[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

#36300490944 08/22/2008 23:29:39 [11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

EPN are bad enough, dearies, but this "Libertas Verus" crew and their captain, Uticensis, really tried to take the cake. I suppose they decided they just weren't annoying enough as plain old EPN, so they took off on their own, got their hands on some code bombs, and, well, you know how these things end. Fortunately, we were quick enough to defuse some of them, but dear, dear, dear...

~V~e~i~l~

#36300490946 08/22/2008 23:32:59 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Absolutley awesome event. Requires a bit more well-timed coordinated effort than most, though, and I don't think Syntax was organized at all. I hope we'll all be ready next time.

And oh ho ho, playing around with the fire virus was fun.

#36300490948 08/22/2008 23:38:27 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

I dont think it was right that only the Liaisons got the papers to defuse the bombs. I thought I was gona get the last hit in on Uticensis but his own flame virus killed him

. all n all it was a fun event.

#36300490959 08/23/2008 00:52:27 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Yes, the only bad part of the event was the suicide thus no chance for a reward.

Other than that, this event was awsome.

#36300490962 08/23/2008 01:25:13 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Libertas Verus ftw.

#36300490965 08/23/2008 02:05:11 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

So far, I've seen no reason not to support them.

#36300490973 08/23/2008 04:36:09 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

One reason would most likely be exile from whatever group you are currently with. Noone wants to be associates with codebombs, not even the EPN and and especially not zion. And truly, if you strongly support them, i dont see your faction tag changing to Libertas Veritas..

#36300490989 08/23/2008 07:00:32 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

I want to see Libertas Verus burn as much as the next man, but oh! The sweet irony of Cypherites calling them monsters.

#36300490994 08/23/2008 07:42:24 Re:Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Neoteny wrote:

So far, I've seen no reason not to support them.

No, you've already stated that you condone the senseless killing of bluepills. You are deluding yourself if you think that bluepill deaths and a threat to the simulation is going to make the Machine back down, indeed it'll only make the Machines and our resolve stronger. Or do you truly believe, as these fanatics do, that the Machines will perish if the simulation is brought down?

Libertas Verus were trying to send a message to the Machines, it looks like Machinist, Cyph, Zion, EPN and Merv sent back a message of their own. While we all have our viewpoints we will not stand for those who will kill innocent lives, Human and program alike, especially on a futile crusade.

#36300491001 08/23/2008 08:31:57 Re:Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Procurator wrote:

Rabble rabble Cypherites wobs your Uncle

Indeed, operative.

#36300491018 08/23/2008 09:47:12 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

#36300491024 08/23/2008 10:01:10 Re:Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Procurator wrote:

I want to see Libertas Verus burn as much as the next man, but oh! The sweet irony of Cypherites calling them monsters.

Your single-mindedness is ... frightening. Not to mention ignorant.

#36300491027 08/23/2008 10:08:37 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

An appreciation of irony makes me ignorant? I-... what?

#36300491075 08/23/2008 14:13:38 Re:Re:Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Vinia wrote:

Neoteny wrote:
So far, I've seen no reason not to support them.
No, you've already stated that you condone the senseless killing of bluepills. You are deluding yourself if you think that bluepill deaths and a threat to the simulation is going to make the Machine back down, indeed it'll only make the Machines and our resolve stronger. Or do you truly believe, as these fanatics do, that the Machines will perish if the simulation is brought down?

Libertas Verus were trying to send a message to the Machines, it looks like Machinist, Cyph, Zion, EPN and Merv sent back a message of their own. While we all have our viewpoints we will not stand for those who will kill innocent lives, Human and program alike, especially on a futile crusade.

It's the intent, not the use. And what should be recognized here is that bluepills are casualties - indirect hits. Anyone using code bombs should aim to minimize the casualties while causing significant damage to the System. However, it is accepted that a few will take a hit, and it's a necessary sacrifice. The intent is not to find and kill bluepills, like, say, a few Machinists who "broke up" a riot.

There's only one way to really tell if they'll take the simulation down. If nothing else, I do hold the hope that the Machines would yield to the simple terms of a once-respected Truce before they let it reach the point where a damaged System would kill bluepills. But that's well within their power, and you can't go blaming me if they don't want it to stop. But there's no need rehashing what's already been said elsewhere.

No one likes a code bomber. That's what makes it work. You just have to stay alive long enough to see your plan through.

As for my personal affiliations, since when has it been required to join a group to carry out a plan? I have my own means and my own methods, and I need not submit to someone as loudmouthed as their leader. Plans generally work out more often when you don't announce them to the whole world.

#36300491076 08/23/2008 14:18:15 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Guess you havent been to one of their meetings where they said they're gona sacrifice every bluepill to kill the machines.

#36300491077 08/23/2008 14:21:18 Re:Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Kybutra wrote:

Guess you havent been to one of their meetings where they said they're gona sacrifice every bluepill to kill the machines.

Me attending their meetings is kind of an impossibility. Wrong instance.

So no, I didn't know that. I don't know why they'd need to use code bombs, then. They may as well just go door to door with a pistol and shoot everyone.

#36300491105 08/23/2008 15:45:22 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

I like this story and event.

#36300491108 08/23/2008 16:00:15 Re:Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

Mindsweep wrote:

I like this story and event.

#36300491191 08/23/2008 22:09:57 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

I wish I could have been there, my condolences to all of the bluepills familys.

#36300491200 08/23/2008 22:18:59 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

A memorial service was held for them and the lives of other bluepills lost in this troubling time.

#36300491295 08/24/2008 10:42:16 Re:[11.1.3] "To talk of aught but chains or conquest" - Syntax - 8/21/08

For those interested, this was posted in the Syntax Next Renaissance

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300024774

I would guess that there were similar meetings on the other Instances.

I've said my piece in the post above. I hope that any Zion Operatives who helped these fools were merely unaware of their intentions.

Those of you who support this rubbish should never have been given a pill in the first place.