forum is where players can ask questions about ongoing development and post their own ideas for the game.

/forehead.

~Darminian

Vinia wrote:

The Development Roundtable forum is where players can ask questions about ongoing development and post their own ideas for the game.

Yes but whoever said the line Darminian quoted wasn't asking a question about online development or posting his own idea for the game, it was just a blunt statement which suggests that Rarebit sits on his arse all day. Intentionally or unintentionally it doesn't matter. I think we can all agree that the devs have given as much as they've got and although it would be nice to have some things we want it's sometimes just not feasible.

and post their own ideas for the game.

Pylat didn't once say that any of the Dev's sit on their arses. He put an idea forward that if they decide to look at additional moves, like the Shadow moves then there shouldn't be a reason why they can't have a look at some of the more popular old moves and see if they can adjust them to fit into the requiredments for CR2.

He was providing feedback on what some players would like to see, there was no demanding them to be included at all. We are perfectly aware of the work the dev's are doing, but just because they are churning out new content, does that mean we should stop discussing what we'd like to see and the possibility of their inclusion and what would need to be done? Perhaps Darminian should try to gain the context of the conversation before flaming someone.

It was sarcasm.

and post their own ideas for the game.

Pylat didn't once say that any of the Dev's sit on their arses. He put an idea forward that if they decide to look at additional moves, like the Shadow moves then there shouldn't be a reason why they can't have a look at some of the more popular old moves and see if they can adjust them to fit into the requiredments for CR2.

He was providing feedback on what some players would like to see, there was no demanding them to be included at all. We are perfectly aware of the work the dev's are doing, but just because they are churning out new content, does that mean we should stop discussing what we'd like to see and the possibility of their inclusion and what would need to be done? Perhaps Darminian should try to gain the context of the conversation before flaming someone.

Look I'm not going to get into an arguement over a phrasing which just happened to suggest that Rarebit sits on his arse all day, I'll admit it's probably an accident but the way it's phrased just gives that impression. Thats all I have to say.

But I don't see a reason why Rarebit can't toy with the more reasonable animations to add some more diversity.

Perhaps the focus should return to the idea of lost moves or even moves that would be cool to see in the game, or a discussion of a means to allow players to edit and submit moves - that's a concept semi-foreign but still interesting to me, a world where players can submit and theoretically add their own content - i don't mean all willy nilly so we have giant dancing bannas and ants with top hats, but like everyone can submit textures or animations and if they are liked they can get added, i mean if we do the busy work behind the new 'old' stuff, they could just copy the code.

~Darminian