I remember a time when this coat was shiny and, for a time, it was good. People wore them for their RP outfits, people liked the looks of them and, for a time, it was good.
But then disaster struck, for some reason the shine was removed, and was never replaced. Of all the people I have talked to not one of them likes the new shineless coat. If people do like them with less shine please say so, however, it would be appreciated if you actually had some experience in the matter (ie your main is a male RSI).
I just want to see if it's possible to have the coat returned to it's former glory.
How long ago was the shine removed? I haven't heard anyone else complain about it. In fact more people were complaining about the added shine to clothing when Rarebit fixed many items of clothing's specularity. I know there was generally a murmur of people not liking the shine on a particular trench...
The Misene panel trench was a Leather coat if I'm thinking of the right one. Leather coats do not have that much shine in real life, experience from actually having a leather coat myself.
The Misene panel trench was a Leather coat if I'm thinking of the right one. Leather coats do not have that much shine in real life, experience from actually having a leather coat myself.
And on the contrary I have friends with long leather coats that are shiny.
The Misene panel trench was a Leather coat if I'm thinking of the right one. Leather coats do not have that much shine in real life, experience from actually having a leather coat myself.
And on the contrary I have friends with long leather coats that are shiny.
Was it raining? Either that or it wasn't proper leather. I've yet to see a leather coat as shiny in real life as what it was in game before the fix.
Was it raining? Either that or it wasn't proper leather. I've yet to see a leather coat as shiny in real life as what it was in game before the fix.
Must admit, my short, long and flying leather jackets are not very shiny. I've some friend with shiny 'leather' jackets but they are imitation leather.
Seeming the clothing item is labeled "Misene Panel Trench" I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that it is, in fact, imitation leather. Seeming it's not called a leather trench to begin with.
Cause if it was called Leather you could actually argue the shininess of real leather, but it isn't.
Regardless, changing their specularity again would, imo, be a waste of time. Until now there haven't been any complaints about the lack of shine and since the majority of players did complain that many items were too shiny when specularity was fixed, thus several items had their specularity toned down, it's reasonable to assume that changing this would cause far more complaints then not changing it.
You can't please everyone, but as I said the lack of complaints about it until now seems to indicate either it's an issue that most can and have lived with or the majority is happy the way it is. Of course ultimately its down to the Dev's to decide such things.
Seeming the clothing item is labeled "Misene Panel Trench" I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that it is, in fact, imitation leather. Seeming it's not called a leather trench to begin with.
Cause if it was called Leather you could actually argue the shininess of real leather, but it isn't.
Maybe but then if every item in the game was named after the real thing then I guess FM-700's and FM900s and FM1100's would be called Desert Eagles. Personally the whole Secularity before was way too much even for fake leather.
I believe at first they were normal shiny, then when Rarebit tried to up the shiny secularity in some clothing items the database screwed up to where nearly every clothing item looked like it was drenched in oil, and then he finally toned it down, making a lot of things like it used to be, unfortunately the Misene Panel Trench had lost it's original shine and now looks a lot darker. When this first came out, the white trench a lot of people wore looked really dirty for some reason so he cleaned that up, and when I asked if you could fix the Panel Trench he basically said he couldn't go in and fix every different coat in the game just because a few people want their personal attires back the way to when it used to be. So, I guess that's that.
Anyhow, Pylat, a small suggestion that may bring more eyes to this thread is to change the subject of the thread to "Shine texture and Misene Panel Coats" or something like that.
Personally I prefer the other coats, but I'll support this.
I liked the original look of the coats best, and I actually have worn a few of them in my RP clothing almost since I first started in MxO. When they went shiny, along with almost everything else in that patch, the effect was way way way too noticeable on the panel trenches. As said, it looked like they had been dipped in cooking oil. People complained about this and they were changed to their current look which, to my memory at least, does really look darker and dingier than their original appearance. In fact, I actually prefer the shiny look to the "new" one, if I had to choose between the two.
My preference, with 1 being the best: 1.) Original appearance 2.) Shiny appearance 3.) Current appearance
Actually I don't think the Misene Panel Trench was made any shinier when Rarebit fiddled with other items. For some reason he just toned it down when he fixed other clothes that had been made over shiny.
At the time I remember quite a few people debating the new look, myself included.
I remember the Trench used to be common in RP outfits, now the only time you see it is the lvl 50 Brown Ballistic acc one in PvP.
Actually I don't think the Misene Panel Trench was made any shinier when Rarebit fiddled with other items. For some reason he just toned it down when he fixed other clothes that had been made over shiny.
There actually was an old thread within which someone had posted pictures of the change.. I think it may have been Ballak. I'm 100% certain the coat did change in the shiny transition. What I'm not 100% certain of is whether or not the current coat is different than the original appearance. I'm pretty sure it is, but I wouldn't say 100%.
Leather texture does not have a mirror finish. A game developer, texture artist's job in a semi-realism mimicing environment is to recognize how things look in Real Life and how to bring that into the game environment and emulate that as realisticaly as possible. So - that take a little bit of looking at real leather, fassion, and whatever is out there. A quick google and a stroll thru a leather coat store can give a texture artist all the information they need.
Leather's shineyness depends on how it is treated and polished. It is basicly cow or lamb skin, it once came from an animal. And really - no matter how well buffed/polished it is, it still NEVER gets a mirror reflective finish. I don't care how much Rarebit is hypnotized by shiney things - leather is NOT overly shiney.
It's already been established the coat isn't leather, please read the entire thread.
No. YOU! decided it was imitation leather. Just because it isn't called "Leather Jacket" does not mean it's not a leather jacket. As I said in reply to that statement due to the same logic, an FM700 is not a Desert Eagle because it isn't called a Desert Eagle.
Ummm, yeah. That is pretty solid Logic I have their isn't it? If it's not named that specific item, chances are it isn't. The Misene Panel Trench looks like leather, but it isn't called leather so chances are it's Imitation Leather. The FM-700 looks like a Desert Eagle, but isn't called a Desert Eagle so chances are it's an imitation Desert Eagle.
Obviously it is made out of rocks with a distinctly matte finish.
I believe Misene is a location, not a material.
They made up Misene to be a brand name, much like Dread Leather Skirts (Dread is the brand) unless you believe the leather was cured in the emotion itself. Same with Avero and Braela shirts, just brand names they made up to help distinguish all the clothing.
But if you want to leave it as a matte finish could you change the name to have leather in it, thus removing any misunderstanding.
Or he could just leave it how it is. Whether it's leather, imitation leather or something else, we can see it's not a very shiny material as it is right now. As long as the name doesn't have 'shiny' in it, unless it was a brand name, it doesn't really matter. Just because it doesn't have 'leather' in it's title doesn't mean it has to be shiny.
There are many many many many many non shiny and matte coats for males in the game. And no shiny ones for people who want them, doesn't it make sense to cater for both sides?
There are many many many many many non shiny and matte coats for males in the game. And no shiny ones for people who want them, doesn't it make sense to cater for both sides?
Sure. Just not my coat that I have sown to my characters skin Kthnx bai!
Back to reality I think that a lot of people like the laminated coats but then a lot of people like the coat we have now. Personally if they increased the shine a little I wouldn't mind too much but I think if we get the wrapped in cling film effect again then I will not be happy.
Now that I think about it, the Panel Trench was never shiny. Prior to the "Shiny Patch", they were all dull. The only ones I recall having any shine were the collarless versions.
