what iz the matrix?

110 posts · 2008-07-07 23:51:34 to 2008-07-13 19:29:48

#36300475789 07/07/2008 23:51:34 what iz the matrix?

what iz the matrix?

it haz been said that it is a system built to keep us under control in order to turn a human being in2 a battery.

at the end of the matrix trilogy; we find a very different matrix... version 6 had crashed and version 7 was booted up.

mxo iz version 7. it iz a matrix where human beings can leave if they choose to and we find 3 orgz fighting for power and control.

after 3 years, this version iz still running and a couple of heroes have been exterminated in the course of that time period. a lot of programz have come to power and eventually defeated. for a while, the truce waz broken and war waz imminent but even that waz shortlived and gave way to something, something elusive, and quiet and dare i say meleoncholy.

could this be the quiet before the storm?

will the machines decide to eventually stop all humans from jacking into the matrix?

will we see the anomaly we called neo return?

or will we humanz cease to care about entering into the simulation altogether

it is up to us!

#36300475790 07/07/2008 23:53:12 Re:what iz the matrix?
...Thank you, for that beaming light of wisdom and insight.
#36300475797 07/08/2008 00:03:53 Re:what iz the matrix?
Im curious as to what exactly inspired this revelation, could it be related to your repeated yet inconsistent spelling of the word "iz?"  Or the inexplicably small and hard to read font?
#36300475807 07/08/2008 01:17:26 what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:
at the end of the matrix trilogy; we find a very different matrix... version 6 had crashed and version 7 was booted up.

Actually, isn't it still version 6? My understanding was because of Neo's difference in decision from the rest of the anomolies, the Matrix wasn't rebooted.
#36300475811 07/08/2008 01:26:58 what iz the matrix?
monkeymanx8 wrote:
nexus2revolution wrote:
at the end of the matrix trilogy; we find a very different matrix... version 6 had crashed and version 7 was booted up.

Actually, isn't it still version 6? My understanding was because of Neo's difference in decision from the rest of the anomolies, the Matrix wasn't rebooted.
It wasn't. This is still version 6. That's why we haven't seen a new One. Because the anomaly was "deleted".
TSR Eryk N.: The game is done. The service and support stopped.
#36300475813 07/08/2008 01:33:42 Re:what iz the matrix?
Teh maytrickz is an ellushion
#36300475815 07/08/2008 01:40:21 what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

what iz the matrix?

it has been said that it is a system built to keep us under control in order to turn a human being in2 a battery.

at the end of the matrix trilogy; we find a very different matrix... version 6 had crashed and version 7 was booted up.

mxo iz version 7. it is a matrix where human beings can leave if they choose to and we find 3 orgs fighing for power and control.

after 3 years, this version is still running and a couple of heroes have been exterminated in the course of that time period. a lot of programs have come to power and eventually defeated. for a while, the truce was broken and war was imminent but even that was shortlived and gave way to something, something elusive, and quiet and dare i say boring.

could this be the quiet before the storm?

will the machines decide to eventually stop all humans from jacking into the matrix?

will we see the anomaly we called neo return?

or will we humans cease to care about entering into the simulation altogether

it is up to Rarebit and LESIG!

Well, that about sumz it up, really.
#36300475823 07/08/2008 02:40:35 Re:what iz the matrix?
this rp sux. invite me bak kk?
#36300475831 07/08/2008 03:35:19 Re:what iz the matrix?
Informative thread, would read again.
#36300475884 07/08/2008 07:02:12 Re:what iz the matrix?

actually this is version 7.

look at ur patch notes when u log in2 the game

launch version: v7.5647

so one can ultimatley say that this is version7.5 : )

it is my view point that

the matrix in the trilogy was version 6 because the architect announced to neo that this will be the 6th time they have destroyed zion.

at the end of the trilogy, u saw something happening, when things were changing after the neo/smith fight.

the matrix has always had a green tint but when that change happened, the green tint was gone.

it was a new matrix, version 7.

and on the seventh day god ended his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

genesis 2:2

#36300475894 07/08/2008 08:12:30 Re:what iz the matrix?
Unlimits brought the green tint back.
#36300475901 07/08/2008 09:00:39 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

actually this is version 7.

look at ur patch notes when u log in2 the game

launch version: v7.5647

Yes because the Launching Platform for an Online Game that just so happens to be derived from a popular Movie Series IS REALLY INFLUENCED BY MARTIX LORE.

/facepalm
#36300475902 07/08/2008 09:01:14 Re:what iz the matrix?
Ghost wrote:


The Matrix needs a reset.

That's what the One was supposed to do--part of the intended cycle--but Neo gave them the finger.

Now we have to live with the consequences: instability, code artifacts, systemic errors, random anomalies, old data that should have been purged; and I have a feeling that it's just going to get worse.

Indicates that while the simulation was fixed after the Neo/Smith incident, it wasn't rebooted/reset, it carried on. Neo was supposed to aid in the resetting of the cycle but he didn't, he chose another path.

Thus due to the hotfix, it is at best version 6.5.

Also I agree with Comserv, but if you want to use the game's launcher as an argument then how about this, the launcher is part of a hacking program used to jack into the Matrix so it is version 7.5 of the jack-in program, which doesn't mean that the simulation itself has to be the same iteration.


#36300475908 07/08/2008 09:16:14 Re:what iz the matrix?
is this before or after i sword out my katana at great attack?
*edited by admin*
#36300475922 07/08/2008 09:49:19 Re:what iz the matrix?

those of u who still believe that this is still version 6

i would like to indicate the following exhibits as evidence.

the matix in the film was completely taken over by smith, every man, woman and child was smith, programs and blue pills alike. i think it is underestimated just how catastorphic this was to the simulation.

the oracle even mentioned that smith would not stop there, so neo manned up and did what he had to do

now how exactly do u erase what happened to those poor blue pills without rebooting the sim? they are scarred for life! lol even if u do a rollback of windows, ur puter has to reboot.

thats how programs work. u get a serious enough virus in ur system, ur sytems crashes, u cannot bring the system back without a reboot.

to indicate further that a different version was booted up is that there is no more green tint

other evidence includes

the patch notes

when this game went live, it has always been v7.****

and yes, i believe it is like that for a reason

matrix version 6 was the movies

matrix version 7 is the one that u can play

makes sense to me, in a most poetic matrix style; doesnt it?

a lot of things are poetic in the matrix, a lot of things are interpreted differently

like how in the first movie, the film begins and ends in the same room

its mind boggling but cool as a piece of ice.

we all are going to interpret the movies differently, i cant dismiss the changes i saw at the end of the third film as just eye candy, it meant something very profound was happening. it was a reboot! how can u say it wasnt, in the films, every single frame has meaning so why even show the change if it wasnt intended to make people believe that the simulation was rebooting since nothing like those effect were ever shown in the previous films before it.

mmmm

#36300475927 07/08/2008 10:00:08 Re:what iz the matrix?
Because the Machines run the Simulation on a Microsoft Windows architecture? I didn't see the simulation crash, a crash would have killed all of the bluepills connected to it. The simulation was taken over but was cleaned. Or are you saying that after a virus has affected your computer, let alone a system created which isn't financed by Bill Gates (as far as we know), your computer has to reboot? My virus scan cleans the effected files and hardly ever asks for a reboot. The final scene showed the simulation returning to normal so the audience can see that Neo succeeded. How do you know what a simulation reboot looks like?

You evidence is based on your own interpretations, ignoring evidence such as Ghosts explanation for the Bathery Row spawns. The jack in program may be at version 7, that doesn't mean that the simulation is.
#36300475929 07/08/2008 10:03:38 Re:what iz the matrix?
what is the matrix?

is the question that once drove us.

it is the world that was pulled over our eyes to blind us from the truth
that we were slaves born into a prison, for our minds.



#36300475933 07/08/2008 10:10:42 Re:what iz the matrix?
What is Matrix, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more....

*flee*
#36300475937 07/08/2008 10:16:58 Re:what iz the matrix?

the simulation crashed when smith took over every one....

imagine a virus that effects ur computer, turrns ur antivirus off and begins to rewrite every single program on ur hard drive so completely that u cant use anything anymore, pics, songs, every file in every folder.

now imagine that this virus has ai and when it is rewriting, its not just scambling things up, it is turning each file into itself.

ur screenshots become the virus

almost like a biological virus isnt it?

mmmm

now if this happened to a system, how exactly can this system clean things up when the virus has taken control of everything

the oracle, sati, seraph were programs, i did not see blue pills waking up as they did, im still trying to figure out how it was that the oracle and sati were able to wake up but not neo. all 3 suffered same fate. they were programs i suppose, neo was human. come to think of it, i dont see any humans waking up as the oracle did.

they were all destroyed?

mmmm

i dont know, maybe it is a slow process to upload the humans back into the sim

#36300475944 07/08/2008 10:23:29 Re:what iz the matrix?
MetaLogic wrote:
What is Matrix, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more....

*flee*
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9L3uE3xK...feature=related

Actually, the blues still have recollections of what happened when Smith took over. It wasn't completely erased. Read the very first Sentinel from live. I think that's the one anyways.
#36300475952 07/08/2008 10:37:35 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

those of u who still believe that this is still version 6

i would like to indicate the following exhibits as evidence.

the matix in the film was completely taken over by smith, every man, woman and child was smith, programs and blue pills alike. i think it is underestimated just how catastorphic this was to the simulation. 2 things, firstly it's been said before that bluepills have recollections of certain events during the time they were taken over suggesting that their memory wasn't wiped. Secondly, you have no way of knowing how catastrophic that event was.

the oracle even mentioned that smith would not stop there, so neo manned up and did what he had to do

now how exactly do u erase what happened to those poor blue pills without rebooting the sim? they are scarred for life! lol even if u do a rollback of windows, ur puter has to reboot.

Again as it's been explained some people do have recollections. Secondly I don't think that any system Microsoft bring into existence even compares with the Matrix. To accomplish a simulation of that proportions in modern day society is literally impossible.

thats how programs work. u get a serious enough virus in ur system, ur sytems crashes, u cannot bring the system back without a reboot.

If the system crashes, every bluepill connected to it dies. End of Human race = End of Machine race therefore its safe to assume that the Matrix has some pretty clever safety subroutines to prevent that.

to indicate further that a different version was booted up is that there is no more green tint

The Architect went into options -> Advanced and deselected Green tint option box was all

other evidence includes

the patch notes

when this game went live, it has always been v7.****

and yes, i believe it is like that for a reason

matrix version 6 was the movies

matrix version 7 is the one that u can play

makes sense to me, in a most poetic matrix style; doesnt it?

not really? It's a bleeding game launcher for gods sake.

a lot of things are poetic in the matrix, a lot of things are interpreted differently

like how in the first movie, the film begins and ends in the same room

its mind boggling but cool as a piece of ice.

we all are going to interpret the movies differently, i cant dismiss the changes i saw at the end of the third film as just eye candy, it meant something very profound was happening. it was a reboot! how can u say it wasnt, in the films, every single frame has meaning so why even show the change if it wasnt intended to make people believe that the simulation was rebooting since nothing like those effect were ever shown in the previous films before it.

mmmm

 Since when in the matrix films did it ever show a reboot? and Profound? I'm sorry, in the first film when Neo stopped the bullets, that was profound. When Neo exited the source and saved Trinity against all odds, that was profound. A little bit of green tint, a cat repeating itself (which for the record happened in the first film when they "ALTERED" something) and Sati waking up doesn't suggest to me anything remotely profound.

Hmmmm!?!?!


#36300475965 07/08/2008 11:10:40 Re:what iz the matrix?

the last shot of matrix revolution was completely different than it was 6 minutes earlier and also different than than the one in the previous film.

that impression never entered into ur mind when u was watching it?

the last shot of the last film was in fact a very realistic shot of mxo!

mxo is not the same version as the films.

there are a lot of differences but before i share some with u, according to what the architect says, there were five versions prior. it gets real complicated now. its all about the choice that neo makes to pik 23 individuals to rebuild zion. (representive of the 23 genes in human dna)

examples that prove that mxo is not the same matrix that we see in reloaded

those who want to leave can

there are hardlines everywhere

no cops

the patch notes is undeniable proof and cannot be dismissed

but im not trying to argue, i just would like to have a discussion about mxo, i am really enjoying this and it makes me feel good to know that this post has become a wonderful discussion.

what happens now?

obviously they will be freed

i have ur word?

what do u think i am....human?

#36300475966 07/08/2008 11:15:58 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

what happens now?


Just wait and see.
#36300475968 07/08/2008 11:21:39 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

the last shot of matrix revolution was completely different than it was 6 minutes earlier and also different than than the one in the previous film.

that impression never entered into ur mind when u was watching it?

the last shot of the last film was in fact a very realistic shot of mxo?

mxo is not the same version as the films.

there are a lot of differences but before i share some with u, according to what the architect says, there were five versions prior. it gets real complicated now. its all about the choice that neo makes to pik 23 individuals to rebuild zion. (representive of the 23 genes in human dna)

examples that prove that mxo is not the same matrix that we see in reloaded

those who want to leave can

This is because of the truce between the Humans and the Machines forged by Neo. Not as a result of a new Matrix. Only 0.1% of bluepills can awaken still it's just that Agents attempted to prevent us from awakening them.

there are hardlines everywhere

It's a function of the game, It is not exactly RP related.

no cops

Fist of all, Tactical security. Second, why does this have any relevance to the discussion.

the patch notes is undeniable proof and cannot be dismissed

Explanation? A statement is hardly likely to sway me.

but im not trying to argue, i just would like to have a discussion about mxo, i am really enjoying this and it makes me feel good to know that this post has become a wonderful discussion.

what happens now?

obviously they will be freed

i have ur word?

what do u think i am....human?

If you're going to quote something from a movie, it's good to put it in " " and actually write it out properly.
#36300475984 07/08/2008 12:03:25 Re:what iz the matrix?
Taken from the Neo / Architect transcript:

"The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version."


Now, does that include the Heaven & Hell versions of the Matrix?  It looks like it doesn't, since there was no "one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next (a.k.a The One)".  And that brings us to the question that since Neo never went to the Source and inserted his code into the prime program, did the Matrix itself get restarted?  If so, then we're in the 9th Matrix (Heaven + Hell + 6 Matricies + MxO), if not we're in the 8th still.  It could be argued that Neo just restabilized the 8th matrix and never really rebooted it.  I think that is the case since we still have Neo's RSI and the Smith Virus.



#36300476080 07/08/2008 16:58:37 Re:what iz the matrix?

If this is version seven then the matrix rebooted in the 3rd movie, of course if it rebooted in the third movie and your counting every reboot then you would have to count beta as the seventh version an since beta had a reboot that would tecnically make this version 8.

 Though if you are saying that this is currently version 6 then the matrix did not reboot it just made a scan of an abnormalities and deleted them, restoring balance to the system.

of course if this IS version seven then there was a reboot but we're negating the fact that beta even happened. Yet since the anomally program wasn't reset that means it still lies in the carriers body and explains why smith returns over and over.

 Then again if you wanted to get REALLY technical this is like the 30 or 40ish version or the matrix due to all the server resets we've done everytime there was too much lag/in-game issues/updates/patches ect.

It's even possible that ppl don't care about such insignificant little things and would like to look at the broader picture like Character development instead of - Is the one coming back?, Which version is this?, Why doesn't MxO look like the matrix films, Why does SOE suck at life, will there be pudding? What happened to Y2K, Why is Bush still in office?

#36300476092 07/08/2008 17:33:21 Re:what iz the matrix?
Alright, I had to reply as this would even make Neo /facepalm .

Not sure how long you've been playing, but go to the Zion, Merovingian and Machine archives brokers and buy all the missions for epoisode 1.1 - 1.3.  This will give you insight on the beginning of MXO and the end of Revolutions.

As other have stated, the smith virus is still around inside various blues.  Your character as well.  Also this gives credence to the recent rise in gang activity (explaining the mob NPCs and a more hostile matrix).  Also look up info on the very FIRST live event called Race to find The One.  The idea behind this was to collect Neo's essence that was still in the Matrix in the form of code fragments.  There were recent events where Smith had somehow returned in some form or another as well.

One more piece of evidence the Architect even said in a Live Event that the prime program was NOT reinserted to reboot the matrix.
#36300476093 07/08/2008 17:35:03 Re:what iz the matrix?
The launcher means nothing. For one thing, why would the hovercraft operating system's version number correspond to that of the Matrix? Secondly, until Neo had a chat with the Architect, no one in Zion knew there were previous versions of the Matrix - where would they have known to start their version numbers at 6?

To reset the Matrix (properly, with a new version number an' all), the One must enter the Source. Neo didn't do that, so the Matrix never got a chance to be fully reset. As a result of this we've seen stability issues ever since the Smith incident, the recurring Smiths being a prime example.

And the Smith virus never got so far into the System that the Machines weren't able to run their virus scan, if we're continuing with that analogy. He threatened the invade the Machine world, but didn't actually get there. So there was always an outside observer (the Architect maybe, or Deus Ex Machina or whoever) that wasn't infected and could perform the clean-up we saw at the end of Revolutions.
#36300476096 07/08/2008 17:56:12 Re:what iz the matrix?

By that logic OP then we were all in v.5 when the game went live. OMG PLOT HOLE!

*waits for merpheus to us his great katana attack*

#36300476200 07/09/2008 05:29:33 Re:what iz the matrix?

the launcher means nothing....

the launcher is not re written software written by hackers inside zion. it is written by soe. soe is responsible for any new patches to the software, soe.

if the patch notes were version v.3.**** or v.18.**** or v.120.**** i would think u are absolutely right.

i dont believe in conincidences.

something to think about.

something very different was happening. we are talking about insertion of the anomaly back into the source will reboot the matrix. mmmm, something is weird about that because isnt smith neo's opposite? is he not the anamoly too? the ying to his yang sort of speaking.

did the architect know about smith?

or was smith a very new disaster that was occuring for the first time?

i dont know, i think that it is possible that smith is just as much the one as neo was. its all balanced, ummm i havent heard compelling evidences from anyone  saying that this is still version 6, it is still same matrix . i am more inclined to believe what i saw

i saw neo go to machine city, i saw neo talk to the machine with the baby face : ) and i saw a machine jack go into the back of neo's head.

because of this, neo is connected to the matrix via a hardline, a machine city hardline. ummm can anyone say the word SOURCE! while coughing.

: P

i think that because the operator is a machine, if the jack doesnt come out, who will take it out? u going to be inside the matrix for a lonnnng time

oh i remember what the architect said.

how do we know neo didnt go back to source after the neo/smith fight?

umm hehehehe this whole coversation has been awesome, u guys are very convincing, ummm btw, what the heck is marias saying with all the 1's and 0's? i think it is a trick so im not going to decode anything.

#36300476201 07/09/2008 05:39:49 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

something very different was happening. we are talking about insertion of the anomaly back into the source will reboot the matrix. mmmm, something is weird about that because isnt smith neo's opposite? is he not the anamoly too? the ying to his yang sort of speaking.

No, he isn't, not in a technical sense. That's just the philosophical nonsense the Oracle was spouting.

nexus2revolution wrote:

or was smith a very new disaster that was occuring for the first time?

Yes, he was new. Smith didn't run rampant in the previous five iterations. His threat was new, and is the reason everything went pear-shaped this time round and Neo got his chance to negotiate a Truce.

nexus2revolution wrote:

how do we know neo didnt go back to source after the neo/smith fight?

Because the Architect said so.
#36300476296 07/09/2008 12:04:10 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

the launcher means nothing....

the launcher is not re written software written by hackers inside zion. it is written by soe. soe is responsible for any new patches to the software, soe.

if the patch notes were version v.3.**** or v.18.**** or v.120.**** i would think u are absolutely right.

i dont believe in conincidences.

something to think about.

something very different was happening. we are talking about insertion of the anomaly back into the source will reboot the matrix. mmmm, something is weird about that because isnt smith neo's opposite? is he not the anamoly too? the ying to his yang sort of speaking.

did the architect know about smith?

or was smith a very new disaster that was occuring for the first time?

i dont know, i think that it is possible that smith is just as much the one as neo was. its all balanced, ummm i havent heard compelling evidences from anyone  saying that this is still version 6, it is still same matrix . i am more inclined to believe what i saw

i saw neo go to machine city, i saw neo talk to the machine with the baby face : ) and i saw a machine jack go into the back of neo's head.

because of this, neo is connected to the matrix via a hardline, a machine city hardline. ummm can anyone say the word SOURCE! while coughing.

: P

i think that because the operator is a machine, if the jack doesnt come out, who will take it out? u going to be inside the matrix for a lonnnng time

oh i remember what the architect said.

how do we know neo didnt go back to source after the neo/smith fight?

umm hehehehe this whole coversation has been awesome, u guys are very convincing, ummm btw, what the heck is marias saying with all the 1's and 0's? i think it is a trick so im not going to decode anything.

WUT
#36300476554 07/09/2008 21:50:36 Re:what iz the matrix?
Wait, we're taking this thread seriously?
#36300476562 07/09/2008 22:44:59 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

the launcher means nothing....

the launcher is not re written software written by hackers inside zion. it is written by soe. soe is responsible for any new patches to the software, soe.

if the patch notes were version v.3.**** or v.18.**** or v.120.**** i would think u are absolutely right.

i dont believe in conincidences.

something to think about.

something very different was happening. we are talking about insertion of the anomaly back into the source will reboot the matrix. mmmm, something is weird about that because isnt smith neo's opposite? is he not the anamoly too? the ying to his yang sort of speaking.

did the architect know about smith?

or was smith a very new disaster that was occuring for the first time?

i dont know, i think that it is possible that smith is just as much the one as neo was. its all balanced, ummm i havent heard compelling evidences from anyone  saying that this is still version 6, it is still same matrix . i am more inclined to believe what i saw

i saw neo go to machine city, i saw neo talk to the machine with the baby face : ) and i saw a machine jack go into the back of neo's head.

because of this, neo is connected to the matrix via a hardline, a machine city hardline. ummm can anyone say the word SOURCE! while coughing.

: P

i think that because the operator is a machine, if the jack doesnt come out, who will take it out? u going to be inside the matrix for a lonnnng time

oh i remember what the architect said.

how do we know neo didnt go back to source after the neo/smith fight?

umm hehehehe this whole coversation has been awesome, u guys are very convincing, ummm btw, what the heck is marias saying with all the 1's and 0's? i think it is a trick so im not going to decode anything.

ಠ_ಠ
#36300476565 07/09/2008 23:01:12 Re:what iz the matrix?
Cadsuane wrote:
Wait, we're taking this thread seriously?
Not really, gave it the benefit of the doubt after the first post then it began to lose any credibility it may have had.
#36300476572 07/09/2008 23:18:47 Re:what iz the matrix?

who decided it was time?

you know who?

i did... well i think it is time i knew more

me too!

#36300476573 07/09/2008 23:20:30 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

who decided it was time?

you know who?

i did... well i think it is time i knew more

me too!

And I repeat.....WUT
#36300476580 07/09/2008 23:35:17 Re:what iz the matrix?

the oracle mentioned something in the continuing dialogue that iz really next level!

when neo was asking her questions regarding how he seperated his mind from his body, and just what exactly was happening to him.

she went on about the source...

she said thats what he felt when he touched those sentinals

he wasnt ready for that

he should be dead

but he wasnt ready for that either

mmmm

leads me to believe that he touched the source!

mmmm

what is the matrix?

what is the source?

mmmm

it is time to meditate : P

#36300476618 07/10/2008 03:39:41 Re:what iz the matrix?
What the *CENSORED* are you on about
#36300476630 07/10/2008 04:29:17 what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

what iz the matrix?

it haz been said that it is a system built to keep us under control in order to turn a human being in2 a battery.

at the end of the matrix trilogy; we find a very different matrix... version 6 had crashed and version 7 was booted up.

mxo iz version 7. it iz a matrix where human beings can leave if they choose to and we find 3 orgz fighting for power and control.

after 3 years, this version iz still running and a couple of heroes have been exterminated in the course of that time period. a lot of programz have come to power and eventually defeated. for a while, the truce waz broken and war waz imminent but even that waz shortlived and gave way to something, something elusive, and quiet and dare i say meleoncholy.

could this be the quiet before the storm?

will the machines decide to eventually stop all humans from jacking into the matrix?

will we see the anomaly we called neo return?

or will we humanz cease to care about entering into the simulation altogether

it is up to us!

Yeah.... about that.... This is still version 6 of the Matrix, because Neo was deleted. The system was never rebooted, only patched. This is how the Matrix was fixed from the damage Smith did. The only reason it says version 7.* on your loader, is because the pirate broadcast system is in patch 7, not the Matrix. This RP is misinformed. kthxbai.
#36300476640 07/10/2008 05:22:32 Re:what iz the matrix?
Good to see so many people are on the same page here.  Even if this thread ranks high on the fail scale, I see a positive outcome.
#36300476667 07/10/2008 06:56:14 Re:what iz the matrix?
Tenshi wrote:
WUT

Once Nexus comes down from his Acid Trip (Cause I refuse to believe a human still capable of Cognitive Function could write that) he's going to saying that too.
#36300476683 07/10/2008 07:46:49 Re:what iz the matrix?

as many people say that i am wrong and misinformed, there are problems and holes in what u are saying.

the architect said in describing versions of the matrix; that he prefers to count the emergence of one intregal anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

unless u have dialogue from the brothers to back ur statement up, im going to have to take the stance that u and other people that agree with you are wrong on this account that mxo is still the sixth version and need to stop selling this untruth az fact.

let us first define what a version of the matrix is. a version of a simulation is any improvement of the simulation hence why everytime we get a patch, it will read differently v7.156 to v7.247. for example.

the argument i see that is oft repeated is that i cannot use the patch notes as verification because that is only a hovercraft operating system. that is pretty good imagination but im not role playing here at all. we are not on a hovercraft and i dont have a system for hacking into the matrix. i wish i did, i would hack it, bring the original gi back but thats besides the point. : P

back to topic, neo has already emerged in version 6

this is not the same version because everything has changed, this mxo is one that we can play, it is not same version as the one we saw in the movies. u need to stop selling that untruth as truth. i ask that next time u jack into mxo and look around. if this is still version 6, why on earth is everyone looking for neo to come back?

the oracle mentioned that we might see him again, i believe her.

look at ur patch notes next time u log on.... it says v7.****, it has always been v7. the brothers wanted it that way! that is why it is that way!

this isnt role playing- the patch notes are not on ur hovercraft operating system- u get those notes directly form the source; i mean soe!

the thing that happened at the end of neo/smith fight was a reboot.  the last shot was mxo.

the reason that u still see smith virus and neo agents is because like the oracle said, smith wouldnt stop with the simulation and he didnt obviously, he obviously got out and went beyond the simulation. bits of him are everywhere. example of what im talking about and this cannot be downplayed.

smith actually got out of the matrix, remember, and overwrote a human being in the real. lets no underestimate how mind boggling this is.

oracle refers to it as the smith buisness. the smith buisness was far more complex then we know, it exceeded the boundaries of the matrix more than we realize. i believe it is possible for him to have gotton in machine city even.

the smith virus and the neo agents that we see pop up every now and then in my view point are a running parody in the simulation. they are not systemic anomalies that actually threaten the system. if they were, then we would see them doing just that. the intruders caused more damage to the system than they did. they actually got the attention of the architect.

anyway

like i was saying, anyone can say this is version 6, version 12, version 183. the patch notes say this is version 7. that is proof. other proof is the end of the last film when u see everything change. that is what a reboot look likes. the green tint was gone. it was a new version of the matrix. i am not role playing here and if u are, i hope im not ruining the way u view things in said fashion.

everybody is going to interpret things differently, this is true but we are arguing with the films. one can say anything to back up their belief. discount this, acknowledge that. for example, the end of the matrix meant nothing, it never rebooted, it was just patched. lol the patch was the reboot!

u guys crack me up, u saw the change, u cant deny that it happened, i saw it, u saw it, everyone saw it. if that change didnt happen, i would agree with u that it is same version but it did happen, any change is a reboot at that point since there is no cleaning up the apocalypse.

ummm btw i am finished with this post, umm unless u have documented dialogue from the brothers that what i say is absolutley wrong. unfortunatley that is the genius of the matrix movies, it can be interpreted so many ways but in this way it cant. unless u close ur eyes in the last 2 minutes of the third film. u see it happen, and ur going to tell me im wrong and i didnt see what i saw. the problem here is interpretation.

ofcourse we going to interpret things differently, some people can see the image of jesus in a hotdog. but we all can agree we see a hotdog.

i saw that neo could see without actually having eyes and what he was seeing was in fact the enviroment he was walking thru. i ask the question "how is that even possible?" now this is when interpretations can get side tracked....

is it because he was connected to the source? i say that it is a strong possibility!

he did feel the source when he touched the sentinals, he seperated his mind from his body, all of those are facts!

hell, one can say he became the source!

ofcourse that is interpretation, and there are as many interpretations as there are people on the planet

what is the matrix? what is the source?

the matrix is our reality  the source is the thing that creates!

thats what i believe

#36300476685 07/10/2008 07:54:00 Re:what iz the matrix?
Pylat wrote:
(Cause I refuse to believe a human still capable of Cognitive Function could write that)
I can understand the reasoning for shortening words down (as is the affliction of the text generation), I can even understand most of it. What I can't fathom is why substituting an 's' for a 'z' improves or helps anything. Unless his 's' button refuses to register after pressing the 'i' button and so has to use the 'z' button to convey the word...

mmmm

Oh and possibly touching the source, being a conduit to/from the source is completely different from returning, willingly and completely to the source.

Patch and reboot are two different things, ok?

Confusing game patch notes for Matrix lore FTL...
#36300476686 07/10/2008 07:54:56 Re:what iz the matrix?
If you are going to try, to try to sell us some halfbaked theories, please, for the love of the Source, please at least do it with some form of class... otherwise you look like you were hit repeatedly in the head with a tire iron, and are now attempting to catalogue what you think.

As for the matrix theories themselves.. Many people say the game isn't fully canon, and the launcher inwhich we get regular updates to, is not a reliable source. My associates have laid out their proofs and their evidences but how can they hold up to your invincible arguement of "iz true cauze i seez the numbers!"

I feel like my brain is being stabbed, I think I shall take my leave..
#36300476689 07/10/2008 08:02:54 Re:what iz the matrix?
Tranque101 wrote:
My associates have laid out their proofs and their evidences but how can they hold up to your invincible arguement of "iz true cauze i seez the numbers!"
Agreed, Siren asks for people not to dress up their theories and ideas and present them as fact, yet he does exactly what he asks people not to do. Unfortunately it's a common theme in his threads...
#36300476691 07/10/2008 08:08:24 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

the architect said in describing versions of the matrix; that he prefers to count the emergence of one intregal anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

I think you just shot your preposterous theory in the foot there. If the versions are numbered by the emergence of the integral anomaly (aka the One), then this can't be v7 because there isn't a 7th One yet. Neo was the 6th One, in the 6th Matrix. There is no 7th.

And I like your definition of proof, by the way. Let me see if I can pull it off too:

I am your master. I own you, and I own all the property you thought you possessed.

Do 'u have documented dialogue form the brothers that what i say is absolutley wrong'[sic]? No? Then I must be right! So hand over your baseball cap, slave.

#36300476692 07/10/2008 08:13:56 Re:what iz the matrix?
nexus2revolution wrote:

as many people say that i am wrong and misinformed, there are problems and holes in what u are saying.

the architect said in describing versions of the matrix; that he prefers to count the emergence of one intregal anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

unless u have dialogue from the brothers to back ur statement up, im going to have to take the stance that u and other people that agree with you are wrong on this account that mxo is still the sixth version and need to stop selling this untruth az fact.

let us first define what a version of the matrix is. a version of a simulation is any improvement of the simulation hence why everytime we get a patch, it will read differently v7.156 to v7.247. for example.

the argument i see that is oft repeated is that i cannot use the patch notes as verification because that is only a hovercraft operating system. that is pretty good imagination but im not role playing here at all. we are not on a hovercraft and i dont have a system for hacking into the matrix. i wish i did, i would hack it, bring the original gi back but thats besides the point. : P

back to topic, neo has already emerged in version 6

this is not the same version because everything has changed, this mxo is one that we can play, it is not same version as the one we saw in the movies. u need to stop selling that untruth as truth. i ask that next time u jack into mxo and look around. if this is still version 6, why on earth is everyone looking for neo to come back?

the oracle mentioned that we might see him again, i believe her.

look at ur patch notes next time u log on.... it says v7.****, it has always been v7. the brothers wanted it that way! that is why it is that way!

this isnt role playing- the patch notes are not on ur hovercraft operating system- u get those notes directly form the source; i mean soe!

the thing that happened at the end of neo/smith fight was a reboot.  the last shot was mxo.

the reason that u still see smith virus and neo agents is because like the oracle said, smith wouldnt stop with the simulation and he didnt obviously, he obviously got out and went beyond the simulation. bits of him are everywhere. example of what im talking about and this cannot be downplayed.

smith actually got out of the matrix, remember, and overwrote a human being in the real. lets no underestimate how mind boggling this is.

oracle refers to it as the smith buisness. the smith buisness was far more complex then we know, it exceeded the boundaries of the matrix more than we realize. i believe it is possible for him to have gotton in machine city even.

the smith virus and the neo agents that we see pop up every now and then in my view point are a running parody in the simulation. they are not systemic anomalies that actually threaten the system. if they were, then we would see them doing just that. the intruders caused more damage to the system than they did. they actually got the attention of the architect.

anyway

like i was saying, anyone can say this is version 6, version 12, version 183. the patch notes say this is version 7. that is proof. other proof is the end of the last film when u see everything change. that is what a reboot look likes. the green tint was gone. it was a new version of the matrix. i am not role playing here and if u are, i hope im not ruining the way u view things in said fashion.

everybody is going to interpret things differently, this is true but we are arguing with the films. one can say anything to back up their belief. discount this, acknowledge that. for example, the end of the matrix meant nothing, it never rebooted, it was just patched. lol the patch was the reboot!

u guys crack me up, u saw the change, u cant deny that it happened, i saw it, u saw it, everyone saw it. if that change didnt happen, i would agree with u that it is same version but it did happen, any change is a reboot at that point since there is no cleaning up the apocalypse.

ummm btw i am finished with this post, umm unless u have documented dialogue form the brothers that what i say is absolutley wrong. unfortunatley that is the genius of the matrix movies, it can be interpreted so many ways but in this way it cant. unless u close ur eyes in the last 2 minutes of the third film. u see it happen, and ur going to tell me im wrong and i didnt see what i saw. the problem here is interpretation.

ofcourse we going to interpret things differently, some people can see the image of jesus in a hotdog. but we all can agree we see a hotdog.

i saw that neo could see without actually having eyes and what he was seeing was in fact the enviroment he was walking thru. i ask the question "how is that even possible?" now this is when interpretations can get side tracked....

is it because he was connected to the source? i say that it is a strong possibility!

he did feel the source when he touched the sentinals, he seperated his mind form his body, all of those are facts!

hell, one can say he became the source!

ofcourse that is interpretation, and there are as many interpretations as there are people on the planet

what is the matrix? what is the source?

the matrix is our reality  the source is the thing that creates!

thats what i believe

Someone should tell him we're not in the Matrix either.

First of all, the old original Monolith website for MxO stated that the Real world wasn't in game because we were already "in the real world" and that the game was supposed to mimic jacking into the Matrix from hovercrafts and barges. So yes, we are on a hovercraft. Deal with it.

Second, the launcher clearly states "ZionOS v7.XXXXXXXX" somewhere near the top of the screen. Now, this means "Zion Operating System v7.XXXXXXXXX." That means the origin of the software lies within Zion. The last time I checked, Zion did not build the Matrix, the Machines did.

Can Rarebit please come settle this discussion please for those that are grasping at straws?

#36300476694 07/10/2008 08:17:39 Re:what iz the matrix?

I'd rather Rarebit didn't post here because he'll probably say it is v7 (in the face of all logic), along with the fact that the Matrix is no larger than the Mega City and it's always 1999. Although half of that is the Wachowskis being daft.

SMILEY

#36300476700 07/10/2008 08:30:17 Re:what iz the matrix?
Procurator wrote:

I'd rather Rarebit didn't post here because he'll probably say it is v7 (in the face of all logic), along with the fact that the Matrix is no larger than the Mega City and it's always 1999. Although half of that is the Wachowskis being daft.

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Ignoring the 'No larger than Mega City' deal (always 1999 I can deal with) I'd say that even Rarebit must acquiesce to the fact that the launcher version number does not represent the version of the simulation. The Architect said that Neo didn't return to the source, ergo the measure of iterations made up by him indicates that this must inexorably be a patched version of V6 as the necessity of an emergence of the next anomaly has been removed. Concordantly.